"Tolerance is gone." From Expatica, with thanks to Anthony:
Armed with the promise of "several tens of millions of euros" in increased funding, the AIVD has been given new orders in direct response to the brutal assassination of Van Gogh. The organisation has been tasked with tightening surveillance on suspected "extremists" and preventing future attacks.With 150 Muslims currently on its list of suspect characters, AIVD spokesman Vincent van Steen was unable to confirm how many more will be added. "It depends on the risk these people pose to us," he said.
At any rate, the AIVD will recruit several hundred people and expand its surveillance net to include people moving in close proximity to anyone considered a prime suspect of carrying out an attack....
Calling for more co-operative efforts with the Muslim community to stop the process of radicalisation, Van Steen said the AIVD also needs to be "very creative and inventive" in its investigations because the threat of terrorism will remain for some time to come."It is a very difficult job to have a good eye on all those people who are both in the radicalisation process ,or in another way are willing to die for Jihad (holy war)," he said....
Edwin Bakker , a terror analyst with Clingendael -- the Netherlands Institute of International Relations -- said it is difficult to identify where the threat is coming from. The suspect in the Van Gogh killing was a well-integrated Amsterdam man.
Mohammed B. studied IT and later got involved in volunteer work to ease socio-economic problems in his local area of West Amsterdam.
In the last two years, he became "radicalised". He was a member of a group of young Moroccan men who met regularly to discuss the Koran. He embraced very strict Islamic beliefs, grew a beard and took to wearing a Jellabah, a traditional Arab dress-like garment for men....
A lecturer with Erasmus University in Rotterdam, Ko Colyn, claims that jihad veterans in other nations target young Muslims in their 20s to recruit them for terrorist operations. He said some of the recruiters enter the country as asylum seekers and gain access to youths at mosques.
Interestingly, Mohammed B. at 26 is one of the older suspects currently in detention.
Jason W., who was arrested in the terror stand-off in The Hague, is 19. His father is American and his mother is native Dutch.
One government minister went so far as to declare war on extremism.
While surprised by W.'s conversion to Islam at the age of 14 and the developments thereafter, Colyn said it is not unknown for Dutch, US and other westerners to step across to Islam.The second man arrested in The Hague has been identified as Ismael A., 21, a Dutch-Moroccan.
Although the AIVD is famous for being tight-lipped, spokesman Van Steen said he could not deny reports that W. and A. were planning to murder anti-Islamic MPs Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Geert Wilders.
Ismael A. is also reportedly friends with 18-year-old Samir A., a Dutch-Moroccan, who was arrested in June on suspicion of involvement in an armed robbery. A house raid discovered building layouts of possible terrorist attack targets such as Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam.
He is alleged to play a key role in the "Hofstadgroep", of which the two suspects arrested in The Hague and five others arrested in Amsterdam and Amersfoort also on 10 November are also said to be members of.
Authorities are now investigating links between the group and Casablanca bombing suspect Abdeladim Akoudad, arrested in Barcelona in October 2003.
Carrot and the stick
To combat extremism and the radicalisation of young Muslims, Colyn, a defence correspondent for weekly Dutch newspaper Vrij Nederland called for long-term measures to reintegrate Muslims into Dutch society. But he said this depends on a lot of investment in education, the labour market and integration.
Acknowledging that forced integration might in itself spark extremism, Colyn noted the Dutch government is taking a hard-line stance. Those who do not accept Dutch values will no longer be allowed to stay.
"Tolerance is gone," he said.
"In the last two years, he became "radicalised". He was a member of a group of young Moroccan men who met regularly to discuss the Koran. He embraced very strict Islamic beliefs, grew a beard and took to wearing a Jellabah, a traditional Arab dress-like garment for men...."
I'm hearing "Takfir, Takfir" just like the 9/11 crew.
That would appear strange with his jellablah and beard wouldn't it?
This Syrian "koranteacher" of his, I suppose he could be. Still at large as far as I know, last I known he was in Germany.
PS: dress-garment for men, yeah, that's real tough *lol*
Islam is now the vehicle of choice for all those disaffected with their own societies. It is also like a dormant virus, that can come alive, even in the minds of those who one had thought were completely disinterested in political matters, slowly, or at a moment's notice.
It has been called here, in postings, the "Manchurian Candidate Problem." The programming is not by some North Korean or Chinese devils -- it is self-programming, and comes from one's encounter with the verses, and the stories, to be encountered in the canonical texts. One may read them, or listen to them being recited, or listen to someone with whom one shares an office, or a carpool, or a prison cell, or a mosque, or an apartment, or a workshop or a thousand other possible places of encounter, and brainwashing. From Mike Hawash, to Mohammad Atta, to "Jason" the half-American half-Dutchman mentioned above -- one simply cannot detect the outward and visible signs by which the indifferent, seemingly secular, or at least "moderate" Muslim becomes something quite different -- because he lost a job, a girlfriend, status, the friendship of his family, godknowswhat. And that is how it begins.
What can the Infidel world do except, in such situations, assume that all carriers of the belief-system are potentially dangerous. And in any case, unless there is a specific abjuring of the belief-system, given what it is now seen, and so obviously seen, to stand for, one must always assume the worst. And besides, if one's mere presence in a country swells perceived Muslim power, and helps to inhibit action to take reasonable measures of self-protection and self-defense, as one sees when Muslim groups move heaven and earth to prevent the government from taking the quite reasonable actions that, so far, it has taken (and these have not gone nearly far enough).
"Tolerance -for the murderously intolerant- is gone."
Colyn should have said.
Best not to give fools linguistic ammunition by sounding as vague and irrational as they are with bald proclamations that, as the wise guy G.I. Gurdjieff noted: "Can be twisted back to hit you.".
Be clear, or the fog-heads will deceive the indecisive.
To quote the Qu'ran:
"Verily, those among the People of the Book [Torah & New Testament] and the associators [polytheists] who have disbelieved [in Mohammad's revelation of the Koran] will be in the fire of Gehenna [originally a big trash dump near Jerusalem, if I remember correctly, transposed to mean 'Hell', generally], therein to abide eternally."
As bad as the Old Testament Jaweh's revenge fantasies (before Isaac was spared by Abraham) or the worst of the 'Book of Revelations', which negates all that Christ taught, strangely enough.
I prefer to whistle the final song from "The Life of Brian" -and remain dubious of all human claims to knowledge beyond what seems probable.
"Always look on the bright side of life."
And keep your powder dry...
We often hear about the radicalisation of moslems but on a more positive note it's obvious that more and more of us are becoming radicalised against islam. I meet so many "ordinary" Brits now who are sick and tired of hearing moslems bleating on about how they should be understood. People ARE starting to see what a sick freak show this cult really is. The fact that our elites and media have their heads up the Saudi's arses (sorry , I meant to say "heads in the sand".) doesn't mean that the word is getting out to the people.
The storm clouds are gathering on the horizon for islam...it's days in the dhimmi sun are drawing very slowly to a close
Sorry folks, that should read "doesn't mean that the word ISN'T getting out to the people."