Holland: MPs slam integration plan for Dutch people

The bizzare pretzel like twisting to accomdate the unreasonable. Tragi-comic is the word, I believe.

Here's to hoping that after this bout of trial-and-error, the dutch will find balance and equilibrium in sanity and do the right thing - forcibly assimilate muslims; strip citizenship from and deport those who violently resist.

This should also make it easier for other EU nations to emulate since the 'enlightened and tolerant' ducthc are doing it.

Absolutely incredible is right. As well as being elitist.

The idea that native Dutch citizens should be forced to take an integration course in how to become Dutch is insulting and bizarre.

The utopian ideology that multiculturalism is a part of is an end in itself. Like the communists these multiculturalist policy makers think that if you try hard enough a failed ideology will finally work. In this case (as always)the ideology isn't seen as faulty, it is the people in it who are seen as defective. The ideology will work if we change the people in society so they love multiculturalism, the ideologues reason.

Multiculturalism only works when two (or more) cultures can reciprocate each others tolerant behaviour, otherwise it fails. These mad policy makers will only accept that multiculturalism has failed when numerous people have died and Europe is in flames. It is the same history story with all ideologies. It is all insanity.

Thank you Obl r us for your true words

MultiKulti yes, Muslims NO!

This is really madness! Sick! Beat these people out of government by bashing them over the head with the Qu'ran.

Since I haven't been to Holland for 10 years now tell me: Is it true that the Muezzin are allowed to call from the Minarets 5 X a day per loudspeakers?

If I was living in such a neigburhood I guess I would either be a counter-terrorist or dead. I just can't imagine!

"...government plans to force Dutch people with a low education to undergo integration courses...".

The key here is Dutch citizens with a "LOW EDUCATION". Translate that into practice and you will see those who have excaped brainwashing in the Euro-dhimmification centers,the school system, will be rounded up for multicultural Islamic 'Reprograming'.

(A Clockwork Orange 1971)
http://www.moviesonline.ca/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=718

For our friends from the Netherlands, rprograming in A Clockwork Orange:

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/4225657244488645.JPG?0.5534935597217129

Excaped=escaped, I guess they would be looking to round me up for reprogramming!

"MPs of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende's Christian Democrat Party (CDA) said the integration course and examination should apply only to non-Dutch speakers."

And they added: "Didn't anyone notice the abominable grammatical errors in the text of the letter that was left with Theo van Gogh's body?

It's an outrage that needs to be stopped, and we believe that this plan, albeit with some modifications, will do just that.

MUSLIMS SEEK TO HALT BROADCAST OF "SUBMISSION" IN DENMARK:

A group of Muslims has reported two Danish broadcasters to the police for airing the film Submission by murdered film-maker Theo van Gogh.
Danmarks Radio and TV2 showed the film, which examines abuse against Muslim women, and put clips in news bulletins.
Lawyer Laue Traberg Smidt, representing the group of 20 Muslims, said they were "deeply offended" by the broadcasts.
Danmarks Radio said police had yet to approach them about the complaint. Van Gogh, 47, died in Amsterdam last month.

'Massive coverage'

In an open letter to police, Mr Traberg Smidt said the channels' "massive coverage of the case and its repeated use" of excerpts "seems rather an attempt to contribute to a confrontation and whip up a sentiment against Danes of Muslim faith".
The lawyer said he represented a group of Danish Muslims, who wanted to remain anonymous "because they are afraid of unpleasant (reaction) in the current atmosphere".
Spokespeople for both channels denied the claims.
"We are not airing clips from the film to feed on sensationalism or to offend those who have been offended by it (the film)," said Danmarks Radio news director Lisbeth Knudsen.
"We show these clips to put the debate over limited or unlimited freedom of speech into perspective."
Van Gogh was shot and stabbed to death after receiving death threats following Submission's first broadcast on Dutch television in August.
A 26-year-old Muslim has been arrested and charged with killing van Gogh.

That's a BBC story, by the way:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4073059.stm

"The lawyer said he represented a group of Danish Muslims, who wanted to remain anonymous "because they are afraid of unpleasant (reaction) in the current atmosphere."

Yes, they will wait until they are of sufficient strength after the hudna before they throw all pretense of belonging to the host society out the window.

Once thay are a certain percentage of the population, watch out!

Meet Theo Van Gogh's killer:

http://it.news.yahoo.com/041130/38/31408.html

If this is the best that the Dutch can muster after a particularly gruesome assassination, then what can one say, but Europa Delenda Est? If they had any semblance of reason left, they would not only require the Muslims to attend integration classes, they would forcibly extirpate the customs by which maintain their "culture". No muezzins. But church bells will ring. No halal butchers. Want meat? You've got buy ours. Want to work? No Islamic dress. And so on.

Tolerance for Islam is the embrace of everything that Western culture has opposed; it is the expression of the opinion that we do not much care whether our own way of life continues. And trying to enforce this tolerance over and over, as though it will yield a different result the 186,974th time it is tried, is nothing but a textbook case of mental pathology.

Off topic but...

The BBC online has a segment that asks for viewers to send in photos for publishing on their website. This weeks segment is titled 'Your Europe: more of your pictures of what you think best represent European culture.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4075789.stm

I sent them a photo of a mosque mys sister took in France. Needless to say it didn't get published because it doesn't fit into their agenda...

***MUST READ***

EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE

Commentary by Mathias Döpfner (source: blackwaterusa.com via Internet Haganah)

[Matthias Döpfner, Chief Executive of German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in the daily WELT against the cowardice of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat. Hartmut Lau translated the article for us.
A few days ago Henryk M. Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true.]

Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to agreements.

Appeasement stabilized communism in the Soviet Union and East Germany in that part of Europe where inhuman, suppressive governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.

Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo and we Europeans debated and debated until the Americans came in and did our work for us. Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore 300,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, to issue bad grades to George Bush. A particularly grotesque form of appeasement is reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere by suggesting that we should really have a Muslim holiday in Germany.

What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians and directed against our free, open Western societies.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than the great military conflicts of the last century-a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by tolerance and accommodation but only spurred on by such gestures, which will be mistaken for signs of weakness.

Two recent American presidents had the courage needed for anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. Reagan ended the Cold War and Bush, supported only by the social democrat Blair acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic fight against democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China.

On the contrary-we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to the intolerant, as world champions in tolerance, which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy-because everything is at stake. While the alleged capitalistic robber barons in American know their priorities, we timidly defend our social welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive. We'd rather discuss the 35-hour workweek or our dental health plan coverage. Or listen to TV pastors preach about "reaching out to murderers." These days, Europe reminds me of an elderly aunt who hides her last pieces of jewelry with shaking hands when she notices a robber has broken into a neighbor's house.

Europe, thy name is cowardice.

An analysis on European jihadists:

"THE EUROPEAN BATTLEGROUND"

While Britain’s MI5 is looking for foreigners, al-Qaida is principally interested in Europeans. It appears as if American Muslims are considerably less susceptible to Islamist ideology and that the security problems facing the US originate from abroad. Not so across the Atlantic:

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?ID=10307

MORE ON THE EFFORT TO BLOCK THE BROADCAST OF "SUBMISSION" IN DENMARK:

This is an open letter by a Dutch publisher to the lawyer who is representing Muslims filing a lawsuit against Danish Radio (and television) for broadcasting Theo van Gogh's film Submission.
"We must side with the victim - not the legalists".

From Militant Islam Monitor:

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/339

"The enemy of surbversive thought is not supression, but publication; truth has no need to fear the light of day; fallacies wither under it..." Sir Stanley Unwin, publisher.

The bbc's attitude may be explained by this from today's MediaGuardian:
BBC boss Mark Thompson today a published his blueprint for the corporation's future, unveiling "painful" plans for the loss of more 5,000 jobs and warning the BBC needed to be financially fit to remain "the greatest force for cultural good on the face of the earth".

Have we a god complex do you think? As the b**b exists at vitual gunpoint

Mike:

Fantastic, heartening post (Commentary by Mathias Döpfner ). I must make a habit of checking out Internet Haganah.

I can tell you that Multiculturalism in Canada
only worked before the Government made it an Official Policy and in out Charter and Constitution.
Right now we have Muslims DEMANDING Sharia-Law
for their rules of conduct and cite the Charter
for their right to have the Quran superceed the
Laws of the land. The City I live in has had a string of unbalanced budgets and 85 percent of the 8 Billion dollars they collect goes to salary and benefits,there are people hired to help in providing services and printed material in as many as 16 languages at which only one is the only one of the two National languages.
Some areas have several communitity Centre's
because each group wants to employ "Their-People"
that speak their language,immigrant welcoming
Centre's are the same,the City is expected to give grants to a multiple of groups needing their own buildings and staff that speak their language.

There's nothing wrong with communities holding
events or teaching their children about their history or the language,but schools are now expected to be everything to everyone and performence no longer measures the students ability to be employed in the Englished based job market.
30 years ago this problem showed up in my school
when non-English speaking new-comers were pushed through the system with false grades,I know this because I asked a teacher why my hard work and studying got a a lower grade than the student that knew little English and couldn't read the examine questions. The teacher told me that the system couldn't handle the holding-back of foreign students so they were instructed to hand out passing grades since they would end up getting jobs in their cultural neighbourhoods
anyway and that was THEIR problem.

Hollands attempt to make all citizens suffer because it doesn't have the guts to put the blame where it belongs will cost the taxpayers a bundle
and only hurt the Social services meant to help people adjust to the Dutch values.
Canada has been through it already and we have massive unemployment problems in minority communities from their self-segragation and willful desire to exclude themselves from about
75 percent of the job-market.

NO MULTICULTURALISM - KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOUR

"Or listen to TV pastors preach about "reaching out to murderers."
MIKE that was an excellent post and all i would like to add is the culpability of the Media in aiding the appeasement of slug like politicians in GLAMORISING terrorism ove the last thirty years.
terrorists have become media stars in a sick alternative Holywood world.
Ever since the glorification of Arafat, the red Brigades, the IRA etc, the actions of these murderers have been fawned over and eulogised by the left wing media.
Arafat sanitised in the media washing machines got a NOBEL prize. and soon the BBC et al will do the same for Barghouti and eventually even ZARQAWI perhaps the most evil sadist of all will be spruced up for the public eye.

Missing the point dept,
Not such a bad idea when given a little thought
The government plans to force Dutch people with a low education to undergo integration courses.
It is mainly from this group [people with a low education] that muslim come from

The integration courses were for Dutch people with less than eight years of education. Since education is mandatory until the age of 16 and has been for ages that should rule every Dutch person out unless they're really old. I also assume the eight years means just eight years and not that they've had to actually pass eight grades by the time they're 16. If they actually have had to pass eight grades that would exclude virtually every Dutch person except the very stupid. In the worst-case scenario therefore the beloved immigrants will be able to take their integration courses with the very old and/or very stupid. I imagine, however, that political sensitivity will at least spare the very old, which leaves the very stupid and the immigrants. All you have to do then is (1) add the clausal that if you fail the test you have to leave and (2) make the test very very very difficult. That will solve all our problems and get rid of the very stupid Dutch in the bargain, pains in the ass in their own right!

Ala sux:

Multi Kulti is OK, don't you think? In Australia overall no problem: Here we have Indians, Chinese, Lao, Vietnamese... in short all peoples and races from all over the world. They all find their place, and we all get along well...

But then you find -even the smallest- group of Muzzies coming in, the first thing is they build a mosque and engage an Imam. The next thing is Imam insults each and every one in his host country with his demands. By ridiculing the customs and religion of the community he makes sure that everyone knows "his Allah is better than mine" and so on and so on...Then the Multi Kulti becomes a worry...

And there are always plent suckers who tell me that George W. is the one we should be afraid of, since he is a "fundamentalist Christian with the finger on the trigger..."

True, in Holland there are virtually no problems with Hindu's, Chinese etc., but the muslims are a major pain along with the negroes unfortunately.

The Dutch need to 'reassess'. The Muslim immigrants need to 'reassess'

The Dutch Parliament needs to 'invite' all naturalized new 'citizens' from the Muslim world to leave Holland and to go on a hadj to Mecca, where they can consider whether they wish to live in the Infidel West.

All non-citizens should be 'sent' on the hadj, as a way to examine their souls for any complicity in the jihadist war against their host country or the West, in general.

While they are meditating in Saudi Arabia, new immigration laws can be quickly crafted to screen any who wish to return, with a loyalty oath to be administered at the border, whereby anyone desiring to live in The Netherlands will thereby swear their loyalty to the Dutch secular state and its laws "above all other oaths, laws or allegiances".

Period.

Sharia law would forbid the immigrants of Islamic lands from honestly taking this 'profane and insulting affront to their faith'.

And the Dutch could start replacing the empty mosques with something more useful.

Bike stalls, street musicians, art museums, coffee shops, libraries, statues of Theo Van Gogh, and beautiful parks where bare-headed kids can play.