A Muslim woman, Heba Raouf Ezzat, defends Sharia at the German site Qantara.de, with thanks to Ali Dashti, who notes: "The Arabic word 'qantara' means 'bridge.' The Internet portal Qantara.de represents the concerted effort of the Federal Center for Political Education, Deutsche Welle, the Goethe Institut and the Institute for Foreign Relations to promote dialogue with the Islamic world. The project is funded by the German Foreign Office."
The Sharia law is not only compatible with human rights but also the most effective way to achieve human rights. Human rights violations in Muslim countries - whose regimes are usually supported by Western allies - are not due to Sharia law.The violence in Islamic countries is mainly exercised by the state and dates back to the post-colonial era. There was an attempt to secularize the different laws of the Islamic societies and to remove Sharia. The legal systems of the late French and British colonial powers were seen as a model for the judicial reformation and as a basis for modernising the state.
However, these new secular and socialist regimes were totalitarian. They manipulated the up to then independent traditional religious institutions and appointed the heads of religious bodies and universities. Islam, when reduced to a penal code, was used to violate human rights.
Modern Islamic intellectuals were influenced by this. In their eyes the state was the means by which society and religion were being reshaped. In order to achieve an Islamic renaissance - and that is why Sharia has become the marker of the Muslim state – they tried to get their hands on the state.
It's interesting in this connection that just yesterday I posted Azzam Tamimi's criticism of Khaled Abou El Fadl, which centered on El Fadl's willingness to reinterpret Sharia law:
He gives an example how Shari'ah may be re-interpreted so as to conform to the values he believes to be absolute and universal. For example, El Fadl would like to abrogate the Qur'anic rule (Al-Ma'idah, 5:38) concerning the penalty for theft El Fadl, because he thinks it is inhumane and unjust even if his view is contrary to the understanding and practice of the Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, himself and of his Companions and the scholars of Islam through the ages.
Does Heba Raouf Ezzat think that the amputation of hands for theft is compatible with human rights? Stoning for adultery? Death for apostasy? These are not the results of secularism or Westernization. These are pure Sharia. Would she deny that, or deny that they are incompatible with human rights? Either way, do her words then have any value at all?
A legal system that does not, prima facie, give equal weight in principle to every witness, regardless of sex, religion or social status cannot be compatible with human rights.
To enshrine in law that the evidence of a woman is worth less than a man is incompatible. And that not because of some vaguely patronising prejudice but actually laid down as to how many women are needed to match the testimony of a man (is it 2 or 4)
To enshrine in law that the evidence of a Moslem is worth more than that of an infidel is incompatible.
To enshrine in law that the inheritance of a daughter should be half that of a son is incompatible.
Just browse the archives of Dhimmi Watch for examples too numerous to mention.
Roman Law had lots of case law about slaves. It was taught (and may still be somewhere)as recently as the 1970s because it is the basis of the Napoleonic Code which is used in Scotland. I remember being shown an old exam paper with a question about a slave run over by a runaway chariot. But times changed, we no longer have slavery, and the European legal systems moved with them. Sharia cannot move on until and unless Islam moves on and how many pages of Jihad watch have been devoted to that!
This is just laughable. What do they hold us for, idiots? These are feeble attempts at getting people to think positively about Islamic law. Their agenda should be clear by now. Every muslim that does not unequivocally denounce Islamic law has no place in the West. You either support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or you support the Islamic Declaration of Human Rights which was drawn up because the universally accepted one didn't gel with Islamic law. You can't have it both ways. Even a monkey knows you can't put a square block into a round hole, why can't these muslims figure that out?
"You can't have it both ways. Even a monkey knows you can't put a square block into a round hole, why can't these muslims figure that out?"
Leveller:
There are enough dumb Germans out there who are keen on being stuffed with Islamic propaganda.
Is Islam Compatible with Human Rights?
http://knowislam.info/drupal/humanrights
I wonder whether Heba Raouf Ezzat thinks the mullah-f*ckers of Iran constitute a democractic or totalitarian state?
Shari'a lite is hitting Canada, and some of us in the Western world think it's time to hit back. Dhimmitude is capitulation. If we don't capitulate, no dhimmitude. So, how do we not capitulate? We start, I suggest, by forming a united and organized oppositon of members of our societies, of our neighborhoods, and even within our families. More particularly, we some readers of jihadwatch have set up a forum to begin active resistence to dhimmitude andjihad altogether. you can link to this group of jw contributors at http://jwunited.blogspot.com. Go to the comments: #xx and click to enter.
Look at it this way: We are daily reacting to Islam.
Who are these people? Why the hell are they doing this? What gives them the right to bring into our nations their 7th century barbarism and impose it, if only as a beginning, on women in our communites? If it's not right for me to be subject to tribal laws from 7th century Arabia, then it's not right for the lady next door to have to suffer that crap. and it ain't right. We are not putting up with it any more.
Leveller, I wrote to you recently asking you to join us at jwunited. I invite all people who are willing to put in some effort to bring some sense and decency back to our lands. this situation is so wrong that our societies must be stunned to allow this to occur. We aren't putting up with this any longer without organizing to fight back.
Who is that stupid bitch? What on Earth makes these people think they can bring in laws and tribal customs to our lands and make us endure it? No way. We've reached the limit. It's tide-turning time. Let's wash this crap right off the ground and into the sewer where it belongs.
Apparently Ms. Ezzat believes she is addressing the same people who believed that "Arbeit Macht Frei". Perhaps someone forgot to inform her that we are still in the process of exterminating the ideology that spawned such beliefs.
If jwunited is jambed, please go to the first thread of Jan 9, "Jihadists...." I''ve run a row of stars and x.s across the division from last day till now.
sonofwalker,
When I access JW united, I do not see a thread for Jan 9 entitled, "Jihadists..."
Moe-
Dag failed to specify that the thread is in Jihad Watch. See you there.
Blatant example of Taqqiya. And they wonder why we have zero respect for their attempts at "bridgebuilding."
Disgusting.
Shari'a compatible with the UDHR?
PUHLEEEZE!!!!
Where's the ban on genocide?
Where's the ban on slavery?
Where's the ban on incitement to violence and hostility?
Where's the ban or infringeing freedom religion?
Where's the ban on infingeing freedom of thought and expression?
Heba Raouf Ezzat's words have NO value, unless, of course, you value taqiyya.
Reza Afshari has written at length on the incompatibility of Shari'a and the rights recognized in, inter alia, the American Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Muslim states understand this; they refused to adhere to the Universal Declaration (save for Iran during the Shah's antediluvian reign -- a phrase which, come to think of it, expresses perfectly how floods come to be). Instead, they came up with Human Rights Lite, otherwise known as the "Islamic Declaration of Human Rights," id est -- the Shari'a, in all its glory. "War is deceit," Muhammad is reported isnadically to have said. Muhammad would have been proud.
ANSWER:
No.
Next question.
Things are not all bleak. I've been discussing some of the issues raised in this site with an Iranian colleague and he informs me through his various activities as a Persian nationalist that, to the great majority of Iranians, the Islamic regime in Iran is synonymous with oppression - when the regime is overthrown, so too is Islam. We could witness the first de-Muslimization of a major country. The average Iranian considers the Mullahs to be Arab lackeys imposing an alien creed on Persians.
Allan@Aberdeen says,
"The average Iranian considers the Mullahs to be Arab lackeys imposing an alien creed on Persians."
I wonder to what extent the average Persian believes this to be an alien creed?
Is it possible that the only thing the good Iranians object to is the imposition of the Arabic language concerning this creed?
One has to ask these questions considering Persia was/is an adamant follower of this Arabian borne advent.
One also has to consider the nationalistic pride to the Iranians.
I certainly doubt there will be, anytime soon, a "de-Muslimization" of Iran.
A "de-Mullahization" is more accurate.
It is certainly alien to Canada and the USA Now if the Africans and the dhimmis of Europe, Canada and the USA (amongst others) would see that same light, the world would be a much better place.
Debate in Germany: "Are Sharia Laws and Human Rights Compatible?"
Debate in Germany (#2): "Is it painful to nail your penis to a plank of wood?"
Debate in Germany (#3): "Do bricks float?"
Debate in Germany (#4): "Is it good for cows to drink petrol?"
Timbo, LOL!
To Allen@Aberdeen and Moe's Foe,
I too have been looking at Iran with interest for some time. Moe, you are correct, the whole thing collapses if the mullahs lose their grip. Indeed, they are key. Many Iranians are young (18 to 30) with an eye towards the West. That is not to suggest that they want to be like us, just that they have their ears pricked. It will likely take some incident, be it large or small, that will cause an inferno of sorts. Many muslims are looking at the upcoming Iraqi elections and the Abbas election in Israel (I refuse to call it by that other blasphemous name) with intense interest. Too soon to say if anything concrete will come about this anytime soon, but believe me the Iranian mullahs are scared sh*tless. Let Freedom Reign!!
Sharia in Canada:
Tonight the Coren show will debate the Shariah issue for use by Muslims in Canada,the show is on satellite channels or if you're in Toronto or Ottawa ca Corens website lists the cable choices.
http://michaelcoren.com/
Take note the Tarek Fatah runs a spin-off Org. after he left the C.I.C. that still employs
the imfamous President (Dr Mohamed Elmasry, a professor of computer engineering at the University of Waterloo, is national president of the Canadian Islamic Congress. He can be reached at np@canadianislamiccongress.com) that denied his claims made on public TV that "All Israelis over 18 are valid targets for murder by suicide-bombers because of the State-Army draft system"
and now spews newer antisemetic messages on the C.I.C. site below. http://www.canadianislamiccongress.com/index.php
Here's the link to the defence for demanding Shariah in Canada:
http://www.canadianislamiccongress.org/mc/media_communique.php?mcdate=2004-12-23
CAIR also is trying to sneak Shariah in the back door through the "Family-Law" system that we know will expand to private practises of Shariah in Mosques that the Public will never know about.
Here's CAIR's stance on Shariah-law that it now
want to remove the word "Shariah" from the debate.
http://www.caircan.ca/itn_more.php?id=A1141_0_2_0_M
As much as I'd love to send emails to the bozo's at CAIR-Canada,they love to refer any "Hostile" comments to the RCMP as a "Hate-Crime" and death threat via the internet.
The current posting by Anti-CAIR that spells out a 1 trillion dollar Class-action suit for a 9/11 connection and psychological intimidation
to silence any critical views of Islam has made my day.
After I read it I needed a cigarette and a moist towelette to clean up,and I don't even smoke
so YOU know I really climaxed with elation.
NO SHARIAH - KNOW FREEDOM