Taqiyya from American professors

Of course, Islamic spokesmen don't have to take the trouble to deny uncomfortable elements of Islam before non-Muslim audiences when non-Muslim professorial "experts" are so willing to do it for them. "Islam and Peace," from the SunStar, with thanks to the Informed Christian:

But does Islam really espouse terror and oppression of women, among other evils?

Foremost American academicians on Islamic studies in the country that recent history has forced its people to fear Muslims strongly say no.

But, the problem about how Islam is generally perceived by the uncomprehending is something brought about by a complicated mix of history, culture, and norms all brought forward as Islam.

"If you travel in the Islamic world, to any of the Arab world or even Saudi Arabia or the Gulf, you know it will be different if you've been to Jakarta, Indonesia, basically because in religion is an enormously rich culture because of the influence that came before Islam," Peter Awn, professor of Islamic religion and comparative religion and Dean of General Studies in the Columbia University in New York City, said in an interview last month in his university. Dr. Awn is among the most popular resource person on Islam in New York City having received his PhD in Islamic religion and comparative religion from Harvard University.

"So it is important not to reduce any one religion to a series of intellectual abstraction or worse to think that if you meet one Muslim, you know them all," Dr. Awn said. "What makes the community so rich is not simply a shared religious vision and a celebration of an extraordinary culture that goes back thousands of years but also the real diversity and the model uniqueness that you find in the very cultural religion where you find Islam."

Going into the specifics, Akbar Ahmed Ibn Khaldan, author of several books on Islam and chair of Islamic Studies in the American University in Washington DC, pointed out that women in fact play a very important role in Islam before.

"Who is the first convert to Islam? It is Hadidja. The first person who became a Muslim is not a man, it is Hadidja. The descent of the prophet, which is the most important lineage in Islam, comes from Fatima, who didn't have a son," he said. He went on to name several other women who were in the forefront when Islam was still in its early years.

That women Muslims are being disregarded and in some countries enslaved by men today is but the making of the men themselves and not the teachings of the prophet Mohammed, he said.

In the last 200 to 300 years, however, as countries were colonized, societies changed and politics continued to churn turbulently, "Muslim men have forgotten how important the role of women is in Islam," he said.

At the bottom of all these, he said, is not Islam but tribal customs.

Is that so? So I suppose these elements of the Qur'an are the making of men and not of the prophet Muhammad? These are all tribal customs?

1. The Qur’an likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will” (2:223);

2. It declares that a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man: “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” (2:282);

3. It allows men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls also: “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” (4:3);

4. It rules that a son’s inheritance should be twice the size of that of a daughter: “Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” (4:11);

5. It tells husbands to beat their disobedient wives: “Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them” (4:34).

Both Ahmed and Awn pointed out that the Qur'an is so complex such that no one can ever claim he has mastered it.

This is a common dodge. But "beat her" is not really all that complex or hard to understand. This is just an argument designed to snare the unwary and bamboozle them into thinking that there is some secret decoder ring that will turn "beat her" into "give her a hug."

"You see contained in the verses, 'fight the Jews and the Christians'," Ahmed said. "Many Christians will pick that up and say you see, Islam is a religion of extremism. They will not see the next line that says, but make peace with them because God prefers peace."

Well, of course, Ahmed. Islam doesn't teach warfare without end or undifferentiated mayhem. It teaches warfare until victory. Then after that one makes peace with the Christians as conquered people, who do not by any stretch of the imagination enjoy the same rights as Muslims do under Islamic law.

Which brings the discussion to extremism and one of its major causes: marginalization.

"The issue for me is when you marginalize a minority community, one way in which that community expresses its resentment and rebellion is to return to arch conservative religion as a mobilizing ideology," Dr. Awn said.

And that in itself is a tacit admission that the Islamic religion actually does teach these things -- that they are there to "return to" when Muslims choose to do so, whether because of "marginalization" or whatever else.

"I don't think people are anymore pious than they were 50 years ago, that's a lot of baloney. What I do think is people have discovered religious ideology is an enormously effective political tool to mobilize people to do immensely crazy turns and that's very dangerous," he said.

Dr. Awn, multiculturalist though he undoubtedly is, has not succeeded in extricating himself from the deeply ingrained assumptions of Western culture -- as evidenced by his opposition of "political" to "religious." In Islam, as he should know, there is no distinction between the political and religious. To see one is to impose Western categories, the way the "Orientalists" are alleged to do, upon the Islamic world.

But since Islam has from its inception been inherently political, his distinction here is essentially meaningless. Why do these ideologues want to "mobilize people to do immensely crazy turns" in the first place? Why, because they consider it an imperative of their religion. Osama and Co. want to impose Sharia because they believe it is the law of God. Until the non-Muslim world comes to grips with the implications of that, it won't be framing the conflict properly, and will be more vulnerable than it needs to be.

In essence, these men are pointing out what has been repeatedly pointed out by peace advocates and development planners in the Philippines: The conflict is not caused by religion, but by poverty and all its allied effects.

Why then are jihad terrorists more educated and affluent than others?

Economic marginalization complicated by cultural marginalization -- manifested by veiled intolerance of the Muslims -- spells unending troubles and a persistent call to separate from which that oppresses them, a situation that remains in Mindanao.

Ah. "Veiled intolerance of Muslims" causes jihad. In other words, non-Muslims cause jihad. How do they do this? Is this not tantamount to saying that jihad arises when Muslims perceive obstacles in the way of the spread of Islam -- a traditional impetus to offensive jihad?

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"I can believe six impossible things before breakfast" the White Queen tells Alice. Well, Robert, I've been scrolling down this morning, and this idea, that "non-Muslims" cause the Jihad, by their Bad Attitude (IWA -- Infidels With Attitude), and all that other stuff, and so far I have been asked to believe four impossible things. Well, there's still a few more threads to look at.

And if I promise to try to believe all six of those impossible things -- then can I have a cup of coffee?

Excellent article as usual, Mr. Spencer.

I could say that with every one but I try to save it for special occasions so that you don't puff up. :-)

CGW

Advice from Academia: 'Remember, support the palestinians and other freedom fighters. And the Democrats!'

Advice for Academia: Eschew obfuscation.

Interesting indeed as always.

And as evident in the difference of socities qouted below:

a familiar parable.... In hell, an abundance of good food was available but people were starving and miserable because they were being forced to eat with five-foot-long forks. They couldn’t get the food to their mouths. In heaven, the scene was much the same, except for the fact that the diners were using their five-foot-long forks to reach out and feed each other....

Selfish bastards

Receiving a PhD in Islamic studies and comparative religious studies must not be very difficult to do at Harvard if Dr. Awn is an accurate indicator of the quality of Harvard's IRCR departmental alumni.

What "pure" Islam teaches seems to me a purely academic point. I don't care if Muslims believe that the Great Pumpkin passes out gifts to children every Halloween. What I care about is what they DO, and as long as a significant portion of them are out to kill "infidels" and the vast majority of the remainder make excuses for the killers, then they are the enemy.

Its the Matrix, its Alice in Wonderland,George Orwell and Brave New World all rolled into one.

Its the World 2005.
Way,waaaay too small and insane for me.

kentim,

the world seems to me to be like these books,
let's find some other ones to live by,
or at least give it a try,
this nihilism is suicide.

Luckily there are many who think
as we do. There is strength in numbers,
that is our long suit, once we know it,
we're victims of jihad
or about to become,
what do we do about it?
how do we overcome weakness
and become strong?
These are the questions
we must answer very soon.

Poetess-

Let me try one: (with apologies to Blake)

Professor, professor waxing dull,
All your agruments are null,
To the ones who've read 'The Book'
And are not prepared to cook

In the kettles of their hate
Or fall prey to snares of hate.
Keep your piffle, fluff and crap.
We're informed, while your a sap.

Professor, professor, waxing dull,
Empty heart and empty skull.
All the Prophet had to say
Was: "Bow! Or lose your head today."

P.S. erratum:

Lines 5 -6 should read:

"In the kettles of their hate
Or fall prey to snares this late."

From the Department of Redundancy Department.

When a Moslem is cornered they same the dumbest things.

Both Ahmed and Awn pointed out that the Qur'an is so complex such that no one can ever claim he has mastered it.

Well the Qur’an claims that it is clear and easy to understand!

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/pourhassan1.htm

"These are verses from the clear book (12:1)"
There are more than 35 similar verses.

"We have made the Koran easy for learning; yet will anyone learn from it?"(54:17)
There are more than 35 similar verses.

Hugh:

Thanks for your post. You may have inadvertently clued us in on the Muslim convert who has been posting on JW.org recently under the pseudonym "whitequeen" and where she is coming from when she rationalizes her embrace of Islam by virtue of its rapid growth, blames the US for the deaths attributed to the UN sanctions on Iraq, etc.

good show, profitsbeard,