No charity for dhimmis

Check out this:

http://www.muslimhands.org/

At first I thought wow, thats real turn up for the books! But delivng closer seems more like a turnip.

"How will my Zakah be spent?
Muslim Hands can insure that your Zakah reaches the most needy Muslims around the world"

In their FAQ, a valid reason for not fasting is listed as 'Jihaad'.

And they are refusing to answer my emails about non-muslims!

Ugh! What a disgusting attitude. But not surprising.

Meanwhile, almost a billion dollars is heading that way, to be spent on helping the victims. And we don't care what their religion is, what colour they are, female, male, child, elderly, left, right, we don't care. We wouldn't even dream of asking or wondering about that. Decent human beings don't do that.

Too bad the media doesn't pick this up and run with it. Big coverage. Hard-hitting analysis. No, they'd only do that if the Pope or some rabbi said something similar. Then it'd be top story for weeks. But Islam boldly spews this intolerance, and media is nowhere to be found.

"Some non-Muslims may receive a portion of Zakah if there is hope that by giving them Zakah that [sic] might lead to their conversion into Islam."

Bribing people to convert to Muhammadanism. This is religious discrimination also.

What kind of "compassion" is this? I know. Its not compassion. That's what it is.

If you are intending to donate then do make sure that the charities concerned, respond to need only.

As for the funds that our respective governments are pouring in, they will go to governments. Now at cabinet level, the ministers in Indonesia may not discriminate, but at much lower levels ie at civil servant level and worker level, discrimination is most likely. I say this on the grounds, that if a professor of islamic jurisprudence has despicable views, then one has to question what views do those who do not have academic professorial credentials.

As for zakat - many of the muslims in Europe are unemeployed. Thus their zakat contribution comes from benefit money ie ordinary, and for the most part, nominal Christian tax payers. Even for muslims employed here in the West, the hard currency they earn is a consequence of Western economies.

In Indonesia, Christians have been murdered enmasse, and face ongoing persecution. As aid is distributed, they will be marginalised and penalised, as they have been all the time. It is for this reason that I advocate donating a portion of any donation that you see fit, to go the Barnabus fund, to ensure that the marginalised Christians in Indonesia are also cared for.

http://www.barnabasfund.org/

So the Religion of Peace turns out to be the Religion of War. Muslim charities turn out to be fundraising fronts for men who commit mass murder of non-Muslim civilians. Muslim tolerance turns out to be a protection racket. Muslim women's rights turn out to be half-rights. ...

Surely there must be a way to bring this discriminatory attitude to the attention of those in the Media...? Sadly, I know our local rag wouldn't print it, nor would any of the papers in the Gannett Chain. So once again, TRUTH loses out. Sad.

This is such a f*ucked up attitude but it also illuminates the massive differences between Islam, Jews and Christians et al. Infidel around the world are donating not just their time but MILLIONS, AND MILLIONS of dollars to help ease the suffering of these victims -- some whose faith demands subjugation or death for these giving and righteous people..

Can you imagine, if it was up to Muslims alone, what the rescue and aid effort would be like?
No peace for mankind, no comforting mankind, no help for the suffering but donate a few bucks to kill the infidel? SURE!!!

They can take their prayers and shove 'em

This is the ethos of Christianity in action. Did you notice that a large proportion of aid and military coordination assistance is coming from Australia? -- the same country which suffered a horrendous loss a couple of years ago from the Bali bombings which were arranged by Indonesian Muslim fanatics!!!!

Australian Christians now give money and aid to Muslim Indonesians, although many of those same Muslim Indonesians applauded the murder of Australian citizens and some even now plot to kill more Australians.

Which is the greater ethos? Islam's racist view that only Muslims in need "matter", or Christianity's Good Samaritan view that all people in need "matter"? And yet we are constantly bombarded with the viewpoints of leftists idiots who draw a moral equivalence between Islam and Christianity. There is NO equivalence. Christianity teaches right from wrong; Islam only teaches haram from halal.

Have you also heard that a rather large sum of money and needed items are being sent from the States? From what I hear, they lost a few to the lunatics.

Cults - and instead of a religion, we should refer to it as that - take care of their own, the rest of us can go to hell. Isn't Allah great?

This tops it --

The EAST TIMORESE are sending money. The same East Timorese who were slaughtered in their tens of thousands by the Indonesian Muslim occupiers:

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/041230/ap/d879t2r00.html

Because they are Christian, that's why they are helping. A Muslim country would send suicide bombers if their positions were reversed, not aid.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

This statement made by Moslems about their God is a lie and exposes their full ignorance.

The Moslem God only loves Moslems. So he is not the Most Merciful, he is not Most Gracious, he loves you ONLY if you love him first. The Moslem God (Allah) is unjust, unmerciful, ungracious and quite pretentious.

Why would a supposably just God let unjust man be the judge, jury and executioner of a man that God (Allah) supposably created ?

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

By their actions Moslems Worship Mohammed along with Allah.
That makes them polytheist, not monotheist! But maybe not in Arabic?

From what I have seen and read this infidel thinks that the Moslem God (Allah) is either the most unjust, unworthy, capricious God or a man made god made in the image of one particularly ignorant pagan named Mohammed.

So lets look at actions made this week, believing that actions tell of ones true heartfelt values.

Islam ( Mohammadanism ) give money only to Moslems not those pig infidels that we know Allah hates just as much as we do. Hell we ( Moslems ) don’t even really like other Moslems so don’t expect a lot of money from our rich Moslem Countries. We will let the infidels help you Moslems, we know the Americans like to do stuff like that, we are more selfish then that, Allah demands it.

America a place founded by Christians and Biblical Christian values, give to ALL in need.
Give until it hurts.

But what would this infidel know?

Great link Suzan! To all those useful idiots of the Left who believe in moral equivilancy, SHUT THE HELL UP! This is proof positive that there is a world of difference between Islamic (man inspired) and Judeo-Christian (JHVH inspired) ethos. We ARE different because we open our hearts and wallets to those in need regardless of race or creed. Islam, which is still stuck in it's 7th century tribalism culture, has never understood this. The anti-American Left, with it's arrogance and intellectual pride, has never understood this either. Nevertheless, let us continue to pray for the salvation for those who hate and despise us. Not because I want to (I don't quite frankly), but because the God of Israel commands us to do it.

I followed the links to a few Muslim charities listed by the BBC as organizations that one could give donations to 'to help' in the tsumani disaster. In all cases, I could not find projects in Infidel countries that aim to help Infidels, aside from da'wa (the Call to Islam) projects.

Here is an example: Muslim Hands has only one 'project' in a non-Muslim country, Mexico. The project is in Chiapas and is explicitly aimed at da'wa:

http://www.muslimhands.org/location/samerica/mexico/mex1.php

Interesting, isn't it, that Chiapas is the only state in Mexico (that I know of) with problems of organized violence against the state, a hotbed of discontent and trouble. Is Muslim Hands in Chiapas to help the people better their lives or to establish a Muslim base in a region ripe for revolt against an Infidel state?

And Mozambique, one of the poorest countries in the world has made a donation when they are still recovering from their disasterous floods of 5 years ago. Their government described it as symbolic, because it was not a huge sum, but they remembered the aid they received when they were in need. On the widows mite principle it is a significant effort.
The Barnabas Fund issue leaflets that make interesting reading.

Bribery is a common adjunct to Da'wa. In Saudi Arabia, an acquaintance of mine was working in a hospital for women. Her Saudi patients liked her and wanted her to be a Muslim, so they took up a collection, and offered her $30,000 to "revert." She refused.

You may remember, in the old Walt Disny comics, when Goofy has to make a decision, and there are whispering into either ear, on one side a devil who looks just like Goofy, and on the other side an angel who also looks just like Gooffy. Well, the Devil might have whispered to that lady: For god's sake, just pocket the $30,000, recite the Shehada, and be done with it. Eventually you can hightail it on out of there, and no hit squad will follow to ensure that you, an American, remain an Infidel. That suggestion has its points.

Of course, as a government, the United States seems hellbent on bribing Muslims everywhere -- not to become Christians, or to give up Islam, but just -- well, just to be nice. It isn't working. Not anymore than that $30,000 would have made my acquaintance become a real Muslim.

There is a moral here.

Since muslims are against helping non-mulims, why should non-muslims help muslims? Americans want to help all who need it.Even if hatred is given in return from those America aided. Is the muslim heart that big? America is hated for many things. But, being muslims would never help a non-muslim, America should send no money, at all. Where would the world be, if America closed her borders and shunned the world? Everytime there is trouble, America is there trying to help. America does not have to help any country. Be glad any money is sent. Americans try to help because of goodness in their hearts. And if America fell, what country would be strong enough to fill the shoes and fulfill the responsibility? Talk is easy.

Let's hope the world's media will note the feeble response of the Muslim countries and communities to this disaster.

The vast majority of the Tsunami victims are themselves Mulims but their Muslim brothers are only aroused into action when they can spot infidels in the plot. Remember how so many European and American Muslims wasted no time packing their bags to carry out 'social work' duties in Afghanistan in 2001. And how every Muslim on earth lies in bed worrying about the plight of their Palestinian brothers and those brothers in Iraq, and Kashmir and Chechnya.

You can be sure there will be no shortage of money and volunteers when they start re-building the devasted mosques and throw in a few more mosques that weren't there before.

And the Imams could have helped a lot more. All they had to do was tell their illiterate congregations that the 'Tsunami' were a gang of Japanese atheists who had decided to declare war on Islam.

With a combined GDP among all 22 states in the Arab League being less than that of Spain alone, don't expect much "charity" from that part of the world. This would be a convenient excuse except that it begs the question, why are the Arab countries so steeped in poverty? Why are their economies such dismal failures? Why are their public choice mechanisms (governments) so impotent? While the middle class citizens of Europe, America and Asia enjoy a standard of living higher than that enjoyed by any Roman emperor, why are Muslims around the world so incapable of organizing their political, economic and social institutions sufficiently to provide anything more than what is necessary to remain above the state of destitution? To paraphrase James Carville's popular 1992 US presidential campaign slogan, "It's the ideology, stupid."

The following is excerpted from 'Answers to common questions to new Muslims' (Published 1993 by the Islamic Assembly of North America):

Giving Voluntary Charity to non-Muslims:

Question: Is it permissible to give charity to non-Muslims?

Response: It is not permissible to give zakat to the non-Muslims. Furthermore, it is disliked to give voluntary charity to the non-Muslims because, in so doing, you are supporting them in their disbelief Allah says in the Quran, "But do not help one another in sin and transgression" (al-Maidah 5:2). However, if you hope for someone to be Muslim. then there is no harm in giving him some charity in the hope that it might encourage him to become Muslim. If you fear that someone is about to die, it is permissible to save him from death in order to let him know about the beauty of lslam.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Announcement/MuslimGuidelines.htm

That is a really uplifting bit of information that you provided. It is part of the good Samaritan principle of Christianity.

It also wouldnt surprise me that the persecuted Christians in the Moluccas, are also giving, of what little they have, to charity to help the needy in this human tragedy.

I also wish to raise the issue of the thousands killed in the Indian Andaman and Nicobar islands. Some 15,000 out of a population of 35,000 are presumably dead. Yet there is not much news of this, and not much assistance going their way as a consequence. Are they being ignored because 99% of the population of these islands are Christian?

I am one Australian who wont be donating money to Indonesia. Thailand and the Andamans are also in dire need.

Petty? Maybe. Australians have donated millions of dollars privately, and the government is donating about $30 million AUD - most of that money will go to Indonesia, I suspect.

Many people have commented that doing good for Muslims will expose them to another side of westerners and break down the hatred they feel for us. I disagree - I think aid will exacerbate the bad feelings. Added to hatred will be humiliation because they had to turn to the dreaded infidel for help.

I agree with you Diana. One just has to recall Somalia.

I'm also fairly certain that the funds that are being sent from the West to Indonesia, will in the main be alotted to muslims only, and Christians will be discriminated against. I would suggest that any donation one may think of making, a certain fraction be sent to the Barnabus Fund. This atleast ensures, that all the needy get the help that they deserve.

"Answer In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful".

Alright, which is it? Is it Allah, most gracious, most merciful?

Or is it Allah, the one who caused this tsunami as a warning to return to Islam like what was posted over at JW?

Muslims, your names are confusing enough. How about some consistent dialogue to help all of us idiotic "Unbelievers" along.

Well, as a conscientious Protestant Christian, I don't pray for the dead. The souls in heaven don't need our help; while those in Hell are beyond it.

I do, however, pray for the living, the suffering, the needy, etc.--and especially that people would be touched by God's grace.

And Caritas and other catholic organisations help catholics and people from other religions but muslims not, is very sad, what a hard is loving our muslims enemies

It is not unusual for members of a faith community to have different standards for charity directed to help in-group and out-group individuals.

That being said, Islam's attitude seems to be particularly lacking in compassion to non-Muslims.

Jewish law, for example, also mandates tithing and other charitable contributions, and clearly places a priority on helping one's fellow Jews in distress. However, and this is a clear point of Jewish law, a Jew must give charity to the poor non-Jews of his city before he can donate to impoverished Jews elsewhere.

Perhaps this traditional Jewish attitude towards helping those outside the community is the basis for an interesting factoid. Surveys show that not only due Orthodox Jews contribute a larger percentage of their incomes to Jewish charities than non-Orthodox Jews, surprisingly Orthodox Jews also contribute a larger percentage of their incomes to non Jewish charities than their heterodox brothers and sisters.

In all fairness, the fatwa doesn't say that Moslems shouldn't give charity to non-Moslems; it pretty clearly says that they may give such charity, but they can't count it as fulfilment of their religious obligation of zakah ("As for non-Muslims, they might deserve donation or any other form of assistance but not Zakah.")

From DP111:

I'm also fairly certain that the funds that are being sent from the West to Indonesia, will in the main be alotted to muslims only, and Christians will be discriminated against. I would suggest that any donation one may think of making, a certain fraction be sent to the Barnabus Fund. This atleast ensures, that all the needy get the help that they deserve.

There are very few Christians in Aceh; I saw a report about mosques surviving while the tsunami levelled other buildings around them, and it mentioned Chinese but not Christians. The Christians in Sumatra are mainly in North Sumatra province which is south of Aceh. There are large numbers of Christians among the groups of non-Malay peoples in the hills known as Bataks, particularly the northern Batak groups (the southern Batak are mostly Muslim). To what extent they were affected by the tsunami I've no idea; probably not much as they live in the hills. Elsewhere you will find large Christian populations in parts of Sulawesi and in the eastern small islands like Flores and Timor.