From the New York Times, with thanks to Ron:
CRAWFORD, Tex., Dec. 29 - President Bush took the unusual step on Wednesday of responding to one of Osama bin Laden's taunting tape recordings, declaring that Mr. bin Laden's recent call for Iraqis to boycott the elections in January "make the stakes of this pretty clear to me.""His vision of the world is where people don't participate in democracy," Mr. Bush said of Mr. bin Laden, Al Qaeda's leader, who has eluded capture for more than three years. "His vision of the world is one in which there is no freedom of expression, freedom of religion and/or freedom of conscience. And that vision stands in stark contrast to the vision of, by far, the vast majority of Iraqis."
Interesting. I hope he's right, but the clear evidence that many Iraqis are attached to the Sharia is an indication that many are not as interested in freedom of conscience as Bush may wish them to be.
A person's religion is a clear indication of his/her worldview. Mohammedanism does not provide for an outlook that includes personal liberty, the dignity of all peoples, the notion of "made in the image of God" (Judeo-Christian), dignity of women, freedom of conscience, etc.
The American Republic was founded on the Judeo-Christian worldview. The American experiment succeeds when it applies constitutional principles, including participation in legitimate elections for all eligible citizens.
Free elections in Iraq is an oxymoron.
Perhaps Bush should start to read the Qu'ran.
Or at least he should carefully study what Bin Laden has to say: After all, Bin Laden is "a good muslim"- in fact so 'good' that we urgently want him dead.
But the mindset and the religious fervor that Bin Laden inspires within his followers are not based on OBL's ideology, but on that dirty book that they call holy.That's what gives him crediblity.
If Americans, especially their leaders, would begin to understand that, there wouldn't be a 'war on terror' but a war on totalitarian ideology called 'Islam'.
No need to go on into blaming idiots like peanut- Carter for allowing the first 'Islamic Republic Iran" to come into being by dropping the Shah, no need to blame 'blowjob' Clinton for keeping the US focused on trivia rather than doing something about the terror which is Islam, and no need to blame Bush for not getting it at all!
That's all America, and it's our only hope since Europe is going to the dogs...Trouble is, we need somebody who - understands what Jihad is all about- in power, not somebody who believes that the world 'should be democratic' and all this other naive and wishful picture the the way Americans see it, but is far out of touch with the Palestinian/Arab concept of conquest and booty.
I take strong exception to the comment that the American Republic was founded on the Judeo Christian world view. Such a statement is no different from the beliefs of the Islamists... no different at all.
In fact the founding fathers were Masons, Deists, for the most part and were more influenced by the age of reason than the "Judeo Christian" world view, which in itself is nothing to be proud of, because it's own tradition (The Old Testament) is as bloody and gory as the Qur'an.
What the RNC, Bush, neo cons, corporate media don't tell us, and I can't help but wonder why, is that America and the west was betrayed by them.
Jay Gardner approved and put in place an [url=http://scoop.agonist.org/archives/014123.html]Iraqi Interim Constitution[/url] That makes Iraq an Islamic Republic, the carbon copy of Iran, read the Iranian constitution [url=http://www.iranonline.com/iran/iran-info/Government/constitution.html]Here[/url]
[quote][b]A) Islam is the official religion of the State and is to be considered a source of legislation[/b] No law that contradicts the universally agreed tenets of Islam, the principles of democracy, or the rights cited in Chapter Two of this Law may be enacted during the transitional period. This Law respects the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and guarantees the full religious rights of all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice.
(B) Iraq is a country of many nationalities, and the Arab people in Iraq are an inseparable part of the Arab nation[/quote]
Article A makes clear that Shari'a is the law of the land
Article B makes clear that Iraqi Arabs are part of the pan Arab or Arab Nationalist movement (Nasser or the Ba'aths
[b]We have been deceived and betrayed by our leaders, and for what purpose, what is the ultimate game plan. It is documented that Bush and Cheney are in bed with the Saudis, and partners with them in the likes of the Carlyle Group and Delta Oil[/b]
GIAOUR
What you don't seem to realise or KNOW is that Christianity IS BASED ON THE NEW TESTAMENT. Old Testament is meant to be an historical record. Have you ever read the Bible, I don't think so!
Like most Muslims you equate the Old Testament with Koran. Also blood, thunder and gore in Old Testament has firmly been repudiated a long time ago, not so in Koran. If you want to continue living in backwardness, poverty and violence of seventh Century Arabia please return to Middle East. We don't want you in the West!
To giaour,
It appears that you are a new poster here and have somehow missed the zeitgeist of this blog. As Alexis de Tocqueville said, "America is good because it's people are good. When the people cease to be good, America will cease to be good". That 'goodness' is rooted firmly within the Bible of which most of the Framers took very seriously. Yes, not all the Framers were committed Christians, but that is not the point. The point is that most of them were who insisted on a literal translation of the Word of God. As for President Bush, he is wasting his time debating OBL. Islam regards democracy as we understand it to be decadent and an abomination. There will be no freedom anywhere in the ME as long as the mullahs and ayatollahs have political and religious control over their people. Cheers from Canada!
Morgane you are as much an idiot as the dhimmi's and antisemites on another forum, who accuse me of being a Jew because I expose Islam, and Islamics.
I am not a Muslim you fool, never was either.And don't try Christian apologetics on me, they don't work any more than Muslim apologetics work on me.
And please don't give me that stuff about the New Testament doing away with the old. I am well versed and read in the Bible and was a traditional roman catholic. Iesus said, that not one iota or tittle of the law will be set aside till the end of time, and the Law is the Old Testament (in particular Deuteronomy and Leviticus.
R Dubya Bee I am not, I just don't post often, and De Tocquevilles opinion is that. His opinion, only.
Has nothing to do with the formation and Constitution of this government.
Meanwhile let's get back to the issue, Dubya's love affair with Muslims, whether it be Kosovo, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Tajkemenistan or Pakistan.
And his setting up Islamic Republics in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'm almost through Serge Trifkovic's The Sword of the Prophet and I'm appalled. Nothing I didn't know before, but he puts it all in one place - appalling betrayal of the West by Dubya and the neo cons.
By the way Dubya Bee spare me, who knows infinitely more than you do, your rant.
I know the history of the mid east and Islam probably better than Mr. Spencer, and the reason for my post was my concern that Bush and Co have set up an Islamic Republic in Iraq and refreshed the one in Afghanistan.
Apparently you and others are living in an alternate reality, since you seem unawares.
Google Iran Constitution, Iraqi Interim Constitution, Afghanistan Constitution, Taliban Constitution and compare.. difference between a dozen and 12 of a kind.
Did you know that in Afghanistan, under Hamid Kharzai they still execute people in public, amputate hands in public, and instead of hanging the body for four days in public, they "cut it down" afte 15 minutes, did you know that Shari'a is the law of the land in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Probably don't want to learn it either.
Problem is that you didn't read my first post and probably won't read this, before you see red and hit the reply button.
Self righteous Christians are of the same ilk as the Mooselimbs.
And I take strong exception to being placed in the same category as muslims. As we have said repeatedly here to you and others, when was the last time a Christian flew a plane into a building. (And Timothy McViegh was NOT a Christian and was a "lily white")
McVeigh- (sp)
Posted by: Giaour at December 30, 2004 04:18 PM
Kosovo, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Tajkemenistan or Pakistan.
Hate to Remind you the time Frame But that was your BUBBA?? Billy Clinton??
Remember he save [OR TOOK FROM THE CHRISTIANS]mulsums??
This is a hope that the mulsums will have a free land and they can all go home??
ALL though I have to say most killed in the Killer Wave were supporters of ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] I see the Un has made a showing seams that Koffi was skiing in WY for all this time??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Crush ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
Posted by: Giaour at December 30, 2004 04:18 PM
so are you saying all mulsums are savages and should be killed??
and keep reading we need more libs to get the fire in their bellys??
Giaour is not a muslim,for giaour means infidel or kafir,in turkish.
GIAOUR
I am actually an Agnostic but did read the Bible
and go to Sunday School etc. You're either a Bush Hating Leftist or a Muslim masquerading under "Giaour" - probably a Turkish Muzzie!! Or you are on some substance...
When it comes to going with Mr. Bush's or Mr. Spencer's view of of the future of Iraq, I tend to go with Mr. Spencer's. Except for the remnant Christians, the Iraqi "people" are Moslems. Do the Iraqi people have a yearning for "freedom of expression, freedom of religion and/or freedom of conscience" or one for a Sharia-based Islamic country?
I doubt that the average Iraqi yearns to have a country with freedom of religion.