Islamic Jihad militants open fire at Jewish settlers

When is the coin going to drop?

The only two-state solution acceptable to any of the Palestinian factions consists of Palestine East and Palestine West with no Jewish entity anywhere.

Spencer: When is a civilian not a civilian? When he is a settler.

Muslim: When is a civilian not a person?
When he is a Jew.

Muslim: When is a terror act not an act of terror?
When it is committed against Israel. [Actual resolution of the Arab League.]

Kofi Annan, about to hv his sorry ass handed to him by the US congressional probe, set out to belatedly make amends and incorporated this 'UN reform committee' that's submitted a report that finally defines terrorism without 'ifs anf buts' - i.e. against the opposition of the arab league who say that freedom fights and legitimate resistance cannot count as terrorism.

Too bad for both of them. Not only will terrorism be belatedly properly defined by the UN (that would make all of this jihadi fundraising by palestinian groups in US univs illegal under 'int'l law' - that liberal shibboleth) but Kofi will still hv his ass handed to him.

Oh, Sweetness!

Anti-jihad photo of the day (scroll all the way down to the bottom):

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/

Surely there are easier ways to get your hands on a box of raisins...

The only two state solution will require the resettlement of the 'palestinians' back into Jordan, per the original UN agreement in the 40's.

There is no historical or moral reason to consider allowing these mutts to settle into the the Land of Israel.

It makes me sick that Fisher, the German greeny/ foreign minister, went to Arafats grave and stupidly went through the motions, as if there was anything to be sorry about!

The Phallustinios are easy to please: Any sucker that gives them money (or weapons) is welcome. In that case they would even deal with a Jew.

Fisher should know his obligations. His resposibilities are not with the Phallustinios. Arafat attacked the Germans not only at the Olympics, but there were quite a few hijacks involving Germans and german aircraft.

Opening fire on Jews in the Gaza Strip?

That makes sense. This is the area where the Israelis are making a "unilateral" withdrawl from "Palestine". Some settlers are opposed to leaving, so why not shoot at them to make them angrier? How can any Lefty media moron posibly spin THIS violence as being caused by a "desire for a Palestinian State"? Frustration that there is no progress in re-claiming "their" land? Fighting back with the only weapons they have?

Don't make me laugh. The vast majority of Southern Syrians (Palestinians) will not accept ANY border behind which Jews live free on Islamic land.

The Jihad against Israel is relentless and endless. Any further pullback -- Sharon's senile dementia is showing - may lead to a year, or even two or three years, of relative quiet, as Gaza is thoroughly digested, and then the whole process will begin again.

It is hard for Israelis to face reality. In not facing it, in not identifying what they face as a Jihad, they have done themselves and their own position a terrible disservice, and they have also confused the Europeans as to what it is that Europe faces. One can hardly fault them--it is not Israel's business to save the Europeans from their own folly, even as the E.U. does everything it can to de-legitimize the very idea of Israel. Still, one wishes that the sensible scholars of Islam -- there are some in Israel, though it too has all the problems that one finds in the larger Western world, including apologists, deniers, and the simply obtuse -- would be listened to by their own government, hellbent on believing there is a "solution" other than the one of holding onto every square inch and making life as difficult as possible for Arab Muslims until they leave.

The only way to prevent open warfare is to allow the Muslim Arabs to invoke "Darura" or the Doctrine of Necessity. And this can be invoked ONLY when the other side, the side of the Infidels, not only is overwhelmingly strong, but is seen to be obviously so -- so that no one can attack a Muslim state for its own reluctance.

And "Darura" is what now obliges many Muslim stats -- for example Pakistan -- to do more of the West's bidding, and change its course to the extent it must (gritting its teeth the while), because for now the West is more powerful. And it will always be more powerful, but it can be undermined from within where direct military attack would be impossible.

The Arab and Muslim states are incapable of producing the advanced technology, including the weaponry, of the West. But they can burrow from within, and eventually seize the arms of Western Europe. Is this possiblity, or even likelihood, being planned for now? Never mind Chirac and D. de V. and company -- what are the French generals secretly thinking, or talking about, amongst themselves and the rest of the French security establishment? Whatever they think of those coarse Americans, surely they realize who is the mortal threat to their existence, and who is their only potential ally or even savior.

Kofi Annan, about to hv his sorry ass handed to him by the US congressional probe...

YEAH! He should get in a LOT of trouble; his LIES caused the deaths of 1300 US Servicemen in Iraq! Oh...wait. That was someone else... sorry!

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Mike... I don't get it, the "box of raisins" joke. Why were you hanging around at such a b.s. propaganda website anyway... looked like 100% pure sputum.

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Hugh: "...Gaza is thoroughly digested, and then the whole process will begin again.

Except--can't we at least hope?--that by then any exchange of fire from "Palestine" into Israel will be an Act Of War and can be responded to as such?

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PEOPLE!!! Want to see something AMAZING? An example of why Israel survives in the face of overwhelming oppression? Go to israel21c.com and scroll down to the link with the laser-generated "virtual keyboard" just invented in Israel. (If I got the URL wrong the link is somewhere at today's israpundit site.)

Why is this being reported? I thought this happened
every 3 or 4 minutes in Gaza and the West bank.

Settler = legitimate target.

Militant = unemployed teenager with mmmmaybe 6-7 years of formal education under his kafia, thanks to the intifadah.

KJ: I think Mike's "raisins joke" comes from "Christoph Luxenberg's" recent attempt (auf Deutsch, alas) to interpret the Qu'ran as a Syriac book. This German Semitist apparently argues that since Syriac provided the literary exemplars from which Muhammad (or whoever the Qu'ran's first compilers were) worked, Syriac grammar and vocabulary should be used to interpret it. One of Luxenberg's findings is that the "virgins" promised to martyrs are really white raisins (note: in intertestamental and early Christian non-biblical apocalypses, grapes and their products figure prominently in descriptions of paradise, not only in Aramaic/Syriac writing, but also in Greek).

Luxenberg (a pseudonym adopted to avoid retribution from Muslims) also finds that a lot of the Qu'ran, when interpreted in the light of Syraic rather than Classical Arabic (of the Hadith and early Muslim commentators), it becomes surprisingly a lot less bloody, less critical of the Christians, and much closer to the New Testament (especially the Peshitto version, which was used by the churches of the Syria, 'Eretz Yisroel, and Mesopotamia--indeed, as far east as India and China). I understand from reviews that this is a "viel gruendlich" work of very painstaking phililogical scholarship. It was prompted by a long history of questions over Qu'ranic interpretation that have raged within and without Islam since Islam first appeared; certain early mosques in places like Syria, Egypt, and Iraq being oriented to Jerusalem rather than Makka; the comparatively late appaearance of Qu'ranic commentary; the "unorganized" character of the Qu'ran as it stands; and a host of questions that show that Islam really didn't suddenly appear "in the clear light of history", but has some rather murky origins.

I'm neither endorsing nor criticizing Luxenberg's work, for my skills in Semitic languages are limited to stumbling around clumsily in Biblical and prayer book Hebrew and Aramaic (portions of Daniel and Ezra are in Aramaic); and I used to have enough Syriac to write in a thimble (studied on my own).

KJ: I think Mike's "raisins joke" comes from "Christoph Luxenberg's" recent attempt (auf Deutsch, alas) to interpret the Qu'ran as a Syriac book. This German Semitist apparently argues that since Syriac provided the literary exemplars from which Muhammad (or whoever the Qu'ran's first compilers were) worked, Syriac grammar and vocabulary should be used to interpret it. One of Luxenberg's findings is that the "virgins" promised to martyrs are really white raisins (note: in intertestamental and early Christian non-biblical apocalypses, grapes and their products figure prominently in descriptions of paradise, not only in Aramaic/Syriac writing, but also in Greek).

Luxenberg (a pseudonym adopted to avoid retribution from Muslims) also finds that a lot of the Qu'ran, when interpreted in the light of Syraic rather than Classical Arabic (of the Hadith and early Muslim commentators), it becomes surprisingly a lot less bloody, less critical of the Christians, and much closer to the New Testament (especially the Peshitto version, which was used by the churches of the Syria, 'Eretz Yisroel, and Mesopotamia--indeed, as far east as India and China). I understand from reviews that this is a "viel gruendlich" work of very painstaking phililogical scholarship. It was prompted by a long history of questions over Qu'ranic interpretation that have raged within and without Islam since Islam first appeared; certain early mosques in places like Syria, Egypt, and Iraq being oriented to Jerusalem rather than Makka; the comparatively late appaearance of Qu'ranic commentary; the "unorganized" character of the Qu'ran as it stands; and a host of questions that show that Islam really didn't suddenly appear "in the clear light of history", but has some rather murky origins.

I'm neither endorsing nor criticizing Luxenberg's work, for my skills in Semitic languages are limited to stumbling around clumsily in Biblical and prayer book Hebrew and Aramaic (portions of Daniel and Ezra are in Aramaic); and I used to have enough Syriac to write in a thimble (studied on my own).

KJ: I think Mike's "raisins joke" comes from "Christoph Luxenberg's" recent attempt (auf Deutsch, alas) to interpret the Qu'ran as a Syriac book. This German Semitist apparently argues that since Syriac provided the literary exemplars from which Muhammad (or whoever the Qu'ran's first compilers were) worked, Syriac grammar and vocabulary should be used to interpret it. One of Luxenberg's findings is that the "virgins" promised to martyrs are really white raisins (note: in intertestamental and early Christian non-biblical apocalypses, grapes and their products figure prominently in descriptions of paradise, not only in Aramaic/Syriac writing, but also in Greek).

Luxenberg (a pseudonym adopted to avoid retribution from Muslims) also finds that a lot of the Qu'ran, when interpreted in the light of Syraic rather than Classical Arabic (of the Hadith and early Muslim commentators), it becomes surprisingly a lot less bloody, less critical of the Christians, and much closer to the New Testament (especially the Peshitto version, which was used by the churches of the Syria, 'Eretz Yisroel, and Mesopotamia--indeed, as far east as India and China). I understand from reviews that this is a "viel gruendlich" work of very painstaking phililogical scholarship. It was prompted by a long history of questions over Qu'ranic interpretation that have raged within and without Islam since Islam first appeared; certain early mosques in places like Syria, Egypt, and Iraq being oriented to Jerusalem rather than Makka; the comparatively late appaearance of Qu'ranic commentary; the "unorganized" character of the Qu'ran as it stands; and a host of questions that show that Islam really didn't suddenly appear "in the clear light of history", but has some rather murky origins.

I'm neither endorsing nor criticizing Luxenberg's work, for my skills in Semitic languages are limited to stumbling around clumsily in Biblical and prayer book Hebrew and Aramaic (portions of Daniel and Ezra are in Aramaic); and I used to have enough Syriac to write in a thimble (studied on my own).

Israel has been at war since Moses led his band of God-inspired conquerers into other neighbors' lands. The Old Testament God is what Mohammad borrowed to create his monotheistic master.

There is no hope for Israel as long as they remain
under the same vengeful Deity as the Muslim.

They are mirror images, and can do nothing but hate their exactly-same-believing reflections.

The Jewish people, secularly, have had some hard truth knocked through their own religious bigotry -after 2 plus millenia of seeing their "Chosen People" arrogance proved wrong, at least on Earth, since the Baylonian exile. The Muslims took over this same egomaniacal intolerance from the Torah, simply changing Jaweh to Allah.

I look at Israel and Palestine and see two sleepwalkers fighting over an imaginary pillow. To the death.

Whether Muslim "Palestinians" shoot at "Israeli" Gaza "settlers", the problem is that neither one can get out of their belief system of "I am given this dirt by God".

'God', as far as can be traced, didn't leave a will or land ownership titles. Only humans have forged such 'documents', and called them The Book. (Coincidentally, every group has one... all suspiciously similar in their claims... which would seem to make them more a case of The Grand Rationale than any teleological truth.)

The people of Israel- a land filled with cultured artists, scientists, musicians, agronomists, IT techs, inventors, poets, actors, professors, doctors, philosphers, archeologists, film-makers, etc., etc.- have mostly become secular, and will continue to suffer from their 'historical egotism' ("The Chosen") until their can convince their Muslim opposite numbers to 'get some secularism' of their own.

This doesn't seem possible, because the followers of Islam don't have to restrain themselves, with a billion more members than Judaism (the only thing that likely constrained the Jews from moving on from their rampaging through Biblical Canaan and on to other land grabs, after the Exodus. Taking Persia, Turkey, Egypt, North Africa, Afghanistan, Indonesia, etc. The pattern was set by the Old Testament God of Anger. ("I give you free reign to plunder in my name!")

Islam merely implemented this 'Bad News'.

I see nothing ever coming out of Israel but Frick forever fighting Frack and Tweedle-demented warring with Tweedle-dumb-as-a box-of-rocks.

Absolute Certainty wrestling itself, using two host bodies to confuse the issue.

Forever and ever, Amen.

Profitsbeard:

You are forgetting a little something called the holocaust. Israel had to be created simply because the holocaust proved that Jews can NEVER rely on non-Jews for their survival. Israel, is, IMHO, making a bad mistake by giving up the Gaza Strip, but like all democracies that practice appeasement of Islamic Fascists, she will have to learn the hard way.

The basic reality of this conflict is that it is a struggle between two competing and non-compatible worldviews: The Jewish worldview of Jewish nationalism and the re-establishment of the historical Jewish homeland, on the one hand; and the Islamic worldview of Islamic conquest and empire, eventually encompassing the world. Peaceful compromise in the long term is simply not possible.

Profitsbeard:

You conveniently forget that the Old Testament warms Israel that if they practiced the same abominations as the Canaanites, they'd be spewed from the land, too. However, Israel hearkened not, and as a result, Jerusalem got burned by the Babylonians on the Ninth of Av, 586 B.C., and its people taken into exile (something we know from the losers' account). I see no corresponding sense in Islam that "we" can be in the wrong.

Then again, with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight and the God-inspired New Testament bound together with the God-inspired Old Testament, we now know that by dispersing the Jews, God was giving an opening for the Good News of the Messiah Jesus to enter every land (it went to the Jew first, as Paul says).

And before you loftily declaim against criminalizing whole nations (as God did with the Canaanites and Amalekites--although I can see no modern people under a similar divine ban), some of the things you and others say about Muslims suggests that you agree in principle that there can be whole peoples who have become so corrupt they need to be wiped away (what else did the "ecrassez l'infame" of your idol Voltaire mean?). And, do you disavow Rousseau's admonition that the "General Will" (sounds like some kind of idol to this Christian)allows men to be "compelled to be happy?" Those were Jean-Jacques Rousseau's own words. One of the first practical uses of Darwin's theory of evolution back in the 19th century was to justify the subordination of non-white peoples in both America and in the spread of European colonialism. Seems like your enlightenment canon has in it the potential for some pretty nasty stuff, too.

I myself do not believe that the modern state of Israel represents the fulfillment of Bible prophecy (Jesus the Messiah is where you find that). However, it is also clear to me that given the history of Jewish re-immigration to 'Eretz Yisroel from even before Herzl, the situation of European Jewry after World War II, and what happened to Middle Eastern Jewry in the late 1940's and '50's, it was clear that a Jewish homeland in Jewry's historic patrimony was bound to happen.

Frankly, I get sick and tired of hearing the Prophets of Israel, who are the foundation of the entire Western self-critical tradition (their golden age was a few centuries before Socrates--that believer in judgement after death--was even born) derided by ignorant yahoos (that's Liberalese for the Greek "varvaros") for positing some kind of "harsh" and "primitive" deity. Genetic, sociological, and economic determinism seem a lot harsher to me, and you can't even pray to and argue with them (even though you'll lose, you can still argue with God, as Job shows).

Muslims celebrate DEATH in the way the rest of us
celebrate LIFE! Every good, positive thing such as laughter, music,pleasure is either denied or controlled by quotations from Qur'an. A joyless Death Cult of miserable Muslims who want to impose
their Disgusting habits and Stone Age laws on everyone else. And Palestinians seem even dumber,
more violent and miserable than the rest of 'em...

Mr. Hugh writes "The Arab and Muslim states are incapable of producing the advanced technology, including the weaponry, of the West".

Mr Hugh...they don't to...the West will give them all the arms they need. There is little doubt that this will happen in the next 30-50 years.

Over this time the muslim population in France/Germany/Britain for example will be the majority.... The muslim man works while the woman is a housewife and mother of a large family. It is a different model to the West and one that will change little...but is effective.

They will use the democratic process to get their man (and it will be a man)in. And when that happens soon they will (begin to) have their dreaded finger on the nucleur button. This scenario may happen in many countries in a short space of time (10 years after the first one).

So why go to all that expense and headache when you will aquire them anyway....let somebody else do the hardwork.

You all ridicule that over 70% of the degrees in the Saudi Universities are based on Islamic studies, and that they are useless. But THINK.... assuming the above is true....then this is the right thing for them to do. They will need these educated people to keep the European muslim on the stright and narrow path of the believers.

It is obvious, strategic, long term and it will happen. Now you may give me stinging rebukes on my analysis...and I am not saying these things with pride...but they will become facts.

...and you need to get used to them regardless of personal preference.

"Over this time the muslim population in France/Germany/Britain for example will be the majority.... The muslim man works while the woman is a housewife and mother of a large family. It is a different model to the West and one that will change little...but is effective. "

Not exactly, Naseem. A lot of those Muslim men in European/Western countries don't work. These days an awful lot of them, like the low-life who murder Theo Van Gogh, collect welfare and hang out in Wahhabist mosques. Or they are religious leaders sponging off their community and the state, like that Turk Kaplan, that Germany is trying to reclaim 180,000 Euros from and boot him out of the country.

Muslim men who moved to Europe to better their lives, do go out to work and, to further improve their families' standards of living and the education of their children have smaller families.

They used to talk about the "revenge of the cradle" (against the English) in extremely French Catholic Quebec (Canada), but French Canadians no longer have families of 10 or more. Instead, they now probably have the lowest birth rates in Canada.

"Muslim men go out to work..."?

Huh? I thought that's what dhimmis are for.

CornHolio:

Here in Toronto, yes, there are Muslim men and women who hold down jobs and have the same number of children as their non-Muslim neighbours, despite worshipping at their mosque and observing Muslim holidays including the Ramadan fast. They and/or their parents came to Canada pretty much for the same reason my Jewish great grandparents left Eastern Europe and came to Canada: for better economic opportunities, not to live on welfare.

Naseem seems to believe that all of her co-religionists who move to the west and continue practicing their faith do so by following the model of the husband going out to work and the wife staying home and raising large families. I don't have statistics to cite, but suspect that that is only true for a minority of Muslim immigrants to Canada, and I further suspect that that would apply to more recent immigrants and not the countless numbers who came to Canada 30 or more years ago.

I work in the life insurance industry and have a fair number of Muslim co-workers, male and female, young and nearing retirement age, who have come here from all sorts of places from Pakistan to Somalia and points in between. Very few of the women wear hejab; none of the men wear skullcaps. I see some young women attending university wearing hejab. Whether they will continue to do so in the less politically charged work environment on graduation is another matter.

Consequently, I cannot help but conclude that what is going on in Europe is not simply the result of a high birth rate among Muslim immigrants (which is true), but also an extremely low birth rate among western Europeans -- one that may not be keeping pace with the combined effect of an aging population and immigration to North America.

As for the chances of Muslims swamping the population of the US, today, David Brooks's op-ed in the NY Times on-line noted that the birth rate in the "red states" -- states that voted Republican, were significantly higher than the "blue states", so they may have a problem here.

Peace in the middle-east?

How could such a thing be accomplished in a land so far away?
In the Old Testament does Abraham (father of Isaac and Ishmail)not tell Hagar to leave with Ishmael(GE. 8-20) and later "Therefore the Lord Almighty says this:"Because you have not listened to my words,I will summon all the peoples of the north and my servant Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon," declares the Lord,"and I will bring them against this land and its inhabitants and against all the surrounding nations.I will completely destroy them and make them an object of horror and scorn, and an evrlasting ruin. I will banish from them the sounds of joy and gladness,the voices of the bride and bridegroom, the sound of millstones and the light of the lamp. This whole country will become a desolate wasteland, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years."But when the seventy years are fulfilled, I will punish king of Babylon and his nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt," declares the Lord,"and will make it desolate forever.I will bring upon that land all the things I have spoken against it,all that are written in this book and prophesied by Jeremiah against all the nations. They themselves will be enslaved by many nations and great kings;I will repay them according their deeds and the work of their hands.(JER. 25 8-14)

You see these are the people who would not listen then and THEY sure as HELL ARE NOT LISTENING now.

YKWH AKBAR

Battleofthe Pyramids/ Kepha1-

When Darwin is called God, we're all in trouble.

When any secularism is called God, the same
would apply.

Luckily, the non-religious rule of law (call it secular, call it human) guarantees not only freedom from having mullahs, rabbis, preachers, deacons, priests, etc. decreeing their beliefs as Truth and Absolute Earthly Law, but it also reigns-in any extremisms. Human or 'divine'.

The modern 'holocaust' was a tactical duplicate of the one that the ancient Hebrews visited on the people whom their God allowed them to exterminate (see a hell of a lot of the Old Testament... and, of course, there will be a rationalization that the doomed neighbors were "evil"... what do all conquerers say, after the fact?)

This conquering cruelty came around and hit the people of Israel again and again (Babylon, Rome, their 2 millenia diaspora) and finally had the demonic culmination in the technology used by the Nazi maniacs to mechanized mass-murder. ( "When Hell Was in Session". "The Scourge of the Swastika". ) Inhumanity is despicable, whether your ancestor did it, or it was done, in turn, to their children.

But, to be tormented because you have seperated your people from the 'unclean' neighbors (kosher laws, etc.)- who are not "Chosen" -is almost a predictable response from the despised 'unchosen'. This was a force for feeding the hatred of the anti-semitic attacks in the 'Christian' world. (People don't like neighbors who look down on them from a Cosmic perch of supernatural smugness.)

To understand why someone is victimized (Jews were easy pickings for scapegoating thieves under Hitler, Stalin, et al) is not to excuse either the Biblically condoned holy murder they practiced. Or the 20th century's political genocidal dementia carrying on the same sick rationale ("Aryan" "ubermensch" = 'chosen').

My point is- though the secularized and Reformed Jews wish to actually live in a country, not a "Holy Land", their root vision traps them into reacting to the attack of the Islamic fascists on Israel to often with a 'religious' answer ("God gave us this land.")

To which the Muslims have the EXACT SAME REPLY.

This is a circular folly, and leads to the same litany of endless persecution which history ("a nightmare from which I am trying to awaken") is the nauseatingly bloody record.

The Israelis would be better served saying:

"The U.N. gave us this country."

Because it is on paper, recorded on film, and part of the legal structure of the world.

'Palestinians' (the radicals being mainly Muslims, swept forward with the jihadi funding and encouragment) feel as luckless and persecuted as the 1920's Hebrew settlers and Zionists (illogically, in some respects, since they have an entire Muslim Middle East to emmigrate to, if simply to live in peace were their desire... a thing the pre-1948 Jews did not have the luxury of doing, with borders closed in every direction, for their escape, by anti-semites everywhere).

I know the facts. It is a centuries-long horror. I have utter symapthy for the plight of ther Jewish people. But they cannot use the religious formula to keep their freedom. They are outnumbered by another religious [Muslim] claimant.

They need to align with those who see their freedom fight in humane terms: as a small nation of attacked people- rich with artists, scientists, musicians, writers, historians, world-class scholars in all fields, etc.- struggling against the behemoth of Islamic extremism, which uses the puppet of Palestine to justify its reapolitik and Machiavellian methods.

Otherwise, it will be 'Zionists' trying to restore the Temple of Solomon and the 'Followers of the Prophet of Allah' battling to keep the Dome of the Rock mosque on the same real estate where they claim their holy man rode a horse to heaven.

Sensible people in the West (etc.) will not sympathize with Hebrew Bronze Age claims or a Muslim retrograde tyranny trying to extinguish a progressive beacon of creativity that the secular state of Israel has become. Against all of the odds.

What I am trying to do is give a friend some way out of the spiral of vendatta by using a different
tactic.

What would the world do without Freud? Or Jesus?
Or Einstein? Or Irving Berlin?

Or Lenny Bruce?

Mazeltov. & Happy Hannukah!

Sorry, Profitsbeard. Maybe God's choosing to speak through bronze age prophets ought to teach us moderns a little humility. Frankly, the best way out of the cycle of violence would be conversion to Christianity on both sides--however, given that God allows only persuasion; and we have no guarantees that the Holy Spirit intends to bless witness to these peoples, this is admittedly the slow, hard route.

Ziggy Freud, I fear, was just a dirty old man who happened to have and M.D. degree at a time when such things commanded a lot of respect. His disciples are the father confessors to a new religion, but don't seem to have much absolution to offer their faithful. Had Freud been around in Pythagoras' time and analyzed the work Pyth. was doing on triangles, the great mathematician would've been ashamed to be thought a sexually-repressed nut, and the world would've lost the pythagorean theorem.

I can do without Lenny Bruce, too, thank you. His foul mouth and self-destructive habits aren't exactly what I'd like to see in my sons; and the generation that rediscovered and idolized him seems to be a pretty self-destructive one, too. And, are such desperate souls (desperate in virtually everything they say and do) really as "liberated" as they claim to be? I doubt it.

Now Einstein I respect--perhaps because my father, alov hasholom, dated his second cousin once removed.

."But when the seventy years are fulfilled, I will punish king of Babylon and his nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt," declares the Lord,"and will make it desolate forever.I will bring upon that land all the things I have spoken against it,all that are written in this book and prophesied by Jeremiah against all the nations. They themselves will be enslaved by many nations and great kings;I will repay them according their deeds and the work of their hands.(JER. 25 8-14)

You see these are the people who would not listen then and THEY sure as HELL ARE NOT LISTENING now.

YKWH AKBAR

Posted by: Chuck at December 7, 2004 04:49 PM

Gold Star for you!!

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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Sight,Wisdom, and Courage to stay the course to Defeat ALL islamic terrorist and ALl who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat and give them Strength to Stand and Fiht Amen