Laser aimed at Chicago-bound jet

Anyone pointing a laser device at an aircraft has to know that it could cause a problem especially since this news is all over the media and has been for quite some time.

The key point is that these lasers are TRACKING aircraft at 9,000 ft. traveleing at 300+ mph, indicating weapons-grade instruments.

I'd love to hear what lobo91 thinks about this - although he's probably busy serving his country. :-)

Would someone please helpe me with this. How does one shine a light INTO a cockpit at altitude from the ground? It seems rather like shining a flashlight into my car from underneath the chassis. How does one do this??

cassandra:

The laser is located a distance out from the aircraft. In one case I read of recently, the light entered the cockpit from a distance of 15 miles and the pilots were able to pinoint the exact neighborhood from whence it came.

Cassandra:

It's possible that the perpetrator directed the beam into the cockpit before the jet had completed its climb to altitude. The range would only have been a few thousand feet in that case.

I did some Googling, and there are 3.5-5 milliwatt *green* laser pointers on the market for about $200. The manufacturers claim that they are powerful enough to project a dot up to 18,000 feet in the dark and up to several thousand feet in daylight. I was unaware of their existence, so I'll have to change my opinion on this matter and think that some of the incidents could be foolish pranks instead of malicious attempts against the pilots.

Weaponized lasers are dithered, meaning that the beam is swept in a pattern to cover a large area. The Chinese have developed quite a range of military applications that they routinely promote at arms shows around the world. Countermeasures could be as simple as goggles, which of course would be detested by the pilot community until a more permanent solution such as cockpit window coatings could be deployed. The goggle rules could be such that they would only be necessary below a certain altitude to coincide with "sterile" cockpit regulations for example.

Who knows if this is the media picking up on it and going insane about it or if it really is a problem. Fox News says that tis has happened 100 of times in the past. It does seem a little more suspicious to me though.

I don't know of any military anti-aircraft systems that use lasers...it's mostly ground attack based systems that do...as far as I know...

Maybe some one else here knows.

Hi everyone,

The discussion on group pro-activity has been moved to the Happy New Years thread, anyone interested in getting involved should go there.

Hi everyone I am new to this site but not new to lasers.

It would be very hard to save a pilots eyes from any careful attack by laser.
Here is why.

1) Some of the most powerful lasers are in the infrared invisable to the pilot. His eyesight would be gone before he was aware of it.

2) Many of the high powered lasers are tunable in frequencry. This means if you put up protection to filter our the common laser frequencies the enemy can pick a different frequency. The pilot has to have some frequencies open to see you can't filter all of them.

Really powerful lasers can be used to
down planes or missles themselves see
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4926840/

But the eyes of pilots will be easy to destroy we may have to have WWIII to put an end to such attacks if they become common.

My son (10) and I took a nice Sunday drive past our local airports perimeters just for a look/see and we happened across various peace agencies along these corridors hopefully doing as we were.

New here, but had to jump in - don't believe the reason for lasers is to blind pilots (though it may happen), but to take measurements and do calculations for a future event....

Found this out there on the web:

"Lasers are being used to measure straight line distance from the ground to an aircraft aircraft at its most vulnerable state - landing."

Since 2002, the FBI has been issuing warnings about shoulder fired missiles being smuggled into the U.S."

Source:
http://www.sgtstryker.com/index.php/archives/airline-laser-threat/

The terrorists are doing the groundwork, IMO, for another day. Perhaps coordinated and simultaneous.

I believe Eaglescreams is right,and i`m surprised that the FBI couldn`t figured it out,for it seems to be the obvious reason for terrorists to use laser beams to make some calculations for future attacks,such as distance,speed,direction etc.

Sorry but these incidents are too widespread and abundant to be a sudden homicidal urge overcoming loads of kids at the same time. Coincidence??? Yeah Right!!!

It just stinks of Jihad.

Here are some interesting lasers you can buy.

http://www.z-bolt.com/

I could see someone paying $500+ for a laser Star pointer and pointing it at an airplane. You would have to be miles away with the airplane flying towards you. I am not sure freehand aiming would work, unless the laser beam is really wide at that distance. It just sounds like homegrown trash to me, not jihad, to much thinking involved for them.

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Looks like they caught some dope pointing lasers at aircraft in New Jersey. He'll be going to jail and rightly so. You have to read this to believe how stupid this guy was about it too.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=385589

From: sonofwalker.

None of us ever post our names at the top of our copy. I just did so because I hope that by the time we get to this page, to this stage in our writing at this site, that we know each other well enough that the equality of all texts on the main pages is not so much an issue here. It is good to read someone's writing solely on the basis of the text, and only then to find out that though we thought that text was interesting and thoughtful and well-written, it must not have been because we don't like that person. Here, I want to post my name so you'll know straight away that I'm here, and if I'm disagreeable, you'd do well to skip over my writing. At this stage we've all developed reputations as writers, and if not, we will have to earn them.

Last post, we began the Planned Action Co-ordinating Committee. This is day two of our work. My only concern at this time in this regard is that we work in support of Spencer's efforts, and that we protect him from any mistakes we might make here.

My second emphasis is that we become an organized force. Today we meet in the Planned Action Co-ordinating Committee (PACC,) section. If you missed yesterday's session, pleaqse go back to Jan. 2, to get a general idea of our focus.

I'll return here shortly.

>and that we protect him from any mistakes we might make here.

I'm sure someone has already mentioned the need to protect "yourselves" from being associated with the possible questionable actions of others in or claiming to be part of your activist group as well. I hope so. There could be legal as well as moral obligations or consequences if you will.

Just a typical paranoid thought. I thought I would share it. Paranoia loves company you know.

f.g.

sonofwalker.

f.g. makes a worthwhile point, and one I think many others feel is valid: that if we are in conflict with our Moslem opponents, and if we act against them, then we might think we have to use the same tactics and methods they use. We might see ourselves as up against an enemy who is ruthless to the point of psychosis and think that because of them we can only be an effective counter to them by being more extreme than they.

Most of us come from backgrounds of experience in which conflict with an enemy is a neighbor who claims it's his lawn-mower, and that you did not lend it to him two years ago. He promtly returned that one, and liking it so much bought one identical to it. Mostly, our experiences of conflict do not include organizing a night watch for incoming bombers, let alone for sneaking terrorists who will shoot us and cut our throats on sun-lit streets in major cities. Frankly, folks, when it comes to this kind of work, we are not the A-team.

Could I ask for a better crew than this one in the struggle to organize to resist the Moslem encraochment in our lives, our neighborhoods,and communities, in our cities, countries and in the West generally? I will state this: that I could ask for a more experienced crew.

Our lack of experience in this fight for the Good, the ordinary things of a Human life we all live with and expect for others, the right of women to walk alone to the store, the right of men to leave therir families to pursue their own interests in life, the right of children to learn about the world at large, simple and basic things, this struggle to maintain what we had and are now in danger of losing, this struggle to gain back and to extend the Good, in this fight we lack experience, and thank God for that, for otherwise, what kind of life would we have lived? Our inexperience of the evils of Islam and fascism gives us experience in life that is paradigmatically Good. We bring to this struggle the experiences of normal and decent people who want the same for all people. That's one of our greatest strengths.

Look at yourself not as a fighter against the evils of Islam but as a person who is normal in a world imperfect. We are not going to shoot it out with the bad guys. We won't be bombing buses full of children. We won't be attacking fat guys on bicycles, nor throwing rocks at teenage girls till they die. Islam, our enemies' ideology, provokes that kind of behaviour, but we are not Moslems, and we will not act in Islamic fashion.

Many of us have questioned whether we will go to jail for our activities. That's a question from a sisnible and prudent person. My feeling is that yes, we might go to jail at some point. I want to distinguish here though that there is a difference between a criminal and a lawbreaker. None of us, to the best of my intuitive knowledge of us as a collective contributorship, have shown criminal tendencies. We're not criminals here. So, how then do I justify writing that we might go to jail? Criminals go to jail. If we aren't criminals we should be spared, right?

I won't go into the details of the French and the Dutch who are shortly facing shari'a courts, of punishments for laws that are ahistorical, imposed by an alien ideology. Our Dutch friends are screwed. I want to address the question of people living in democratic nations excersizing their rights as law-abiding citizens. Yes, I think you might well go to jail if you work within the confines of this Planned Action Co-ordinating Committee, henceforth, PACC.

I must admit that I, for one, have never been arrested in any nation that lives under the rule of law. Undoubtedly, I am any number of unpleasant kinds of man, and my ex-wife will gladly tell you in detail all about that; but I am not and have never been a criminal. You are not criminals. But yes, all of us have done criminal things, whether illegal or no. As a personal example, I did things to my sister that are criminal: I put her in the electric drier for a few turns till my mother caught me. That was a criminally stupid thing to do to a my sister, and I stll laugh about it because I'm a mean guy; but it was not illegal or ciminal in the legal sense, merely stupid and mean, and morally a criminal thing to do. It was also an imprudent thing to do because my sister's husband at the time was a very large man with a bad temper when it concerned my doings. We do bad things at times, but we are not criminals. Convesrely, we can do good things and end up in jail for our efforts.

Will we go to jail for involving ourselves in PACC activities? Let's ask ourselves if we feel secure writing to this site. Obviously we do not, since some of us do not post our full names, and very few of us give out our e-mail addresses. Ours is a dangerous gane, as we know from the example of Theo van Gogh. Some of us live in countries where writing to this site is dangerous, if not illegal. but none of us will think of ourselves as criminals for writing to this site. Others will judge us so, and though there is no law for them to point to to condemn us, nothing written in the statutes of the native land, we are in the minds of many, outright criminals deserving of death and eternal damnation. we dismiss those people as terrorists and as threatening to our way of life as well as to our persons. we are neither criminals not lawbreakers. And yet, we might well go to jail for our efforts. Jailed by our own governments. Under our own laws. By our own people.

The unarticulated question here is likely whether we can be held responsible for the criminal conspiracies of others at this meeting. There have been questions of the RICO act in America. There is concern that we might all end up in Sing Sing prison for life at hard labor for being part of some crazed terrorist conspiracy. That's a fair question from people who go to work and live normal lives. That kind of question doesn't arise in the minds and conversations of criminals and terrorists. It's not paranoid to ask if we are pushing the limits of free speech. It's smart and prudent to ask what we can do legitimately within the bounds of law and morality. and having asked that question, I say we will still run the risk of going to jail.

I'll break here for a while and resume when I've had some coffee.

I'm sure everyone has the best intentions, however I would like to state for the record that I have not associated myself in any way with PACC or any of its activities nor do I plan to.

Be careful. You may wish to take up a collection to retain a lawyer. I imagine for around $300 a member of the group could sit down with someone and get an explanation of the ramifications of loose associations with people you don't really know on the Internet. If someone commits an act of violence or other illegal act in the name of PACC or whatever are you culpable? At what point do you become responsible for someone else’s hate speak as well?

I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but you need to give this serious thought. My gut feeling is … bad idea. High risk, low yield, dangerous growth potential. I’m sure Jihad Wath would appreciate more donations or a donation drive just as much.

f.g.

sonofwalker.

If we, as law-abiding citizens do nothing illegal, how is it that I suggest we might yet find ourselves in jail? I do not suggest that we demonstrate on the sidewalk and riot in the streets like anti-war protesters of the 60's. None of us build bombs in the basement, nor do we shoot at policemen or rob banks. Our efforts follow in the wake of Spencer's and Hugh's: in furthering the cause of education and publicity in the realm of Islamic peril to our lives and nations. I'm not asking to take to the streets in mass demonstrations, not even that we form clandestine networks for the purpose of overthrowing the government of the day by violence. So, if we act as public educators, peaceful leafleteers, and chatters in coffee shops, how on Earth do we end up in jail?

As Robert and Hugh point out almost daily, our moslem opponents do not restrict themselves exclusively to violence and carnage: they resort to taqiyyah and da'wa; to bribery and intimidation; to infiltrating our universities and schools; to mainipulating our media and our very cultural responses to jihad. By doing nothing at all, we run the very real risk of becoming law-breakers in our own lands: by writing letters and leafleting on corners. Forget the dramatic cases of Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders, and the dutch altogether. Look instead to the Australian churchmen charged, tried, and found guilty of "hate-mongering' when they read passages from the Koran.

I don't think we are next on the list. As far asI can understand things, we must be very far down th list of usual suspects. Robert, on the other hand, is likely very high. If we associate ourselves in public with him and his cause, our cause, we might well go to jail for the very same struggle the Australians are engaged in: Our lives and the lives of our nations.

I argue that in regards to police interest in our activities, we are under the radar altogether. Yes, we do stand the chance of going to jail, and the posibility is real simply because of the dhimmi nature of our governments. We could conceivabley go to jail for any slight we might make in public if a Moslem complains. realistically, I think each and every one of us is safe from arbitrary arrest--so far.

I'll come back to the question of sub-committees soon. I hope that we can work actively on the complimentary side of Spencer's activities. If that is of appeal to you, let's break down our tasks, set goals, and begin to organize effectively, legally, and prudently.

Well, as I was typing f.g. posted some further concern. I think it's worth discussing.

Sonofwalker is right - as long as one sticks to peaceful, lawful activity there's no reason to fear being thrown into jail. I've been involved with lobbying activities for human rights NGOs that criticized government policy and not once has "Plain White Van, Inc." showed up outside my house.
Perhaps we're looking at this the wrong way. It's been said before that the issues we discuss here are fundamentally human rights issues - religious freedom, womens rights, or as Article 28 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states, the right to live in "social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized". As long as we fight this battle out along human rights lines and stay within our lawful freedoms of peaceful expression we're not going to land in jail any more than any Amnesty International activist is going to land in jail for protesting the mass rape of Darfuri women in Sudan, for example.
As for the question of "If someone commits an act of violence or other illegal act in the name of PACC or whatever are you culpable?", let me refer you to the case of Randall Royer, a former communications director at CAIR serving a 20 year prison term on a federal weapons conviction. Was CAIR held culpable for Royer's actions? Of course not, because CAIR is not responsible for what their employees do outside the organization.
I do think that the issue of liability does need to be considered, but that can be handled in the same way businessmen handle such issues by incorporating their businesses.
If we're going to pursue this, we do need establish an identity and a structure. As sonofwalker and Susan have pointed out, this means delegating responsibilities amongst the members of this group - no individual member should be overwhelmed with an excessive amount of responsibilites and work.
I'll end this post and look for feedback.

Actually, let me chime in on organization and responsibilities real quick:
From my own experience, the best way this is handled is by people volunteering to participate in some function or activity that involves their own particular interests, skills and talents. This makes for a more effective and motivated group.
Another thing we're going to have to address is being able to communicate amongst one another outside of these threads, which is where this planning really should be going on. We do need to establish an effective communications network ASAP.

I have always far too much to write, and I'd like to leave this forum open to other opinions than my own. but before I go, I received some very attractive hand-out material from a fellow contributor to this site. I sent it to Susan B, who will in turn forward it to thsoe who are interested and willing to pass it out.

I agree with Mike that this is not a nation that practices "collective punishment." Nevertheless, if anyone is nervous about the activities we hope to engage in, this is the forum in which to voice those concerns. if one feels this is turning into a terrorist training camp on the internet, that would be genuine cause for concern. My intention, and Susan b's and the rest of those who come to this section, is to further Spencer's work by practical means such as writing effective letter to appropriat media, stocking library shelves with relevant books, and handing out leaflets and meeting with neighbors, community members, and c.

I don not mean to dismiss f.g.'s concerns out ogf hand. If there is concern from one, there must be concern from others, and this is a necessary part of defining who we are collectively and what we intend to do in the physical world of our communities.

I feel that I've put enough of my opinions into this discussion for today, so I'll monitor the responses and will return to this fully tomorrow. from there I think I will find us again at the first post of the next day's letters, Jan. 4, 05. If anyone cares to, please go to the last post and run a string of stars across the page to signal where we can take up this discussion again.

WHAT HAVE WE BECOME?
I'M SCARED,AFRAID,TOO MUCH TO LOOSE ETC.,.

Our founding father's were probably afraid as well but what they were afraid of they repealed.

I too am afraid of;governments ignoring the facts,media biased coverage,soldiers dying,civilian casualties,China,N.Korea,Iran,France,The EU,lost freedoms,no freedoms,economy,what's being taught in schools,what's not,you get the point!

Yes a cornered Rat is a mighty foe; how about a little something today from Patrick Henry:
"The battle,Sir, is not to the strong alone,it is to the vigilant,the active,the brave".

PS- sonofwalker; add to your to do list some one to set us up a secure site to participate on this subject as we mean no harm nor are we going to be doing anything to break the law intentionally. Hate laws vary from state to state and making a statement of bodily harm might get us tossed from time to time but I look at the silver lining in that cloud because if I get tossed I will be singing the name Jesus and God to all the incarcerated muslims and will guide them to true faith.

Chuck, sonofwalker-
I am sure you agree that it will be no problem steering clear of any legal entanglements - we all can clearly differentiate between rational, reasonable discourse and hate speech.
I would like to reiterate something sonofwalker recently stated, and it is this: we need to approach this in a positive, constructive manner where we are defending and promoting what we support (human rights, democracy, etc.). Where people often get themselves into trouble is when they settle into a negative, destructive modus operandi where they are acting AGAINST what they oppose. Quite simply, you will be perceived according to how you project yourself - it's Media Arts 101 stuff.
As for myself, I'm not bailing on this effort. I don't share the pessimism that many may have expressed regarding this endeavor - the concerns expressed here can be addressed and resolved. As long as we remain guided by the better angels of our nature we will be just fine.

Chuck H:

Thanks for the words of comfort Mike.

Do you think that that part of islam which grinds fear into not only people but nations is what happened here?

We do need to secure a different form of communicating on this fact so as not to deter from Jihad Watch.

In the U.S. 5% of the population has ever served in the services to "Protect and Defend"; some of the other 95% do make cotributions through civilian jobs on base(GSA),logistics and all kinda sordid mess but the BOTTOM LINE is that most enjoy LIBERTY so much they leave it to the other guys/gals. This has been TRUE throughout our history and gladly those so few make "E PLURIBUS UNUM".

Make no mistake about what you want if you would want.

Chuck-
Perhaps the fear factor is the natural inclination to react apprehensively in the face of conflict - particularly if one has never faced it before.
So true that so few have done the work of so many. It's one reason I feel the draft should be reinstated - this war isn't going away any time soon.

Sonofwalker-
I asked Susan B to give me your e-mail address so we can discuss these issues off-site. Let's put our heads together on some of the issues we've discussed in the last few days.

I part this thread with more words of inspiration from America's Forefathers:

"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood,and transmitted them to us with care and diligence.
It will bring an ever lasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men."
Samuel Adams

one thing that would be nice to have for this group is a private site. one for posting out of the view of the public…. membership could be by invitation only through susanb’s mailing list?

Chuck H responding to Mike:
Beautiful man that was right on. We should work on putting some of these quotes and addages together for our group and affix them to posts,posters flyers, etc.,our forefathers were wise beyond their times with wisdom and knowledge leading them to establish the Greatest Nation on earth.

How would things have come about for the WORLD if our forefathers intentious were designed with MALICE,and selfishness, if they had the urges of Stalin or Hitler, the zeal of muhamad(KOOS); if anything would be left by now what would it be.
No, what they instilled upon a nation more than 200 years ago was dignity and pride,splendor and valor; HUMANITY

lOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUED JIHAD WATCH FELLOWSHIP WITH EVERY ONE

good work, folks. I've had the day to concider f.g.'s concerns, not thaqt i'm worried that f.g. is right, but that in the mind of f.g. there might be a problem with, not what we're doing, but with doing anything at all. Many people, and I think rightly, wish to remain outside the circle of aggressive behavior, even if it's as simple as leafleting. F.G. has had other things to contribute over the time I've read his/her copy, and I don't want to alienate him/jher or others of the same mind. Some people I really have to tie myself into knots so I don't let go full bore, and i'm glad i restrain myself, because as tempting as it is to spew, I regret it later, and in some cases, I think i might have lsot someone valuable.I want f.g. to rest easy on this regardless of his or her qualms. Nothing is going to do that but our real progress and proof that we exist as sensible people. When the majority see that, the majority will come along as they should.

For now, let's look for leaders. Followers will come later.

"there might be a problem with, not what we're doing, but with doing anything at all."

No, I don't think we, and I use the term "we" as in "citizens of free nations", should stand by and do nothing.

I do think that you, using the term "you" to mean a formal or informal association of Jihad Watch readers, should be careful that you do not place yourself in a position where an irresponsible or illegal act of someone you are associated with through Jihad Watch gets you or Jihad Watch in trouble.

My concern really has nothing to do with the size of my balls or my patriotic zeal fellas.

The Shiek wrote:
one thing that would be nice to have for this group is a private site. one for posting out of the view of the public…. membership could be by invitation only through susanb’s mailing list?"

Here is just such a service: "http://groups.yahoo.com/

f.g.

f.g.:

Sorry, but it's pretty common internet knowledge that the yahoo groups have been infiltrated by an organized muslim agenda and any anti-jihad groups or those criticizing islam period "disappear".

Don't mean to interrupt, but I've been following the conversion. This seems the appropriate time to drop this quote:

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

Winston Churchill

Hi, People,

Will we be having some sort of Vision and Mission Statement? That could help us establish goals and formulate our organizing principles, as well as help us make choices about what sorts of activities to engage in.

Re: The possibility of being jailed--until there are laws passed that could get us canned for telling the truth (e.g., Australia and Britain), we are pretty safe. There are certainly a lot of rules, guidelines, regulations and laws that are patently ridiculous and even unconstitutional but that simply never get taken off the books or challenged. I suppose some nit-picking regulator or CAIR or something could comb through legal archives and try to stop us that way, but hey, many of the things we're talking about wouldn't fall into that category.

Somewhere above, caution about activities such as riots and marches was expressed. Riots, which violate property rights and even lives, are a no-no. Peaceful marches, with the appropriate permits, are a go-go. CGW has quite properly expressed concern over the safety of individuals participating in a march--methinks that if a march were ever in the works, it would be prudent to wear some identity-concealing apparel.

The idea of a secure site where we can post back and forth sounds great. There's just GOTTA be a way to keep it from being sabotaged by the TBJs ("Total Body Jerks") that try to shut down efforts like that.

Re: Mike's suggestion to put comments from our Founders "out there" is excellent; most of our kids don't know squat about them, why they were written, what the writers' concerns were, or the meaning they have today. We can learn a lot from the FFs. And George Washington NEVER CUT DOWN THAT CHERRY TREE!

How about something little, like this: Make those little lapel buttons (you can get the stuff from craft stores) with certain "buzz words" on them, like "taqiyya," "kitman," and "dhimmi" etc. on it with the international nullification symbol over them. These words, in no way inflammatory, elicit questions--"What does THAT mean?"--and I've had a couple of nice converstations as a result. The buttons are easy and cheap to make, too.

Maybe a similar "war of words" could be on some of the flyers, with a resource also printed so that the curious could find out what they mean. No violence there, just education, and even if only one in a hundred looked it up, that's progress.

". . .From my own experience, the best way this is handled is by people volunteering to participate in some function or activity that involves their own particular interests, skills and talents. This makes for a more effective and motivated group. . ."

Posted by: Mike at January 5, 2005 02:39 PM

Absolutely right; that is a known fact. Whenever people are asked to perform outside their comfort zones, they eventually quit. Often, "comfort zones" can be substantially enlarged if novices can act as helpers to people who are enthusiastic and experienced in doing work outside said comfort zone.

CGW wrote:
"Sorry, but it's pretty common internet knowledge that the yahoo groups have been infiltrated by an organized muslim agenda and any anti-jihad groups or those criticizing islam period "disappear"."

Surely you jest!

f.g.

After being away for a few days, I'm just catching up on some of the issues raised concerning our information project.

I'd like to state the following:

First, in no way do we advocate any form of violence. That is NOT what this group is about. It's about getting information out to the public. It's about letting our law makers know, that they are being watched on how they vote on issues of the public safety.

It's about protecting our most valuable resources---OUR CHILDREN.

It's about my rights as a woman to freely express myself in whatever manner I choose to do so.

It's about defending the bloodiest piece of paper ever written, our Constitution. And by that I mean, the blood of the men and women who have died to ensure that we can live in freedom. Don't let that be for nothing.

It's about continueing to be able to live in peace and worship however I choose to.

Would I go to jail for this? YES! Would I like going to jail for this? NO! But sometimes you have to draw a line as to how much you, personally are willing to lose.

Some will say, "It's not that bad yet", and they'd be right. But "Yet" is the operative word here. If you go to CAIR'S homepage, you will find a list of lawsuites and pending actions. Each one is designed to limit our abilities to protect ourselves. If they are successful, it will open the door to the very people who would bring about the "YET".

You cannot be jailed for telling the truth. You cannot be jailed for informing the public of the dangers coming your way.

In the words of Court Justice William Rehnquist:
"At the heart of the First Amendment is the recognition of the fundamental importance of the free flow of ideas and opinions on matters of public interest and concern.... The freedom to speak one's mind,'" he continued, quoting from another Supreme Court decision called Bose v. Consumers Union , "is not only an aspect of individual liberty ? and thus a good unto itself ? but also is essential to the common quest for truth and the vitality of society as a whole.'"

"History reveals that, as often as not, the great First Amendment battles have been fought by our cultural rejects and misfits, by our communist-agitators, our civil rights activists, our Ku Klux Klanners, our Jehovah's Witnesses, our Larry Flynts."

The United States is:
the oldest constitutional democracy in the world. The great resiliency of the American Constitution is its capacity for growth, and that capacity is nourished by our abiding faith in tolerance, even for the intolerant. We have wagered our salvation not on our collective capacity to elevate public discourse by controlling it but on our collective capacity to discover truth through the free, unregulated trade of ideas.

I suggest to those that are concerned about what we are doing, watch our progress, read up on First Amendment rights:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment I, The Bill of Rights

Read the relevent case law:http://www.epic.org/free_speech/

And look around you, think about the everyday things you value, ask yourself, "How important is my life and the lives of my children, family, friends?"

After being away for a few days, I'm just catching up on some of the issues raised concerning our information project.

I'd like to state the following:

First, in no way do we advocate any form of violence. That is NOT what this group is about. It's about getting information out to the public. It's about letting our law makers know, that they are being watched on how they vote on issues of the public safety.

It's about protecting our most valuable resources---OUR CHILDREN.

It's about my rights as a woman to freely express myself in whatever manner I choose to do so.

It's about defending the bloodiest piece of paper ever written, our Constitution. And by that I mean, the blood of the men and women who have died to ensure that we can live in freedom. Don't let that be for nothing.

It's about continueing to be able to live in peace and worship however I choose to.

Would I go to jail for this? YES! Would I like going to jail for this? NO! But sometimes you have to draw a line as to how much you, personally are willing to lose.

Some will say, "It's not that bad yet", and they'd be right. But "Yet" is the operative word here. If you go to CAIR'S homepage, you will find a list of lawsuites and pending actions. Each one is designed to limit our abilities to protect ourselves. If they are successful, it will open the door to the very people who would bring about the "YET".

You cannot be jailed for telling the truth. You cannot be jailed for informing the public of the dangers coming your way.

In the words of Court Justice William Rehnquist:
"At the heart of the First Amendment is the recognition of the fundamental importance of the free flow of ideas and opinions on matters of public interest and concern.... The freedom to speak one's mind,'" he continued, quoting from another Supreme Court decision called Bose v. Consumers Union , "is not only an aspect of individual liberty ? and thus a good unto itself ? but also is essential to the common quest for truth and the vitality of society as a whole.'"

"History reveals that, as often as not, the great First Amendment battles have been fought by our cultural rejects and misfits, by our communist-agitators, our civil rights activists, our Ku Klux Klanners, our Jehovah's Witnesses, our Larry Flynts."

The United States is:
the oldest constitutional democracy in the world. The great resiliency of the American Constitution is its capacity for growth, and that capacity is nourished by our abiding faith in tolerance, even for the intolerant. We have wagered our salvation not on our collective capacity to elevate public discourse by controlling it but on our collective capacity to discover truth through the free, unregulated trade of ideas.

I suggest to those that are concerned about what we are doing, watch our progress, read up on First Amendment rights:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment I, The Bill of Rights

Read the relevent case law:http://www.epic.org/free_speech/

And look around you, think about the everyday things you value, ask yourself, "How important is my life and the lives of my children, family, friends?"