A clarification from Mujahid-El-Masih

The Jihad can be done in three main ways: when Muslims invade any country they give three choices to the people.

1. Accept Islam.
2. Pay Tax.
3. Death By the Sword."

Some choice.....

And yet if the West said the same thing to, say, Iraqi Muslims (accept Christianity, pay a tax, or die) the whole Islamic world would rage. Injustice is suddenly so obvious when the shoe's on the other foot.

Well now: We don't "accept Islam"...

We pay tax to our useless governments....(but not to the Mullahs)

And we have the weapons to fight back.

First things first: Acknowledge that Muzzies are waging a 'religious' war against us...

Hit them where it hurts, turn the mosques into re-education centres, make it copulsory for them to understand OUR values and LAW- no longer allow them to intimidate us with "sharia-crap".

If that doesn't bring about the necessary change then round 'em up like cattle and transport them back to the desert where they belong.

Afraid of bringin' back the death penalty, summary executions etc..???. Better get real: This one is THEIR knive on your throat, and it is DEADLY serious...

Oh, gee, thanks for clearing that up for me. I feel so much better now.

Accept Islam, and live a life where you'd be better off dead, or wish you were dead. Especially as a woman.

Pay tax - live in fear, made to feel like a 3rd class nobody, work til the day you die to pay this Mafia-style protection tax to the monsters who've taken over your country and are hellbent on turning it into another Islamic cesspit of misery, poverty, starvation and death. Besides, they might suddenly decide you shouldn't live anyway. In other words, you'd live a life where you'd be better off dead, or wish you were dead.

Death by the Sword - well, given the above two options, this is starting to look quite appealing. But then where would they get their "taxes" from? Hence, the place would descend even quicker into another Islamic cesspit of misery, poverty, starvation and death.

So the way I see it, it's death, death or death. Just at varying speeds.

The phrase "pay tax" needs elaboration, for the tax or jizya was not simply to be paid as you would putting your Estimated Tax, paid quarterly, in a little envelope and mailed off to the nearest imam. Not at all. It was an occasion for the humiliation of the dhimmi, who had to appear in person (none of those letters in the post-box), often struck -- quite violently, or spat upon. You can find out more about the payment of the jizyah, for example, in K. S. Lal (quoted today, by Robert, elsewhere at this site), or by reading any of the many articles, such as that by E. Fagnan, on "Jizyah, tribut ou rancon" (a cy-pres version of the title), published in Algiers in 1908. There are many other articles on how dhimmis were to be treated -- go to the Index Islamicus on CD-Rom, and look around and about.

The full list of the disabilities inflicted on non-Muslims contain much that one would not guess from the words "pay tax." The Pact of Umar, and subsequent caliphs, elaborated a series of measures. Inequality at law -- the word of a dhimmi not accepted against a Muslim. The requirement of identifying marks on both clothing (the zunnar, or belt, worn by Christians, being one of them; the yellow star introduced for Jews in Baghdad being another)and dwelling places. The inability to ride horses, but only donkeys, and sidesaddle (try it, and you will soon see how slow must have been the journey from one village to another), and the requirement that the dhimmi dismount whenever a Muslim came in view, and much more. Essentially the dhimmi's rights came entirely from whatever the Muslims wished to grant, and depended on Muslim good will. The failure of even one dhimmi to meet all of his requirements (such as paymenbt of the jizya) could make the entire community liable. Of course, the very idea of "protected people" implies someone or something to be protected from -- and in the case of the dhimmis, they were protected from the Muslims themselves, from their physical annihilation. For more on this, see Bat Ye'or's website, www.dhimmi.org or www.dhimmitude.org.

"Pay tax" is misleadingly laconic or, rather, laconically misleading.

Yes, I've read of this jizya and found it to be disgusting. Not nearly as innocuous as these taqiyya-merchants like to make it out to be. Misleading? Part and parcel of Islam. To tell the truth would horrify people.

An important clarification for Christians who might not know it already that Muhammadans (Muslims) consider Christians to be polytheists.

So when it said that

"Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. (Sahih Muslim no. 4294).
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it inlude Christians too. But then again anyone who "disbelieve" in Allah is already included in this.

Muhammadeans consider us Christians polytheists because we believe in the Holy Tritiny of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Just warning in case some Taqiyya (Islamic lie) Muhammadean comes around saying in some other context that polytheists does not mean Christians.

So watch out for this one.

ATTENTION
Here is an issue that I think that should be tackled before making any comments on the above issue
Iran: Girl With Mental Age of Eight Given Death Sentence After Mother Forced Her Into Prostitution From Early Ageshiva -- if it were your daughter the Iranians were about to execute, would you tell people -- as you did in one of your comments above -- to send xmas cards to her even though xmas cards will annoy the executioners you are presumably trying to save her from?

please read

If people really want to save Leyla, they won't send xmas cards to her. Below is the Amnesty International information to help you take action on this issue plus the Iranian addresses, fax numbers, emails, etc. If you believe the death penalty IS sometimes a valid punishment, then simply do not use that aspect of AI's suggested message below:

Recommended Action from Amnesty Int'l on Leyla:

Please send appeals to arrive as quickly as possible, in English, Arabic, French, Persian or your own language:
· expressing concern at reports that Leyla M has been sentenced to death for offences committed when she was a child, pointing out that she has been found to have a mental age of eight and urging the authorities to carry out an urgent review of her case;
· calling on the Supreme Court to ensure that Article 41 of the draft law on the Establishment of Children's Courts has been implemented, which requires social workers and psychiatrists to examine defendants such as Leyla M;
· reminding the Head of the Judiciary that passing a death sentence on Leyla M would violate the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights, to which Iran is a state party;
· asking for details of the trial proceedings and any appeals related to her case;
· seeking assurances that the authorities will uphold their obligation to ensure that Leyla M is represented by a lawyer who is able to act in her best interests;
· calling for Leyla M to be granted access to any medical treatment that she may need;
· stating your unconditional opposition to the death penalty, as the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment and violation of the right to life;
· expressing concern and dismay that Amnesty International has recorded 10 executions of child offenders in Iran since 1990, three of them in 2004, and calling on the Iranian authorities to immediately halt further executions of child offenders.

Appeal Addresses

(1)
Leader of the Islamic Republic His Excellency Ayatollah Sayed 'Ali Khamenei The Presidency,
Palestine Avenue,
Azerbaijan Intersection,
Tehran,
Islamic Republic of Iran
Fax: 00 98 21 649 5880 (please mark 'For the attention of the Office of His Excellency, Ayatollah al Udhma Khamenei, Qom)
Email: (on the subject line write: For the attention of the Office of His Excellency Ayatollah al Udhma Khamenei, Qom) [Salutation: Your Excellency]

(2)
Head of the Judiciary
His Excellency Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi
Ministry of Justice,
Park-e Shahr,
Tehran, Islamic Republic of Iran
Email: irjpr@iranjudiciary.org (mark 'Please forward to HE Ayatollah Shahroudi')
[Salutation: Your Excellency]

(3)
Please send copies of your appeals to:
His Excellency Mr Morteza Sarmadi,
Embassy of Islamic Republic of Iran,
16 Prince's Gate,
London
SW7 1PT
Fax: 020 7589 4440

(4)
AND, IF POSSIBLE, TO THE FOLLOWING:
Article 90 Commission Chairperson,
Article 90 Commission (Komisyon-e Asl-e Navad)
Majles-e Shura-ye Eslami,
Imam Khomeini Avenue,
Tehran,
Islamic Republic of Iran
Fax: 00 98 21 646 1746 (can be difficult to reach, please be patient)
PLEASE SEND APPEALS IMMEDIATELY

Posted by: ed at December 13, 2004 05:14 PM
In case I haven't been clear: In using the template from AI in the comment above to send a protest letter to the Iranian government about Leyla's case, be polite to Iranian officials (that is if you really care about saving her life).

my reply[shiva]ATTENTION ATTENTION
ed
Firstly I agree with your comment down to the very last word,so there is no more to discuss about,
Thankyou,thank you very much for all the time and effort you devoted in gathering the imformation you supplied
So JW,ers instead of wasting time on commenting on jerks like LeSVine,[- total boycott, isolate,ignore,he is not worth two words]
Use your time and effort to get your prostests away to the addresses ed has supplied.
If ed can put the time in to do the research then,we should follow up on his lead,don,t waste time on the lesvines,when there are thousands like Leyla being killed.get to the real issues.THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE,DESTROYING LIFE
THANKS ED

just a little thought,how many people have been murdered by Islam while I have been writing this comment

so get the posts going to the addresses ed supplied.Many Thanks in advance, Shiva

Sorry about pasting cock up
.......Early Ageshiva -- if it were.........
should be
.......Early Age shiva -- if it were......
any-way get posting,islam is killing-kiling and

To hell with the Islamic Mid-Evil nonesense! I don't care if Jihad means this or that, it is all a bunch of crap. People defending such crap ( such as CAIR ) should be exsposed as the regressive freedom hating morons that they are.

Religious maniacs insisting on collecting " infidel tax " or dealing death should be mowed down themselves. Over run ever damn mosque in Iraq if we have to.

Sometimes I wish Iraq had been invaded by Mao's China. His Red Guard would have blown up every Mosque in Iraq and lined up Islamic Insugents by the tens of thousands and mowed them all down. There is something to be said by the " wiping the slate clean " approach.

Enough nostalgia, this is a religious war. America is the progressive force in this war, we will and must prevail for the sake of all of humanity. This is the greatest threat to freedom since the Nazi and Communist threat of the 20th Century.

Nossy

My sympathies to Mujahid al-Masih. I've been misquoted by local newsfolk, too. They really are a badly-educated bunch, and can be trusted to take you out of context, or make a blatant misquote. I'm not always sure it's deliberate, but you do have to keep their feet to the fire over such things.

Nossy: Knowing something about Mao's China, had it invaded Iraq and done all the things you say, it would then have insisted that all the survivors line up to thank their "liberators", and do it "from the bottoms of their hearts". After that, they would be obliged to chant how well off they were when they were actually starving to death. That's the thing about the People's War: if the whole people fights, you've got no choice but genocidal action--and you call it by some innocuous sounding name like bandit-suppression.

Then again, after Mao performed his massacres in Eastern Turkistan in 1949, every new generation there blows up in his successors' faces.

Here was an interesting srticle sent to us by Cowboyjohn:

White al-Qaeda at the Gates of the West

By Miroljub Jevtic, Ph.D.

Recent statement by the departing Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge that a profile of a terrorist must be described in a different way is an encouraging sign. Ridge said that al-Qaeda is actively recruiting terrorists among the white race: Bosnians, Chechens and among the Muslims integrated in the Western society, in particular, women. The new profile of a terrorist - the white al-Qaeda - removes another constraint in the battle against the islamic terrorism that has become a world struggle.

The bad part of the Ridge's statement, however, is that it has come relatively late, and that it is partially true.

The proof that Ridge's statement is true could have been herd immediately after 9/11. For example, immediately after the hit on the World Trade Center, I was summoned by a Belgrade TV Politika where I alluded that the central threat to the West may not come from al-Qaeda members recruited from Arab countries or Asia, but from the members and sympathizers of these terrorists mingling among the white races of Europe. The rationale is simple: since the al-Qaeda attacks on US will not end, and all Middle Eastern visitors to the US will immediately become suspects, terrorists need killers that will go unnoticed by the authorities and, increasingly, the suspecting public.

Since the middle eastern racial type is unique, and despite all efforts by the US government to respect all racial types, whether they like it or not, this racial type will be profiled. Precisely because of this, al-Qaeda has decided to recruit its terrorist killers among muslims that have a racial blend in a western society and a large pool of this racial type is found in the Balkans among Albanians and Bosnian Muslims.

Also important is that the 9/11 attack should be understood as the Islamists do: that it was a prelude designed to test al-Qaeda's possibilities and explore American vulnerabilities that are to be used in the final assault. Al-Qaeda wants the final assault to inflict a mortal blow to America or inflict sufficiently large damage so that US would become a desert that will never be able to recover into an oasis of freedom.

[David Hicks aka Muhamed al-Australia]
A typical example of the "white al-Qaeda" bred in Kosovo is David Hicks now renamed into Mohammed al-Australia (photo above taken in Kosovo). The commander of this mujahadeen seeking to kill Christian Serbs in Kosovo was today's Prime Minister of Kosovo Ramush Haradinaj. Hicks, 29, is facing charges of conspiracy to commit war crimes, aiding the enemy, and attempted murder for allegedly helping the al-Qaeda terrorist network fight US and coalition forces in Afghanistan. David Hicks is now in Guantanamo.
If the aim is a mortal attack on the US, then acts of the 9/11 type seem to be important to the terrorists only as morale boosters for their allegiance. But to achieve destruction of America, islamic terrorists want to hit targets such as nuclear facilities or the stockpiles of the atomic weapons, or use the weapons of mass destruction that will kill all alive but keep the material wealth of the US which islamic terrorists covet.

In December 2003 I've also alluded to this nuclear and WMD threat on a Belgrade TV show, and unfortunately it seems not early enough: soon thereafter, the news came that at least 10 top secret disks pertaining to the US nuclear program have been stolen from the Nuclear Laboratory in Los Alamos. The more bizarre is that this was the second time that top secret nuclear files have been stolen from that laboratory.

The repeat of the theft would not have happened unless some serious security holes exist and not just as absence of sufficient security personnel but, more importantly, as a political refusal to look into the eyes of the truth. Because of this, there is a real possibility that the institutions such as the one in Los Alamos will become infiltration centers that will lead the terrorist activities in the US and the peoples best suited to infiltrate these institutions and destroy America from the inside are the "white al-Qaeda" found among the Muslims of the Balkans - most notably the Muslim Albanians and Bosnians. That is why al-Qaeda is actively recruiting among them.

Ridge has made a similar mistake by not including into the new terrorist profile the islamic Albanians, or more precisely, their organized political-criminal hybrid that dominates Europe and has recently dethroned the Italian Mafia in the US as the leading criminal enterprise. This failure may be a tragic result of the Balkan policies that US has had in the Balkans and it compounds the political and security mistakes that the ex-Yugoslav and now Serbian authorities are making.

In treatment of the islamic problem in the Balkans the accent of the problem was always shifted onto the Bosnian Muslims while, in the case of Albanians, the phenomena of islamic fanaticism was downplayed.

[Redzep Boya]
Kosovo Albanian Wahabi Myphtiu dr. Rexhep Boya. Boya was recently removed because his association with the Wahabi sect may cause damage to the Albanian image as lovers of peace.
When analyzing the Albanian society, for example, the typical depiction is of a conglomeration of 3 religious groups, and that the Islamic one is made up of Sunnis and many other dervish sects among whom the Becktesh was the largest. The cliché was that Albanians have overcome all of their religious differences and achieved national unity so, the cliché goes, religion does not matter to the Albanians. Therefore, the impact of Islam on the politics of Albanians was neglected and with that the potential influence of the al-Qaeda type organizations was also neglected.

Many superficial elements did give this clinched impression. Albania was ruled by an atheistic regime for 50 years and it was removed only recently with the fall of communism; all Albanian separatist groups that operated in the Balkans had a distinctly marxist outlook and were nostalgic of Albania that was stalinist at the time.

The clinched political profile of Albanians in the Balkans suggested that the Albanians are secularized society with a negligible Islamic influence. Along with the neglect of the force of Islam among Albanians, whether deliberate or not but nevertheless a false religious picture was also portrayed of the Albanian population. For example, the much touted "Balkan expert" Stephen Schwartz recently made a claim that 15% of Albanians in Macedonia are Christian while a more realistic picture is a negligible decimal. Similarly, in Kosovo, claims are made that hundreds of thousands are Catholic when in fact the Kosovo Albanian Catholic congregation led by Bishop Mark Sopi is at 20,000 - just below two percent.

In addition to the overwhelming numbers and behind the surface of clichés attempting to whitewash the Islamic influence among Albanians are cultural practices that suggest a much more "islamic" character of Albanians then Bosnian Muslims.

For example, even during the years of hyper-atheism of the communist Yugoslavia, Albanian recruits in the ex-Yugoslav army refused pork products at an overwhelmingly larger rate then did the Bosnian Muslims; Albanian soldiers demanded that the toilets be outfitted not with paper but water hoses; belief in djenet and huria (islamic heaven's virgins) that are waiting for the devout ones is much more widespread among the Albanians then the Bosnian muslims. What's more alarming is the spread of the Wahabism among the Albanians across Balkans. In fact, the most prominent Kosovo Albanian clergyman, Redzxep Boya, is a Wahabi schooled cleric and exerts tremendous influence on the political landscape of this province. In Albania itself, furthermore, Muslims are increasingly renouncing moderate Henif-Islam and flocking to the militant Wahabism.

Chief of the Becktesh sect in Albania, Resat Bardi, recently testified that Wahhabists are increasingly physically attacking his members.
The Wahabi Redzxep Boya was recently removed from the leadership position and along with these traditional Islamic practices of takhiyah that require a Muslim to deceive the infidel in order to bring victory to Islam; the upsurge in Islamic fanaticism among Albanians; sheer scale of population numbers; general cultural predisposition to the extreme Islamic practices, as well as the vast and brutal criminal network that stretches across the world... all represent a terrorist profile that should alarm the West and in particular, the US.

The profile should be even more alarming because the al-Qaeda has already established a good terrorist network among the Albanians in the Balkans. During the mandate of the post-communist President of Albania, Sali Berisha, al-Qaeda infiltrated that country with great deal of help from Berisha's chief of security (SHIK) Baskim Gazidede who may have organized bin-Laden's visit to Albania. Gazidede also organized the secret training camps for the Albanian gunmen, KLA, in Albania itself, Kosovo and Macedonia, and some of the financing for the camps came from al-Qaeda.

The prefix "Gazi" in Gazideda's name means Jihad and is given to an Albanian Muslim who's ancestor participated in a violence in the name of Allah.
After the fall of the Berisha government, Gazidede allegedly flew to safety to Syria. Despite his departure and presence of the NATO troops in Albania and Kosovo, the goal of Islamic terrorists is unchanged for this region: to create a large, majority Albanian and Muslim state in the Balkans by annexing territories from Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece to Albania and to use that islamic state as a launching pad for destruction of the West.

With its support for the extreme islamic forces in the Balkans, the US has contributed greatly to the spread of terrorism and insecurity in the region. Extremists used this support very well and now are ready to repay it back to America and the payment may be too dangerous to collect.

Muslims are the world's largest group of - well, I cannot with any honesty say "religion", considering the meaning of the word - perhaps "thought process"? um - yes, I see what's wrong with that: Should one even think a "thought" one would never embrace the Muslims way. The former Soviet Bloc countries/territories are crammed with Muslims and have been for perhaps more than a millenium, not to speak of so-called Catholic areas such as the Phillipines et al. This conflict, Christian versus Paganism [AKA Muslim, AKA Islam], has been building up since Mohammed dreamed up his nightmares to inflict upon the world circa 800 a.d. After all, it was the 8th Ecumenical Council held in Constantinople [now known as Istanbul] that began to impose this inhumanity upon the world! Anyone without any mind whatsoever is easily a Muslim while anyone possessing any ability to THINK avoids Muslimhood. I'll continue to think for myself!

LilOleMissy:

Totalitarian cult would probably work (instead of religion).

Gee. Great choice. And when the shoe is on the other foot? It's time to be serious. Put an end to this. It's not religion. It's plain murder, deception, and destruction. The U.S. has not contributed to the spread of terrorism. The U.S. has tried to seek out terrorists and stop terrorist activity. Truth is the only way and the light in life. Where would the world be without the U. S. ?