Tariq Ramadan Live

Typos and other mistakes writing online 'live' are to be expected. But the grammar and vocabulary of these comments are seriously deficient. If Ramadan were teaching mathematics maybe this would not be such a problem. But he is teaching philosophy. There must be standards for English literacy for folks teaching philosophy.

How can Notre Dame (or any university in the United States) offer Ramadan a job if this is the way he writes in English?

JTF

good point.

Besides, seems tariq ramadan maybe seriously 'misoverestimated' by academia and media. Makes him no less of a snake than he has shown himself to be capable of. No man can both profess humanism and enlightened philosophy and at the same time espouse or at least whitewash some of the more barbaric practices within islam.

Notre Dame has lost itself some sheen in the eyes of many by extending invitations to the likes of this snake. So have Duke and Concordia btw by sponsoring rabidly anti-semitic 'palestinian solidarity' fests.

Excerpts from a piece at The American Thinker website:

:Ramadan wants to lift up the Muslim community by telling them that they are superior beings, because Islam is beyond and above everything. He is a charming magician, who offers the ultimate solution to all the problems of Muslim youth: Islam. That is also the slogan of the Muslim Brotherhood: “Islam is the solution.” The first visible sign of his fundamentalist view appeared when, in 1993, he lobbied actively to outlaw a play called Mahomet, which represented the Muslim Prophet in a light that did not fit with Ramadan’s views. In 1994, Alaedine Nazmi, an Egyptian Secret Service agent, who was in charge of watching the Ramadan family, was murdered in Geneva. No culprit has ever been identified.

Ramadan is a pragmatist. When he realized that his Swiss venture was not leading him anywhere, he decided to turn to France. There he got the support of the main Muslim organization, the UOIF (Union Des Organisations Islamiques de France), along with the main young Muslim organization UJM (Union des Jeunes Musulmans). His ‘concept” of Islam as the solution just worked out extremely well among French Muslims youths.

In 1995, in the midst of a series of terrorist attacks in Paris orchestrated by the GIA -- the Algerian Islamist terrorist movement -- Charles Pasqua, French Interior Minister, forbade Ramadan entrance to France because of his links to the Algerian terrorist group. Allowed to return to France a few years later, his popularity took-off when he tied his fate to the anti-globalization crowd. Ramadan is an opportunist, and saw the appeal of this growing movement, which allowed him to reach a media star status, appearing constantly on French prime time television shows.

He has become the de-facto spokesman of the French Muslim community, spending most of his time in Lyons, France’s second city, preaching to the young Arab population. He sells 50,000 books and tapes of his speeches each year. He also took up a fatherly image; His charisma and speaking skills have made him a hit in the French suburbs, where high-rise public housing blocks have become de facto Islamic ghettos.

Some view Ramadan as a brilliant intellectual preaching a modern and tolerant Islam. Ramadan acquired his “moderate Islamist” reputation through participation in various interfaith seminars and by sitting on a commission on “Islam and Secularism.” So great is his social visibility and respectability, he is also an adviser to the European Union regarding religious issues.

But if he is such a moderate, why, after having participated in so many seminars and interfaith debates, has Ramadan never, ever said anything positive about Christianity, Judaism or even the Western world? He calls the Arabs “my brothers and sisters” while all others are addressed as “madam,” “sir,” or with no honorifics at all.

Is he an Anti-Semite?

Yes. He has been spreading the usual cliché that Jews control the media. But with his October article on the site oumma.com, his true face came to light. In this piece, which was turned-down by the two major left-leaning French newspapers Liberation and Le Monde -- five times for Le Monde alone -- because of its sulfurous stance, Ramadan blames Jewish intellectuals for their support to the war in Iraq, and also supposedly for Sharon’s policies. He accuses them of placing their allegiance to Israel above their conscience. This comes as no surprise, since in his book, The Islam in Question, Ramadan clearly writes that he strongly favors the death of Israel, or rather of the “Zionist entity” -- the term used by Islamists who do not want utter the word Israel. Even a French DST (equivalent to our FBI) agent stated that Ramadan’s long-term goal is to bring about Israel’s death through a major Muslim lobbying campaign, first in Europe then in the US.

Ramadan recently faced-off with Nicolas Sarkozy, the French former Interior Minister, current Finance Minister, and probable successor of President Chirac, on a very popular French TV program. His real face appeared in this heated exchange with Nicolas Sarkozy. During this debate, Ramadan showed his contempt of the Minister by repeatedly calling him just “Sarkozy” instead of the more appropriate “Mr. Sarkozy” or “Mr Minister.” He did not want to acknowledge that his recent article was anti-Semitic. Furthermore, instead of condemning his brother’s statement that stoning a woman for adultery was acceptable, Tariq only said that he would ask for a moratorium on stoning.

He is very vague and evasive on the law banning the hijab in French schools. Nevertheless, his wife, a French Catholic converted to Islam, wears it constantly.
He believes that the West is in a moral decay, and should therefore not give moral advice to the Muslim world. Islam is going to represent the spiritual renewal of the world. He now symbolizes the view, as Jacques Jormier, one of the leading Islam experts, puts it: “that does not modernize Islam but Islamize modernity.”

A few days ago, in an interview with French Magazine Le Point, Ramadan very subtly revealed his real beliefs. Hiding behind what the Muslims throughout the world think, Ramadan evoked what he called the “interventions of New York, Bali or Madrid”. So, September 11 was not a terrorist attack, it was rather just an “intervention.” Of course, nowhere in this interview did Ramadan condemn terrorism.

What about his links to terrorism?

His elder brother, Hani, is the director of Geneva’s Islamic Center. The Swiss Secret Service thinks that this Center is used to receive terrorists from the Algerian GIA or some “Afghan Arabs.” Supposedly, Tariq claims he is not involved with the Center. But that would not explain why he is still sitting on the Board of Directors. Also, he does not agree, at least publicly, with his brother, but Hani affirms that they are exactly the same “like two sides of the same coin.”

Most European Secret Service agencies and others, including Antoine Sfeir, the very knowledgeable editor of the French magazine specializing in the Middle East, Les Cahiers de L’Orient, are also convinced that, at the end of the 1980’s, the Muslim Brotherhood picked Tariq to be their European representative.

Thus, Tariq might finally realize his father’s dream: to put Islam in the center of modern Europe and then the US. Of course, Ramadan totally denies his involvement with the Muslim Brotherhood.

According to Roland Jacquard, President of the International Observatory of Terrorism, Ramadan is not directly involved in terrorist activities but most of his supporters are. His links to shady individuals or networks are numerous.

According to the French daily newspaper, Le Monde, he is suspected of having links with al Qaeda. In fact, Ramadan is said to have organized a meeting back in 1991 between Ayman al Zawahiri, Al Qaeda’s number two, and Omar Abdel Rahman, plotter of the first World Trade Center bombing. Other troubling allegations can be found in a lawsuit filed by the victims of the September 11 attacks: Ramadan greatly influenced Djamel Beghal, a French citizen arrested for plotting to bomb the US Embassy in Paris and Ahmed Brahim, an al Qaeda member arrested in Spain. Additionally, Abdessatar Dahmane, who spent most of his time listening to Ramadan’s conferences and tapes, is a Tunisian involved in the killing of Massoud, the Chief of the Afghan Northern Alliance, whose mortal enemies are Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden, on September 9, 2001. While there is no proof of any links to Ramadan, Lyons, where he is wildly popular, is the place where the Tunisian bomber of the Djerba synagogue and also one of the French-Al Qaeda linked detainees in Guantanamo Bay, came from.

Also the Islamic Center of Geneva, headed by Ramadan’s brother, is linked to al Taqwa Bank which is one of the financial institutions that was used by Al Qaeda. Al Taqwa Bank’s assets were frozen after September 11, and it is being sued by the families of the victims.

Of course, Ramadan strongly denies these allegations of association with terrorists, but Ahmed Hubert, a Holocaust-denying Swiss citizen, converted to Islam by the Center, and also a board member of the Bank, acknowledges that al Taqwa was donating money to the Center. Furthermore, and even more troublesome, is that Said Ramadan was the founder of this bank, and the current president is none other than Youssef Nada, the Muslim Brotherhood’s treasurer.

Even though Ramadan cannot be charged with terrorism, it is clear that his speeches and tapes broadcasted in a lot of European mosques constitute an incitement to terrorism against the West. He supplies moral support for terrorism, and therefore should be viewed as a very dangerous man, because of the numerous terrorists his views foster.

After becoming famous in France, he now wants to conquer the US, which is his main objective. Of course, our country, with its fast growing Muslim population, is an ideal target. Nevertheless his departure from France might be surprising because of his base of popularity in Europe. On the other hand, perhaps his public gaffes have revealed him for good as another Islamist, and he is seeking an audience less familiar with his underlying views.

He is always well received here. The State Department and Clinton's various foundations love to invite him. At Notre Dame, he will spend three years teaching in a program called “Religion, Conflict and Promotion of Peace”.

Elisabeth Schemla from the newsmagazine website proche-orient.info reported that during her recent visit to Notre Dame, she tried, to no avail, to warn the University administrators about the dangers of having Ramadan teach. Either they know or they do not want to know. Schemla also remarked that Indiana is the headquarters location of one of the biggest Islamist organizations in the US: the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). Steven Emerson, renowned terrorism expert, has been very vocal in establishing the links between ISNA, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and (surprise!) the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Notre Dame appointment might not be a coincidence after all."

What a great way to manipulate and incite large masses of people!

Keep them thinking that though they are narrow minded( think 'slit'), bloodthirsty bigots who can't think for themselves, as long as they're Muslim they're automatically elevated, superior to the rest of non-Muslim humanity.

All one needs to know is that America supports Israel, who is "humiliating" Falesteen imposters. That's it folks. That's alll there izzzz ...

Les mensonges de Tariq Ramadan

Tariq Ramadan a l'habitude d'esquiver toute critique grâce à un sens aigü de l'euphémisme (les "attentats" sont des "interventions", les intégristes de simples "savants musulmans", le terrorisme de la "résistance" etc), au double discours (externe/interne) mais aussi grâce au mensonge. Exemples de ces petits arrangements avec la vérité que les journalistes ne relèvent que rarement...

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Campus (4 décembre 2003)

The BEST BOOK on Tariq Ramadan has just appeared. It is "Frere Tariq" by Caroline Fourest. If you read French, you will not be disappointed. No one who intends to offer Ramadan a job -- that means you, Scott Appleby, for you are not exempt from a little intellectual due diligence, especially when a little matter like the comprehension, and therefore the will to survive, of the Western world is undercut by the sly likes of taqiyya-master Ramadan. Actually, Tariq Ramadan is not very impressive, certainly not as any kind of thinker, but he apparently has a sly plausible way about him so that those who are determined to find no fault with Islam, who believe that "taqiyya" is a word made up by "Neo-cons in the Pentagon" and others guilty of "Islamophobia," will simply allow themselves to be impressed by his nonsense and gobledygook, a kind of Sid-Caesarian patter (but not merely for comic effect, as when Sid Caesar did it), full of elisions and evasions. The Frenchwoman Caroline Fourest is not among them. Perhaps the faculty at Notre Dame, or the more thoughtful among them, should read Fourest's book, and invite her to speak on the matter.

Here is one excerpt, about Ramadan's flat-out lie (claiming to have won his suit against Antoine Sfeir). Perhaps it will whet the appetite of those who can read French, and one hopes that a publisher will soon be found for the English version of Fourest's book:

RAMADAN DIT avoir gagné tous ses procès contre ceux qui l'accusent de double discours. C'est ce qu'il a proclamé sur le plateau de Campus face à Caroline Fourest. Ce jour-là, il est repris par Guillaume Durand : « Vous avez perdu votre procès contre Antoine Sfeir... » Mais Ramadan persiste et ment : « Non, j’ai gagné mon procès contre Antoine Sfeir. »

• RAMADAN A MENTI : Sfeir a gagné le procès que lui intentait Ramadan. Dans son jugement du 22 mai 2003, la Cour d'appel de Lyon a donné raison au directeur des Cahiers de l'Orient sur le fait que les discours de prédicateurs comme Tariq Ramadan « peuvent exercer une influence sur les jeunes islamistes et constituer un facteur incitatif pouvant les conduire à rejoindre les partisans d’actions violentes ».

Sorry to go OT, blistering attack on the UK religious hatred proposal by that wonderful newspaper, The Telegraph. Do read it, it's a must:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/12/11/do1101.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2004/12/11/ixop.html

"Tariq Ramadam Live?" No, thanks.

As for the Catholic university that wants him there, what could be their motive? This is not a philosopher, nor could he be a professor of philosophy. Love of knowledge? Purveyor of taqiyya.

Oh, and Interestd,

Regarding that "UK religious hatred proposal," OT or not, it's a great piece. Should be read by all--UK, US, EU. thank you for posting the link.

Thanks for the Link INTERESTD.
Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus & others might get upset by disparaging remarks about their religion but I don't know of any cases when they want to KILL or FIREBOMB the speaker...Mr Blunkett is a fool in more ways than one - am not just referring to scandal and lies he told about his private life. MUSLIMS ARE A DANGER TO BRITAIN AND EVERY OTHER HOST COUNTRY! This can be shown historically and what is happening now - by the time they reach 20% of population, the country will be racked by violence and killing, rest of original inhabitants will be intimidated and terrorized - they will flee, other Muslims will move in and Britain would rapidly sink to status of third World Country.
As for 'Brother Tariq', he is being exposed for what he is, another lying Muslim following the path of his crazed Prophet and collecting more followers and converts for Islam.

Interesting that lyon is the city chosen by ramadan to proceed with his activities.
The History of Klaus Barbie's home town was further soiled when Lyon 3 university became the hotbed of Holocaust denial and students were awarded bonuses for writing there theses on holocaust revisionism.
Faurisson was of course associate professor at Lyon and his notorious book was given a preface by no less than Noam Chomsky !!!(who ibelieve later calimed not to have read it).
EXTRACT
"My view is the following: (1) the number of Jews exterminated by the Nazis (or victims of "genocide") is, happily, equal to zero.... I have rather good reasons to think that the number of deaths at Auschwitz (Jews and non-Jews) was around 50,000.... As for the number of deaths at all the concentration camps from 1933-34 to 1945,, I think it had to be 200,000 or at most 360,00"
See NADINE FRESCO splendid piece on the faurisson affair and the later prosecutions of Lyon academics
http://www.anti-rev.org/textes/Fresco81a/index.html

HOW DOES THE LYON BILIOUS SLIME THIS LINK UP WITH MR RAMADAN?

On the book Hugh mentions, "Frère Tariq" see http://www.prochoix.org/freretariq/sommaire.html. many interesting excerpts and reviews (in French)

What undercuts everything that this spreader of Islam says IS:

Do I believe that he did NOT watch a ten minute film "Submission" to the end?

And, whish is worse?

To LIE, and have TRULY watched the short movie?

(Diaphnously clad 'submission'-ladies confessing did not pique his curiosity?)

Or: to be SO INTOLERANT?

CONTEMPTUOUS of any other person's FREE thoughts that they do not view a 10 minute video. A film that the director DIED for.

I believe HE SAW all-ten-minutes, for legal reasons, if no other.

So, the rest of his 'dialog' is just a smokescreen on his own agenda. Anti-freedom.

Sorry, sheik, it doesn't work to try to fit the 7th century back over the 21st.

It distorts the former and smothers the latter.

The relationship between Tariq ramadan's Muslim Brotherhood -Nazi germany- and Al qaeda
john loftus
“Here’s how the story began. In the 1920’s there was a young Egyptian named al Banna. And al Banna formed this nationalist group called the Muslim Brotherhood. Al Banna was a devout admirer of Adolph Hitler and wrote to him frequently. So persistent was he in his admiration of the new Nazi Party that in the 1930’s, al Banna and the Muslim Brotherhood became a secret arm of Nazi Intelligence. The Arab Nazis had much in common with the new Nazi doctrines. They hated Jews; they hated democracy; and they hated the Western culture. It became the official policy of the Third Reich to secretly develop the Muslim Brotherhood as the Fifth Column, an army inside Egypt.”
“When war broke out, the Muslim Brotherhood promised in writing that they would rise up and help General Rommel and make sure that no English or American soldier was left alive in Cairo or Alexandria. The Muslim Brotherhood began to expand in scope and influence during World War II. They even had a Palestinian section headed by the grand Mufti of Jerusalem, one of the great bigots of all time. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was the Muslim Brotherhood representative for Palestine. These were undoubtedly Arab Nazis. The Grand Mufti, for example, went to Germany during the war and helped recruit an international SS division of Arab Nazis. They based it in Croatia and called in the ‘Handjar’ Muslim Division, but it was to become the core of Hitler’s new army of Arab fascists that would conquer the Arab peninsula from then on to Africa—grand dreams.”
“At the end of World War II, the Muslim Brotherhood was wanted for war crimes. Their German intelligence handlers were captured in Cairo. The whole net was rolled up by the British Secret Service. Then a horrible thing happened. Instead of prosecuting the Nazis—the Muslim Brotherhood—the British government hired them.”
“Britain was not alone. The French Intelligence service cooperated by releasing the Grand Mufti and smuggling him to Egypt, so all of the Arab Nazis came together. So, from 1945 to 1948, the British Secret Service protected every Arab Nazi they could, but they failed to quash the State of Israel. What the British did then, they sold the Arab Nazis to the predecessor of what became the CIA. It may sound stupid; it may sound evil, but it did happen. The idea was that we were going to use the Arab Nazis in the Middle East as a counterweight to the Arab communists. Just as the Soviet Union was funding Arab communists, we would fund the Arab Nazis to fight against [them]. And lots of secret classes took place. We kept the Muslim Brotherhood on our payroll.”

Osama bin Laden was mentored by Abdullah Azzam—a key Brotherhood figure who was among those relocated to Saudi Arabia by the CIA. “For the Saudis, there was a ruler in charge of Saudi Arabia, and that country was the new home of the Muslim Brotherhood, and fascism and extremism were mingled in these schools. And there was a young student who paid attention—and Azzam’s student was named Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden was taught by the Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood who had emigrated to Saudi Arabia.”
the most radical of the merge of the Arab fascists and religious extremists—Osama called that al Qaeda. But to this day there are branches of the Muslim Brotherhood all through al Qaeda. Osama bin Laden’s second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, came from the Egyptian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the residue of a Palestinian Islamic Jihad. There are many flavors and branches, but they are all Muslim Brotherhoods. There is one in Israel. The organization you know as ‘Hamas’ is actually a secret chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood. When Israel assassinated Sheik Yassin , the Muslim Brotherhood published his obituary in a Cairo newspaper in Arabic and revealed that he was actually the secret leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza. So the Muslim Brotherhood became this poison that spread throughout the Middle East and on 911, it began to spread around the world.”
JOHN LOFTUS
“So, of course, my clients in the intelligence community said, ‘Well, what are you doing?’ They gave me an example. They said, ‘Here’s how the Saudis finance these groups. The Saudis have established a group of charities on a street in Virginia. It’s 555 Grove St., Herndon, Virginia.’ So I said, ‘OK the Saudis are terrorists, so what?’ These charities fund Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda. The Saudis are getting tax deductions for terrorism. They have set up front groups so all the terrorists groups in the U.S. and the front groups get the Saudi money as a charitable donation.”
“I said, ‘You’re kidding me.’ Nope. And they told me that right near where I lived in Tampa, Florida was one of the leading terrorists in the world. There were these two professors at the University of South Florida. One had just left—and he was now in Syria—and he was the world head of Islamic Jihad. His number two, the head of Islamic Jihad in the Western Hemisphere, was Dr. Sami al-Arian.
“They sent me the video tapes. There was Professor al-Arian on stage and one of his friends gets up and says, ‘Now, who will give me $500 to kill a Jew? There are people standing by in Jerusalem who will go out in the street and stab a Jew with a knife, but we need $500.’ And he said, ‘All of this money will go to the Islamic committee for Palestine.’ And that is the front group in the United States for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.”
“You know what I did? I donated money to the charity that was the terrorist fund, because under Florida law, that gave me the right to sue the charity to find out where my money was going. It was hilarious. In early March, 2002, I drafted a long lawsuit exposing Professor Sami al-Arian, naming all the crimes he’d committed, all the bombings in Israel, the fundraising in America with terrorism. I mentioned how his money got to him from the Saudis and how the Saudis had convinced our government not to prosecute him for political reasons. Because of my high-level security clearances, everything I write is sort of classified material and has to be sent back to the government before publication, for censorship. So I sent my long lawsuit complaint to the CIA, and they loved it. They said, ‘Oh, great. We don’t like the Saudis either. Go sue them.’”
“The day before I went to file the lawsuit, I got a frantic phone call from the United States Department of justice. They said, ‘John, please don’t file the lawsuit tomorrow. We really are going to raid these Saudi charities. We’re going to close them down. Just give us more time.’ ‘Oh yeah, you’re going to raid them. That’s what you told me in January—and again in February, and now it’s March. You want more time? I’ll give you until 4:00 o’clock tomorrow. I’m filing my complaint at 10:00 a.m., so that at 4p.m., I’m going to release the address of the Saudi charities.”
“Back tomorrow. I filed my lawsuit at 10:00 o’clock, and told the press I was going to hold something back for a little bit. At 10:15, the U.S. Government launched Operation Green Quest, a massive raid on all the Saudi charities in homes and businesses, and in one hour we shut down the entire Saudi money-laundering network in America.
What I’ve become in my old age is a teacher. Twenty-five years ago I was a lot younger, a lot thinner, but now every day I get 500 to 1,000 e-mails from honest men and women around the world from the intelligence community. And we have to end the evil in this world. We have to recognize that al-Qaeda simply didn’t spring up on its own. The evil root was Nazism. The al-Qaeda Doctrine is the same as the Arab Nazis held. They hated Jews, they hate democracy, and they hate Westerners for Western culture. Al Qaeda is nothing more than the religious expression of Arab Fascism. We allowed this branch of the Nazi trunk to survive, to flourish, and it has come back to haunt us.”