Charles Moore replies to the critics of his earlier piece in The Telegraph, with thanks to JS:
The reaction to my own article shows the problem. The Muslim Association of Britain (not to be confused with the MCB) said that what I had written was "repulsive", composed out of an "arrogance borne by only the most zealous of racists". Because of my "filth and drivel", I should be dismissed from The Daily Telegraph, and the paper should apologise. Just in case the point was missed, the MAB reminded the paper of the lessons of the Salman Rushdie affair.It also referred readers to a website, IslamOnline.net, which globalises the denunciation of my column with a Cairo dateline and offers a link to a discussion of what should happen to non-Muslims who insult the Prophet ("In Islam, it is well known that the punishment for the one who insults the Prophet is to be killed… However, we Muslims are advised to be forgiving and pardoning.")
Who are the Muslim Association of Britain? I've been looking them up. They have close links to the extremist Muslim Brotherhood, one of whose leaders, Qutb, advocated takfir, the branding of all Muslims as infidels unless they conform to sharia. Some MAB activists support Hamas and its policy of suicide bombing.
One of its senior chaps, Azzam Tamimi, has boasted of this "human bomb" against the Israelis: "We love death, they love life." The IslamOnline website is the mouthpiece of Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi. It debates, among other things, whether the best treatment for homosexuals is 100 lashes or chucking them over a cliff, and Qaradawi rejects interfaith dialogue in favour of "the language of the sword and force". The Taqwa Bank, of which he is a shareholder, has had its assets seized by the US Treasury because of its suspected terrorist links.
On the same programme on which Miss Mactaggart appeared (Radio 4's Today), a spokesman for the MAB popped up to support the religious hatred law and said that people should not be allowed to shout things like "Bin Laden" at Muslims in the street. (By the way, why does he see that, from his point of view, as an insult?)
So here we have a body with activists who support the killing of Israeli Jews, telling people in Britain that they must stop displaying religious intolerance - all of this listened to respectfully by the BBC. I am trying to avoid the word "Orwellian", but I can't.
Read it all.
So they 'love death'?? Really??
If that is the case, I suggest we help them along the way!
Whatever it takes,- if it helps them per express to the 72 virgins without causing too much damage, let 'em have it!
We love life, and if they prefer to die let 'em have it! Nothing lost, good riddance, thank you for not causing too much damage, take Allah with you, take Mohammed with you,... bye bye...
You know, Islam is, in itself, a religious insult. As a Christian I am deeply offended when when Muslims attempt to assert that the successor to Christ and Moses is a filthy pedophile! What on EARTH could be more injurious than that?
Bravo Moore!
I hope the way you've spoken out is gonna be a flood-gate-opener for others in the now-sterile jounalism profession.
I hope your views get much play in the media and other budding journos see professing truth even if the facts appear to support the rightwingers as a good way to move up in the profession as opposed to the current practice of spinning leftist rhetoric.
I long for the day Academia wakesup and professes truth too. And that is seen as a good way of advancing one's academic career...Asking for too much, maybe?
"This is the perfect war. They want to die and we want to kill them."
Sgt. Maj. Henry Bergeron USMC
A good piece that shows there is no need for this law.
Why didn't Robert also post the article about Prince Charles secret apostacy meeting (which is referenced in Mr. Moore's piece above.)
Here is the link. You have to register, but registration is free:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;sessionid=WQ000AD30EE1NQFIQMGCM5WAVCBQUJVC?xml=/news/2004/12/18/nprince18.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=66141
Excerpt:
"The Prince of Wales is brokering efforts to end the Muslim death penalty on converts to other faiths, The Telegraph has learned.
He held a private summit of Christian and Muslim leaders at Clarence House this month to explore the centuries-old Islamic law under which apostates face persecution and even death.
His intervention follows mounting anger at the treatment of Muslims who have converted to Christianity in a number of Islamic states.
As an advocate of inter-faith dialogue, Prince Charles has come under pressure to criticise the religious law that, campaigners say, has resulted in hundreds of executions in countries from Iran to Sudan.
Among the Christians at the confidential meeting was an Anglican archbishop from a part of Nigeria where Islamic Sharia law is enforced.
Others included the Bishop of London, the Rt Rev Richard Chartres, and the Pakistani-born Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali.
It is understood that the Muslim group, which included the Islamic scholar Zaki Badawi, cautioned the prince and other non-Muslims against speaking publicly on the issue.
It argued that Islamic moderates could have more influence on the traditional position if the debate remained largely internal.
A member of the Christian group said yesterday that he was "very, very unhappy" about the outcome."
Maybe ol' Chuckles isn't the dhimmi moron we always thought he was. Or maybe he's woken up after spending some quality time with some of his dad's Greek Orthodox relatives.
Religious hatred laws in the U.K.--Religious Vilification laws in Australia. Are they designed to keep Christains from possibly making intolerant remarks about Islam? Keep in mind that these laws do not apply to muslims of course. Because intolerance is part of their religion , wearing burkas to cover their face so you can`t see them on drivers licence is okay because it is part of their religion. The muslims can see themselves as victims because it is part of their religion i.e. deception. Oh and it is okay to commit jihads against Zionists and infidels because it is part of their religion. However I am lost on this one --- Whatever happen to separation of church and state in the USA -- Why are muslims being allowed to teach their religion in Americas public schools. And a christian child can be sent home if she is caught wearing a cross on her neckless-- Am I missing something?
The gutless politicians will do anything to preserve their pot-o-gold pensions and Limo's
to work and back,Canada now has the NDP on side with the Islamists and Hamas by supporting a petition to release Ernst Zudel while he awaits deportation to Germany for his campaigns in Canada as a holocaust-denier and Aryan-Nation spokes-person.
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Below is a link to CAIR's petition to release Ernst Zundel as a victim of Canada's Security Certificate for deporting non-Citizens with suspected links to terrorism and groups endorsing genocide based on race or religion. Click on the link and scroll down to see the politicians that endorsed the freeing of a holocaust-denier.
Remember: CAIR is demanding Sharia-law in Ontario for Female Muslims.
http://www.caircan.ca/itn_more.php?id=A914_0_2_0_M
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Here is the reference to the signee's listed below
and by all means go ahead and send a email showing your disdain for their overt antisemitism
while collecting a salary from the taxpayers.
Just click on and then scroll down to the list.
http://www.zerra.net/freemohamed/news.php?extend.531
Take note that the NDP claims to fight for human rights in the Gay-marriage issue yet condones the overt antisemitism by Islamic groups
that use the Palestine conflict to kiil Israelis
in the West.
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ENDORSED BY:
Members of Parliament and Political Figures
1. Jack Layton (MP, Toronto-Danforth), NDP Leader
2. Ed Broadbent (MP, Ottawa Centre), NDP Critic for International
Human Rights
3. Joe Comartin (MP, Windsor-Tecumseh), NDP Critic for Justice
4. Alexa McDonough (MP, Halifax), NDP Foreign Affairs Critic
5. Bill Siksay (MP, Burnaby-Douglas), NDP Critic for Citizenship
and Immigration
6. Carolyn Parrish (MP, Mississauga-Erindale), Independent
7. Daniel Turp (MNA, Mercier), Parti Quebecois
8. Flora MacDonald, former Foreign Minister of Canada
9. Warren Allmand, former Solicitor-General of Canada
REMEMBER: It was Arab and Muslims that gloated about the lack of security that allowed the 9/11 hijackers to roam freely in the USA and take flying lessons,now they bitch when the West tries to avoid another 9/11 style attack by the Muslims that harm the peaceful,tolerant image of Islam through terrorism.
They can't have it both ways,watch how fast they demand profiling at airports when the Islamists start bombing the moderate Mosques in the USA and hundrens of Muslims are killed every month.
Charles Moore may very well be ,at the present time,the most clearvoyabt person in Great Britain.
We must show him ,in any way we can,our total admiration and support.
I just hope he will not become the target of islamic hatred,and Britain`s own Van Gogh.
John Polubiski, I'm with you.
Also, four ringing cheers for Charles Moore. It is simply appalling how the PC culture of our times is both disarming Western civilization while opening the doors for its enemies.
As for Prince Charles, I'm surprised and pleased. For a long time, his flirtations with Islam made me feel that it was all for the best that the government of George III refused to listen to Edmund Burke, the Evangelical Party in the Kirk of Scotland, and other voices urging a modus vivendi with us rebellious colonists.
However, I wish His Royal Highness the best of a kindly Providence (I don't believe in luck) in convincing the mullahs that killing apostates isn't cricket.
"So here we have a body with activists who support the killing of Israeli Jews, telling people in Britain that they must stop displaying religious intolerance"
Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Hail Charles Moore! I hope MI5 is keeping tabs on the extremists in this country to the extend they will have been nipped in the bud. Though as we have seen it only takes one psychotic who 'follows islam' to murder this courageous man.
Going on from Charle's stance if say "Islam is the a hallucination of a pshyotic mind." Can I be locked up under this new law?? Is this not blatant gagging of free speech??? Will I have to fight for my right to express. Oh how sorry I feel for followers of Mohammed. Islamaphobia; moderates are afraid of the exteremists. Lock me up , let scream at the top of my lungs, we will not surrender.
Gadaffi: "Turkey is a trojan horse for Islamisication of Europe". Blimey, Gadaffi - that is the best metaphor to desribe the threat of literal interpration of Islam.
MERRY XMAS!!
I think we should all take time to e mail the Sunday Telegraph to congratulate them, and encourage them to keep up the good work.
Letter to Charles Moore
readrel@telegraph.co.uk - reader relations
Dear Mr Moore,
Thank you very much for your excellent recent articles on islam.
Please rest assured that there are thousands of people who support you.
It is good to know that a major Uk newspaper is willing to tell the truth and refusing to bow to political correctness.
Congratulations also on raising the issue of Apostacy in your paper, and the death penalty.
The usual allegations of "racism" against those who are willing to speak against this most odious "religion" are being shown to be false.
I am of Indian origin and I can assure you I am not a BNP/KKK supporter !
Would it be possible for the Telegraph to publish an english translation of the koran from a respected source ?
Once again
Thank you
Apostate_islam
PS. Please visit this site www.jihadwatch.org