Philippines arrests jihadists over plot to bomb Catholic procession

Why Moslems are willing to do this;

Islam allows jihad and permits war until the following Qur'anic verse is fulfilled:

‘We will we show them Our signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'an) is the truth.’

(Surat al-Fussilat (41), ayah 53)

The Catholics have not accepted their true revalation of Allah, so they earned their fate(can anyone find this idea in the Bible?

http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/jihad/#why_fight

In fact there is so much revealing information about jihad from the Moslem perspective, I should have titled this link "Everything you wanted to know about jihad, but were afraid to ask":

http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/jihad/#why_fight

If my memory serves, before the WTC was selected as a target, al-Qaeda had the idea of hijacking jetliners and crashing them into Pope John Paul II who was visiting the Phlippines. That plot was foiled, too, but al-Qaeda kept the idea regarding using planes as weapons in the back burner.

Kashmer mulsums attack an Goverment Building run on the India side and set the building on fire Indias sholdiers kill Attackers!!

South Korea says it wants it's aid workers protected? from the mulsum terrorist??

Mandiella's son dies from AIDs??

Train Reck in Italy?

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to Victory to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat give the World Balls to Stand and Fight Amen

PS
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/
POLICYWATCH
Number 938 January 6, 2005
Defining Terrorism
Andrew Eastman
On December 4, 2004,

United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan's High-level Panel on Threats, Challenges, and Change released a report calling for several reforms to help the UN provide increased security for member nations. One of the chief recommendations identified by the sixteen-member panel was the need for an international definition of terrorism. Currently, the UN has different mechanisms under which it designates groups and individuals as terrorists, and the U.S. government also uses a variety of definitions of terrorism in drawing up its lists of terrorists. These varying mechanisms and definitions can impede the coordination between the UN and the United States. With the U.S. Treasury Department and State Department recently adding names to the Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGT) and Terrorist Exclusion List (TEL), respectively, and subsequently submitting these names to the UN for consideration to similar type lists, it is useful to review how the different U.S. government agencies and the United Nations designate terrorist groups -- specifically, how they define terrorism.
The International Community
The lack of a clear international definition of terrorism hinders effective coordination in combating it. In the past, twelve international conventions that criminalized particular activities related to terrorism were as far as international law extended regarding an international consensus on terrorism. Examples include the taking of hostages (1979), terrorist bombings (1997), and terrorist financing (1999).
On October 8, 2004, UN Security Council member nations unanimously passed Security Council resolution 1566 (2004), which was a strong step towards codifying international law concerning acts of terrorism. Security Council resolution 1566 incorporates many of these aspects by defining "terrorism" to include:
"[C]riminal acts, including [those] against civilians, committed with the intent to cause death or serious bodily injury, or taking of hostages, with the purpose to provoke a state of terror in the general public or in a group of persons or particular persons, intimidate a population or compel a government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act, which constitute offences within the scope of and as defined in the international conventions and protocols relating to terrorism, are under no circumstances justifiable by considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other similar nature. . ."
Kofi Annan and his panel further called on the international community to formulate an agreed-upon definition based on these principles, combining them with the existing international conventions to establish the basis for a uniform international definition.
A major obstacle to the establishment of such a definition is the question of "resistance" to occupation. In March 2002, the Organization of the Islamic Conference met for the acknowledged objectives of defining terrorism and detaching it from Islam in the aftermath of September 11. Talks quickly broke down over the issue of whether terrorist acts against civilians are legitimate if carried out under the rubric of "resistance" against "occupation." The recent UN panel, which included Amr Moussa, the Egyptian Chairman of the League of Arab States, clearly states, "The right to resistance is contested by some. But it is not the central point: the central point is that there is nothing in the fact of occupation that justifies the targeting and killing of civilians." Next month, a conference held by the Arab Interior Ministers Council in Riyadh will attempt to clarify international standards of terrorism.
Labeling terrorists as such has a functional purpose as well. To help discern particular terrorist organizations and activities, Security Council resolution 1566 established another working group that includes all Security Council members like the United Nations 1267 Committee. The UN 1267 Committee administers the execution by states of the sanctions imposed by the Security Council on individuals and entities belonging or related to the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden and will consider adding them to a list it maintains for this purpose. This new working group must "consider and submit recommendations to the Council on practical measures to be imposed upon individuals, groups, or entities involved in or associated with terrorist activities." The new committee does not review issues related to the Taliban, al-Qaeda, or Osama bin Laden as this function is still reserved for the 1267 Committee.
The United States
The United States has three main avenues for designating terrorists and terrorist organizations. Each designation serves a different purpose, and the definitions of terrorism used as the basis for each designation differ.
• Executive order 13224 (SDGT): This executive order empowers the Departments of State and Treasury to place both groups and individuals on the Specially Designated Global Terrorist list from Executive Order 13224, which defines terrorism as: "[A]n activity that (1) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life, property, or infrastructure; and (2) appears to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, kidnapping, or hostage-taking."
This also includes any activity that provides financial, material, or technological support of acts of terrorism or entities designated in or under the Order.
• Terrorist Exclusion List (TEL): Under Section 411 of the USA PATRIOT Act of 2001 (8 U.S.C. § 1182) the Secretary of State, in consultation with or upon the request of the Attorney General, is authorized "to designate terrorist entities for immigration purposes" on the TEL.
The principal stipulations for a group to be designated on the TEL include committing terrorist activity, planning a terrorist activity, and gathering targeting information for a terrorist activity. Under the statute, "terrorist activity" is described by a list of actions. These include hostage taking and the use of a weapon with the intent to endanger people's safety or cause substantial property damage. The criteria also include any threat, attempt, or conspiracy to execute any of these activities. Groups can also be designated for soliciting funds or members for or materially supporting any organization on the TEL list.
• Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO): Under Section 411 of the Patriot Act, the State Department, in conjunction with the Department of Justice, currently designates terrorist organizations that engage in "terrorism" or "terrorist activity." Under this statute, terrorism is defined as: "Špremeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents."
These differing definitions of terrorism lead to discrepancies among the different lists. Though the State Department uses a similar list of "terrorist activities" to designate both FTOs and TELs as with TELs, there are currently only four names that appear on both the TEL and FTO lists. The Department of Defense, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Department of Justice also have slightly varying definitions of terrorism.
Next Step for the U.S. Government
As it does with all designees related to the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden, the United States will submit the recently designated names to the United Nations 1267 Committee. This would compel the international community to further constrict the financial avenues of these individuals beyond U.S. reach. While the membership of the U.S. and UN lists overlap, the various procedures fail to use the same definition of terrorism and contain different criteria for designating terrorists. A definition of terrorism agreed upon by the United States and the UN would help streamline the international designation process. Clearly distinguishing terrorists allows the United States to mobilize the help of the international community more rapidly in the war on terror. The United States should pursue the issue of defining terrorism through the efforts of the UN panel and next month's Arab Interior Ministers Council conference.
Andrew Eastman is a research assistant at The Washington Institute

Andrew, there are many bibical prophesies that address what the moslems are doing. The book of Daniel states that there would come a time when "men will kill you and think they are doing a service to God".

Just Linda

Moslems = Lovers of death.... at least according to the website posted by Andrew.

They worship what they do not know and bow before satan five times a day. How sad.

Just Linda

Here is the Gospel of Luke 21:8-10 that I find telling:

8
He answered, "See that you not be deceived, for many will come in my name, saying, 'I am he,' and 'The time has come.' 3 Do not follow them!
9
When you hear of wars and insurrections, do not be terrified; for such things must happen first, but it will not immediately be the end."
10
Then he said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom...

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke21.htm

Just Linda

Hal Linsey frequently writes that he cannot find reference to America in Biblical prophesey. This is difficult to explain considering America's prominence in world affairs. I've often wondered this myself.

Where is America in Bible Prophecy?

http://www.hallindseyoracle.com/articles.asp?ArticleID=8947

Andrew, Just Linda~ perhaps it is so far in the future that the US is no longer a major component.

Re: Pope John Paul II

So the Mussies are attacking Catholics in the P.I.?

And we have Pope John Paul II who breaks bread with them.

See this link for the differences between Catholic teachings and Islamic teachings and how they can never be reconciled:

www.beranbeacon.org/article/papacy_and_islam.htm

And the current Pope states that Mussies and Christians worship the same G-d! Not True!!!!!!

Just a reminder from the spider gods
ANANSI
ARACHNE
AREOP
COQUEELAA
ICTINIKE
KANANESKI-ANAYEHI
KOYANGWUTI
MARAWA
MEBEGE
MICTLANTECUHTLI
NAYANEZGANI
NYAMBI
NYIKO
NYOKONAN
SNOQALM
SOTUKNANG
TEOTIHUACAN
SUSSISTANAKO
TE-IKAWAI
WULBARI -
That somewhere in the ancient scrolls it says
Thou shallt not kill
Cos if we are keelled ow can we fook da mussies

Activist chat at the January 05, 2005 thread "Marine who surfaced in Lebanon after purported kidnapping missing again".
Linda, can you explain the process of attaining a password, posting, etc. at this thread?
Thanks

Correction...link should read:

http://www.beranbeacon.org/article/papacy_and_islam.htm

Sorry...

"They would rig their bodies with bombs, join the procession, and blow themselves up.

That's the plan...that's it?!

What sort of manipulation does it take, how long does it take to convince someone to do this?

I would like to know for no other reason than to try it out on a few of my liberal friends (not really friends) to see if I could turn them into upstanding conservatives.

Just_Linda wrote in response to Andrew:

"men will kill you and think they are doing a service to God"

There was a lot of that going on in the Bible. People getting sawed in half, stoned, crucified, burned, and the like and it has been carried out by seemingly every group but the early church.

I think the important lesson is that sometimes the best of intentions to do good can actually be very misguided and downright evil, producing effects and consequences that are exactly opposite of what we intended.

People are always in danger of behaving foolishly when humans assume:
1. God is on "their side"
2. That they have an exclusive franchise on "The Truth."
3. That "life on earth" can be marginalized by suffering and death for the greater good of "life in heaven" or another "reincarnation" here on Earth.

These are the ideas that are the very basis for the crimes against humanity that are being commited by the Islamic fanatics.

What is the solution? The courage and freedom to question and to doubt what you are taught as well as your own conclusions. But most importantly just plain everyday honesty with oneself, which is something that is truely lacking in today's world I'm sure you would agree.

f.g.

Posted by: Andrew at January 7, 2005 11:03 AM

He also said??

Luke 22:36] Then he said to them,” But now, he who has a moneybag let him take it and like wise a knapsack and he who has no SWORD let him sell his garment and Buy one.
37] For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished to me and he was numbered with the transgressors”

REMEMBER Jesus did not come to change the laws of the prophets before him?? You can not understand the New without knowing the old!!!

and the OLD says??

False Prophets!
Deuteronomy chapter 13:1-19
Be careful to observe only that which I enjoin you. Neither add to it nor take away from it.
If there appears among you a prophet or dreamer-diviner and he gives you a sign or a portent. Saying let us follow and worship another god whom you have not experienced even if the sign or portent that he he named to come true, do not heed the words of that prophet or that dream-diviner. For the LORD your God is testing you to see whether you really love the LORD your GOD with all your heart and soul.
Follow none but the LORD your GOD and revere none, but Him, Observe His Commandments alone and head only His Orders Worship none but Him and hold fast to Him. As for that prophet or dreamer-diviner he shall be put to Death, for he urged disloyalty to the LORD your GOD- who freed you from the land of Egypt and who Redeemed you from the house of Bondage to make you stray from the path that the LORD your GOD Commanded you to Follow. Thus you will sweep out the Evil from your mist. If your brother, your own mothers son, or your son or daughter, or wife of your bosom, or your closest friend entices you to secret saying “ come let us worship other gods” whom neither you nor your father have experienced. From among the gods of the peoples around you either near to you or distant, anywhere from one end of the earth to the other. Do not assent or give heed to him, show him no pity or compassion, and do not shield him; but take his life let your hand be the first against him to put him to death and the land of the rest of the people there after, stone him to death for he sought to make you stray from the LORD your GOD who brought you out of the Land of Egypt out of the House of Bondage. This all Israel will hear and be afraid and such Evil things will not be done again in your mist, If you hear it said of one of the towns that the LORD your GOD is giving you to dwell in, that some scoundrels from among you have gone and subverted the inhabitants of their town saying “come let us worship other gods” whom you have not experienced. You shall investigate and inquire and interrogate thoroughly. If it is true, the fact is established – that abhorrent thing was perpetrated in your midst, put the inhabitants of the town to the SWORD and put its cattle to the SWORD. DOOM it and all that is in it to destruction. Gather all it spoil into open square and Burn the town and all it’s spoil as a holocaust to the LORD your GOD and it shall remain everlasting ruin never to be rebuilt, Let nothing that has been DOOMED Stick to your hand in order that the LORD may turn from his Blazing Anger and show Compassion and in His Compassion increase you as He Promised your Fathers on Oath, For you will be heeding the LORD your GOD, Obeying all His commandments which I enjoin upon you this day, doing what is right in the sight of the LORD your GOD.

OH BUT THEY HAD OBEYED THIS LAW mo-ham-od would have been found out and his followers would not plague on the world today?? No wonder mo-ham-od would want all the Jews & Christians dead they had the written word and those who could read it!!!

and then their is this??

I say it does matter and either you are with us or against us!!!

Luke 11:17 – 11:23 But he know their thoughts said: Every kingdom divided against its self is brought to desolation, and a house divided against a house falls. If Satan also is divided against himself how will his kingdom stand? Because you say I cast out demons by Beelzebub by whom do you sons cast them out?? Therefore They will be your Judges. But I cast out demons with the finger of God surly the Kingdom of God has come upon you. When a Strong Man Fully armed guards his own place, his goods are in peace. But when a stronger than he comes upon him and overcomes him taken from him all his armor in which he trusted and divides his spoils.
Luke 11:23 He who is not with me is against me and he who does not gather with me scatters.

Luke 22:35
And he said to them when I sent you without moneybag, knapsack and sandals did you lake anything: so they said Nothing then he said to them But now who has a moneybag let him take it and likewise a knapsack and he who has no sword let him sell his garments and buy one: 22:27 For I say to you that this which is written must be accomplished in me and he was numbered whit the transgressors for the things concerning me have an end

AND THEN THERE IS THIS??

Ecclesiastes5:8-14
Walk in the light
For you once darkness but now you are light in the lord walk as children of light. [for the fruit of the spirit is in goodness, righteousness, and truth]
Find out what is acceptable to the Lord your God and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of Darkness, But rather EXPOSE them.
12] For it is shameful ever to speak of those things which are done by them in secret [mussis are changing our laws so we can’t. look at the 2 Christians in Pa. and look at the 2 Christians in Australia put in jail for speaking out]
13] But all things that are exposed are made to manifest by the light, For whatever makes manifest is light. [If it is in the light it can been seen and be dealt with]
14] Therefore he says
AWAKE, You who sleep arise from the Dead
And the Lord your God will give you light in the Darkness
6:10] Finally my Brethren be strong in the Lord your God and in the Power of his might
11] Put on the whole armor of God, That you may be able to Stand against the wiles of the Devil
13] Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to with stand in the Evil day and having done all to Stand.
16] Above all, taking the Shield of Faith with which you will be able to quench all the Fiery Darts of the Wicked ones.
REMEMBER
Luke 22:36] Then he said to them,” But now, he who has a moneybag let him take it and like wise a knapsack and he who has no SWORD let him sell his garment and Buy one.
37] For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished to me and he was numbered with the transgressors”

THIS IS WHAT THE OLD POPE IS NOT WARNING HIS PEOPLE AND WAS PRIDICTED BY THE CHILDREN??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fightng Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage too Stay the Course to Victory to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen

PS
Remember the Killer Earthqake and Killer Wave hit the Areas where the Islamic Terrorist were in control???

After you've perused today's Jihad and Dhimmi Watches, check out today's collection of articles at FrontPageMag.com - there's an above average number of excellent articles in today's edition:

"Tower of Babble" By Jamie Glazov
In a Frontpage Exclusive, Dore Gold discusses how the U.N. has fueled global chaos.
(I've read the book - it's excellent)

"Bankrupting Terror" By Joel Mowbray
Lawyers suing the Saudis for $1 trillion are now taking on Arab Bank.

"Europe -- Thy Name Is Cowardice" By Matthias Dopfner
The deadly cost of appeasement.

"The Silent Muslim Majority IS the Problem" By Nonie Darwish
American Muslims do and say nothing about the Arab world's brutal human rights violations.

"The Price of Peace" By JINSA.org
What America must pay to win the terror war.

"Mandate to Kill" By Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook
On PA TV, a Palestinian educator says the killing of Jews is mandatory.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/

OT

January 7, 2005
Good Story

More on the Sheriff:

Ya gotta love this guy. For what it's worth, I checked out the story on snopes.com and it checks out true. ~T

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) is doing it RIGHT!!:

• He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.
• He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails.
• Took away their weights.
• Cut off all but "G" movies.
• He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects. Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.
• He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only let in the Disney channel and the weather channel. When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.
• He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them.....this is a good one......"This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."
• He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.
You have to love this guy!!

• With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts. On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before. Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks. "It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for 1 1/2 years. "It's inhumane." Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat green bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates:

"It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes . . . so shut your damned mouths."

KIND OF PUTS THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE DOESN'T IT?

We can do this with the illegal’s who come in this country no need to release them into America to wait for hearings!!! CONGRESS MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT AND GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND AND FIGHT THEM AMEN

PS
Remember

Have no pity!!!

Re: Pope John Paul II

So the Mussies are attacking Catholics in the P.I.?

And we have Pope John Paul II who breaks bread with them.

God bless the Holy Father, but he is not seeing the threat in the acute way he knew the communist threat--from experience. Remember he is 84 years old. Or maybe he thinks playing good cop might work, letting GWB play bad cop. Whatever, JPII has rightfully earned his place in history.

These are the ideas that are the very basis for the crimes against humanity that are being commited by the Islamic fanatics.

don't even go there f.g. No comparison between Islam and Christianity! Even the horrible Crusades were a reasonable reaction to Muslim conquest. If you write off all faith because different religions resemble each other in some ways, then you've thrown the baby out with the bath water. Sure it's convenient to do intellectually--makes your moral world easier doesn't it? All religions are to blame? No, no religion can compare with the atrocities committed by the dedicated atheists Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Solzhenitzyn found faith in Gulag, and he lived to tell us all about it. It will be the people of faith who will end this conflict untimately, while the nihilists sue for peace so they can enjoy their hedonism and creature comforts.

Posted by: cassandra at January 7, 2005 12:15 PM

I am not saying the Pope has not done good in the Past But his Siding Against Israel who are the Victims[With Strength] will bring down the Church Just look what is Happening to the Church NOW that he has sided with the Pali mussis??

He is Not warning the People and the Children of Prtugal drew a picture years ago and show him walking in white and the People being killed he has misinterpeted this Picture and it's meaning??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT AND COURAGE TO STAND AND DESTROY ALL ISALMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

OT:

American Muslim Television - Broadcasting Al Manar?

Douglas J. Hagmann

7 January 2005-- On 1 January 2005, the Northeast Intelligence Network sent an e-mail to www.bridgestv.com (Bridges TV is the new Muslim television network ceated by and for Muslims) asking whether the network would be broadcasting Al Manar in light of the United States Department of State placing the station on the Terrorist Exclusion List. As of this date, Bridges Television has not responded to the informational request.

1 January 2005

Bridges TV
5378 Big Tree Road
Orchard Park, NY 14127

Reply to: Northeast Intelligence Network (director@homelandsecurityus.com)

Dear Sir/Madam:

With the recent announcement by the United States Department of State placing Al Manar on the Terrorist Exclusion List under section 212(a)(3)(B)(vi)(II) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, we would like to determine whether Bridges TV (http://www.bridgestv.com) will continue to carry the station and advertise its listings.

We appreciate you kind and prompt response.

Best regards,

Douglas J. Hagmann
Director, Northeast Intelligence Network
www.HomelandSecurityUS.com

The e-mail contact is: info@bridgestv.com

A list of their Management Team is here:
http://www.bridgestv.com/contactus.asp

>don't even go there f.g.
>No comparison between Islam and Christianity!

I wasn't. I was talking about the actions of groups of people in the Bible. I even went so far as to say the early church did none of those things.

>All religions are to blame?

Human beings are responsible for the assumtions they make, not their religions. The Islamic religion is just one such product of false and arrogant assumptions.

>no religion can compare with the atrocities ... [by] dedicated athiests ...

People commit atrocities not religions or ideas. They commit deplorable acts because they feel justified in some way in doing so. These justifications come from religious as well as non-religious sources with equal error.

Just which of my three points do you disagree with? Which one hit a nerve? Which, if any, "do not apply" to Islamic terror?

f.g.

I would like to thank the police for their work, these muslims, almost all of them are converts are dangerous and must be seen carefully, thanks to God for saving my brothers in faith and all people, greetings

>I would like to thank the police for their work,

Yes, I agree! Good work guys, keep it up!

f.g.

Where is America in Bible Prophecy?
Posted by: Andrew at January 7, 2005 11:10 AM

Although not expressly talked about, I would presume that America constitutes some part of the "Ships from the west" that come against the Anti Christ in the last days.

Regards,
Kc

The Information Project update is posted on the "Email Trouble" thread.

Susan

So while most Judeo-Christian Nations focus on the human tragedy caused by the Tsunami,it's nice to see that the Warriors of Allah are doing their part to make the world a better place with
peace and goodwill towards men as their Newyears gift to the children of God.

BTW,the Muslim leaders in my area have insisted that Charity by Muslims must be done in secret to be in line with the Quranic teachings
for alms.
Today the media ran a video from a Mosque that boasted about how they raised 1 million dollars
for the Tsunami relief effort.
The real tragedy is that it took a Friday sermon from a Imam to "TELL" them to donate to the disaster efforts,last week the Mosques held prayer meetings for those that died from the Tsunami and said it was a sign from Allah to
stop drifting away from Islam.

It must bring lots of comfort to the starving orphan that's still waiting for its parents to return from the ocean that swallowed them and in the mean time Muslims pray to Allah which doesn't
build one home or fill one stomac of the survivors .

"Where is America in biblical prophecy?"

I can imagine the Spanish in 1550 asking the same thing about Spain, or the British asking this question about England in 1850. Perhaps Charlemagne asked the same question about his great empire in 800, as he thumbed through his bible.

Aside from Israelis, I think trying to find one's national destiny in the bible is rather strange. I remember in the 70's & 80's the American religious right went into vast detail about the biblical significance of its mighty stand-off with the Soviet Union, and how the "end times" were going to be brought about by the evil communists. It was all rubbish of course, but at the time everybody took it very seriously.

The USA will not continue to be the world's most powerful force for much longer, the EU is already the world's largest economy, and as it evolves into a chaotic single state, and as the world shifts away from using the dollar as its international currency (and that will really be a mortal blow for the US economy) the US's influence will diminish. It is already the world's largest debtor nation. The debt keeps on getting bigger and bigger, and in about 25 years something's going to break. Meanwhile, if China keeps on growing the way it is, its GDP will overtake the USA within the lifetime of many of the people reading this. As China has no history of far-flung military adventures, I do not fear this. As far as China's internal freedom goes, at present "Communist China" imprisons less people per head of population than the USA.

I hope that a down-sized USA will become a vast citadel of Christendom; a factor that I don't think is at all threatened by the Latin influx.
In the 21st century, I would love to see the USA continue to improve humanity through scientific research, to completely prohibit any further Muslim immigration, and to put aside any notions that it can police force the despotic and ungovernable Muslim world, with such chaotic and doomed interventions as we have seen in the Gulf Wars, Somalia, the aid against Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Lebanon and the Iranian hostage rescue. If this insanity continues, I see a mushroom cloud on America's horizon.

European civilization could well be crippled by the growth of Islam within - like a terminal case of cancer. American civilization (an offshoot of the European) may also be crippled by its blind militarism and naive belief in its own global power. I hope not - future Western civilization needs the USA too much.