What was that again about the sanctity of the mosque? But take note: this is not pure hypocrisy. From the Islamic perspective, the Americans, being (mostly) non-Muslims, violate the sanctity of the mosques by entering them. But for Muslims to hold car bomb workshops in the mosque doesn't violate their sanctity: it is part of the jihad, which is a sacred activity. From Knight-Ridder, with thanks to Ruth King:
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A mosque raided by security forces in southern Baghdad contained a workshop to rig suicide car bombs, with seven vehicles ready for terror attacks, an Iraqi Defense Ministry official said Sunday.Car bombings and remote-controlled roadside blasts have become routine in the Iraqi capital in recent weeks, including a blast Sunday that wounded two U.S. soldiers.
National Guard forces raided the Sunni Muslim Al-Yassen Mosque in the southern Baghdad area of Abu Dshir on Saturday, said Gen. Saleh Sarhan of the Defense Ministry. In addition to seven cars pre-rigged with explosives, the guardsmen found 30 rocket-propelled grenades, high-powered rifles, mortars and remote control detonators, Sarhan said.
"The National Guard arrested the imam (religious leader) of the mosque," Sarhan said, and detained an additional 18 people suspected of involvement in the car bombings.
Anti-U.S. insurgents used some 60 mosques in the city of Fallujah, west of Baghdad, to stockpile weapons and provide cover during a U.S.-led offensive against the city earlier this month, the U.S. military says. One of the mosques was described as a general arms depot capable of equipping insurgents across much of Iraq.
And where is the BBC or CNN? How come this goes unreported?Why aren't these networks investigated as to where their money comes from? How much do the Saudis own of "our media?"
Remember 9/11? The first Arab to show up was Saudi prince Al Waleed, the biggest investor in the US. While offering Guliani a cheque for 10 million dollars (which Giuliani refused) his entourage handed out propaganda/ fliers: This all happened because of the "flawed policies" of the US in the Middle East.
Clear speak: Help us to destroy Israel and we will not attack you any more.
Even this incident was downplayed in the media, nobody made a big deal of it.
Al Waleed should have been tared and feathered right there and then, but he is still seen as a "friend of America"... with such friends we do not need any enemys...
Is this a surprise to anyone? I can’t imagine it being so.
It is about time we started doing something like this. The Iraqi population is one that has been indoctrinated for thousands of years by Islamic fanatics. And throughout the 20th Century by various dictators on top of the Islamo-fascism.
We have to " counter-indoctrinate " or " deprogram " them to a great exstent. Such a process includes destroying a cultural ancohoring and also destroying sacred symbols of resistance to the outside world. That is just from a psycological point of view. As we see with this article the mosque also serves as an infrasturcture of resistance and a magnet to degerate backward ideals and social customs.......
all of which must be destroyed.
You just can't lay western democracy on top of backward ass Islam. You have to break up the Islamic organizational structures in order for democracy to have a function in that society.
If we just throw western democracy on top of a backward ass Islamic Iraqi society , which is what we are attempting to do, the Shitte morans will just use the electorial process to install their totalitraian dictators and tell us the get the hell out. With Iraqi society reverting backwards a few centuries and our Herculean effort turned into a big bust.
In order for this invasion thing to work, we have to take a revolutionary posture and actions in Iraq and reorganise their whole social fabric. What we have done instead is to take a tempoary occupational posture , just marking our time being as lest confrontational as posible with hopes of a January election working like a magic wand and transforming all of Iraqi society.
A demoratic culture and values must be installed in order for a democratic process to work. We have left untouched totalitarian culture and totalitarian values with our non revolutionary approach.
The mosque raids are a positive sign of the things that need to be done in order for demoracy to work.
Then we need to do the same thing to Saudi Arabia rather than trying to stablize Islamo-Facist that are now in power.
Nossy
Aw, c'mon. This is more Imperialist-Zionist propaganda! That was just a friendly old neighborhood car repair workshop supported by the local tribal imam 'motorheads'.
The bombs were clearly being added for fuel efficiency and the motar tubes and RPG's are just stylish hood ornaments and mock-exhaust flues, in the same way that many American car nuts put 'glasspacks' in their mufflers for that little extra 'rumble', add 'sissy bars' or pinstripe the side panels. Such 'touches' are considered normal in the macho Islamic world. Sheesh!
I can never get over how the evil West misinterprets everything!
They were clearly gettting ready for the Baghdad equivalent of the N.A.S.C.A.R. races.
(Nihilistic Arab Suicide Crazies And Retrogradists)
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I always thought minarets looked suspiciously like missiles coming out of their silos.
(But, then, the domes are curiously mammary-like, so there is a serious unconscious Freudian collision of primordial symbolism going on here. Has anyone told the 'parishioners'?...)
YES, WHY AREN'T THERE REPORTS OF THIS ON BBC AND CNN!!Why is nothing reported about stonings in Iran or mutiliations and deaths in Kashmir by Jihadists?? Your guess is as good as mine...Exactly who is funding these 'Voices of the People?' FUNDING AL JAZEERA TYPE NEWS - leaving out everything which DOESN'T fit in with Propaganda of lovely, victimized Muslims...
As to Arms Dumps in Mosques, all of them should be
SEARCHED...RECKON YOU FIND ENOUGH WEAPONS TO OUTFIT AN ARMY!!
You can be sure they are training behind the walls of their "holy places" here too. Anyone who puts their trust in them makes a big mistake. Nothing is too dirty or low in Islam.
Check out this link:
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/Mosques.asp
They have the upper hand in this situation, since they can do whatever they like in mosques,even if it means making bombs.
The most that christian churches have ever done is to offer sanctuary. What a contrast.
What a lot of crap. Gen. Saleh Sarhan of the Defense Ministry,and The National Guard must be seeing things,this what comes from hanging around with those infidel americans and drinking to much of that devil drink tequila. To much sun and booze can do some strange things to the head,they should really stop hanging around with the kafir trash before they really go over the top and start digging up the floors.
Before I continue my comment I am re-sending this comment that was in another thread yesterday,, Chucks comment is well worth reading more than once
Now the American side to this story is that every Soldier,Sailor,and Airmen enlisted in the United States Military would probably give His/Her Life to protect the integrity of the People where ever He/She should be and they do not do this to please any Gods or for possible pay-offs in the after life(LOL), they do it to promote and advance a way of life they know is right and just.
"Above and Beyond" Time Life Books Chronicles the lifes of living Recipients of the Congressional Medal Of Honor.
"Beyond Glory" Written by Larry Smith with an Introduction by General H. Norman Schwarzkopf.
In these books you will find a handfull of American Suiciders who step up to the call of Duty and are willing to give their lives in the blink of an eye.These Suiciders lived and in these Stories of a handfull World events were changed to ensure "HUMAN RIGHTS" throughout the World.As you down the rows of graves at Arlington,or any VA centers cemetary you would count Hundreds Of Thousands of lives given and lost for "HUMANITY" not zealous lust of pleasures and treasures. So you see if they have how many suicide bombers?Seems to me they come up rather short now;And please note that I served in The US Navy some time ago and if needed today I would pack it up and "HEED" the call to duty knowing I may be called upon to face the ultimate Sacrifice for LIFE,LIBERTY,AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS to ensure the Unaliable rights of "HUMANITY" given us by the Benevolent Host Of The Starry Skies.As I believe this to be one of the best kept secrets please do not pass this on but just absorb and know what they dont understand.
Thanks Chuck
THE LIFE OF ANY MAN WHO SHARES THE VALUES AS CHUCK IS WORTH MORE THAN ALL THE MOSQUES IN IRAQ PUT TOGETHER.
Mohamed and his filthy pack of mobsters founded their death cult by taking over places of worship,the first being the pagan Arab
temple in Mecca,and this has been the going on through-out history and is still going on today.there is no need to go in to details here as I think most of are well imformed on this matter
Also I think that the koran is not much more than a war journal / mobster hand book and is worshipped by muslims.And the Muslims build mosques where they can worship their God and book of pure evil.And there is nothing we can do because the Mosque is a place of worship,and the Geneva Convention states that places of worship are off gpounds to military attack.Well that really sux.
So Nazi,s can build a fancy structure,call it THE HOLY CHURCH OF THE PURE WHITE,where they worship the sacred mien kampf,and raise their right arm to praise to there beloved Hitler,and listen to sermons about the rightousness it is to bbq anybody who is not blue-eyed/fair skinned.And there is nothing we can do because this is a place of worship,and the Geneva Convention states that places of worship are off gpounds to military attack.Well that really sux.
The child molesters,they can erect large mansions,calling them [-] Ever ever-lands.Here they can gather at twilight, drowling ,panting and agh aagh[hands on crotch] aaaaaaghing over pictues of young boys/girls while musik of MR MOON. MR WACKOX famous practioneers of this faith is pumped out faster and faster ending with their anthem BEAT-IT,followed by a sermon or two from converts from more orthodox religion.And as above there is nothing we can do because this is a place of worship.
The RULING in the Geneva Convention is what SUX in this presnt war,and the enemy up until has with nearly every action shown total disregard to any-thing humane.This evil thing that is trying to take over this world is going to use everything it can lay its hands,and it is not going to let things like Geneva Conventions hold it back,it has already shown us this.It would be better to forget the conventions,win this damned war.
THE KORAN IS A BOOK OF HATE,THE PROPHET IS THE PROPHET DOOM,AND IT IS THE MOSQUES THAT PREACH THE SATANIC SCRIPTURES.
We would not tolerate Nazis or Child-Molesters to build their places of worship,we would rip them down,and we would not care a hoot about conventions,We have a religion that glorifies these evil practice and we are allowing to build more all over the world.
Are we going to make the mistake of our fore-fathers and leave our children to the task or ridding this beautiful planet of this cancer called islam.
So stop treating mosques as holy places,start digging up the floors of every mosque in Iraq,any mosque that has any lethal weapon inside,flatten it.If no weapons are found, then convert into a job training centre,a cinema,a play ground or even a disco,The older ones could be converted to museums.Turn ever mosque into a place where it can have a positive effect on locals.
Also by digging up every floor we might get some answers to the burning question of the missing WMD's
In World War II, the good war against fascism, the allies literally pulverized Monte Cassino after the Germans decided they couldn't resist its strategic, mountaintop location. Never mind that Monte Cassino was the mother house of virtually all Western Catholic monasticism, founded by Benedict in the 5th century AD. Even Catholic soldiers took part in the actions that levelled the place.
Any mosque used as a sniper's platform or known to be used for military purposes should be levelled. Period. If people get upset, they need to understand that holy places simply have to be kept holy.
Kepha 1:
Thank you!
Like so many things there is a use- by date for everything.
We need to re-think and re- negotiate the Geneva convention.
After all it is not written in stone!?
We can not uphold standards that are not met by the enemy. As you said: If the mosque is a place to store weapons and to conspire against our troops, and if the minarets are the preferred lookout for snipers in order to kill our boys, then the preferred modus operandi is clearly :That mosque must go! There are way too many mosques and they are not places of worship. In Bagdad and in Europe. The sooner they are vaporized the better for all of us...
Last week I read a op-ed from a journalist CONUS after the retaking of Fallujah about the Marines bringing in dogs to the mosqeus sniffing for bombs,she sided with the muslums that dogs are very unholy and should not have permitted, of course these were where they were hid out and used as bases of operations.
We do need to change some codes in the GENEVA CONVENTION to allow for variences of cultures,and we need to level evry mosque being used by radicals; this has a two-fold purpose 1)eliminate the potential threat from mosques doing the dirty thing 2)this will limit the number of true mosques(if any)and they will have to congregate to less and less and less,thus cornering them all in the last mosques.
MAY THEY ALL BE SHAHEED TOGETHER
A mosque a HOLY place? No. A mosque is nothing but a conglomaration of building materials, i.e. concrete, wood, bricks, drywall, tile, glass, wires, paint, singles. All produced mostly by infidels.
No telling how many dogs and other animals had walked, sniffed urinated on these materials before they made it into the final production stage.
When exactly do these MAN MADE materials turn into HOLY mosques?
Mosque are just buildings, easily torn down and destroyed. There is nothing HOLY about them.