UK: Honor killing over love song dedication

Don't be so narrow minded. There are clearly cultural differences which exist and need to be addressed. But in all 'Asian' immigration to Europe and America is successful.

Turkey also is reforming the practice as evidenced by their attempting to criminalize adultery. In that case a woman would be brought before a tribunal and her case considered. No need for impulsive, spur-of-the-moment throat slitting or stoning. That could come later after calmer heads and justice prevail.

These slight cultural differences are what adds to our 'diversity', and enriches us all. What can be more a sign of ignorance than not being aware that love songs can be considered a sign of shame in 'Asian', Pakistani culture where inter-marriage is certainly encouraged among cousins as a way of cementing tribal/familial relations?

That aspect of the 'Asian'/Pakistani culture may seem odd to us, but after all, we invite them en masse to London, so who the hell are we to tell them how to then live?

Even in secular Turkey, the blade can be put to spectacular use, throat slitting may not be for the queasy, but the Moroccan who butchered Theo Van Gogh had no trouble with it either.

It's all relative, multiculturalism means all civilizational are equal, there is nothing superior or differientating, therefore according to the multicultural doctrine, Western civilization is no better than near or far eastern cultures who view woman as on par with sheep and are certainly capable of slitting either’s throat with equal skill.

Multiculturalism, PC, moral-relativism and diversity celebration is the brave new world we've inherited from the great thinkers and scholars in recent history. They must know what they are doing, after all it is all changing so rapidly that one can hardly keep pace with who we are, as we welcome immigrants, asylum seekers, and every culture and society and civilization on earth into the West with great glee and fanfare as we censor and burn our own to the ground.

The end result of all this will be of Biblical proportions as Orwellian/Clockwork Orange science-fiction is made reality before our very eyes.

Occupied Europe Out.

Andrew:

Unless you add a disclaimer that you were being sarcastic, you are going to get flamed by those unaware that you are a regular anti-jihad poster.

sigh! I'm sorry. I just cannot, for the life of me, see how a parent could do this to their own child. Their own flesh and blood. This is beyond belief. Beyond normal.

Sure, teenagers can drive you up the wall. Many parents would wish that the worst they could say about their teenaged daughter is that she had a song dedicated to them on the radio! Ooooo, heaven forbid! So here we have a case of puppy love, and a young girl is horrifically slaughtered for it. Imagine the last minutes of her life. Her own father doing this to her.

Andrew,

From the Daily Telegraph - looks like an increasing number of Euros have concluded the best way out is the exit!

So how did her "dad" who was jailed for life in 2002 manage to kill her? Some details are missing here.....

So if her father was sentenced to life in prison in 2002; how is he able to kill her? Time off for good behavior?

CGW

Thanks for the reminder. I certainally was attempting to channel the LLL moonbat mentality that gave rise to Eurabia and in my temporary insanity, I forgot to add the sarcism tab to my post above.

Ugh, I honestly don't understand how anyone can think in that fashion. Attempting to do so has convinced me that liberalism/PC is a mental illness.

Sam: Will the fleeing Euros learn from their mistakes? Or will they just screw up their new homes with the same LLL socialist moonbattery that ruined their own countries?

They won't stand and fight for their own countries. What makes them think they are welcome to go to a country like Australia -- which WILL stand and fight for its freedom and its culture -- and sponge off of their hard work and determination to survive?

Stay in Europe and fight! We will help you, but not if you are just going to continue to stick your heads in the sand and spout anti-American slogans while your countries go down the toilet!

"Stay in Europe and fight! We will help you, but not if you are just going to continue to stick your heads in the sand and spout anti-American slogans while your countries go down the toilet!"

Posted by Susan

Here is a good article, Anti-Americanism is Racist Envy, by eminent British author and historian, Paul Johnson:

http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0721/017_print.html

Andrew,

you regard this article:http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0721/017_print.html
as good, are you kidding, c'mon... I'm sure you do better than this!

Would you please tell what "Racist Envy" is?

Slicing off clitorises off young girls, men beating their wives, now fathers murdering their daughters because they are a disgrace to them. This is all part of the shariah law- the same law that cair canada wants passed. Canada, U.K., U.S., Holland, Ausrialia, et el. still lets these cockroaches in AND ARE DOING NOTHING! If you read the story, there is no mention of the that the girl was muslim. She is called an Asian. After-all
BBC would not want to offend the muzzies, would they?

Slicing off clitorises off young girls, men beating their wives, now fathers murdering their daughters because they are a disgrace to them. This is all part of the shariah law- the same law that cair canada wants passed. Canada, U.K., U.S., Holland, Ausrialia, et el. still lets these cockroaches in AND ARE DOING NOTHING! If you read the story, there is no mention of the that the girl was muslim. She is called an Asian. After-all
BBC would not want to offend the muzzies, would they?

Slicing off clitorises off young girls, men beating their wives, now fathers murdering their daughters because they are a disgrace to them. This is all part of the shariah law- the same law that cair canada wants passed. Canada, U.K., U.S., Holland, Ausrialia, et el. still lets these cockroaches in AND ARE DOING NOTHING! If you read the story, there is no mention of the that the girl was muslim. She is called an Asian. After-all
BBC would not want to offend the muzzies, would they?

Slicing off clitorises off young girls, men beating their wives, now fathers murdering their daughters because they are a disgrace to them. This is all part of the shariah law- the same law that cair canada wants passed. Canada, U.K., U.S., Holland, Ausrialia, et el. still lets these cockroaches in AND ARE DOING NOTHING! If you read the story, there is no mention of the that the girl was muslim. She is called an Asian. After-all
BBC would not want to offend the muzzies, would they?

Papa Bear asks "So if her father was sentenced to life in prison in 2002; how is he able to kill her? Time off for good behavior?"

I wondered that, parole for life prisoners is not that quick. I did a Google check and The Sun got their dates in a twist.

The girl was murdered in October 2002, Dad went down for life in 2003, the particular case was mentioned at a conference on similar murders last week.

nippon

The title of Mr. Johnson's article may not be the best, but clearly, envy and a healthy dose of irrationality characterizes Europe’s tyrannical, I mean bureaucratic decision making processes.

Mr. Johnson's observations, such as the fact that several European countries are very new democracies and the ringleader of the EAD (Euro-Arab Dialog), France is not a Democracy at all but a Republic RULED by the political elites.

Yes, I understand that Europe is trying to assert itself politically and economically as their economy has flat-lined years ago, their ability to defend themselves is wholly inadequate considering their buddies in the Arab League and their population is dying, being replaced by Third Worlders from every corner of the Muslim world.

The envy is what caused the EAD 30 years ago, Europe at the behest of France and your country, Germany, wanted to create a counterweight to America by allying themselves with the Islamic world and in the process became the Arab worlds sock puppets leading the rest of the continent down the road to dhimmitude.

You said "Andrew, you can do better than that article". OK, read this and please tell me your thoughts.

The Ents of Europe Victor Davis Hanson

http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson121004.html

Thank you.

Andrew,

there's no need to be angry...(your quite harsh "Thank you")... I'd rather agree with Mr.VictorD.Hansen.
He makes some good points as well as Mr.Johnson does.
Are you sure that Germany wanted to create a counterweight 30 years ago? Until 1998 Germany has been almost the closest American ally in Europe.Even the land for the American garrions had been paid by the German tax payer.

you said:
"The envy is what caused the EAD 30 years ago, Europe at the behest of France and your country, Germany, wanted to create a counterweight to America by allying themselves with the Islamic world and in the process became the Arab worlds sock puppets leading the rest of the continent down the road to dhimmitude."

This is an exaggeration.

Although you'd call it a tit-for-tat argument
I could assert that there's a harmful connection between the East-Coast aristocracy which is ruling a new Roman Empire, the Saudi- Kingdom, and Central-Asian countries like Afghanistan in order to exploit the oil.

I don't do that because it would be indecent.
But then again:
What about the vast support for many Muslim countries, what about the devil-riding with the Taleban ten years ago?

No western country has the right to point the finger at one another.
Mr.Chiraq as well as Mr.Rumsfeld shook hands with Mr.Saddam Hussein.

Andrew,

Do you mean this?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=1285

Andrew, you said:

"Yes, I understand that Europe is trying to assert itself politically and economically as their economy has flat-lined years ago, their ability to defend themselves is wholly inadequate considering their buddies in the Arab League and their population is dying, being replaced by Third Worlders from every corner of the Muslim world."

Flat-lined? The German economy,yes, but think about Finnland, Ireland and Slovakia.

And BTW: What about the Mexicans re-conquering the territory you gained in 1846?

nippon,

Ich wollte nicht so hart klingen, aber ich bin es leid, dieses Thema jedem Europaer erklaeren zu muessen,nur,weil sie es nicht verstehen. Ich werde deinen Link spaeter lesen, weil ich jetzt "Wetten dass"schauen moechte, Aber in der Zwischenzeit kannst Du schon mal diesen Link lesen:

Bat Ye'or, The Euro-Arab Dialogue and the Birth of Eurabia, Er erklaert alles, kopiere ihn und sende ihn an deine fruende.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:W6UATkoMQA4J:www.dhimmitude.org/archive/by_eurabia_122002_eng.doc+Euro-Arab+Dialogue&hl=en

Danke

If the "westernized" muslim father thought his daughter was a disgrace, all I can say is the muslims are a disgrace to our society.

alles schon längst erledigt...

Übrigens: Wie ist das Wetter in Rhode Island?

Andrew--

That Hanson article was a-mazing. It made me want to stand and applaud. I recommend that everyone read it!

My favorite paragraph:

Only now are Europeans discovering the disturbing nature of radical Islamic extremism, which thrives not on real grievance but on perceived hurts — and the appeasement of its purported oppressors. How odd that tens of millions of Muslims flocked to Europe for its material consumption, superior standard of living, and freedom and tolerance — and then chose not merely to remain in enclaves but to romanticize all the old pathologies that they had fled from in the first place. It is almost as if the killers in Amsterdam said, "I want your cell phones, unfettered Internet access, and free-spirited girls, but hate the very system that alone can create them all. So please let me stay here to destroy what I want."

Sorta makes you hope Dante was right. And-

there'll be a welcoming comittee in Gehenna for homicidal sperm-donors like this alleged 'father'.

The nicest thing we could do for the memory of this murdered girl would be to somehow prove that this vile organism was not her 'biological father'.

If only to twist it back into the killer -for the cushy time he'll be spending at taxpayer's expense... lazy decades... comfortably reading his prison-issue Koran.

(When all he really should be allowed to have is a lot of free rope and a how-to book on "Know-You-Knots- a concise guide to making secure knots in rope"... ---and then let a diseased conscience figure it out.)

(Any DNA testers in the U.K. with some free time?)