How many other Saudi teenagers think this way? What genuine steps are really being taken by the Saudis to stop them from thinking this way? After all, a flogging won't change the minds even of these boys. It will likely only reinforce their sense of their own righteousness. From South Africa's News24, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Riyadh - Two Saudi teenagers caught writing graffiti that praised former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden southwest of the Saudi capital have been flogged as punishment.Security sources on Thursday said the two teenagers, aged 15 and 16, were caught after police and residents of Namas city in the southwest of the kingdom found graffiti scribbled on city walls this week.
The graffiti included praises of the al-Qaeda leader which said: "Long live bin Laden, the prince of Jihad (holy war)."
ACTION ALERTS:
This just in from Rublev:
I just convinced an ex-Muslim woman who lives in Norway (from faithfreedom.org) to post her story on a liberal website (www.rawstory.com).
Here is the link to her post:
http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?t=1028&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=7d0426a0386f79510e4ff7b7e3ce0362
Anyone is welcome to chime in. If we get this thread growing, it will get the attention of more liberals who just aren't getting it. All I ask is that all forum participants tone down their right-wing rhetoric. I begged Alkaliel to tell her story because people like her are our only hope for removing the right-wing stigma from this life-or-death topic. I have yet to post because my reputation as conservative is already known. Needless to say, liberal anti-jihadis are especially welcome. Let's pray this is the beginning of something really big.
ACTION ALERT FROM SUZI:
'Convicted Killer Running for President!'
How would you feel if you saw that headline in your local newspaper? Outraged? Incensed? Dumbfounded?
That was exactly how I felt when I learned that Marwan Barghouti, currently in prison in Israel for killing Jews, had announced his candidacy for President of the PLO!
Yes! The PLO has officially accepted Barghouti?s candidacy to fill Yasser Arafat?s shoes.
The U.S. has agreed to send a team to monitor the Palestinian elections, and will, no doubt, support whomever the Palestinians elect as Arafat?s successor. Is this not like saying to the Taliban, ?If you should elect Osama bin Laden as your representative, we will support him?? Or agreeing to support Saddam Hussein should he be re-elected as President of Iraq while in an Iraqi prison?
Marwan Barghouti was the first Palestinian prisoner to be tried in Israel since the signing of the Oslo Accords. He was been convicted in the deaths of four Israelis and a Greek monk. He was originally charged with planning 37 terror attacks, which included 26 indictments for murder.
Barghouti gained entrance to the terror cartel when he helped to found Shabiba, a Fatah youth organization under the umbrella of his role model, Yasser Arafat. He moved up the chain of command in 1995 when Arafat and Barghouti founded Tanzim, a paramilitary arm of Fatah. Barghouti was regarded as the Tanzim?s commander with Arafat?s full support ? so much so, that when Barghouti lost a Tanzim election, Arafat negated the election.
As the head of Fatah, Tanzim and al-Aksa Martyr?s Brigade, Marwan Barghouti was the person directly responsible for planning, funding and selecting those to execute the deadly attacks against Israelis in the West Bank and Gaza.
The final verdict centered around one count of attempted murder for an abortive car bomb attack, the death of a Greek monk (an Israeli citizen) in 2001, an attack at a Tel Aviv restaurant, which left three people dead, and an attack on a settlement north of Jerusalem.
On June 6, 2004, Barghouti was sentenced to five consecutive life terms and 40 years. It is unlikely that the Israeli government will release Mr. Barghouti from prison should he be elected by the Palestinian people.
This is OUTRAGEOUS!
The 1987 Anti-Terrorism Act will cross President Bush?s desk again in just days. We must urgently appeal to him NOT to sign another waiver, but to allow this Act to become law.
THIS IS URGENT!
Please ask just one person today to sign the petition. This will be the last opportunity for anyone to sign the petition to President Bush asking him NOT to sign another waiver.
If you have not signed the petition, please sign today.
Last week while I was in Jerusalem, I was asked many times why America is not speaking out against a murderer running for the post of President of the Palestinian Authority. People want to know why the U.S. is supporting the PLO elections when only terrorists are candidates. I am outraged, and you should be, too.
Please send this to your entire list, and keep this going. This will be your last chance to sign the petition before we forward it to President Bush. If he does NOT sign a waiver on the 1987 Anti-Terrorism Act, the PLO will be put on the terror list, and their offices in the U. S. will be closed.
After thousands of terror attacks in Israel, it?s about time this insanity stopped!
More of Farrah's story:
http://www.nojihad.com/contributors/ethelred/cynthia/cynthia.htm Thanks for waiting.)
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Here is another Muslim woman's story.
As you all can tell, I'm really focusing in on the plight of the women.
We should encourage them as much as we can to tell their stories.
We, the women on this site should be as supportive as possible. Tell them of our lives and the freedoms and accomplishments we've made.
The men on this site can set the example of what true manhood is, not what they've been shown by the males they've had contact with thier whole lives.
Not all men are abusive and wanting to keep thier women down and covered.
I believe if we can break the hold of Islam on the women, we can break the hold of Islam altogether.
Why I chose a normal life
By Alkaliel
Well, I think that I?m ready to write my testimony.
I grew up in Russia in Dagestan which is nearby Chechnya. However my parents were Russian by nationality. Living next to Muslims made my ancestors convert to Islam a long time ago.
But when I was a small girl there was no Russian Federation. I was born in the USSR. It was an awful country to say the least but there was something I liked about it. Communists were so afraid to lose their power that they were fighting against all religions. Yes, maybe it wasn?t absolutely right because people still needed something in their souls. But anyway due to communists I grew in a moderate Muslim family.
Of course, people around us were practicing their religion but they couldn?t do it openly and so, for example, we were not forced to wear hijab. My mum even worked as a driver (!).
But then the USSR went to pieces. And then my sufferings began. I won?t tell you about the war. It was not very important to me as I was only ten years old. But there was something that affected my life.
Firstly, I was expelled from my school. ?Being a good mother doesn?t require education?, Imam said.
Secondly, I was forced to wear hijab all the time. Even that I had some problems with breathing, it didn?t matter. I was told to pray to Allah to save my life.
Thirdly, I couldn?t use buses, trains and so on. I could only go out with my father.
And finally, my mother wasn?t allowed to work. And we plunged into poverty.
Try to understand me, it wasn?t the secular law. We could bring legal proceeding against these criminals. But we could also be killed by our own neighbors for not obeying. And I WANTED TO LIVE, no matter how awful my life was.
At home we always discussed Islam. We read Koran and then compared it with reality. We were stunned. But not by reality. We were stunned because this awful life was required by Koran and Mohammed. It wasn?t terrorism. It was real Islam.
We made up our minds to escape as soon as possible. We saved all our money for a one-way ticket. And while doing it, I went to mosque; was beaten by Muslim boys because my name wasn?t Arab. I was beaten by Imams because I asked too many questions. I was beaten all the time.
After a few years, an awful event happened. My grandfather converted to Christianity openly and was killed near church. I didn?t know why he converted so openly; after all he understood that he would certainly be killed. But when he was at home writhing in pain, he confessed that he had cancer and knew that his death was somewhere nearby. He said he didn?t want to die a Muslim. It would be too shameful for him. I hope now he?s in Heaven or if Heaven doesn?t exist then I hope he?s now safe and happy.
After the death of grandfather we sold everything and ran away to Norway (I was studying Norwegian since childhood). Here we all converted to Christianity. I graduated from University of Oslo. I?m now having some practice. I will be a human rights lawyer. My boyfriend is a feminist activist and a playwright. My mum has her own business and my dad is a top manager.
Why I converted to Christianity? Well, I do believe in God however I?m not a practicing Christian. We became Christians because we were afraid to be caught by Muslims. You can?t even imagine how Muslims are aware of other Muslims arriving in Norway. We wanted to have nothing to do with these fu**ing bast**ds. (Sorry)
Why did I write it here? Because my life shows why I left Islam. And when some fools say that Islam is a peaceful religion I?m disgusted and want to cry. I hope that more and more people will understand the truth about Islam.
And to those poor people who are still Muslims but want to become normal humans and lead a normal life and to those who are married to Muslims I want to say that I?ve survived because I wanted to live. I knew that life is one; if you die you will never have another one. I wanted to commit suicide. But then I thought to myself, ?Why?? Because of Muslims? But life for them is nothing. It?s just a buffer. They don?t appreciate it.
If you want to live, you have to believe in something. I believed in God. But I didn?t believe in Allah or Jesus Christ. I believed in divine justice if you want. You can believe in nature, in life, in your mind and brains. And you will pull through.
Why I chose a normal life?
It's simple. All people want to lead a normal life. But I know what abnormal life looks like. And for me choosing normal life was a well-considered decision. I chose normal life when I left Islam.
And in the end I wanted to thank Ali Sina and other wonderful people who work on this site. Your work will never be forgotten.
http://wwwfaithfreedom.org/Testimonials/Alkaliel.htm
Her grandfather was killed for converting to Christianity. We have to start fighting back and helping those overseas that are starting to fight back.
Send this along to everyone you can.
Susan b-
I went ahead and posted at BlueLemur, I hope others will follow up as well.
Thank You, Mike!
Here is a three part article about the nightmare that ensues when Jewish women make the horrible mistake of marrying a Muslim.
Women from all backrounds should heed the warning that lies within these articles...
"I Was Silent and I Was Alone"
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=72281
He was taking over my mind
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=72500
When Israeli Women Marry Arab Men
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=72865
Well, at least the Saudis are doing SOMETHING right. The best way to deal with teenage criminals is to beat them thouroughly. I wish we could flog our teenage criminals, we would have a lot less crime.
I can't imagine what enters the mind of a Jewish woman to marry an Arab man, except self-loathing or loathing of her culture. I don't feel much sympathy for these women or other women who wake up one morning and discover that their children have been abducted to the husband's Middle East country. It happens often enough in the West that I can't believe any woman would not know what can happen when the "love" ends.
I'd never be in love with a Muslim woman let alone marry her.
Even the BBC chronicles the plight of abused women in Islamic societies. How could Western women miss that?
The women with marry with a muslim, are ignorants or something worse, because many stand things that don´t stand with non-muslim like beatings and other things, but this ignorance is very expensive because they have many children, greetings
These young men were likely only communicating what they learned in school or at their local mosque.
Extracts from today's FrontPageMag.com article: "An Ally we could do without."
I'll take the Saudis' intention to clean their act up when they punish characters like the two dozen or so Saudi scholars and preachers who signed an open letter declaring that "Fighting the occupiers is a duty for all those who are able...,",
"Safar al-Hawali, Nasser al-Omar, Ayidh al-Qarni and Salman al-Awdah -- four of the petition's key signatories -- are on the Saudi government payroll. The plot thickens: Three of these men were under arrest from 1994 to 1999 for criticizing the Saudi regime. But since their release, they have signed a deal with the House of Saud pledging not to speak out against Riyadh and promising to condemn terrorism. (They nevertheless remain vocal advocates for Palestinian terrorists, Iraqi insurgents and even the Taliban.)"
"Al-Hawali has been linked to some of the September 11th hijackers. Currently, he works with the Saudi regime to contain al-Qaeda militancy in Saudi Arabia. His radical website, www.alhawali.com, discusses the need for global jihad. Saudi militants, he writes, "should begin by propagating the message of Allah and end by fighting the infidels and conquering countries." In the perverse logic of Saudi officials, exporting insurgents to Iraq and Afghanistan may indeed alleviate the problem of militants within the Saudi kingdom."
"Riyadh's handling of the petition -- first allowing it to go through, then claiming it was the act of an unofficial group -- points to a power struggle between the government and Saudi clerics. Last month, Iraqi authorities announced the capture of 24 suspected Saudi militants. They suspect that more have slipped across the border to fight. Another band of Saudi militants was caught during battle in Fallujah."
"Saudi officials have much to fear from a stabilized democracy in Iraq. The current oil crisis -- which plays to the pockets of the Saudi kingdom -- may provide an incentive to further the animosity in Iraq. The Saudis have their own loyalties to the Sunni minority in Iraq, who can expect to face the January general elections marginalized by the offensive in Fallujah. The emergence of a Shiite-dominated state in Iraq might also weaken Saudi Arabia's regional position. Given these threats to Saudi power, the government's response to the Ulema petition may have been deliberately ambiguous. This analysis should also serve as a reason U.S. to reevaluate its policies toward Saudi Arabia, which promotes itself as a partner in the war against terrorism."