New Jersey: an Islamic murder of Coptic Christians?

Was this family brutally murdered because they provoked Muslims in a chatroom? Were they slain because of the Islamic legal imperative to kill those who are deemed blasphemers? Note also that Sylvia's throat was slit, in line with Qur'an 47:4. "'Islamic Hate' Eyed in Slays," from the New York Post, with thanks to decknxf:

Hossam Armanious, 47, who along with his wife and two daughters was found stabbed to death in his Jersey City home early Friday, would regularly debate religion in a Middle Eastern chat room, one source said.

Armanious, an Egyptian Christian, was well known for expressing his Coptic beliefs and engaging in fiery back-and-forth with Muslims on the Web site paltalk.com.

He "had the reputation for being one of the most outspoken Egyptian Christians," said the source, who had close ties to the family.

The source, who had knowledge of the investigation, refused to specify the anti-Muslim statement. But he said cops told him they were looking into the exchanges as a possible motive.

The married father of two had recently been threatened by Muslim members of the Web site, said a fellow Copt and store clerk who uses the chat room.

"You'd better stop this bull---- or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you," was the threat, said the clerk, who was online at the time and saw the exchange.

But Armanious refused to back down, according to two sources who use the Web site.

Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy would neither confirm nor deny that cops and prosecutors were looking into the religion motive, saying only that "nothing is being ruled out." But a relative of the mayor who answered the phone at Healy's home said there was information the murders were "religion-related."

"There are several theories we are looking into, but we are not commenting on any of them at this time," said Hudson County Assistant Prosecutor Guy Gregory.

Armanious' fervor apparently rubbed off on his daughter, Sylvia — who would have turned 16 yesterday.

"She was very religious and very opinionated," said Jessica Cimino, 15, a fellow sophomore at Dickenson HS.

A family member who viewed photos of the bloodbath said Sylvia seemed to have taken the most savage punishment.

"When we saw the pictures, you could tell that they were hurt really, really bad in the face; especially Sylvia," said Milad Garas, the high-school sophomore's great-uncle.

The heartless killer not only slit Sylvia's throat, but also sliced a huge gash in her chest and stabbed her in the wrist, where she had a tattoo of a Coptic cross.

Also found murdered were the wife, Amal Garas, and the parents' other daughter, Monica.

Fred Ayed, the deacon at St. George and St. Shenouda Church, where the deeply religious family attended services, said he's worried that the murders could have a ripple effect.

"I am concerned for the safety of our community," said Ayed, who knew Hossam for 30 years. "People are scared because one family was slain like cows," said Moheb Ghabour, publisher of a local newspaper for the Coptic community.

Osama Hassan, director of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, described the relationship between Copts and Muslims as cooperative if not friendly.

"I think there might be people that can get into physical fights, but not to the point of murder," Hassan said.

Both the deacon and uncle poured cold water on the theory that the family were the victims of a robbery gone wrong.

"This is not a robbery, Ayed said. "We found all of the jewelry in the house. They didn't take anything."

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RELIGIOUS ASSASINATION IN N.J.;

Who will be next?

Homeland Security where were you?

It is now time to open AMERICA'S slumber cells to the call of the wild.

I am going to see about adding this to the history test.

Miss Catherine, please show us the stuff this is made from.

The peoples who did this are cleary psyhopathic living in a delusional fantasy world enitrely placated by Islamic frenzy and the premise of paradise.

Islam with its intolerance and absence of compassion for non-muslims is a magnet for psychopaths and people with mental health problems. There have been numerous examples of converts to Islam in the west, all it seems triggered by some form of mental strife...

American law must be strictly enforced regardless of who the suspects are or we will become like Europeans, terrified.

eneri;

Agreed the killers should be hunted down and made an example of. Terrorists like these should know that they will be caught and punsished.

eneri,

"American law must be strictly enforced regardless of who the suspects are . . ."

I couldn't disagree more. How many more 'honor' killings must US society tolerate before we publicly acknowledge the intolerance of islam? These murders resulted from a chat room discussion, ferchrissakes. A discussion between an Egyptian Copt and muslims. No longer do our emigrees, particularly muslims, leave their baggage behind, but drag it with them onto our shores, forcing us to deal with their backwardness and barbarity over minor things like verbal criticisms. Enough is enough. The US does not need muslim immigrants. We need to allow in the oppressed by islam, like this family, not the homicidal followers of islam itself. Or are all cultures equal in your eyes?

Can someone explain how you would be able to track someone down on a chat room.

How easy is it to track people down when you engage in a conversation with them in a chat room and .........how easy would it be for some fanatic to track US down who communicate on this site???

Please answer.
Thanks,
Patricia

 

How terrible. I sure hope the killers are tracked down. And if they are Muslims that the trial and prosecution exposes Islam for the murderous cult it has become. The moderate Muslims should be ashamed. In this article they are filthy liars as they deny the reality of the murderous brand of Islam and the murderous words in their (spit) Koran/Hadith.
Islam's face in the West is 90% denial, taquiyya and kitman.

Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism ... to the use of taqiyya and kitman by terrorists during interrogation and the use
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Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism ... to the use of taqiyya and kitman by terrorists during interrogation and the use of systematically misleading expressions concerning Islam and terrorism by ... www.ci-ce-ct.com/Feature%20articles/02-12-2002.asp - 37k - Cached - Similar pages

http://www.iscj.org/history.html

Above, list of directors and trustees of the Islamic Society of Central Jersey.

http://jamalchebli.tripod.com/jamalchebli/id9.html

Tracking someone down in a chat room is like putting the pieces of a 1000 piece puzzle together. It takes time. Here and there over time bits and facts of information exchanged are recorded by the tracker, sorted and used to conduct internet information searches that narrow down location, education, employment, and recreation habits. Friends are interviewed by someone "looking for their puppy." Telephone calls are made by someone "selling vacuum cleaners" Reverse IP, phone, address, and job lookups are made online and through paid services. It is all very methodical and tedious. Therefore one must be as anonymous as possible and protect their factual information while online. Do not type obvious things in other chat rooms such as "the weather here in chicago is terrible today" or "since we're 2 hours behind everyone else" or "we don't get that station here." In other words keep irrelevant logistical facts totally separate from topic discussions online. Use separate usernames for separate issues. If I said something like "if someone came into my house like that they would be met by smith & wesson," then you would know I'm more likely in a gun state. Proactive disinformation such as "here in atlanta" or "since I graduated last year" can actually help cloud an identity. But I would not recommend that for the novice internet user. I guarantee you not only Islamists, but authorities such as the FBI as well, review not only this website and the weblog posts, but many others. In summary, be careful, be concise, and be guarded.

Of course, we will have to wait for more facts to come in before we can know that this attack was in retribution for "blasphemy" against Islam. But whatever the case, most of us know that such acts of retribution are on the way.

The following is a comment I made on a thread yesterday on another topic, but it seems quite relevant for this one:


"Geoff,

"I believe that to deny those things you listed would be covered by this measure. Because to deny that the Jews were behind 9/11, or that "The Protocols" is real, is to imply that many, or most, Muslims are either liars or morons. Now that would be offensive to Islam and, well, just not very nice.

"I suggest that we all practice this excercise: First, reflect on all the problems in the world. Then, think of a way to blame the Jews for each and every one of them. Finally, sit back, relax, and repeat these words: "Islam is a religion of peace, Islam is a religion of peace, Islam is a religion of peace . . ."

"Remember, to offend Islam is unfriendly and frowned upon by our leaders. . .

. . . and it will soon be punishable by death!"


Soon indeed.

First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.

http://www.katinaproductions.com/rehov/previewhl.html

I suspect there are quite a few murders nation-wide that are islamic motivated but not as obvious as this one. Even possibly covered up as well.
They can't handle criticism, especially about mohammed or allah. Its blasphemy. And we all know how mohammed dealt with blasphemers.
I was threatened by a self-proclaimed muslim at work, who heard about what I was telling other employees about islam and mohammed. He told me "you better quit talking about something you don't know about". I told him that actually, I do know about islam. The circumstances the confrontation happened in made me suspect he was setting me up to get me fired, by insinuating I was a hating bigot or something.

But when I confronted him in a private situation about what he said he did'nt have much to say except the veiled threat, at which time I made it clear that I WOULD NOT SHUT UP.
I left that job,not because of that, but because the job sucked in general and I had been looking elsewhere long before that incident.

Would you care to comment on the "target" issue Robert? Are you and other western critics of Islam (Daniel Pipes, Bernard Lewis, Bat Yeor) concerned for your safety? I would think that incidents such as the one described above or the murder of Theo van Gogh would give you pause. And I think that you and your fellow travelers are brave men and women for advancing the battle against the Islamist agenda.

This absolutely cannot go unanswered. Every piece of information on this site and others have been accurate all along.

This is not a law enforcement issue. Bush and friends should forget about their wasteful, overpriced upcoming party and address this. Why is the government who is assigned to defend its citizens so lax about these bastards?

I can't wait for the CAIR puke wagon to answer for this. This column should be on every news organization and website possible. This is not Allah's land. It's time these bottom feeders learn this. If violence is necessary, then so be it. No tolerance for the intolerant, do you understand Mr. Awad? Mr. Hooper, how about you?

Bearded racists rodents. This is on American soil, and since it is, Muslims should be profiled, without execption. If they wish to die for their phony higher spirit, then leave them in the streets.

Posted by: Chuck at January 16, 2005 07:57 AM

THEY KNOW THE COPS CAN NOT BE EVERY WHER THIS IS WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO BE ARMED AND NEVER LET YOUR GAURD DOWN!!

BUY MORE AMMO!!

REMEMBER A GUN IN HAND IS BETTER THAN 2 COPS ON THE PHONE!!!

January 16, 2005
Family killed in N.J. were Egyptian Christians who were out spoken against Islamic Terrorist The Father was talking against then on a chat line and was threatened by mulsums?? And told they would track them down and kill them like chickens?? The whole family had been bound and gagged and their throats were cut?? Father, Mother 16 yr old child and a 8yr old child both girls?? We have now a Van Gogh here in the USA hope the Press stays on this!!
God we morn the lose of A brave Man and his Family we will miss them May their deaths not be wasted and help expose the Enemy with in our gates Amen
What do you think CAIR has to say about this??
Morocco says to Spain they can not stop the flow of Islamic Terrorist and need the help of the EU well maybe they need some sharks with laser beams attached to their heads??
Shoot out in Kashmir Islamic terrorist dead!!

Torture:= Infliction of severe physical pain & punishment or coercion.

I saw none of this the Iraqis are still alive and have their hands and heads when will the libs get on board against this Evil?? The Monsters who want to kill their children??
When will the Libs in this country cry for the torture of the Iraqi People by the Islamic Terrorist MONSTERS?? Or the Torture of Nick berg and all the others by the Islamic Terrorist who do not fight by Geneva Convention?? Where is the ACLU on this??


THE PRESS MUST STAY ON THIS STORY!!

THIS IS NOT THE FEW IT IS WHAT THEY ARE TEACHING ALL OVER THE wORLD??

PEACE, ISLAM STYLE:
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.’”

Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.”

Tabari VIII:17 “The Muslims and polytheists stayed in their positions for twenty nights with no fighting except for the shooting of arrows and the siege. When the trial became great for the people, the Messenger sent for the leaders of the Ghatafan [Meccan comrades]. He offered them a third of the date harvest of Medina on condition that they leave. The truce between the sides progressed to the point of drawing up a written document, but there was no witnessing or firm determination to make peace; it was only a matter of maneuvering.”

THEY FOUGHT WITH POLYTHEISTS DO YOU HEAR THIS MR. FBI???

Qur’an 4:91 “You will find others who, while wishing to live in peace and being safe from you to gain the confidence of their people; thrown back to mischief headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and offer you peace besides restraining their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear sanction and authority.” [So if you wish to live in peace, but are perceived as being mischievous (i.e., non-Muslim), Allah has given his Jihad warriors “a clear sanction and authority to seize and kill” you.]

Tabari VII:7 “The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.”

Mahammad forced himself on her. This is how it happened:

Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”

Muhammad raped a baby. I guess you are so proud of worshiping a pig like that, huh Arxos? lets not forgt, muhammad used the moon to measure seasons, so she was not nine yet, only 8 years old.
Posted by Nathan at June 15, 2004 12:24 PM

AND NOW THEY CUT THE THROAT OF A CHILD OF 8 IN THE USA THESE ARE MONSTERS!!!AND THEY ARE IN YOUR BACKYARD!!!

Tabari IX:13 “Muhammad turned to see Umm, a pregnant woman, who said, ‘O Messenger! Kill those [Muslims] who flee from you as you kill those who fight you, for they deserve death. Here is my dagger. If any come near me I will rip them up and slit open their belly with it.’”

NICE PEOPLE HUH??

Qur’an 9:120 “It is not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs to refuse to follow Allah’s Messenger (Muhammad when fighting in Allah’s Cause), nor to prefer their own lives to his life. They suffer neither thirst nor fatigue in Allah’s Cause, no do they go without reward. They do not take steps to raise the anger of disbelievers, nor inflict any injury upon an enemy without it being written to their credit as a deed of righteousness.”

TO LATE CALLED 9/11/2001!!

Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. Some of the Bedouins look upon their payments (for Allah’s Cause) as a fine and wish disasters to fall on you (so that they might not have to pay). Yet on them be the disaster of evil.”

WE HAVE REMOVED A PART OF THIS EVIL CALLED saddam[found in a hole don't shoot i'm a yellow coward]NOW WHAT WILL THE IRAQI PEOPLE DO THAT THE EVIL IS GONE PUT ANOTHER EVIL IN POWER IF THIS IS THE CASE FIRE WILL RAIN DOWN ON THEM AN ALL OF THEIR KIND??

Ishaq:246 “The surah of the Hypocrites came down because some men sent secret messages to the Nadir Jews when the Apostle besieged them. So Allah sent down, “Have you not considered the Hypocrites who say to their brethren, the People of the Book [Jews], ‘We shall never obey anyone against you. If you are attacked and driven out we will help you. Allah bears witness that they are liars.’”

REMEMBER THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK ARE CHRISTIANS TOO!!

REMEMBER mo-ham-od SAID HE WAS ISMAILS DECENDENT LOOK UP WHAT THE GOOD BOOK SAYS ABOUT HIM??

Qur’an 8:20 “O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger. Do not turn away from him when you hear him speak. Do not be like those who say, ‘We hear,’ but do not listen. Those who do not obey are the worst of beasts, the vilest of animals in the sight of Allah. They are deaf and dumb. Those who do not understand are senseless. If Allah had seen any good in them, He would have made them listen. And even if He had made them listen, they would but have turned away and declined submission.”

SO IF YOU AINT A MUSSI YOU ARE A BEAST TO THEM...

Ishaq:372 ““When he went out, Abd Allah bin Ubayy [the man who had advised against leaving town] came back with 300 men, saying, ‘We do not know why we should get ourselves killed here.’ So he went back to Medina with the Hypocrites and doubters who followed him. Abd Allah bin Amr said, ‘Allah curse you, enemies of Allah.

SO YOU SEE THEY TEACH IF YOU DON'T FIGHT WITH THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST YOU ARE CURSED....

Mutilation of victims and Muslim law
By Jeff Jacoby | June 13, 2004
"A RECENT FATWA posted on a popular Islamic website in Saudi Arabia," reports Neil McFarquhar in The New York Times, "explains when a Muslim may mutilate the corpse of an infidel."
The ruling by Sheik Omar Abdullah Hassan al-Shehabi specifies two circumstances in which the desecration of an infidel -- a non-Muslim -- is permitted. One is retaliation "when the enemy is disfiguring Muslim corpses or when it otherwise serves the Islamic nation." The other is when mutilation will "terrorize the enemy" or "gladden the heart of a Muslim warrior."
Given those conditions, it is hard to imagine a situation in which an Islamist militant couldn't justify the mutilation of a victim's body.
"That a cleric can post such an argument in an open forum," commented McFarquhar, "goes a long way toward explaining how the most radical interpretations of religious texts flourish in Saudi Arabia."
But they don't flourish only in Saudi Arabia.
The popular "Ask the Scholar" feature of Islam Online (www.islamonline.net) was recently asked "how Islam views the issue of mutilating dead bodies of enemies." In a reply, Sheik Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, began by declaring that mutilation is "not allowable" under Islam. But then came the loophole:
"It is possible to mutilate the dead only in case of retaliation. . . . If he inflicts any physical damage on anyone, he should be retaliated against in the same manner. In case of war, Muslims are allowed to take vengeance for their mutilated dead mujahids (fighters) in the same way it was done to them." This, the European sheik explained, is the teaching of the Koran (16:126), which counsels patience but authorizes revenge.
Does this mean that normative Islamic law authorizes Muslims to mangle the bodies of non-Muslims they have killed? I am not a scholar of Islam and would not presume to say. But two facts seem indisputable: (1) A Muslim intent on such mutilation can find clerical authority to justify it. And (2) a small but implacable minority of Muslims are intent on such mutilation. Indeed, it has become a signature of the evil we are fighting, as the news of the last few months has shown.
(Warning -- the following descriptions are graphic.)
Fallujah: Four Americans are ambushed, dragged from their vehicles, jumped on, and pounded with bricks. As jubilant Iraqis chant Islamic slogans, the bodies are dismembered and set on fire. Two of the charred remains are then hung from a bridge; the other two are dragged behind cars along the city's main street.
Khobar, Saudi Arabia: A British oil executive, Michael Hamilton, is one of 22 people murdered in an Al Qaeda attack. His corpse is dragged through the city, then dumped near a bridge.
Gaza: After six Israelis are blown up in a bomb attack, Palestinians are filmed dancing in the streets and playing with the dead men's body parts. In a video, two Islamic Jihad terrorists take credit for the massacre -- and display the severed head of one of their victims.
Iraq: Islamofascists videotape their murder of Nicholas Berg, a 26-year-old US civilian. Shouting "Allahu akhbar!" ("God is great!"), they saw off Berg's head as he shrieks in pain and fear.
The disfiguring of victims' bodies did not begin this year. In a notorious lynching four years ago, two Israeli reservists were taken from their car to the second floor of a Palestinian police station in the West Bank town of Ramallah, where they were literally torn limb from limb. Their internal organs were pulled from their bodies, their eyes were gouged out, and what was left of them was thrown from a window to a cheering crowd below, which set the corpses on fire and dragged them through the town.
Perhaps even more infamous -- at least to Americans -- were the beheading of journalist Daniel Pearl in Pakistan in 2002 and the mutilation of the bodies of US soldiers in Somalia in 1993.
We are in a war to the death with an enemy whose deepest civilizational values come straight out of the 8th century. In the world that they would impose on us all, there is no dissent, no pluralism, no path to God but theirs -- and no mercy or tolerance for those who might choose a different path.
Our enemies make no secret of their intentions: We will bow to their totalitarian idea of Islam, or we will be killed. And not only killed, but mangled, mutilated, and subjected to the most hideous indignities they can devise.
The terrorists and their followers burn and batter corpses for the same reason the Taliban smashed magnificent statues -- for the same reason Hitler wrote "Mein Kampf": to openly proclaim their contempt for the moral principles of the civilized world.
Ultimately it is up to the world's moderate, modern Muslims to rise up against the barbarians in their midst. Until that day comes, there is nothing the West can do to ameliorate or appease this enemy. We can only destroy it -- or be destroyed

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR EVIL GIVE THE WORLD STRENGTH TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THEM AMEN

If they can trace pedophiles through chatrooms they will get this bastards that so frivolously slaughter innocents.


"American law must be strictly enforced regardless of who the suspects are . . ."

We can't continue to play by the rules beacuse they are not. Not in war not in peace .

It's time we sent a chill through their community...

or we will become like Europeans, terrified.

Posted by: eneri at January 16, 2005 09:12 AM


WILL YOU NOW??

Though I walk throught the shodow of death I will fear no Evil for I know Tho art with me Amen

There is nothing to Fear but Fear itself??

No eneri NO FEAR BY WHAT YOU NEED TO PROTCET YOUR AND YOURS!! THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US IN THE USA AND IN EUROPE WE CAN BUY GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELFS!!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALLISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR EVIL GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THEM AMEN


PS
What they teach theirs??

MURDER:

Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’”

Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive.”
Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”
Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”

Bukhari:V4B52N270 “Allah’s Messenger said, ‘Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.’ Maslama got up saying, ‘Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet proclaimed, ‘Yes.’ Maslama said, ‘Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.’ Muhammad said, ‘You may do so.’”

Ishaq:368 “Ka’b’s body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad’s order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet.”

Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:368 “We carried Ka’b’s head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah’s enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.’”

Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”

Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”

Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”

Ishaq: 676 “‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’”

Bukhari:V1B11N626 “The Prophet said, ‘No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.’”

Tabari VIII:178/Ishaq:550 “Muhammad ordered that certain men should be assassinated even if they were found behind the curtains of the Ka’aba. Among them was Abdallah bin Sa’d [the Qur’an’s one and only scribe]. The reason that Allah’s Messenger ordered that he should be slain was because he had become a Muslim and used to write down Qur’an Revelation. Then he apostatized [rejected Islam].”

Tabari VIII:179 “Abdallah bin Sa’d fled to Uthman, his brother, who after hiding him, finally surrendered him to the Prophet. Uthman asked for clemency. Muhammad did not respond, remaining silent for a long time. Muhammad explained, ‘By Allah, I kept silent so that one of you might go up to him and cut off his head!’ One of the Ansar said, ‘Why didn’t you give me a sign?’ Allah’s Apostle replied, ‘A prophet does not kill by pointing.’”

Tabari VIII:179/Ishaq:550 “Among those who Muhammad ordered killed was Abdallah bin Khatal. The Messenger ordered him to be slain because while he was a Muslim, Muhammad had sent him to collect the zakat tax with an Ansar and a slave of his.... His girls used to sing a satire about Muhammad so the Prophet ordered that they should be killed along with Abdullah. He was killed by Sa’id and Abu Barzah. The two shared in his blood. One of the singing girls was killed quickly but the other fled. So Umar caused his horse to trample the one who fled, killing her.”

Ishaq:551 “Another victim was Huwayrith. He used to insult Muhammad in Mecca. Huwayrith was put to death by Ali. The Messenger ordered Miqyas’ assassination only because he had killed an Ansar who had killed his brother by mistake and then became a renegade by rejecting Islam.”

Tabari VIII:180 “Also among those eliminated were Ikrimah bin Abu Jahl and Sarah, a slave of one of Abd Muttalib’s sons. She taunted Muhammad while he was in Mecca.”

Tabari VIII:181 “The Messenger ordered six men and four women to be assassinated. One of these women was Hind, who swore allegiance and became a Muslim.”

Bukhari:V4B52N281 “They took Khubaib to Mecca after the battle of Badr. He had killed Harith, a Meccan nobleman. The Quraysh gathered to kill him in retribution.… Khubaib wanted to offer two Rakat (prayers). They allowed this and he said, ‘O Allah, kill them all with no exception.’ He then recited the poetic verse: ‘I’m being martyred as a Muslim. I do not mind how I am killed in Allah’s Cause. For my killing is for Allah’s Sake. If Allah wishes, He will bless the amputated parts of my torn body.’ Then the son of Harith [the man Khubaib had murdered] killed him.”

Ishaq:597 “When the Apostle returned to Medina after his raid on Ta’if, word spread that he had killed some of the men who had satirized and insulted him. The poets who were left spread in all directions.”

Tabari IX:76 “Malik has reported to me that you were the first from Himyar to embrace Islam and that you have killed infidels, so rejoice at your good fortune.”

Tabari IX:121 “When it was feasible for me, I struck him with my sword and killed him. Then I departed, leaving his women to throw themselves at him. When I returned to the Prophet, he asked, ‘Is your mission accomplished?’ ‘Yes. I have killed him.’”

Ishaq:308/Tabari VII:65 “When the Apostle was in Safra, Nadr was assassinated. When Muhammad reached Irq al-Zabyah he killed Uqbah. When the Prophet ordered him to be killed, Uqbah said, ‘Who will look after my children, Muhammad?’ “Hellfire,’ the Apostle replied, and he was killed.”

Tabari VII:85 “Muhammad killed many Quraysh polytheists at Badr.”

Tabari VII:99 “In this year, the killing of Abu Rafi the Jew took place. The Messenger sent some Ansar under the command of Abd Allah and Abd Allah against the Jew. Abu Rafi used to injure and wrong the Prophet.... Abd Allah said to the others, ‘Stay where you are, and I will go and ingratiate myself with the doorkeeper to gain entrance.’”

Tabari VII:100 “Every time I opened a door, I shut it behind me from the inside, saying to myself, ‘If they become aware, they will not have time to stop me from killing him.’ When I reached Rafi, he was in a dark room with his family. As I did not know where he was in the room, I said, ‘O Abu Rafi.’ When he replied, I proceeded toward the voice and gave him a blow with my sword. He shouted and I came back, pretending to be a helper. I said, ‘O Abu,’ changing the tone of my voice. He asked me, ‘I don’t know who came to strike me with his sword.’ Then I drove my sword into his belly and pushed it forcibly till it touched the bone. I hit him again and covered him with wounds, but I could not kill him, so I thrust the point of my sword into his stomach until it came out through his back. At that, I knew that I had killed him [in front of his wife and children]. I came out, filled with puzzlement, and went towards a ladder in order to get down but I fell into a moonlit night and sprained my foot. I bound it with my turban and moved on. I came to my companions and said, ‘By Allah, I will not leave till I hear the wailing of their women.’ So, I did not move till I heard them crying for the Jewish merchant. I said, ‘Deliverance! Allah has killed Abu Rafi.’ I got up, feeling no ailment, and proceeded till we came upon the Prophet and informed him.”

Tabari VII:101 “The Khazraj asked the Prophet for permission to kill Sallam Huqayq, who was in Khaybar. He granted this.” Ishaq:482 “One of the favors which Allah conferred upon his Prophet was that these two tribes of the Ansar, the Aws and the Khazraj, used to vie with one another like stallions to carry out the will of Muhammad. The Aws did not do anything which benefited him without the Khazraj saying, ‘By Allah they will not gain superiority over us in Islam in the eyes of the Messenger by doing this.’ And they would not cease until they had done something similar. Thus when the Aws killed Ka’b Ashraf on account of his hostility to Muhammad, the Khazraj conferred to find a man comparable to Ka’b in hostility and called to mind Sallam Huqayq in Khaybar. They asked the Prophet for permission to kill him, and it was granted.”

Tabari VII:101/Ishaq:483 “Sallam’s wife came out and we told her that we were Arabs in search of supplies. When we entered, we bolted the door on her so she gave a shout to warn him of our presence. We rushed upon him with our swords as he lay in his bed. He took his pillow and tried to fend us off. Abd Allah thrust his sword into his stomach and transfixed him while he was shouting, ‘Enough! Enough!’ At once we went out but Abd Allah had bad eyesight, and he fell off the stairway, bruising his leg or arm. ‘How shall we know that the enemy of Allah is dead?’ one of us asked. ‘I will go and look,’ one replied. He set off and mingled with the people. He said, ‘I found him with the men of the Jews, and with his wife, who had a lamp in her hand, peering into his face. She said, ‘By the God of the Jews, he is dead.’ I never heard any more pleasing words than these. We went to the Messenger of Allah and told him that we had killed the enemy of Allah. We disagreed in his presence about the killing of Sallam, each of us claiming to have done it. The Prophet said, ‘Bring me your swords.’ We did and he looked at them. He said, ‘This sword of Abd Allah killed him. I can see the marks left by bones on it.’”

Ishaq:483 “Allah, what a fine band you have, one willing to kill Sallam and Ashraf! We went with sharp swords, like fighting lions. We came upon their homes and made them drink death with our swift-slaying swords. Looking for the victory of our Prophet’s religion, we ignored every risk.”

Tabari VII:112/Ishaq:372 “When a blind Jew became aware of the presence of the Messenger and the Muslims he rose and threw dust in their faces, saying, ‘Even if you are a prophet, I will not allow you into my garden!’ I was told that he took a handful of dirt and said, ‘If only I knew that I would not hit anyone else, Muhammad, I would throw it in your face.’ Sa’d rushed in and hit him on the head with his bow and split the Jew’s head open.”

Ishaq:403 “Allah killed twenty-two polytheists at Uhud.”

Tabari VII:147 “Amr was sent by Muhammad to kill Abu Sufyan [the Quraysh leader and merchant]. The Prophet said, ‘Go to Abu Sufyan and kill him.’ …When I entered Mecca I had a dagger ready to slay anybody who laid hold of me. My Ansar companion asked, ‘Should we start by circumambulating the Ka’aba seven times and praying two rak’ahs?’ I said, ‘I know the Meccans better than you do.’ But he kept pestering me until in the end we went to the Ka’aba, circumambulated it seven times, and prayed.”

Tabari VII:148 “One of the Meccans recognized me and shouted, ‘That is Amr!’ They rushed after us, saying, ‘By Allah, Amr has not come here for any good purpose! He has come for some evil reason.’ Amr had been a cutthroat and a desperado before accepting Islam.”

Tabari VII:148 “Amr said, ‘Let’s wait here until the cry has died down. They are sure to hunt for us tonight and tomorrow. I was still in the cave when Uthman bin Malik came riding proudly on his horse. He reached the entrance to our cave and I said to my Ansar companion, ‘If he sees us, he will tell everyone in Mecca.’ So I went out and stabbed him with my dagger. He gave a shout and the Meccans came to him while I went back to my hiding place. Finding him at the point of death, they said, ‘By Allah we knew that Amr came for no good purpose.’ The death of their companion impeded their search for us, for they carried him away.”

Tabari VII:149 “I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, ‘Who’s there?’ I said [lied], ‘I’m a Banu Bakr.’ ‘So am I.’ Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: ‘I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.’ I said, ‘You will soon see!’ Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad.”

Tabari VII:150 “I had tied my prisoner’s thumbs together with my bowstring. The Messenger of Allah looked at him and laughed so that his back teeth could be seen. Then he questioned me and I told him what had happened. ‘Well done!’ he said, and prayed for me to be blessed.”

Ishaq:434 “Amr and an Ansari waited until they were asleep. Then Amr killed them, thinking that he had taken vengeance for the Muslims who had been slain. When he came to the Messenger, he told him what had happened. The Prophet said, ‘You have killed men for whom I shall have to pay blood-money.’”

Tabari VIII:22 “Hassan was with the women and children. A Jew passed by and began to walk around his settlement. There was no one to protect them while the Apostle and his Companions were at the Meccans’ throats. So I said: ‘Hassan, this Jew is walking around. I fear he will point out our weakness while the Muslims are too busy to attend to us. So go down to him and kill him.”

Tabari VIII:22/Ishaq:458 “‘Allah forgive you, daughter of Abd al-Muttalib,’ Hassan said. ‘You know that I am not the man to do it.’ When he said that to me I saw that nothing could be expected from him. I girded myself, took a club, and, having gone down from the fortress to the man, I struck him with the club until I killed him. When I had finished with him, I returned to the fortress and said, ‘Hassan, go down to him and strip him—only his being a man kept me from taking his clothes.’ Hassan replied, ‘I have no need for his spoils.’”

Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.”
Tabari VIII:40 “The Messenger commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence.”

Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.”

Tabari VIII:90 “Abu Basir went out with his companions. When they stopped to rest he asked one of them, ‘Is this sword of yours sharp?’ ‘Yes,’ he replied. ‘May I look at it?’ Basir asked. ‘If you wish.’ Basir unsheathed the sword, attacked the man, and killed him. The other Muslim ran back to the Messenger, saying, ‘Your Companion has killed my friend.’ While the man was still there, Abu Basir appeared girded with the sword. He halted before Muhammad and said, ‘Messenger, your obligation has been discharged.’”

TORTURE:

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

THEY TINK ANY WHO IS NON-MULSUM WAGES WAR AGAINST THEM ANYONE WHO TELLS THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT THEY BELIEV TO STOP THEM WAGES WAR....

Everyone, there's something wrong here. I checked ABC, FOX, WND, and Drudge, and nothing is posted about this story. JW and LGF have this posted, but I can't find it anywhere else. I know the New York Post is pretty big, but is that enough? I'm going to forward this to the Augusta Free Press, they're on our side. Hopefully they'll add this to their reporting.

Are they going to sweep it under the flying carpet? This should be all over every news source, yet it is not.

Can someone explain how you would be able to track someone down on a chat room.

How easy is it to track people down when you engage in a conversation with them in a chat room and .........how easy would it be for some fanatic to track US down who communicate on this site???

Please answer.
Thanks,
Patricia

Posted by: Patricia at January 16, 2005 09:39 AM

Shipping container had Illegals coming from China? Caught in LA? Remenber that James Ugama went to China and worked for MS??

Also some of these web sights call for your Id before you can sign up with your Email and if this is the case if they have people[mulsums] who work for ALO MS or other companys how hard is it??

REMEMBER A GUN IN HAND IS BETTER THAN 2 COPS ON THE PHONE?!!!

freestar
says they have a mental problem? no this is what they do??
There is EVIL in the world even the Pope said this week!
There is nothing wrong with the Islamic Terrorist MONSTERS they are EVIL and Follow EVIL!! freestar you say this because you deflect your blame in suppot through your slience because you are a mulsum?? But you see People Know??

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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR EVIL GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THEM AMEN

Posted by: DCWatson at January 16, 2005 12:34 PM

Fox is playing it on the Hour on TV!!
Plus they had a Politian from Holland Last night and how he has had Death Treats and how they are Trying to do something[Deport] their problem of Mulsums seams the people over there are waking up and don't to know what to do??

They should give and teach how to use guns to all non-mulsums in their country they think it is a problem becuase the mulsums won't assamulate??


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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Evil give the World Strength to Stand Up and Fight them Amen

The guy at the too-good reports site states that the DC sniper was a "black supremicist", which is obviously in error since there were numerous black people killed.
I'd say he was an islam supremicist, who was attacking the great satan.

How long are we going to let this go on ?
They use the ACLU against us, and cry racism
How long?

Thanks for the ammo miss catherine.

AmendmentII
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


From George Washington's farewell address:
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indespensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these grear pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of duties of men and citizens.... Let it simply be asked, where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education..... reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle".

Condolences to their family,
and my wish these deaths help
awaken the slumbering giant of our nation.

Tears fall for these martyrs and each one becomes burning molten lead that turns into bullets for guns to be aimed at mohammedan’s heads for this is war and those who deny it are asleep, or cowards, or in denial.

If the leaders and defenders of this country won’t protect us, we will protect ourselves,
we will not become victims of jihad. There are too many of us who are determined to be Free to say what we think, to say what we see. So when the jihadis who assassinated these Xians are caught, we don’t want another kangaroo trial, or p c crap or the multi-cultural rap. Our patience is being tested and if there are not changes soon, people will become frustrated and angry and the mohammedan’s blood will flow, their homes and schools will be burned and they will rue the day their moon god drew a line in the sand between them and all others.

I hope the murderers are tried and executed for committing such a hideous crime against a peaceful Christian family.

Expect this murder to disappear from the news reports once it is clear that it was inspired by the same lovely religion that brought us 9/11. Fox News will cover it, the NY Post will cover it, but otherwise it will drop off the radar screen, and most Americans will never know about it. The media in this country are so instinctively hostile to America that they will side with the Islamofascists and keep this hushed up. Needless to say, this would mean the mainstream media have crossed the border from supposedly well-meaning kookiness into pure, unadulterated evil. But I'll be surprised if it turns out I'm wrong and this ends up where it belongs, on the front page of every paper.

My prayers are for anyone who has bravely battled Muslim extremism and died. I am not worthy

P.S. Nice to see you back Carolyn havent't you for a while!

More lies about what's really in the Koran:

FROM THE BERGEN RECORD

Islamic leaders said Saturday that the murders could not have been the work of someone inspired by the Quran.

"We are not a bloody people," said Ahmed Shedeed, director of the Islamic Center of Jersey City. "This is not from the Quran. This is not from Islam at all."

Shedeed, who is Egyptian, said his group recently co-founded a social service organization with local Coptic churches, called Egyptian Family.

Asked about passages in the Quran that may suggest murdering non-believers in a manner that resembles the family's deaths, he replied, "The Quran talks about people fighting in the battle of war. It's not talking about people who live next to you. ... This has nothing to do with our community at all."

"The Quran stands very firmly against taking human life," said noted Islamic author Zayn Kassam, chairwoman of the religious studies department of Pomona College in California. "If someone read a verse and used it to justify the killing of four people, I believe that person is unbalanced. ... There are very few Muslims who would support this sort of thing."


What happened to this good family only confirms the importance of our work. Show this to your friends or family who believe you are "wasting" your time. As for those who tell you that you are putting yourself in danger, remind them:

First they came for the Jews and I said nothing. Next they came for the communists and I said nothing. Next they came for the homosexuals and I said nothing. Now they are coming for me and there is no one left to speak out...

Never forget that both our strength and our safety is in numbers.

God bless the U.S.A.

" Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

--Margaret Mead

This is so horrible - the slaughter of this peaceful family whose only so called 'crime' was to debate religion in chatrooms! And it is possible to debate religion except ISLAM - THE DEATH CULT. These Beheaders,Fanatics and psychopathic 'Holy Warriors' silence any dissent by Terrorizing and Killing as we know.There is a Copt Community here, all of whom have fled persecution [and Death] in the Middle East but how long before population of Islam crazies hunts them down and kills them here?? Or indeed, any of us, like yourselves I have debated Islam in various Chatrooms. Which potentially makes us ALL TARGETS for the 'Religion of Pieces.' One thing for sure , we will all keep speaking out against this evil 'Religion' because if we don't these Bastards will keep killing us with impunity.

What do you guys think???

Posted by: freestar at January 16, 2005 01:59 PM

I HAVE READ WINNS TRANSCRIPT AND HAVE READ A CONTEMPORARY TRANSLATIN[of the qu-ran] BY AHMED ALI

AND IT ALL FITS!!!
AND VERY EASY READING TOO!!

So freestar THAT DOG DON'T HUNT!!!

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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR EVIL GIVE THE WORLD THE COURAGE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THEM AMEN

PS
Like I said mussi???

Elephant

Thanks for your feedback, it seems I need to purchase a copy of the Qu'ran and look for myself.

...

Back to the thread:

"I can say whatever I want," the friend said Armanious responded. "I live in America."

How sad. So we have America's van gogh? Someone has critised Islam and has been slain, along with his daughter? I remember when Van Gogh was killed the mainstream media didnt mention it until it became big news on the web first.

Can someone explain how you would be able to track someone down on a chat room.

How easy is it to track people down when you engage in a conversation with them in a chat room and .........how easy would it be for some fanatic to track US down who communicate on this site???

Please answer.
Thanks,
Patricia


I would guess that these rat shits had some assistance from the site itself. It's difficult to track someone down just by a screen name. Or, someone in the Chat Room knew them. There should be retribution for this, I feel. Someone should pay dearly for this. We can't let something like this slide, not one inch.

I suspect the victim did not hide his identity. And the article also said they lived in a New Jersey community of Egyptians,k side by side with Muslims. The killer must have been someone from that community who knew the victim or knew his family.

Fox News has had a couple of headlines in the past hour, both wrong. One headline, without a story, suggested that there was a connection with the "Muslim" family killed and some 9/11 terrorists who lived with them or near them. The next story again said that the family was Muslim and that the possible motivation was "hate mail" that the family including, the teenage daughter, was sending to an Islamic website. Of course, I can understand some of the misinformation. Media people just don't get it that the Middle East is not 100% Muslim. And, wouldn't it be easy for CAIR to claim the family as Muslims who deserved what they got, however regrettable the extreme measures taken in response to the family "hate mail." A nice cover up...and, in the meantime, we are all more vulnerable. Mr. Spencer, stay safe and God bless..maryrose

If you are going to dance with Beelzebub ( Islam ) then one must take precautions.
Using a program to hide your IP is a must. There are many available.

If you must e-mail these Moron Moslems, I suggest that you setup a fake email with yahoo but you must also use a program that will hide your IP address, also make sure that you haven’t any addware or spyware programs on your computer that seek personal information and send it out.

Exercising your right to bear arms is also a good idea.
I suggest that a good amount of time be spent at the shooting range.
Gun control is being able to hit your target.

Hide your IP when going to Moslem web sites.
Or even when going the lefty web sites also.

Posted by: maryrose at January 16, 2005 03:14 PM

The Frist story on Fox got it right about 930 said it was a Christian Family who was threatend by mulsums and killed had their throats cut and it was because he the Father who was from Egypt and a Christian was out spoken on a chat line and was hunted down and they killed the intire Family including his daughters one of 16 whos brithday was yesterday and his other daughter of 8 yrs old...

they [Fox News] did not hold anthing back when they frist reported the story seams they are worried about their own necks??

Make you wonder all about them mulsums in the FBI??


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Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO VICTORY TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN


PS
Morgane You get a Gold Star for the Day!!

For me Mr. Ruger never leaves my side!!

If its anything like here in the UK it is barely mentioned if Muslims are the aggressors, but if its the other way round its BIG news.

Like when that 15 year old kid in Scotland got burned alive by Muslim youths; barely a blip on national news.

Then when an already dead Muslim woman has bacon put on her, omg national news. She died of natural causes and someone in the morgue put bacon on her.

Well, it seem there are two sets of standards the media hold people to account?

Bar:

If one has a router is the IP static or dynamic? Also, can you recommend a good software program to hide the IP?

Thanks ...

I keep watching Fox. At the Sunday, 4:00 p.m. news with the anchor, Paige Hopkins, she switched to Rebecca Gomez in New York who then reported the story straight. She correctly described the family as Coptic Christians and quoted the threat that they had received from someone on the chatroom...."we will track you down like chickens and kill you." Ms. Gomez then tied the location of the murders, Jersey City, NJ, to that being the former home of radical blind cleric, Rahman. I assume her implication was that his followers might still live in that area. Good that Fox is on this horrible story....hopefully, the police and FBI won't be misled and keep on the trail..this incident has so many implications. This poor family thought that they had left Egypt, where this kind of thing happens all of the time to Coptic Christians. It really is the USA Theo Van Gogh story, with young children involved too. maryrose

Kemaste:

Your IP address comes from your internet service provider and maybe static or dynamic.
Your router also has its own IP and that is static.
I think with a dial-up service you get a different IP every time (dynamic).
With a DSL or Cable your IP address is always the same (static).

I have been using a program called “Ghostsurf” to hide my IP from some sites.
http://www.tenebril.com/products/ghostsurf/
And I use a program called “SecureClean” that erases the temp internet files when I am done.
http://www.whitecanyon.com/secureclean_help.php


SIG Sauer and a bag of pork chops, Bar’s close up anti-Islam weapons.
And a mini 14 with a scope for them hard reach jihadist.

I had to laugh out loud!

"SIG Sauer and a bag of pork chops, Bar’s close up anti-Islam weapons. And a mini 14 with a scope for them hard reach jihadist.

This is a site just recommended to me by someone who spends a lot of time battling jihadis on PALTALK. It will analyse your IP.

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

Great link Kemaste.

Everyone needs to hit that site and check the results.

Thankfully the eastern print press is all over this one. From what I'm able to make out based on other press reports, it looks like the target of these killings may NOT have been the dad after all, but rather the outspoken 16 year old daughter who debated religious issues out in the open with classmates, etc. In a community with a high Muslim population, this family was probably well known for their views. Let's hope the killers are exposed quickly.

The heartless killer not only slit Sylvia's throat, but also sliced a huge gash in her chest and stabbed her in the wrist, where she had a tattoo of a Coptic cross.

Just as Theo Van Gogh. The disease has travelled pretty fast across the Atlantic.

Have you learn nothing they killed and tortured the 16 year old in fornt of the Mother and Father while they were bound and gagged to torture them the Child had nothing to do with this it was a tipical jihad islamic killing!!!

ISLAMIC TERRORIST MONSTERS RUNNING LOOSE IN THE USA KILLING THOSE WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT THEY ARE DOING...

THEY HAVE BEEN KILLING AMERICANS FOR A LONG TIME WAKE UP HOW MANY MONSTERS ARE IN THIS COUNTERY AND WHAT ROCK ARE THEY UNDER ??

THE MONSTERS DECLARED WAR ON YOU THEY MENT WHAT THEY SAID UNBIND YOUR EARS??

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1321742/posts

Killing the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim.
* * * *
Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans
Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998
Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh
Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said "I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." The Arabian Peninsula has never--since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas--been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies now spreading in it like locusts, consuming its riches and destroying its plantations. All this is happening at a time when nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.
No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:
First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.
If some people have formerly debated the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.
The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless. Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, in excess of 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.
So now they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.
Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there.
The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.
All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."
On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."
This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"
We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.
Almighty God said "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."
Almighty God also says "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."
Almighty God also says "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."


31 posted on 01/16/2005 7:56:33 AM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything- If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)


WAKE UP THIS IS NOT SOME NUT HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING???

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"Gun control is being able to hit your target."

Dead on.

The arguing Coptic father most likely gave out too much personal info, since I doubt the murderous scum who tracked him down had the brains or time to go through the IP work needed to find someone actually being cagey, using a screen name, disguising their locale, etc.

If you are worried about security:

For those with thin (sheetrock) walls in their homes, apts, etc. a double-barreled shotgun, sawed-short, is what most cops will tell you is completely illegal but very much recommended (you don't want to hurt anyone else in the family or neighborhood). Good for close fighting and an effectively wide-spread pellet spray, but not a lot of unplanned-on penetration of structures.

For personal use, a small semi-auto pistol (I like a .25 Raven... cheap, palm-able, but very dependable, strapped into an ankle holster) can come in handy. (No slug in the chamber, and safety on, please!)

It converts anyone trying to impose their faith on you into something more useful to the Earth.
Compost.

Here in Paris (Kentucky? Or Texas? Or France?)
the weather is unseasonable, but the outlook is good.

My heart gopes out to the poor kids of this family.

May hell start a roasting spit spinning for the cowardly maniac(s) who did it.

I hope Mr. Armanious is not the Copt Christian who has posted here at JW a couple of times.

freestar:

You noticed it as well.

The MSM in Britain, following government directives I suppose, is not revealing any details of any murders caused by stabbings, or the torching of any women, that will give away the identity of the perpetrator. Where in the past, the news would reveal that Mr M.XX for instance, was being questioned in relation to the torching of a young woman in London, now just a statement that a man in London is being questioned.

I also hear that a minister for islamic affairs is going to be appointed if Labour win the election. This on top of legislation, which will make it an offence to criticise islam or their paedophile sociopath of a prophet.

'It converts anyone trying to impose their faith on you into something more useful to the Earth.Compost.'
Posted by: profitsbeard

Very well put!

Your analysis is right on. Close up you don’t need a .357, its fun but a little bit of an overkill. I would suggest a shotgun with a riot barrel, if a sawed off shotgun is not obtainable or undesirable. I must admit that I prefer a Mossberg 12 gage with a riot barrel and sabot slugs, the slug is equivalent to a .50 cal., now that is going to hurt just a little.

Slightly OT but Fox News had an interview with Geert Wilders last night. Can't remember what the show was but the presenter said "we're hopefully going to hear more from you" or something along the line...

Things are really bad when you're beginning to wonder who is going to get killed next by these scumbags.

Absolutely chilling... This is why I am no longer a member of AOL or its message boards. I take back my thoughts on "vetting" of other members of this site. Wow.

There is no "reasoning" with Muslims.
Never has been, never will be.

To all of us "Jihadwatch members", we must get this news out, we must tell everyone that Pearl, Berg, and Johnson’s killer are here.
This investigated chat room is just like this web site, except audio chat is also used, and that may be how users would be identified.


Ramses XII

This and after Fox Cuts Out "anti Islamic" scenes from 24 under pressure from CAIR, insult to injury

Pro-Muslims Ad

Fox further decided to distribute a CAIR public service announcement (PSA) to network affiliates to be aired in proximity to “24.”

CAIR's 30 and60 -second PSA feature American Muslims of European, African-American, Hispanic, and Native American heritage.

Each person in the spots states how he/she and his/her family have served America and ends by saying, “I am an American Muslim.”

How much more of this crap are we going to have to put up with? Is the Administration allowing America to become an Islamic Republic.

Ladies and gents-the animals have busted out of the sand box and creeped in through the seems of the American borders.

If anyone sees a CAIR promotional lie come on the air, change the damn channel. In fact, Fox needs to be made aware that the ddedicated Muslims watch al jizzera, not Fox, that we determine their market share and ratings, and that we don't want to see these infomercials about how great this fake religion/ jailhouse cult is.

CAIR looks real good right about now, since Muslim swine slit the throats of four Christians right here in the Statos Unidos. These killings must be avenged. CAIR must explain all of this. Bulldozers running through every one of their office front doors has become appropriate.

CAIR should now be transformed, from the hunter to the hunted. It's being said that there's a good chance that this Paltalk (spelling) site is owned by the Saudis. Folks, the time has come. Blood has again been spilled on American soil.

This cannot go unanswered.

Van Helsing,

"the mainstream media have crossed the border from supposedly well-meaning kookiness into pure, unadulterated evil."

I think you gotta reign it in a bit, bro. No matter how much you or I gnash our teeth listening to the seemingly omnipresent pro-left media, and no matter what we believe the effects of their policies will be, it is a mistake to brand them as "evil". The western media is not torturing kitties and hatching Dr. Evil plans all day, they are just frikkin' CAPITALISTS. The media know, from polls to subscriptions to TV ratings, which way the wind blows and where their next check is coming from.

If any media personality starts "flag waving" or "non-white-male-christian-bashing", they will be jumped on by the you-know-who-crowd as HATERS.
And FIRED.

So the problem is obvious - HOW TO MAKE THE PROBLEM OBVIOUS!

PS
Tell everybody I know... that's all I got.

At this time, nothing on Reuters, nothing on any other news sites i check on.

Our governments are petrified; if they let the full horror, and the danger to all of us, out to the public, moslems may be killed in the streets, mosques torched. If they continue to 'blur' what is happening, to avoid a public and thoughtless response, they lose our trust, and our votes will go to the candidate with a solution, almost regardless of what other policies that politico has.

At this point i would vote for any politico who will make my country look extremely unwelcoming to muslims, all muslims.

We must stop accepting islam as a religion, ship back to wherever a few hundreds of thousands of muslems, legal or not, bulldoze some mosques. Nasty stuff, against my liberal instincts, but the survival of civilization, the survival of my freedom, require that and more.

Wake up western governments, wake up western press, wake up wishful thinking lefties and liberals.

If this story won`t get front page attention nationwide,it will be the sign that the muslim community is waiting for,to declare open season on all christians that oppose in any way the islamic cancer.
Fox has presented the full story but if other media outlets will ignore it,it will get burried soon.
We have to contact the talk radio hosts such as Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity.

It's not even posted on Drudge. I emailed them and complained.

"the mainstream media have crossed the border from supposedly well-meaning kookiness into pure, unadulterated evil. "

I think they're scared -- just like Hollywood who espouses human rights and is an equal opportunity demeaner. They veer clear of anything deemed even slightly anti-Islamic. They might get worry lines in their fresly botoxed faces worrying about getting knifed or someone planting a bomb under their Prius. You'd think these free thinkers would hemorrhage over a clitorectomy but zzzzzz ...

Nah, their not evil, they're cowards.

greetings to all who love America and her allies,(humiliation by truth to those who don't) and hello to Mr. R. Spencer. May God bless you for your efforts..found out about this site in a local mag, and look forward to posting in the future..
To start, I can only say that I sadly feel that America or one of our friends will have to suffer another terrible event by these cowardly, sadistic, poor examples of humanity before we really wake up to their deluded fantasy of life that they wish to make a reality in our time..It is inevitable that their vision of Sharia will be discarded in the trash heap of history, but it's a shame about how many of us freedom-loving citizens of the world will be forced to make a sacrifice to ensure our way of life.. make that THE way of life

What are we going to say now about American Colleges and Technical Schools training Muslims to fly planes (But not take off or land them) and graduating them with degrees in computer science and Biochemistry?!

The amount of information one can gather on another in a chat room depends on the length of time you chat and the setting of the chat room. In a small intimate local chat you can give clues about yourself over a period of time, that can lead anyone to your door. Never be specific about anything in a chat...I Answer Where do you live with, In the NE portion of America, and What do you do? with I speak the truth in chat rooms.

I used to complain about my dial up connection...Not any more...I like not having the same IP each time I connect.

If we allow this brutal murder to frighten us, then the brutality of the murders has served the Muslim purpose...To strike terror into our hearts.

I do not know about the Dutch or the French, but the reaction of grass roots America might not be to the Muslims liking...Not that I am promoting mindless violence toward Muslims, but there are many that will not see violence against Muslims as mindless.

My heart goes out to the friends and loved ones of the murdered family. I am praying for divine protection for each and every Muslim target, regardless of religion.

Fox news is now reporting on this event and right now have a police expert on who is convinced it was a ritual killing because of the way they were slaughtered.

Posted by: Bar at January 16, 2005 07:17 PM

Like that 12ga mine is a rementon use it for dove hunting In the season but when not in season sits with the larger bbs locked and loaded use to think keep the 1st chamber emty and the sound of loading would make anyone with sience take off but now who cares just shoot if they are in the house and uninvited?!!

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PS
The Arch Bichiop from the Vat. in Iraq was Kiddnapped??

This is Monday evening and the "Fox Report with Shepherd Smith" just lead with this as their top story. Fox played up the idea that this was an islamofacist attack. The broadcast included footage from the funeral of the family. A man was filmed saying in effect "We expect this type of thing in Egypt, but not in America"! A Muslim cleric of some stripe showed up "wanting to attend the funeral". He was nearly lynched by attending Copts and the police had to drag him to safety. Fox, at least, is not letting this disappear from the radar scope.

This is an outrage and Islam must be stopped. The moslems have a one track mind thatis to overcome America and make it all moslems territory. I WILL NEVER REVERT TO ISLAM. This is sad that this family was tricked into believing this moslem family wanted to convert to Christianity and then killed them. What has this world come to?
Honor killings in the name of Islams Allah, and so much more, our soldiers being beheaded and have in shown live on AlJazera television. I think this is a load of BS and it must be stopped as Americans it is our right to step up and do our job to defend OUR COUNTRY. Send the moslems back to the middle east where they belong. All this killing and hate from the moslems is just plain old and I am sick and tired of it THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PEaCEFULL MOSLEM I have yet to meet one.

This is an outrage and Islam must be stopped. The moslems have a one track mind thatis to overcome America and make it all moslems territory. I WILL NEVER REVERT TO ISLAM. This is sad that this family was tricked into believing this moslem family wanted to convert to Christianity and then killed them. What has this world come to?
Honor killings in the name of Islams Allah, and so much more, our soldiers being beheaded and have in shown live on AlJazera television. I think this is a load of BS and it must be stopped as Americans it is our right to step up and do our job to defend OUR COUNTRY. Send the moslems back to the middle east where they belong. All this killing and hate from the moslems is just plain old and I am sick and tired of it THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PEaCEFULL MOSLEM I have yet to meet one.

This is an outrage and Islam must be stopped. The moslems have a one track mind thatis to overcome America and make it all moslems territory. I WILL NEVER REVERT TO ISLAM. This is sad that this family was tricked into believing this moslem family wanted to convert to Christianity and then killed them. What has this world come to?
Honor killings in the name of Islams Allah, and so much more, our soldiers being beheaded and have in shown live on AlJazera television. I think this is a load of BS and it must be stopped as Americans it is our right to step up and do our job to defend OUR COUNTRY. Send the moslems back to the middle east where they belong. All this killing and hate from the moslems is just plain old and I am sick and tired of it THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PEaCEFULL MOSLEM I have yet to meet one.







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