So why was that crowd in the mosque? Why did they feel that was their place to be? Why did they "drift away" -- did the mosque leaders challenge them on their views of Islam? And perhaps most importantly, where did they go, and what are they doing now? From the Washington Post, with thanks to Nicolei:
Within a year, Yahya -- born Adam Gadahn to parents of Jewish and Catholic heritage -- had fallen in with a group of young men who prayed regularly at the mosque but also picked ugly political squabbles with the placid, middle-class congregation from the suburbs south of Los Angeles.Bundakji remembers the men as angry, rigidly pious, and hypercritical of any Muslim who adopted Western clothes or manners. But they were also bright, articulate and well educated. "Very convincing," Bundakji surmised, "to someone like Adam Gadahn."
Now, in hindsight, the mosque leader believes he may have witnessed Gadahn's second conversion -- into a radical Islamist.
This spring, more than five years after the Southern California native told his family he was moving to Pakistan, he resurfaced on an FBI list of seven alleged al Qaeda operatives wanted for possible involvement in plots against the United States. Now some intelligence sources say they believe Gadahn is the masked man seen on a videotape released just before the elections, warning that American "streets will run with blood."...
At the time, though, Gadahn was not the center's most troublesome new member. Bundakji, a gregarious man who emigrated to California from Jordan in the late 1960s to attend business school, had grown concerned about a group of seven or eight men who had begun attending prayer services a few years before Gadahn's arrival.
The men -- all in their twenties and thirties, most from Pakistan -- would spend hours at the mosque, praying in a circle and "supposedly studying Islam together," Bundakji said. They wore turbans, long robes and long beards, and they spent a lot of time criticizing other members of the mosque.
"They were very rigid, cruel in talking to people," Bundakji said. "They were radicals, super-orthodox." As mosque chairman, he emerged as a particular target of their wrath. They criticized him for wearing Western clothes, for not wearing a beard, for trying to reach out to local Jewish communities. Seizing on his American nickname, Danny, they circulated fliers around the mosque calling him "Danny the Jew."
Bundakji notes that the mid-1990s were a different era. For all their concerns about the young men, "we didn't think of terrorists or plotting." But the men's attitudes ran sharply counter to the friendly, interfaith face of Islam that Bundakji -- who proudly shows off photos of himself with both Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and former Israeli prime minister Shimon Peres -- and others at the Islamic Society had worked to promote. So Bundakji tried to disperse them.
"They never really did anything" for the mosque, he said.
By then, the men had drawn Gadahn into their circle. "The anger in his face became like theirs," Bundakji said.
One day in May 1997, Gadahn abruptly stormed into Bundakji's office -- "incited" by the other men, Bundakji believes. "He was screaming and shouting," though Bundakji says he does not know exactly why. And then he slapped the chairman with an open hand.
Gadahn was arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault, to which he later pleaded guilty, and was barred from the mosque for several months.
He returned briefly in early 1998. Bundakji said he tried to greet the young man but was rebuffed. And shortly thereafter, Gadahn and the rest of the group drifted away from the mosque.
seems the only way to stop radical muslims from the inside are by pitting them against even more radical muslims....
CIA
Amazing how quickly Imam's distance themselves from those BAD Muslims from that OTHER Mosque down the road. Last night I watched a Muslims show on TV about Sharia-Law being allowed in Canada and two guests argued for each side of the debate.
The final defenses for their positions were a real eye-opener,after all the examples of violence and oppression under Sharia-Law the proponents only response was that "We're Muslims first" and we live by the Quran and Allah's laws.
The claims or tolerance and pluralism under Islamic rule is all B.S. and this isn't the only time I've heard the "Muslim first" arguement,militant Islamists in England have made it clear as recently as last week that European Muslims are ordered by Allah to live by the Quran and claim the World for Islam to be ruled by Sharia-Law.
While I was impressed by a Canadian female Muslims Org. that protested the demands by CAIR to bring Sharia to Canada,a recent visit to their website shocked me since they posted a claim that they understood why Theo Van Gogh was killed and that Sharia-Law is different from the punishment
for defaming Islam or Muhammed.
This shows how sick some followers of Islam can be,females worried about Sharia-Law while they condone the Van Gogh murder by radical Muslims.
YES they are Muslims first,and that's why Islam must be stopped right now and pushed back to the pits of hell where it came from in the middle East hell-hole of terrorists and misogynists.
Looks like Pakis and Iran are involed together??
ubl[COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] between Paki & Iran we have Pakis and Iranians who are going to fight for the power and screw each other and of course they are useing the arabs who they both think are dirty for their money and their stupidity??
boy this is getting Funny?? The more the cry poor poor me??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight, and Courage to Stay the course to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat and give them Strength to Stand and Fight them Amen
Why indeed did the mosque leaders do nothing? The first jihadi from the neighborhood was Mr. Hadayet, who killed several people at the El Al counter at LAX on July 4th a couple years ago, an attack straight out of the terror handbook. The second was Adam.
Why indeed did the mosque leaders do nothing? The FBI might be interested in this cell. I can only hope that they are surveilling the mosque, but I doubt it--CAIR might object. They might be interested to know about Mr. Bundakji's connections with Rev. Moon. I'm serious--just Google Bundakji and Moon.
Why indeed did the mosque leaders do nothing? The local newspaper, the Orange County Register, prints puff piece after puff piece about CAIR and local Islamic leaders while omitting every radical statement made by these same people in Islamic papers and websites.
One word answer: taqqiya.
I get the impression that white non-arabs who become muslims and join their holy war are LOSERS! They have poor grades in school. They cannot hold jobs. They lack people skills. They hate how the world is treating them. They refuse self help or help themselves. They see islam as revenge. Both Johnny Walker and Richard Reid fit this description.
Obviously he got in with the wrong crowd because there was no "bouncer" at this mosque.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004144.php#comments
We have seen the same scenario happening over and over again...radical islamists emmerging from the many mosques that are festering on our neighbourhoods.
Keep an eye on every mosque and you will get the terrorists.
Every mosque that has been proven as being a terrorist nest should be permanently closed.
WE NEED MORE GOAT ROPERS??
Putin in Turkey??
1100 airport uniforms[surc] lost or stolen over a 9 mo. and 91 bages??
Whats is up in Canada some were actioned on E-bay??
Shooten good today!!
Lots of women on the range today!! Love to see that!!
The French are wondering what happen to the explovises the were useing for testing and now have decided not to use real planes for their test any more??
maybe their dogs should stay away from the stinki cheeze???
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Sight,Wisdom, and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Destory ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat and give them Courage to Stand and Fight Amen
PS
God Bless the Country who has Heros Amen
Pity the Country who needs them ??
All sounds like the truth to me.
Pre 9/11, most of America was sleeping, including this imam.
The key point is that islam has in the past and will in the future, generate terrorists,
islam IS THE PROBLEM
and until islam, as presently constituted, is eliminated, we will have no peace on this planet
Can islam be changed to be acceptable to the rest of the world ? I doubt it, thus islam is toast.
Lets plug in the toaster.
Reading the Qu'ran leads to tunnel vision, brain damage and aggressive and irrational behaviour. The proof is in the pudding!
catherine:
The idiots in Ottawa running our security are a bunch of bumbling morons,they boasted about spending 8 Billion dollars since 9/11 and still
many un-documented bogus refugees get accepted to Canada and pass security checks to be hired at our Airports.
The Government uses the bogus papers and recent entry to Canada as the basis for approving a resident refugee to have access to airplanes and baggage when they get a job at major Airports,even members of bike gangs get hired and
large drug busts have been made on planes coming from Jamaica with luggage removed on the tarmac
before it goes through customs.
Today on CNN our Liberal P.M. stated that it was America's fault for the 9/11 attack since the terrorists were already in the USA,he alluded to the Oklahoma bombing as a homemade terrorists but didn't know the new evidence connecting McVeigh
to a Saudi Islamist group he met during his Gulf war tour.
Most of the Politicians in Ottawa still don't know that 24 Canadians died on 9/11 and that the millenium bomber(Ahmed Rassem) was on welfare as a refugee in Montreal Canada for 5 years and planned to blow up the LAX airport as part of a plot manufactured in a local Montreal Mosque attended by Moroccan Muslim immigrants.
The plaque commerating the death of those Canadians is buried in a small reading room in the Parliament Buildings accessible only by Politicians,in fact this year not a mention of the deaths on 9/11/01 in 9/11/04 .
Our last P.M. fought for the release of a Al-Qeada kingpin being held in a Pakistani hospital
for his envolvement in using his orphanage donation to fund terrorism in the middleEast.
The Khadr family was welcomed back to canda with open arms and provides all the social benefits
for these yahoo's that were happy on the day the planes hit the WTC. The son Abdulahraman Khadr is sueing the Government for not re-issueing them more replacement passports so they can travel to the USA that they hate so much.
Here's the link to the eveidence about McViegh and the book "The third terrorist" that reveals how the FBI fumbled the case a hid the truth from Americans and western Muslims.
http://www.jaynadavis.com/