Bishop: 'Israel is a terrorist state'

Yes, reminds me of someone also. It is most serious when our centers for higher education become incubators for radical Islamic thought. It is fortunate that Jihadwatch has brought Mr. LeVine's apparent agenda to light. From JW:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004273.php

Further proof of LeVines radicalism:

Dr. Mark LeVine (with a capital "V") and Wesley Cook AKA Mumia Abu-Jamal:

"...smart Art Press will publish a small catalogue that will include statements by Mumia Abu-Jamal,...and professor Mark LeVine."[!!!]

http://www.track16.com/exhibitions/capital/capital.html

Can it get any clearer than that? An Anti-Israel, free-Mumia, let's make a hudna with Islam, professor teaching students ant UC Irvine.

Yukk!
Of course these people live in fear.

Being whatever sort of Christians in Pakistan they have to 'condemn' the Joooz!

They don't want to be firebombed and killed, but how much time will it buy them, if any?

"I wish to make it clear that my statement is based on principles and I am not trying to please the Muslim majority of Pakistan...." said Nasir.

Sure.

Riiiiiiiiight.

But he may be right. He's not trying to please the Muslim majority of Pakistan; he's trying to please the Muslim majority of Saudi Arabia, who runs Pakistan.

It´s very sad that in these case this protestant said this thing, we have to be joined against islam

"I wish to make it clear that my statement is based on principles and I am not trying to please the Muslim majority of Pakistan...." said Nasir.

The mere fact that he made a statement like this shows he is lying...when you are a guppie in a tnk full of sharks you tend to say what the sharks want to hear.

Why does the PCP have to oppose recognizing Israel's right to exist to recognize the Arab Palestinian state's right to exist?
Because they're GOOD dhimmis, and bad things happen to bad dhimmis.

If the palestinians get control of the holy sights , he will not be able to visit them because they will be "protected" the same way Joseph's tomb was.

Links for the destruction of Joseph's tomb-
http://www.wiesenthal.com/social/press/pr_item.cfm?ItemId=7264

http://www.agsconsulting.com/joseph.htm

http://www.greatestjeneration.com/archives/001447.php

Carolyn2-
Let's not forget how the Palestinians "respected" the Church of the Nativity when they turned it into a military position in 2002:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_church_nativity_2002.php

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/nativityterr.html

Mike: Because they're GOOD dhimmis, and bad things happen to bad dhimmis.

Right on, Mike. I'm glad to say that I am in 100% agreement with you.

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Carolyn: If the palestinians get control of the holy sights , he will not be able to visit them because they will be "protected" the same way Joseph's tomb was.

I fear that you are wrong on this one, in two ways. First of all, it's not a matter of "if" anymore, but rather "when." Even the almighty Wone says so.

Second, I think the "palestinians" will be so hungry for cash (despite the immediate claims for reparations from Israel) that they will welcome tourists with open arms. This and this alone could be the impetus that squashes terrorist attacks once and for all, assuming that the terrorists start targetting tourists and not Israel. It seems to me that that in tourist-dependant Bahamas, tourist killers are dealth with very harshly. What can you say?--money talks.

This could also help explain the "palestinian" fetish for Jerusalem, arguably the most lucrative tourist trap in the history of the world. Of course, the main reason is that taking control of Jerusalem and making in "Juden Rein" would be an insult to the "oppressive" Jews, but the tourodollars that would pour into a (presumably friendly) Jerusalem would pay for a lot of Jihad.

--Either Islam will end Jihad or Jihad will end Islam--

The Coptic Church does the same thing in Egypt. It's a game -- criticize Israel to the Western Media, and the dhimmies get the rare privilege of fixing a few toilets in one of their run-down churches. (Run down because they have to get official permission -- which never comes -- to fix them up.)

In Pakistan the stakes are probably higher -- criticize Israel to the Western Media, and we won't kill you.

He's engaging in Dhimmi escapism! Right, Israel is a terrorist state, but Pakistan is a flourishing democracy. Like a seething mass of unhinged fanatics squatting atop a pile of rusty nukes that they refer to, in a most secular way, as the 'Islamic bomb'. I can only assume it has some sort of peculiar odour, or something.

Presbyterian's are wacked to begin with. They are apostates of Christianity, and have some real weird ideas/interpretations of the bible.
That's probably why they don't have a very large congregation in the USA.

It's good to be in agreement with you, too, kj.

Your comments about tourism got me to checking out the economy of the West Bank, and according to the CIA, GDP has dropped 22% since 2002. Unemployment now stands at a whopping 50% (including the Gaza Strip).

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/we.html

Not only has terrorism cost Israel and the Palestinians hundreds of millions of dollars, the entire region has experienced a drop in tourism revenue.
Bahrain's Tourism Minister Yaaqub al-Hamr said "Terrorism and extremism have seriously affected tourism and the economy of our region, and our losses will continue to increase if we don't try to save what can still be saved," he said.

"French Holocaust Denier on Ban of Al-Manar: 'The Big Lie of the Alleged Holocaust ... is the Shield of Jewish Tyranny... Destroy it'"
from MEMRI:

On Saturday December 18, 2004 French Holocaust denier Professor Robert Faurisson former lecturer of Lyon University, gave an interview to Iran's Mehr News Agency about France's decision to ban Al-Manar TV. The following is the interview:

Mehr News Agency: "France's highest administrative court, the Council of State, last week moved decisively to ban Al Manar television, alleging that the network had repeatedly violated the country's anti-hate laws and ignored its own pledge to avoid making anti-Semitic statements. What is your view of the decision?"

Faurisson: "Unfortunately, it is totally normal. In France, Jewish organizations get whatever they demand. And especially the Conseil Représentatif des Institutions Juives de France (CRIF), headed by former banker Roger Cukierman, who was very instrumental in the campaign against Al Manar."

MNA: "Do you think the Zionist lobby in the U.S. influenced France's decision to ban Al Manar?"

Faurisson: "In France Jewish power is even stronger than in the USA. In France it is our lobby number 1. Nobody dares to speak out against those people because of their alleged 'Holocaust'."

MNA: "France claims it is a pioneer in freedom of expression, so how do you evaluate this claim? Isn't the recent decision against freedom of expression and human dignity?"

Faurisson: "Please, don't be naive! In 1789, France said: 'Liberté, égalité, fraternité.' Three years afterwards, France began massive killings of French citizens in the name of 'Liberté, égalité, fraternité.' It is an old tradition to say something and to do the contrary. In the Book of Laws, we have one sentence to say that freedom of opinion, of press, of research is a principle and then we have pages and pages for explaining that that freedom is so important that it needs to be protected by dozens of prohibitions, exceptions, bans, etc."

MNA: "Actually, France doesn't respect the rights of its citizens, as it has banned the hijab (Islamic headscarf) in public schools. How do you assess that?"

Faurisson: "Because Jews, in a certain way, are used to treating the French as they treat Palestinians. The difference is that Palestinians refuse to obey the Jews, whereas the French obey the Jews, once more because of the Big Lie of the alleged 'Holocaust,' in which unfortunately they seem to believe.

"The alleged 'Holocaust' of the Jews is the sword and the shield of the Jewish tyranny all over the world. Destroy it"

That last remark needs to be underlined. Most Pakistani Christians, when they are safely out of Pakistan or any other part of dar al-Islam, are able to slough off, as a snake sheds its skin, the internalized Muslim views -- born of a lifetime of exposure to anti-Israel rants, and to fear-induced dhimmitude (the present behavior of non-Muslims in Muslim lands offers insight into how, over 1350 years, large non-Muslim populations succumbed to the slow asphyxiation, or the outright persecution and massacres, that they suffered under their Muslim masters).

This particualr bishop is no John Joseph. He has more in common with the gun-running Hilarion Cappucci, or such current islamochristian propagandists as the Anglican Arab (i.e. Anglican/Islamic Arab) Michel Sabbagh or Naim Ateek. Once one understands the psychology of dhimmitude, and the loyalty to "Arabtum" that naturally translates into support for Islam as the expression of Arab identity, greatness, and main "gift" to the world, the behavior of the Sabbaghs, Ateeks, and Cappuccis, or the assorted "Palestinian" ministers who have been working so tirelessly in this country, especialy in the Presbyterian Church bureaucracy (and their infiltration, and indoctrination, has been paying off), comes as no surprise.

And one must re-read the doth-protest-too-much remark of this "Bishop" to understand exactly what he has to say, and must force himself to believe:

"I wish to make it clear that my statement is based on principles and I am not trying to please the Muslim majority of Pakistan...." said Nasir.

One final note. The name "Nasir." What is a Pakistani, that is someone from the subcontinent, doing with an Arab name? Well, he -- though a Christian -- has apparently not given himself a Christian name (cf. Bishop John Joseph) but retains an Arab name like most Paksitanis, or indeed like so many Muslims throughout the non-Arab world.

And why is someone from the subcontinent named "Nasir" (or "Sayid" -- a name indicating descent from the Prophet, which half of Pakistan seems to be)? Because the Arabs are the "best of people," for the Qur'an was given, as Muhammad's amanuensis jotted down, "to your people" and in "your language." The Qur'an must be read "in Arabic" -- thus it contributes to linguistic imperialism. The manners and customs of 7th century Arabia -- the manners and customs of Muhammad and his Companions, or the Sunna -- are for all time the perfect manners, and perfect customs, and the ways that Muslims in Pakistan, or Malaysia, or Indonesia, or even in Oregon or Texas or Falls Church, Virginia, should be following, wherever they are from, as long as they are Muslim.

A good example comes from a story about clashes between Han and Muslim Hui in western China that appeared the other day, in which one man with a clear Chinese name said that he was eager to adopt some Arab name – Muhammad or Ali Jihad or some such. In other words, arabization comes almost automatically with islamization. No need even to ask if “you want fries with that.”

Last April, Jihadwatch had a story about a “Malaysian intellectual” complaining about this arabization of Malayisa – and many other stories have appeared, from many other non-Arab Muslim sources, about resentment over the forced arabization, or unforced self-arabization, prompted by the teachings of the Qur’an and the example of the Sunna.

Here is what, in part, was posted then:

A consequence of Islam's strong Arab character is the Arabization of the cultures to which it spreads. Thus in a non-Arab Islamic state, not only are non-Muslims relegated to dhimmi status, but the cultural heritage of the land itself is denigrated. The most egregious recent example of this, of course, is the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan by the Taliban.
Here is a piece taking issue with a milder form of the same thing, in Malaysia. From The Star:
KUALA LUMPUR: Malays should put a stop to the “Arabisation” of their own culture and challenge those who condemn as unIslamic deep-rooted practices and traditions of the community.
“The Malays are not Arabs. Therefore, it is important that we do not “Arabise” the Malay culture to the extent that everything that the Arabs do, we must do,” said Arts, Culture and Heritage Minister Datuk Seri Dr Rais Yatim.
“The Malay culture arose from time immemorial, even before 1409 when Islam came to Malacca, and we cannot simply ignore that period from which we came,” he added in an interview here with The Star early this week.
Dr Rais stressed that he was not anti-Arab culture.
“That's not to say I hold contra-views against the Arab culture. In fact, the Arab world has many aspects that have benefited and enriched the world in terms of medicine, art, poetry and so on.
“Even Bahasa Malaysia is imbued with salient influences from Arabia.
“But the community should not be influenced to the extent that they are blinded into thinking that all that is Arabic is good for them.”
Asked whether the Government was concerned by the situation, Dr Rais replied: “It is and (this concern) has not been publicly or adequately expressed.”
He pointed out that traditions like wayang kulit which had been condemned as unIslamic by some people, had gone unchallenged.
“We just, in chorus, say 'Aha, perhaps so' but we never fight back to say that this is a deep-rooted tradition of the Malays since time immemorial. (We should ask:) 'Put to us which (Islamic) tenet is being violated.' Nobody says that.
“Therefore, the ministry is concerned with such a development and we are not going to accept it just because somebody says it (is so),” he said.
Dr Rais added that the fervour that began in 1983 in accepting as gospel anything with the world “Islam” in it was dying down.
“That seems to be changing now with Islam Hadhari that the Prime Minister (Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi) is talking about lately. That is the practical, progressive sort of Islam that we should accept,” he said.
During the nearly two-hour long interview, Dr Rais, who was appointed Minister of the redesignated Arts, Culture and Heritage Ministry (formerly known as the Culture, Arts and Tourism Ministry) after last month's general election, promised to also “put on the map again what was lost” in reference to Malay performing arts such as the mak yong and manora which had been banned by PAS in Kelantan and Terengganu.
“This is where I would say politics and culture don't seem to mix in the hands of those responsible in the past decade,” he said.

Bishop Nasir? "Bishop""Nasir" better conveys the melancholy reality.

Better understanding through punctuation.

With regards to the terror on the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem:

The outcome was most disappointing.

Obviously the names of the terrorists are known and it can't be that hard to find them wherever they are.

Assasination in this case is simply for the common good, and revenge is another good enough reason.

To search and destroy them is the duty of every secret service that is worth a grain of salt.

We will never earn the respect of the terrorists if we let them get away!

Meet the terrorists who occupied the Church of the Nativity in 2002:

http://www.revlu.com/cyp.html

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/nativityterr.html

Mike: they were all given "asylum" in Europe after the seige. You know what "asylum" in Europe means don't you? Fat welfare benefits, free housing and medical care, etc. Nevertheless, one of them was arrested a while back for participating in a string of armed robberies, in Belgium if I remember correctly.

They shat and peed on the altar of the most precious church in Christendom, and were then rewarded for their actions with fat jizyah payments by some of Christendom's (largely worthless) modern heirs.

Imagine if one of us shat and peed inside one of their 7000 holiest sites. We'd never live to tell the tale, let alone be rewarded with welfare benefits for life.

Suzan:
It's another case of do as we say, not as we do.

OT:
DHIMMITUDE PAYS:

French journalists freed in Iraq

Militants in Iraq have freed French reporters Georges Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot, who were taken hostage on 20 August.
The French foreign ministry confirmed an Arabic TV report that the two men had been set free and said they would return to France on Wednesday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4115975.stm

I do believe that the Presbyerian Church headquartes in Kentucky has decided to divest its portfolio from unethical holdiongs, e.g. from Caterpillar, Inc., the company they now dislike because caterpillar makes the bull-dozers used by theIDF to raze buildings the palestinians use as firing bases. That, it seems to me, is why the Pakistani bishop is comdmning Israel: not to appease the Moslems in Pakistan but to gain support from the American church. [He included rhetorically.]

At what point does not condemning evil become condoning evil? At the point that the Presbyterian church spends it time and money supporting the PLO and their ilk. Does that make them complicit in the attempted genocide of the Jews? And what seperates that from ful-blown Naziism? A couple of fancy dance-steps? A couple of dhimmi bestg-sellers on the charts? Membership in the "Elbow-patches Club" rather than a desk in the leather trench coat tavern?

Most of us are aware of the plight of Christians in Moslem lands, and only a fool would urge them to martydom. Simple prudence argues that they do what they can to maintain themselves and their churches to whatever extent they may under those conditions. I've argued that a temporary solution to the Coptic plight is to evacuate them from Egypt to America like the israelis did with the Ethiopians and Yemenis to Israel. But that is not a permanent solution for Christians in Moslem lands. It's perhaps not even feasable, as was the Roumanian ransom scheme in the 1940s. But if we do nothing, we certainly shouldn't complain about those who try to save their own skins.

Some genius last day accused me of being a Moslem, apparently not understanding the difference between that and my at times strident Zionism. But regardless of my Zionist commitments, (and my inimitable E.s.l.,) the fact is that condemning Israel is cheek by jowl with fascism each and every time, even if it's a simple matter of prudence. If the Pakistani clergy tell themslelves, their congregation, and the Pakistani goernment and the world that Israel is evil and murderous, how long before the Big Lie is actually true in the minds of those who speak it and hear it? Yes, we turn a deaf ear to the men and women pleading dhimmitude to save themselves, but what do we do when that same lie comes from Kentucky?

In my case, I do nothing. But what do we do? Again, I have argued over and over that we focus on the tasks at hand in practical ways. I'll leave this with the reminder that I am trying to produce a hand-out in time for Christmas. I hope that will be a solid beginning of a campaign that will, in time, produce some genuine progress in this struggle.

And for the one who figured I might not really be a Moslem, well, todah.

Shona Tova

For your Christmas viewing pleasure, may I suggest:

http://jabotinsky.org/

Sonofwalker,

Yup, I did see the post yuesterday accusing you of being a muslim country's secret service agent surreptiously monitoring infidel truth-spewing websites.....

*LOL*

And Yeah, I agree with the scorn you heaped on the commie-leftist jingle-balls. They deserve every bit of scron thrown at them.

Meanwhile OT ensoi this li'l bit of news that cropped up at freerepublic.com. Seems many conservative students in univs across america are using the tactics the liberal leftists used in the late 60s and are now vocally attacking the awful lack of diversity in universities!!

Anybody hear chickens coming home to roost....

oops forgot to post the URL

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1306214/posts

How the heck does a PRESBYTERIAN church have bishops? Sure you don't mean Moderator, or something like that?

Nathan, as a Presbyterian and native of the Great State of New Jersey, I feel obliged to remind you that the signer of the Declaration of Independence for my native state, the Rev. Dr. John Witherspoon, was a Presbyterian minister from Scotland. He was also head of the College of New Jersey, where a lot of our founders studied.

A few million Americans identify themselves as Presbyterian. While the largest Presbyterian denomination is riddle with heterodoxy, a number of smaller Presbyterian bodeis are adamantly Evangelical.

Maybe you don't like the doctrine of predestination or covenantalism or the idea that the Bible must be allowed to criticize tradition; but denial of predestination didn't become widespread in Protestantism until Methodism took off. It's also an issue with which every theistic religion (and a lot of non-theistic ones, too)must grapple sooner or later.

Mike:

Thank you for posting these two sites with the profiles and names of these terrorist bastards. Somehow things are very wrong if they can now enjoy screwing around in Europe on welfare!

I want to puke!!

Why do you think they are still alive and why haven't they been done the way they should have been?