Democracy in Iraq update. From the Washington Times, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
BAGHDAD — The radical Ansar al-Sunnah Army and two other terrorist groups issued a statement yesterday, warning Iraqis not to vote in the Jan. 30 election because democracy is un-Islamic."Democracy is a Greek word meaning the rule of the people, which means that the people do what they see fit," the groups said in a warning. "This concept is considered apostasy and defies the belief in one God — Muslims' doctrine."
Democracy leads to passing un-Islamic laws, such as permitting homosexual "marriage," if the majority agrees, the terrorists said.
After the warning was issued, all 700 employees of the electoral commission in Mosul, Iraq, resigned, the Arab satellite channel Al Jazeera reported.Farid Ayar, spokesman of the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq, said he was not able to confirm the Al Jazeera report.
Come January, there's going to be a hell of a lot of infidels in Iraq then Osama (heheheheh).
These cockroaches really don't want this election to happen do they.
Know why that is???
Because they know it will spell the begining of the end for islamic fundamentalism as they know it. I'm not saying it will vanish overnight, or even totally. But it will change.
Take Afghanistan. After decades of oppressive rule and persecution from the turbinators, they now have women voting and with presidential candidacies. Afghanistan is now as much of a democracy as it's ever going to be.
Think , they've got the first true taste of freedom they've ever had, most of them have lived their entire lives under islamic oppression.
Whats the odds that a large number are going to start looking at the root cause of that and realising that it's all down to islam itself, making it not look so regal anymore.
I know most of them are so devout they pray before they piss, but come on they're only human (well some of them), they want to have fun like us don't they. How long is it going to be before they start saying "fuck islam, I wanna be a christian and get smashed on booze"...???
This may be a bit of an overly positive way of looking at things, and I'm no fool, I'll still be on gaurd, but I really am optimistic about this.
This is not good. "all 700 employees of the electoral commission in Mosul, Iraq, resigned."
Not good. I'm afraid we're going to have a situation like Weimar Germany.
Islam trumps any nationalism as far as commanding the loyalty of the people. The extent to which the new government can hold the loyalty of the people will determine its, and their, future.
I'm hopeful, but not optimistic.
Best to all,
Rebecca
It looks kind of to me like they just legitimized the USA position. As in it won't just be a "puppet" government installed by the USA. But the:
"rule of the people, which means that the people do what they see fit," the groups said in a warning.
Rebecca:
Keep in mind that the report of 700 defections from the electoral commission in Mosul came from Al Jazeera, you may want to check and confirm that report from another source.
Taking power away from the mullahs and ayatollas and imams and putting actual decision making, actual control over ones individual life into the hands of everyday people, is soooo un-islamic! Allah forbid!
What would these people do without the theocratic rule that has advanced their civilization to such a pinacle of human achievement?
(sarcasm off)
Who would ever believe Al Jazeera without first checking into their story? Freedom of the people, for the people, by the people!
Of course it is Un-Islamic; they will tell you that Iraq must be ruled by Allah(God) which in reality is a flesh and blood demogogue,despot,or dictator, because it is all about power and control over the masses.
It represents why Islam and the middle East countries have fallen back so far from western civilization, let alone denying half of their population (women) to be a resource for growth,development, and prosperity in the world.
And watching these insurgents coming in from either Iran, or Iraqi Sunnis` always reminds me of the phrase: FOOLS RUSH IN. And in the end ,those insurgents who survive will be receiving nothing but misery for themselves and their families.
What an Irony ,millions have died in the defence of freedom throughout the world and these people are willing to die so that they can have a country that takes away their rights and their
FREEDOMS was of course the last word there, to bad that freedom from despots,dictators and demogogues is not the first and last word in the teachings of the so-called "religion of peace".
One hour into the new year here in Indonesia,and the mood is not is not much for partying.
Just seen on the news that the USA has increased the aid for the disaster here,from $35million to $350 million.That’s a wonderful,wonderful start to 2005
No matter how much I slag the USA it is still the best there is
They proclaim that voting is "un-Islamic" because clerics have determined that Democracy is atheism and Islamists believe that creating national allegiances in the Muslim world would hinder their goal of a return to the Caliphate. Creating a Democratic Iraq would thus be backpeddaling, regardless of the sentiments of Iraqi Muslims, the majority of whom are Shia, apostates to them.
"Taking power away from the mullahs and ayatollas and imams and putting actual decision making, actual control over ones individual life into the hands of everyday people, is soooo un-islamic! Allah forbid!
What would these people do without the theocratic rule that has advanced their civilization to such a pinacle of human achievement?
(sarcasm off)
Posted by: crusader rabbit at December 31, 2004 12:17 PM"
Rabbit, you bet--here's what the Ayatollah Komeini himself had to say about this:
"Those who oppose the mullahs oppose Islam itself; eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years. It is only the mullahs who can bring the people into the streets and make them die for Islam--begging to have their blood shed for Islam."
SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN FOR '05!
HAPPY NEW YEAR, ALL!
Shiva:
I think America was smart in starting with a low initial aid package. Had they proposed too large a package to start with it may have ended up discouraging other countries from making larger aid contributions. The aid now is jumping up to over 450 million in U.S. dollars. Also American companies and private volunteers will contribute at least another 100 million in support with much needed equipment and expertise in the coming week without question.
Indonesia is now reporting that they may have a death toll that reaches 400,000 lives alone.
Democracy leads to passing un-Islamic laws, such as permitting homosexual "marriage," if the majority agrees, the terrorists said.
Now, where have I heard this before? Sounds familiar.... oh yes. I heard it like this:
Democracy leads to passing un-Christian laws, such as permitting homosexual "marriage," if the majority agrees, the bible-thumpers said.
My oh my. What a coincidence.
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Rikki et al., what are "we" going to do when the "democracies" of Afghanistan and Iraq VOTE IN forbidding to let women vote? What about when the VOTE IN complete Sharia? What will "we" do about that?
What if they VOTE IN starting a nuke program to hit Israel?
What if they VOTE IN Bin Laden as their president? Don't think it can't happen. If Pakistan wasn't under military dictatorship (and boy am I glad that they are) they WOULD vote in Bin Laden as president.
Go to the library to look at the canon of democratic texts, like John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, where you'll find one of the precepts of liberty is that there is majority rule--and-- protection of the right of the minority. Mill explains clearly, and it's easy to understand without explanation, that the "tyranny of the majority" is not democracy or liberty in any legitimate sense. So forget the carping.
What if they VOTE IN Bin Laden as their president?
Liberals always use the "what if" argument to counter reality with fantasy scenarios.
OK, so then we can get the hell out of there and watch the meltdown.
And "what if" they actualy establish a working democratic government? Why, George might be right! Liberal nightmare!
Well, if they don't want democracy, then we shake the dust off of our boots knowing we gave it our best shot, and we leave. At least we will get our men and women home and we can move on. Messing with the animals of islam was a big mistake, but at least we tried. Screw 'em.
Happy New Year everyone.
CUBED
We must follow Ayatollah Komeini's 'words of wisdom' and get rid of every mullah,ayatollah and Muslim Cleric! Have always believed they are 'root' of problem - we may have to dig 'em up and bury the Bastards.
Am cautiously optimistic about Afghanistan which ACTUALLY HAS A WOMAN IN CABINET DESPITE DEATH THREATS MADE AGAINST HER BY TALEBAN DURING VOTING...
It would be WONDERFUL if Iraq became a DEMOCRACY for THEIR sake and OURS!!Unfortunately the lure of Second Richest Oil Reserves and many Terrorists
already in a Iraq cast doubt and shadows over this happening. Bright note is majority Shias HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO VOTE BY THEIR UNISLAMIC CLERICS.
December 31, 2004
Why are all the Mulsums stopping the Aid to help the victims of the killer wave??
Seams it is the mulsums who are cheep?
Qatar only 10 million
Libya only 2 million
Saudis only 10 million
China only 60 million
Portugal 10 million this is a big gift they are a poor country but proud!!
Arab countries prove to be cheep?? Weak as water!!
Most killed in Indonesia a mulsum country looks like over 80,000 and who did these people follow but ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY ] and his MONSTERS and like Bam Iran has brought them Death!!
Israel sends doctors and Medicine to help the Victims of the KILLER Wave[an act of God] Hope the mussis remember in their Book 5:32 [and could this be why they are cursed because they raise a hand against the people of the BOOK??
5:32 Those who would kill a Jew is as if they have killed all MANKIND; And those who save a life is as if they have saved ALL MANKIND
How much foreign aid cam to help Americans Rebuild in Fla from the storms there???
Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the people of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease. And for those to whom the Scripture Book has been given, and the believers, there should be no doubt. The unbelievers may say, ‘What does the Lord intend by this?’ The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases, and He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
This can be broken by Yes it is the Army of the people of the Book who he has chosen to Free [USA] the Iraqi people as it says
He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
Yes he has chosen the USA!!
TO FREE THE IRAQI PEOPLE FROM THE MONSTER saddam [FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD]
And let’s look at another part?
The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases,
Ubl,saddam,zawari,all who Kill and destroy mankind?
There will be no more warnings?
Earthquake in Iran kills 30,000 who harbors ubls son and wife’s??
And now Locus in Egypt
NOW IF THAT IS NOT TELLING YOU ARE ON THE WRONG PATH NOTHING WILL??
Kazakhstan Blast in mine??
Islamic terrorist- killing Iraqis??
Earthquake in Algeria??
The typhoon in Philippines Remember they ran away from the Fight in Iraq??
http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1104-insight-Pink+Locusts+from+North+Africa-status-15-newsID-503.html
Pink Locusts from North Africa Swarm Through Cairo
Publish Date : 11/18/2004 5:09:00 PM Source : Science and Technology News Onlypunjab.com
Swarms of pink locusts swept through the Egyptian capital on Wednesday, evoking the biblical description of the plagues which struck in the time of Moses.
The swarms of millions flew high above tall towers or swooped down onto treelined streets, where scared pedestrians stamped
on them or ran for cover.
The flying insects arrived from neighboring Libya after devouring the countryside in central and western Africa in past months.
YES I SAY ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] is losing and trying to regain control??
What verses did he say in his rambling and to say about the people of the book??
The people of
the book didn’t lose their crops??
Now Earthquake of mulsum Islands of Indonesia?? 9.3 and afterwards mass killer waves that effect many countries?/
Who is coming to the aid of the people But the Red Cross and India to help the people and Israel and the USA and the Western countries!!
80,ooo, mulsusm killed in Indonesia alone?? Whole mulsum towns gone??
We are waiting for the mulsums to help other mulsums?? Or with all the fund raising they do help people instead of making war??
Night club fire at a disco in Bonus Arias 147 dead door locked I smell Mussis??
3 50.cal found near a creak Near Fort Riley??
Saw in some places in Asia the Tourist are back on the Beaches and having Good Time!! Not all was taken out by the Killer Waves mostly mulsum areas hit??
We know many of the dead Forgiens dead in aisa were against the USA and Friends FREE-ING the Iraqi People??
49 Islamic Terrorist Arrested in Iraq!!
Why are the Mulsums in Indonesia stopping the Aid to the People??
In Speech China brages how much money they have made and are now a rich country but only gave 60 million to help??
Israel sends ton’s of medicine to help the Victims!! And Doctors I call that saving MANKIND!! Saw where they had been and the smiles of the People was good to see!!
Koffi said he has envy for Powell returning to Private life???? HUH??
What about Food for oil?? The 20 billion Koffi?? Say 121,000 dead mostly mulsums?? THEY MUST BE FOLLOWING THE WRONG ROAD???
Ramsey Clark [Jimmy Carters Boy] to be saddam[ YELLOW COWARD FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A COWARD WHO KILLED HIS OWN PEOPLE] lawyer in Iraq??
40% OF ALL National disaster aid came from the American People and that does not count all the NGOs that Americans give to??
San Fran wants to Ban Hand Guns?? Not good?? Well there were over 400 car accidents in Calf this week alone should they outlaw CARS??
New Asylum Laws cause a flood to the Canadian Border??
Kuwait ups security around Americans and Foreigners after America gives warning?? You would thing that they heard what the MONSTER SAID THEY SPEAK THE SAME language???
Sudan signs another cease Fire??
NC Vets say nothing wrong with the Rescue dogs use at WTC!!
Murders up in city’s where mussis have moved to??
May God Bless you and ALL yours for the New Year may he make Wisdom and Sight of this Evil come to ALL and Keep You Strong and Safe Amen
Hope everybody has their Black-eyed peas!!
Me I have Mississippi Caviar?
Black Eyed peas, Jalapenos, Red peppers, garlic, onions, olive oil, lemon juice, Use corn chips and have a Great New Year!!
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Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Crush ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat give the World Courage to Stand and Fight Amen
http://www.arab2000.net/wnewsDetails.asp?id=17333&cid=25
For those of you that followed the antisemitic rants by the CIC President listed below,he's reared his ugly bigoted face of Islam and now feels free to return to his favorite past time of Jew-Bashing and blaming the USA for all of the social ills within Islam.
Dr.Elmasry's diatribe at the link up top seems to take both sides of the issue,his twisted logic and incongruous thought patterns appear to be that of a pathetic man bent on promoting the genocide of all Jews on Earth and to wipe Israel off the map.
Elmasry's CIC and CAIR-Canada are demanding that the Government respect the Quranic orders for them to be ruled by Shariah-Law while living in Canada. He is the exact reason for American Muslims being checked at the border upon returning from the Islamic conference and Infidel Hate-fest that used December 25th to hold a anti-Christian seminar to show Muslims that Jesus was only one of Allah's Prophets and not the Messiah
as the followers thought.
Below is the contact information so the CIC and Elmasry can hear the disdain for the Islamic tripe that claims to be based on Peace and Tolerance.
BTW,JihadWatch has a archived story from about late October thru November to show how he got away with a public statement that "All Israelis over 18 are valid targets for murder by suicide bombers since they're part of a National campaign against Palestinians".
How ironic that Muslims can't see that the psychological terrorism they inflict by the threat of "Jihad" for offending them only feeds into the wellfounded fear that they will resort to killing non-Muslims if they're demands aren't met.The Police still haven't enforced our "Hate-Law" against Elmasry,even after CAIR and other Islamic groups demand it for comments made by non-Muslims.
CONTACTS:
Dr. Mohamed Elmasry,
(519) 888-4567 Ext. 3753 (O),
(519)746-7928 (H),
(519) 577-2267 (Cell),
e-mail: np@canadianislamiccongress.com
Mrs. Wahida Valiante,
(905) 881-8024,
e-mail: nvp@canadianislamiccongress.com
For French media:
Dr. Mohamed Nekili,
(519) 885-8140
e-mail: mohamed.nekili@sympatico.ca
NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE