Missiles sold to terrorists?

"Nicaraguans seize missile during sting," from the Washington Times, with thanks to Radwick:

Nicaraguan police, with U.S. assistance in a sting operation, thwarted black marketeers trying to sell SA-7 shoulder-fired missiles capable of downing commercial aircraft earlier this month, raising fears that some missiles already have been sold to terrorists, The Washington Times has learned....

"This is a very, very serious threat," said the U.S. official. "This is what makes me stay up at night. Civilian aviation is at stake."

The official said one Soviet-made SA-7 was confiscated at an air conditioning repair shop, the site of the sting in Managua, Nicaragua, where three Nicaraguans tried to sell the missile and offered more to undercover Nicaraguan police.

"This shows that such missiles can be bought on the open market, and it highlights the need for strong international cooperation to get rid of them," a second official said in a government statement issued to The Times.

The sting has sounded alarm bells through the Bush administration for a number of reasons. The arrested men thought they were selling missiles to terrorists in Colombia and were willing to sell to Islamic terrorists, the official said. Also, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld in November had won what he believed was a firm agreement from Nicaraguan President Enrique Bolanos to destroy about 1,000 remaining SA-7s. Some in the Bush administration now suspect the military is double-crossing Mr. Bolanos.

Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda and other terrorist groups are known to be seeking portable missiles capable of bringing down a commercial airliner. The 20-pound SA-7 has a range up to 15,000 feet. In the wrong hands, a missile could down an airliner on its airport takeoff or approach.

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Holy golly!

These scumbags sure know the western world's weak spots, eh? The public transit system, the food supply system , the water distribution system...damn well near everything is vulnerable coz these things were never designed to counter terror threats.

Its indeed heartening to know that the US govt is taking the threat of these 'small' SAMs as seriously as it is. Get these gasholes to sing and spill their foul guts! I for one would almost be willing to look the other way should the govt consider handing these bastardi over to the gentle interrogation practices of the egyptians or the pakistanis....

January 28, 2005
Russia arrest an amateur weight lifter who was using depleted uranium as dumbbells??

Man in NY stabs his daughter of 7 years old to death @ her parochial school?? His lawyer says he can’t believe he would do such a thing?? Sounds like a mulsum to me??

Reading the book “Shadow War” really really good!! Just shows you it’s a really big world out there and we aint seeing everything??

Man who was rescued by Boy Scouts sues dive company for leaving him out to sea??

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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Victory[FREEDOM] to Defeat ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen

There are also more advanced versions out there of the SA-7 missile ,such as the SA-14, and the SA-18 portable launch missiles that where originally manufactured in the Soviet Union starting around the late 1960s`.

It is believed that Syria and the Hezballah have obtained thousands of SA-18s` as well as the older SA-7s` over the past 4 or 5 years. Even China has been manufacturing SA missiles and allowing them onto the black market all over the world.

The more advanced versions have a heat seeking or infrared device that seeks out heat sources such as jet, or turbine exhaust and the ranges can be as far away as 18,000 feet. The older SA-7 had a speed of around 560 miles per hour compared to the later versions that have missiles that can travel up to 900 miles per hour. It was an SA-18 that was unsuccessfully fired at a Commercial airliner leaving a airport that was carrying Jewish vacationers a couple years ago.

Hmmmm... wasn't there a story in the news a few years back about Nicaraguan rebels and the illegal sale of US made Stinger missiles to Islamic terrorists? I wonder how that all shook out? Oh yeah, I remember now. The outgoing president pardoned everyone before they were even convicted because they were all going to testify against him. The US congress wouldn't DARE embarras a sitting president back then, and--wouldn't you know it--the one guy that actually arranged the sale went to prison, got his conviction overturned on a technicallity, and went on to serve in congress himself.

I just can't remember any of the names...

The official said one Soviet-made SA-7 was confiscated at an air conditioning repair shop, the site of the sting in Managua, Nicaragua

WHY THIS STORY NOW??

Mexico is going to world court to stop the USA from Inforcing our own laws??

State Department issues a travel warning to Mexico??

Russia has a shoot out with mulsums in Mosscow??

Organ pulls out of the JTF on Islamic Terrorism??

Freedland trys to pull a copie cat in orange county??

Man Stabs to death a 7 year old [his daughter] in Chirstian school??

Remember?
What he said??

Friday, 27 September 2002
[Defence Opening Statement]
[Open session]
[The accused entered court]
--- Upon commencing at 9.02 a.m.

THE INTERPRETER: Could the accused please be asked to slow down.
JUDGE MAY: Slow down. Slow down.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] When we were on good terms, Holbrooke said to me that Izetbegovic managed to play the role of a victim and that he, Holbrooke, called that - I remember his words - "ruthless ingeniosity." However, this not ingenious at all. This is just heartless; sacrificing thousands of his own citizens in order to be able • to accuse the Serbs. I have to rush on. I have a map here. I'll give it to you. Camps for Serbs from 1991 to 1996. They existed at different points in time. Some went on for a longer period of time, some shorter. There were 778 of them altogether; 536 in Bosnia-Herzegovina, 221 in Croatia. And • here is a list of every one of these camps. It includes many pages. There are many crimes that were committed. I won't have time. I won't have time to show this. Many crimes were committed in Croatia before the independence of Croatia was proclaimed, before it was recognised. There is a great number of crimes committed in Bosnia before • the proclamation of independence, before recognition. Please, could you

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just place these two images on the overhead projector -- or three, perhaps. These two, rather. Take a look at this. Please put these two on the overhead projector. I'm not going to put any other pictures on the overhead • projector. These are crimes from the 26th of March, 1992, in Sijekovac. The units crossed the Sava River and slaughtered the Serbs. Please put the big picture on the overhead projector. That's it. That's what they did. That's what the Mujahedin did, the ones we saw yesterday. And we saw Izetbegovic reviewing them • yesterday. What's the matter? Is it not on the screens?
JUDGE MAY: It's on the screen. Do you want the next photograph shown?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] But I haven't seen it on the screen. • I only see you on the screen.
JUDGE MAY: It's on our screen. Make sure you've got the right button.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] All right. All right. You don't want to show this. You don't want to show this to the public.
JUDGE MAY: Mr. Milosevic, it is on our screen.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] It's not on the screens that the public sees. Right. I see it on this screen now. But this internal screen only. So he is holding a head, the head of a Serb that he cut off. So those are the 20.000 Mujahedin that were brought to the European • theatre of war through Clinton's policy, and most of them remained there

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and some went to America and to other countries, and they went all around Europe. And then when they start beheading your own people in wars to come, then you will know what this is all about. There are many photographs of major crimes.

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SA-7,s ------ lasers

shiva
good point??


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USA have to worry more in South America and Central America, not only giving money but eliminating corruption and dangerous people like Chavez.

One more not so good point

American-made Stinger surface-to-air missiles remain in small numbers in Afghanistan, left over from when the United States supported rebels fighting the Soviet Union more than a decade ago.

The shoulder-fired, heat-seeking Stinger is capable of bringing down a low-flying plane or a helicopter.

Both Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia and the rebels of the Northern Alliance are believed to have a small supply of the missiles. Experts said it is unlikely they will present a great threat to U.S. aircraft flying over the country.

During the late 1980s, the CIA, through Pakistan, supplied hundreds of missiles and launchers to the Afghan rebels, the mujahedeen. The rebels used the Stingers effectively, bringing down scores of Soviet helicopter gunships.

The introduction of Stingers into the conflict is widely regarded as a turning point in the war, as it gave the rebels a high-tech weapon to oppose the Soviets. The Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989, and the communist government there fell a short time later.

The missiles still in Afghanistan are at least a decade old and have not been properly maintained. U.S. aircraft and helicopters have newer countermeasures and flares to divert the missiles.

Stingers also are more effective in daylight, when a gunner can more easily pinpoint his target before firing. U.S. helicopters carrying special forces will probably operate only at night, said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, a think tank in Alexandria, Virginia.

"You think about American forces - we own the night," he said.

Vincent Cannistraro, a former CIA counterterrorism chief, said the Stingers supplied to Afghanistan also had "friend-or-foe" receivers that only let them be fired at Soviet aircraft. Those can be removed by a clever engineer, he said.

"The Stinger weapons are kind of obsolete weapons at this point," Cannistraro said. "They have a mythological status."

Several Taliban soldiers were seen toting Stingers in a recent military parade in Kabul. The missiles still see action from time to time in Afghanistan's ongoing civil war.

In 1999, a Stinger fired by the Northern Alliance brought down a Taliban Su-22 fighter-bomber. At the time, it was estimated that between 50 and 100 Stingers remained in the country.

Several years ago, the United States launched a buyback program, offering to purchase remaining Stinger missiles for dlrs 80,000. Washington said it feared the missiles could be used by terrorists against civilian aircraft.

The missiles, built by Hughes Missile Systems in Tucson, Arizona, have a range of about two miles (three kilometers) and can hit targets at altitudes around 12,000 feet (3,600 meters).

KJ
Could it be this you where refering to
Iran Contra Cont. 1982-06-00
US Senators were so outraged by covert CIA support for Nicaraguan Contras that in 1982 they passed a bill cutting off all money aimed at 'overthrowing the Government of Nicaragua.' Despite this directive, the CIA continued operating in Nicaragua, mining three of its harbors in 1984. Years later, these actions were the basis for a $17 billion judgment against the US in a case Nicaragua brought before the World Court. The American government did not recognize the decision and never paid the damages. Also in 1984, President Reagan set up a front organization directed by Oliver North to solicit donations for Contras from wealthy American anti-communists. The program expanded to the point where North's office was providing the Contras with weapons paid for by illegal arms sales to Iran, then considered a 'terrorist' state. The US government was forced to admit to the scheme in 1986 when a transport plane carrying military supplies to the Contras was shot down. Survivor Eugene Hasenfus, and two dead pilots all turned out to be CIA employees. North and his secretary quickly shredded documents implicating them and their friends - including Vice President George Bush - but it was too late. Years of hearings and special investigations led to many resignations and a few minor convictions. But the mud did not stick. On Christmas Eve 1992, President Bush pardoned former Defense Secretary Weinberger, former national security adviser Robert McFarlane and four other officials linked to the iran-Contra affair, including Elliot Abrams. Today, Abrams serves as a special advisor to the current President Bush, running the National Security Council's Middle East desk. Bush also tried to redeem John Poindexter, who had also been convicted of lying to Congress about the Iran-Contra affair. In 2002, Bush asked Poindexter to head Total Information Awareness (TIA), a government snooping program that was scaled back after public furor. Even Oliver North landed on his feet, drawing on his Iran-Contra fame to make millions as a high-priced speaker, best-selling author and syndicated columnist. Republicans didn't lose faith in North either, giving him the nod as the Party's candidate for the 1994 Senate race in Virginia, which he lost

Hey Gary, did you read the post above by Shiva? That's what I was refering to. Too bad you can't abide by your own word and leave politics out of it. Anyway, its amazing that in the eighties, a junior senator from Massachusetts was allowed to run the CIA, isn't it? Kind of like the governor of Arkansas sending the Army to Somalia in 1992, I guess.

Perception is stronger than reality for children and childish people.

Yes, Gary... the Sandanistas (whoo boy, now THERE'S a big organization) supported Kerry for President. Excluding Iran and Saudi Arabia the whole world did.

Gary, given your deep-seated hatred of Kerry, I can't help but wonder about your so-called "dual" citizenship in Canada. Did you get that during 'Nam, or did you go volunteer for combat duty and go kill some commies like Kerry did?

*chuckles* a week and you still haven't caught it, kj. I had said (paraphrased) if you stopped bashing the right, I would, too.
Do you get it now?
*wanders off to cook dinner*

Hey Gary here's something for you (kj too)

Since you have a bifurcated and dichotmous mind, you live in a black white world of opposites, my team v your team, me good you bad.

This doggie don't have that problem.

To me the Right wing is nothing but a bunch of self righteous fascists only shades lighter than the Mullahcracy of Iran, and the left wing are a bunch of troglodyte Marxists who never learned that Marxist ideology flunked the test of time.

But of the two, from what I see on the internet, and from you and your companions the right wing is the densest of minds, which would of necessity be a fact since "conservativism" is a fearful, limited and reactionary mind set.

AT least that is what it has become, not what it was in my day, in my day I was proud to be a conservative (which also meant populist, liberty lover, constitutionalist), now it has become synonymous with fascist reactionary.

and I find myself drawn closer to the classic description of liberal

You on the other hand NEED allies in the war against Islamist terrorism, but go out of your way to browbeat them and drive them off.. what a feckless fool you be then.

Lib·er·al - Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
And that's a bad thing?

sorry giaour, you are also on my 'ignore' list. So I can't tell you how wrong you Still are...

or maybe I can. I know there are others who call themselves 'liberal' on this site. I even hold a few liberal views myself.

But notice you are the only two who go into hysterics on a daily basis when you gods are defamed. The others don't see gods- like myself, they see imperfect men and women, on both sides of the issues. I will give you some credit tho: you don't stick words in people's mouths, or attribute racist or bigoted thinking to people here whom you have NO clue about. kj does on a daily basis.
I know he'll quote my words and make all kinds of additions/assumptions. He is wrong of course. kj, btw- I was around 13 when your god kerry was defaming tens of thousands of Vietnam Vets before congress.

OT~ Today’s leftist islamic jihadist support news:

Lying about Iraq
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/markalexander/ma20050128.shtml

On the Iraqi vote
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ollienorth/on20050128.shtml

ATENTION READERS OF JIHADWATCH:


Please support Senator Barbara Boxer's efforts to have ALL of the United States's 7000 commercial jetliners equipped with anti-Stinger missile technology IMMEDIATELY.

Whatever, you may think of Senator Boxer, this is aneminently sensible thing to do. Stinger missiles are virtually everywhere and can down large jetliners very easily and efficiently. We're not going to be able to stop the spread of Stinger missiles---Islamic gurilllas are the most persistent in the world. We can try to stop 200 MILLION Islamic terrorists from getting their hands on Stinger Missiles.

We can also protect our commercial jetliners. The sooner the better gauging from the looks of this article. A million dollars per plane is a small price to pay to keep our airline passengers safe.
I urge you again to pressure the US government to equip our jetliners with anti-Stinger technology.


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