Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald considers the implications of the possibility that the charges are true that the Armanious family murders were religiously motivated:
To understand better what is not only past in Islam, but also passing and, most importantly, to come, members of the security services in the Western world should learn what Islam teaches its adherents, whether they ignore most of those teachings and in fact dissent (and do not do so merely for the sake of infidel good will), from them (the so-called “moderates”) or whether they choose to follow those teachings in a more observant fashion (what we may call the “rigorist” or “immoderate” Muslims, of whom there are a great many).Islam is based on divisions, or perhaps one should say polarities. And these polarities explain the widespread bipolar disorder of Muslim peoples, swinging from gloom (as in June, 1967) to elation (as on the afternoon of September 11, 2001). For Infidels, the main polarity to be aware of in Islam is the absolute divide between the Believer and the Unbeliever. Fellow Believers must be supported, must never have war made upon them in the service of Unbelievers (or Infidels). Unbelievers, on the other hand, must not be taken as friends (“Christians and Jews are friends with each other”), not be treated as equals but subject to all sorts of disabilities, and while they may be exploited in every possible way, that exploitation should not lead to any felt gratitude toward the Infidels. The Iraqi who told an NPR interviewer (Deborah Amos) on Jan. 22 that the Americans “must leave” but only after they “stop terrorism” and “fix everything,” was perfectly willing to have American soldiers fight and die to end terrorism by some Muslims, for the sake of other Muslims who apparently disagree with the President’s notion that “freedom isn’t free” (they are quite content, at least, to pay for that “freedom” not out of their own pockets, but to pick the pockets of the obliging, trusting, ever-generous and hopeful Americans). If the Shi’a are now “supporting the elections, it is only because they know they will win those elections, and not because they have, all of a sudden, become staunch democrats and great readers of The Federalist and John Stuart Mill. They will bide their time, take power, and continue to regard all Infidels as “najis” or unclean. Despite the opinions expressed by some, including the convert to Sufi Islam Stephen Schwartz, or Reuel Gerecht, who assured a CNN audience that the Islamic Republic of Iran had “run its course” more than a decade ago, and therefore presumably, we can stop worrying about it – unfortunately someone forgot to tell the Teheran regime that it had “run its course” and its time was up, and that it really should stop constructing those nuclear weapons. Shi’a as compared to Sunni may in Iraq, as in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, be slightly more sinned against than sinning, but this does not make them the friends of Infidels. Americans should expect no gratitude for having rescued them from the monstrous regime of Saddam Hussein, which had lasted for 35 years, and was prepared to last for another 35.
The division between Believer and Infidel in the world is mirrored in how the world itself is divided, between Dar al-Islam, the lands were Islam rules and Muslims dominate (though they need not be a majority of the population), and dar al-harb, the House of War, where Infidels, for now, have not yet been conquered, by whatever means, and subjugated to Islam.
The divisions of the great world are mirrored in the divisions that rule all of life. Everything one does is either halal (permited, licit) or haram (prohibited, illicit). It is all laid down, or if not laid down in some book, then a fatwa or opinion may serve as the final guide of how a Muslim should act. Muslims living in the Lands of the Infidels face new questions. May they, for example, obey Infidel laws? (Answer: Only to the extent that those laws do not contravene Islam.) Now a good guide to what is halal and what is haram is Al-Halal wal Haram fil Islam by the well-known Qaradawi, who now lives in Qatar (also the home of Al-Jazeera). Hairdos in the shape of a camel’s hump? Haram. Statues that have not been vandalized or defaced? Haram. A nice glass of fruit juice? Halal. A leg of lamb, from a lamb that has been killed in the Halal manner (oops, this is a trick question). Halal.
A few years ago Michael Cook wrote his Commanding Right and Prohibiting Wrong in Islam. In Christianity, one is expected to promote what is “right”, and to discourage people from doing “wrong.” The Christian version of Cook’s book would be Commending Right and Discouraging Wrong. What a difference a vowel makes. Islam is all about power; Islam commands, Islam forbids, Islam demands of Believers absolute slavish submissiveness to the Rules of Islam. And Unbelievers, too, must obey the rules of the game, for if they are allowed to live, they owe their very lives to Muslims who have generously permitted that – in return for behaving as dhimmis, and for not putting up resistance to the spread of Islam.
The Armanious family had overstepped those rules. The father, who defended the Copts and attacked the treatment they had historically received from Muslims, expressed these views on Muslim websites. Sylvia the 15-year-old daughter, was proud to defend, even to promote among others, her own faith. Either the father, or Sylvia, or perhaps both of them, had violated what is demanded of dhimmis.
By all the laws of civilization and of the United States of America, the butchery that followed was strictly wrong, forbidden, prohibited, haram. According, however, to the fanatical views of the “immoderate” Muslims (as opposed the other kind about which he hear so much, but from whom we hear so little), this family of Copts, the descendants of the original inhabitants of Egypt and ever since the arrival of Islam, a group persecuted in their own country, had come from Egypt, and knew the Muslim rules. Yet here in America, members of this family made the mistake of thinking they were free to act as free Americans, and had dared to violate those rules. According, however, to the fanatical views of the “immoderate” Muslims (as opposed the other kind, about which we hear so much, and from whom we hear so little), the whole Armanious family deserved what they got (as part of “an intense Islamic revolution all across America that holds the right and bring down [sic] the falsehood that they’ve created” as someone says at an Islamic website), for in the eyes of their killers and those killers’ open or secret supporters, they should have behaved in America just as Copts are made to behave in Egypt. To many Muslims, the Christians of the Middle East are supposed to carry their dhimmitude with them, and these Copts violated their pact. They owed everything, the celebrated kindness of Islam, which allowed them to live as long as they strictly adhered to the rules of dhimmitude. This they failed to do. They may have been butchered, but it was strictly according to the rules. They violated their agreement, and lost the right to live. Whoever killed them acted, it would seem, in defense of Islam and against these Copts who had forgotten their place. Que voulez-vous, monsieur? Don’t worry. It was all strictly halal.
On the subject of forbidding the haram and enjoining the halal, the following would appear to state that violence is the first resort for islam:
"Muslim relates on the authority of Abu Sa`id (radhiallahu `anhu) that the Prophet sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said, "Whoever sees something evil should change it with his hand. If he cannot, then with his tongue; and if he cannot do even that, then in his heart. That is the weakest degree of faith."
http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=345
Someone once said:
Our Deity becomes our wish writ large
Good wishes bring faiths of compassion
Dark wishes, a retrogressive nightmare.
Thanks, Hugh.
Ot~ Update, news on leftist support of islamic jihadist terrorism:
http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/1/23/192143.shtml
On why the Iraqi elections must go forward:
http://techcentralstation.com/012405B.html
What if Al Gore had been president?
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16727
More on the academic islamic front:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16722
Another soldier for kj and giaour to diss:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16729
On the commanded and prohibited in Islam
This is not religion , this is a book of self centered opportunists and greed mongers, take and take and take is all I seen, use people, let them help you and them kick sand in their face, and if they dont apprciate the sand you crammed down their throats, cut off their heads, sounds more like the book of how to be the devil than how to live religously.
January 24, 2005
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
Egypt & America
Pharaoh country was cursed with plagues and his hosts were lost in the Red Sea for striving to Retain a captive people who had already served them more then 400 years may like disasters never be fall on Us. Abraham Lincoln
Now look at the Iraqi People they have been held as slaves to the monsters like saddam[FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD] and now the Islamic Terrorist want to keep them as Slaves and the USA and Friends have come to set them FREE will they Take this Opportunity to have FREEDOM??
Ba wow Boxer is claming victim status after her attack on Dr. Rice???
Isn’t that like the Killer claiming to be the Victim??
Is this not what Islamic Terrorist do Kill then Claim to be the Victims
We See it all over the World as they kill the People take their Lands then Cry but you don't understand we were the Victims??
Time to call the Spade the Spade!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to Stay the course to Victory [FREEDOM] to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Evil give the World Strength to Stand and Fight this Evil Amen
This senseless murder, probably carried out by members of a cult who's philosophy of rite and wrong resembles Planet of the Apes, has still not become the media story it deserves.
We mustn't let this story die, or it will only encourage them to do this again.
Islam demands monkey see, monkey do. The first commandment of Islam is to copy the life of Muhammad. He was the perfect man, he lead the perfect life and is worthy of emulation by all human beings.
And what a life this perfect man lead:
All you people who are raving about this case might well consider the damage that you will have done to the antijihad cause if it turns out not to have been a sectarian murder.
MANY OF THE SUPPOSED 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.
The world's media has reported that many of the so-called hijackers "fingered" by the FBI are still alive. For example the BBC (British Broadcasting Cooperation) carried this report:
Hijack "suspects" alive and well.
The following article is a remake of http://www.mujahideen.fsnet.co.uk/wtc/wtc-hijackers.htm (this link is no longer active) which lists many of the media articles dealing with the hijackers who were not hijackers.
Abdul Aziz Al-Omari (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)
The identities of two men with the same name have been cobbled together to create an FBI "terrorist". Both are Alive!
The first has the same name, the same birth date as one of the FBI "terrorists" but has no idea how to fly.
The second has the name Abdul Rahman Al-Omari and a different birth date, but is the person pictured by the FBI and is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines.
Here are some quotes from the world's media concerning them.
Omari Number 1
"A Saudi man has reported to authorities that he is the real Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, and claims his passport was stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver. Al-Omari says he informed police of the theft." - ABCNews
"I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001
"The name (listed by the FBI) is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York," Abdul Aziz Al-Omari told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper.
"Al-Omari has since been found in Saudi Arabia and is apparently cleared in the case" - New York Times
"Saudi Embassy officials in Washington have challenged his identity. They say a Saudi electrical engineer named Abdul Aziz Al-Omari had his passport and other papers stolen in 1996 in Denver when he was a student and reported the theft to police there at the time." - BBC
"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate)
Omari Number 2
Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media.
"Abdul Aziz Al-Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines" - BBC 23rd September 2001
"A pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking as well as being dead and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation." - Independent 17th September 2001
This Al-Omari lives with his wife and four children in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
Saeed Al-Ghamdi (Flight 93) (Trained Pilot)
"Saeed Al-Ghamdi is one of three hijackers that US officials have said are linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network." - BBC
No BBC! Mr. Al-Ghamdi is still alive and well and at his job for Tunis Air.
"I was completely shocked. For the past 10 months I have been based in Tunis with 22 other pilots learning to fly an Airbus 320. The FBI provided no evidence of my presumed involvement in the attacks." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001
"Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Al-Ghamdi." - BBC 23rd September 2001
"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate)
"..... not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington." - Saudi embassy
Waleed Al-Shehri (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)
"A sixth person on the FBI's list, Saudi national Waleed Al-Shehri, is living in Casablanca, according to an official with the Royal Air Moroc, the Moroccan commercial airline. According to the unnamed official, Al-Shehri lived in Dayton Beach, Fla., where he took flight training at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Now he works for a Moroccan airline." On Sept. 22, Associated Press reported that Alshehri had spoken to the U.S. embassy in Morocco.
"His photograph was released by the FBI, and has been shown in newspapers and on television around the world. That same Mr Al-Shehri has turned up in Morocco, proving clearly that he was not a member of the suicide attack." - Daily Trust 24th September 2001.
"He was reported to have been in Hollywood, Florida, for a month earlier this year but his father, Ahmed, said that Waleed was alive and well and living in Morocco." - Telegraph
"Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well." - BBC 23rd September 2001.
Ahmed Al-Nami (Flight 93)
"I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked." He had never lost his passport and found it "very worrying" that his identity appeared to have been "stolen" and published by the FBI without any checks. The FBI had said his "possible residence" was Delray Beach in Florida." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001
Salem Al-Hazmi (Flight 77)
"Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001.
Khalid Al-Mihdhar (Flight 77)
"Saudi officials at the embassy were unable to verify the whereabouts of the fifth accused hijacker, Khalid Al-Mihdhar. However, Arab newspapers say Al-Mihdhar is still alive.
"..... there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar may also be alive." - BBC 23rd September 2001
Others accused of being involved:
Ameer Bukhari
"Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash last year." - CNN Correction
Adnan Bukhari
"Adnan Bukhari is still in Florida" - CNN Correction
Amer Kamfar
".... that a suspect sought by the FBI, Amer Kamfar, was in fact an alive pilot in Arabia. " - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 [translate]
Even after the above has appeared in the world's media the FBI has made no attempt to alter its web-sites which clearly list the wrong names, wrong photos, wrong identities and probably wrong nationalities of the real hijackers.
Given that the hijackers (if there were any) were clearly using false identities, why has the FBI never attempted to find out the hijackers true identities? Why does the FBI seem totally disinterested in apprehending the real culprits? This lack of action from one of our "trusted" government departments is very close to treason.
THE ARABS ARE NOT TO BLAME FOR THE WTC ATTACK.
The evidence is such that the only people we can be sure DID NOT carry out the WTC bombing are the Arabs.
The trouble with the case against bin Laden and the Arabs, so far, is that it is laughable. It is a joke.
1) The WTC attack, described as brilliantly planned and executed by professionals, who some how forget to acquire (easily obtainable) false driver's licenses for identification and, if you can believe it (and most people can not) used their real names when boarding the aircraft. The FBI suspect list was comprised using the assumption that those on the passenger lists had used their real names (real smart,.. these guys really earn their money eh?).
2) These same professionals, leave a car at an airport (which is found within hours of the attack,.. what a surprise!) with incriminating documents (a flight training manual in Arabic). Professionals, (actually any sane persons) not wanting their "ground support" to be compromised, would take taxis to the airports.
3) When it is established that many, if not all the hi-jackers were using false identities the FBI suspect list did not change (yeah, morons run the FBI).
4) One of the accused carries a passport on an internal flight (in case he wants to travel overseas after the attack).
5) This passport, originally in the accuseds luggage or on his person, rips through the suitcase or jacket, survives the fireball, punches a hole through the WTC and then flutters to the ground a few blocks away. Fortunately, the passport had the name of the accused on it and is generally in great condition, although apparently somewhat muddy.
6) One of the accused (Mohammed Atta) packs a suitcase (in case he wants to visit relatives for a few days after the attack) with a "how to be a terrorist in the US" document (just part of the professionalism, mentioned above) that just happens not to be loaded on the plane (so that the incriminating document survives,.. what a surprise!).
7) Mohammed Atta travels to Portland Maine to fly to Boston (why not drive straight to Boston) and transfer to the suicide flight. This is utterly unbelievable. This introduces a huge potential problem. What happens if his flight is delayed. How embarrassing for the so called leader of the terrorists, if he can't make his connection. That would throw a spanner in the works. Transferring flights like this offers no upside but huge downside, and is considerable evidence that Atta has been framed.
Surely what is of note in this case is that the Copts in Jersey City seem to have little doubt as to who carried out, or was behind, the murder. The fury expressed against Muslims and against Islam at the funeral, a fury heightened by what the Copts in attendence took to be a transparent attempt by one Muslim cleric to make an appearance not out of any real sympathy, but only, the Copts believed, to shore up the Muslim position with the American media.
That suspicion, that fury, tells us a good deal about what the Copts must have suffered at the hands of Muslims, in Egypt and even here. And that remains true, no matter who committed the murder, though we are entitled to speculate reasonably. If the Louvre is bombed tomorrow, it would -- given what we know about the Islamic atittude toward almost all art, reasonably believe that Muslims were behind it, even if in the end it turned out to be someone else.
Furthermore, the statements quoted in the press by Muslims in Jersey City are entirley full of self-pity ("Why does everyone blame us?" "We are 'sick of this crap' about Islam.") and noticeably devoid of any expressed pity for the murdered family of Copts.
Finally, one can find expressions of satisfaction about the murder at Muslim websites about the murder. Those remarks should not be forgotten.
All of these -- the suspicions of the Copts, based on their felt history of persecution, and their belief that Muslims are quite capable of such actions (now, where would they get such ideas, if not from their entire life experience?), and the behavior of Muslim neighbors devoid of sympathy, and of other Muslims crowing at the event -- remain true no matter who committed the murders.
But the point remains: the father and the older daughter were too proud, too unapologetic, too enthusiastic, about their Christian beliefs, and this infuriated Muslims who believe that once a dhimmi, always a dhimmi (one wonders about the Chalden Christians out in Dearborn, as they worry over their relatives subject to Muslim attack in Iraq). It is hardly unreasonable to conclude, at this point, that it was for that they were killed. And if it should prove otherwise, there is still the matter of how the Copts have reacted, and how the Muslims, which tells us a good deal.
Hugh:They owed everything, the celebrated kindness of Islam, which allowed them to live as long as they strictly adhered to the rules of dhimmitude. This they failed to do. They may have been butchered, but it was strictly according to the rules. They violated their agreement, and lost the right to live. Whoever killed them acted, it would seem, in defense of Islam and against these Copts who had forgotten their place. .
How very true. So the message of this murder goes out not just to the Copts, but to the Jews, the Spanish, the Hindus, and all the rest who managed to throw out their muslim overlords. According to the muslim believer, all these people have broken the treaty that they made with their muslim lords. There can be no mercy for them until they re-state islamic rule in Andalusia, Israel and India.
Now wasn't there some muslims claiming that North America, and even Australia, was discovered by muslims? Would an acceptance of such a claim, give islamists the legality in their eyes any way, to justify their jihad?
I'm aghast that Pres Bush continues to invoke islam as a RoP. Further, as he did in his inauguration speech, to include the koran as a founding document of the USA, a totally false statement, can have very dangerous consequences.
We had better start getting used to incidents of such ritual slaughter in our midst. This is bound to happen in the near term, in America particularly, as Americans take for granted that the first amendment grants them freedom of speech. They will excercise it and pay the price. But after several such slaughters of American infidels, they too will learn, that the first amendment is not absolute and is restricted by sharia.
It is most definitely an A/B choice, A)believers
B) Non- believers, black & white, night or day, yes or no question that Islam wants, there is no in-between, grey area, or maybe's here.
Confessing that I am Al Kufr and DAMN proud of it I look forward to professing my faith in YKWH and his SON ISA forever pushing you down.
All you people who are raving about this case might well consider the damage that you will have done to the antijihad cause if it turns out not to have been a sectarian murder.
If this one case is not jihad (which is too much of an "if" to be thinking "what if"), there are still thousands upon thousands of Islamic murders in Egypt, Sudan, etc. etc.
In Egypt, Coptic Christians suffer a lot of violence from islamists. Do American Christians know? No, they don't. Such news isn't reported, it's not PC. People are killed and nuns are raped in the name of Allah. But we're still looking for some other motivation, still looking for something nice to say.
Whitequeen-
We've heard this again, and again, and again.
With apologies to my comrades who warn against the "feeding of trolls," and while honestly acknowledging that at least one purported hijacker might be a case of mistaken identity due to passport theft---
Can you produce a picture of Mohammed Atta, if he's alive? No? Ever talk to the flight school people in Florida, where these terrorists received their training? No?
So you're saying, no doubt, that it was the evil Zionist Jews who did this.
So tell me where Atta is now.
Before you know it, you'll be telling us it's the Amish who are behind the headchoppings in Iraq.
DPP
It is true that some Muslims have claimed the land of Australia.
But the reasons given, that Muslim sailors visited Australia before the arrival of Infidels etc etc, is just more Taqiya for the lowly westerners.
The real reason is that ALL LANDS on the planet earth are deemed to be Islamic lands.Lands that will revert to Islam through the waging of jihad.
How many times have Jews pointed out that they were present in israel thousands of years before the prophet was born and the subsequent conquest of the Middle east ?
This argument has zero value to Islamists, since they believe that all the Jews who lived in Israel prior to the arrival of the Prophet were (closet)Muslims who had not yet discovered the true faith.
This is how i understand the claim by muslims that the Whole world belongs to Islam.
But please feel free to enlighten me on this subject.
Regardless of whether or not this is a "sectarian murder," Hugh's explanation of what is "commanded" and what is "prohibited" is necessary for us to understand how the Muslim world works.
The complaining we hear from trolls and others could be that Muslims prefer that we don't understand until it's too late. At that time the only knowledge required will be how to be good dhimmis.
In case you haven't heard whitequeen, Osama bin Laden admitted masterminding 9-11. He even made a video in which he lauded the hijackers and humbly accepted the accolades of the muslim world for his superb leadership and great victory. Did you miss it?
Why do you waste your propaganda here? Surely it would be better received at IslamOnline, home of "the mother of all conspiracy theories."
As for the BBC, who would believe the world's champion islamic apologists and foremost America haters?
Susan
you mean Osama LIED? and took the credit for the work of Maossad and the CIA!
Michael Moore where are you? How did you leave this out of F911?
"The following article is a remake of http://www.mujahideen.fsnet.co.uk/wtc/wtc-hijackers.htm (this link is no longer active) which lists many of the media articles dealing with the hijackers who were not hijackers.
Posted by: whitequeen at January 24, 2005 05:19 PM "
Wow! Talk about an impressive, authoratative source -- a website that's no longer active.
Courtesy of Hugh, from another thread, for those of you who might have missed it (especially whitequeen), a little literary insight into our persistent troll:
"I can believe six impossible things before breakfast" the White Queen tells Alice.
george:
Yes, I'm fully aware that in islamic belief, all the world is allah's and it the muslims heritage. Muslims are silent on this for the moment but only till their population in the West becomes large enough, so that it makes no difference what we think or do.
But what is satisfying is that many people are beginning to understand the seriousness of the situation - though not enough, and not vociferous enough to make a political impact.
Here is what Omar Bakri said
Bakri: "The life of estrangement will lead… to [a] change in the situation of the country in which we live, as the Muslims changed the situation in Abyssinia and Indonesia. Allah willing, we will transform the West into Dar Al-Islam [that is, a region under Islamic rule] by means of invasion from without. If an Islamic state arises and invades [the West] we will be its army and its soldiers from within. If not, [we will change the West] through ideological invasion from here, without war and killing." .
What he fails to mention is the demographic invasion.
demographic invasion is high on the islamic agenda here in scotland the fourth most popular name is mohamad i heard an islamic cleric at a inter religious meeting proclaim from the podium that through your democrasy we will invade you and through our religion we will dominate you .we now have 10% muslims in this country they influence many areas of our life without any respect for our traditions or history .we have openly hatefull groups working out of every mosque riasing money for jihad in palastine iraq chechenya and many other places.we even have muslim parlimentry members who support these groups.i worked as a youth worker in glasgow in a prodominently muslim area of glasgow ,when septemder 11 happend the muslims cheered .when i asked why they were doing this they said they were getting litrature from the mosque saying america was evil as well as my own country ,iwent to the mosque several times and sure enough there was the material ,full of hate encouraging them to go to israel ,chechenya ,india.i took this to the press but they did absolutly nothing they wre to scared. it is to late now for trhis country we will be forced to never help you in another endevour to ensure freedom from evil ,in my mind your stedfastness alongside israels is a light in a dark word and my hope is that you will this time now in your country to protect your rights and what is good this is a man in scotland saying please mercifull god bless america