Tehran’s Killing Fields

What unspeakable barbarism...! Shame on Iran!

This seems surreal. Are we the only people on Earth who seem to notice or care? Where're the great shining-armoured knights loudly espousing human/minority/women's/gay rights etc when such obscene barbarism rules unfortunate lands?

The media flogging to death abu ghraib and gitmo abuses is miraculuously missing from action in places where their power could really matter. For instance, a coupla days back this site reported that the publishing of a report by NYT caused some action (even if token) to be taken against JMJB thugs in Bangladesh.

Test 1
This article clearly highlights one of many important problems facing humankind today. Be certain though we here in the West have many such horrific mutilations and corruptions occurring in our own yards. Maybe we should introspect occasionally before condemning others though!!!

OT

From the BBC News World Edition, Jan 26, 2005:

A Kuwaiti man has reportedly confessed to killing his 14-year-old daughter because he believed she was having sex.

Adnan Enezi - an employee in the Islamic Affairs ministry - had just returned from the pilgrimage to Mecca.

He allegedly bound and blindfolded his daughter, Haifa, knelt her down in front of her two brothers and sister and then cut her throat.

Forensic tests showed Haifa was still a virgin, police sources said. Mr Enezi is being questioned about the case.

Thousands of women are killed by relatives each year in the Middle East and Asia in so-called honour crimes - usually over suspected adultery, pre-marital sex or after having been raped, or marrying without family consent.

The suspect - who is also undergoing mental health tests - was separated from his wife, and has been imprisoned in Saudi Arabia for 18 months for his extremist activities, the al-Rai al-Am newspaper reported.

The daily said that after cutting Haifa's throat the first time, he swapped the knife for one with a sharper blade as she bled and screamed in front of her siblings.

Al-Qabas daily said the brothers and sister fled from the house after the murder, while their uncle took their sister to a hospital, but she had already died.

Greg

That story is up today at Dhimmi Watch.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004816.php

And another.
Its the new troll on the block again with a second, but not quite as good example of Tu-quoque

Actually this is an earlier post, but still an inferior example.
See Hugh at http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004628.php

Are you referring to me Granny as a troll?

First off, Tu-Quoque or 2Q or whatever as it implies is not something my post deals with. The truth hurts, but it should still be told. These articles are quite impressive and enlightening, its these posters that lack any credibility. Granny if you want to be one-sided and one-dimensional, admonishing the evils of only half the world thats your choice, just DON'T CALL ME A TROLL!!!
Thank you

P.S I wouldn't even have known what 2Q was prior to reading this site!

Student Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy in Iran (SMCCDI) photo gallery (warning: graphic and disturbing imagery):

http://www.daneshjoo.org/article/publish/cat_photogallery.shtml

knowalot:

Your non de plume, prose style and observation:

"Be certain though we here in the West have many such horrific mutilations and corruptions occurring in our own yards. Maybe we should introspect occasionally before condemning others though!!!"

without actually citing an example of western governments and courts acting in parallel suggest that you are a troll.

knowalot:

Are you serious in comparing the 21st century west to islamic theocracies with any degree of moral or amoral equivalence? Sure, we've had our witch-burnings and inquisitions in the past but this is the post WWII west, my friend.

If you find that the state sanctioned, legalized stonings, amputations and mutilations are comparable with any (and I mean ANY) state sanctioned, legalized actions in western societies, do let me know!

MR or Mrs or Miss Waterdragon, I need not sit here and spout on and on about the atrocities that occur frequently (daily/hourly/etc..) in our own "civilized" society. Our governments,in fact, ALL governments in the world, have made too numerous inhumane policies and judgements for any of us to condone any of them. Abortion is a genocide of millions yet the silence of the supposed "civilized" resonates. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!

Knowalot~ your last post, at least, gives us an idea of what you are about. You are on Our side according to that. All these guys are asking is a bit more precise argument, k?

knowalot, some of us here agree with you about abortion, but this site is about jihad. Are you anti-jihad or are you trying to divert the argument to our sins in order to excuse islam's many sins?

I love life

Comrade Knowalot,

If you refer to this society as "civilized" in seer quotes, why don't you go live in the woods? There are no abortions in the animal kingdom.

If you compare Western governments to tyrannies, why don't you spend your holiday in North Korea?

In other words, you act like an ignorant teenager and expect people to take you seriously. Where I come from, people like you get kicked in the groin and learn to behave very quickly. But, unfortunately for you, we do live in a civilized society, so you can continue to peacefully suck on your priest's slogans, and remain ignorant of what's going on in the world.

God bless.

Carolyn2,
That was very well put.
So, Mr, Mrs or Miss Knowabitmorenow
are you anti jihad or what?

I can't get the story about the man killing his daughter after returning from his pilgrimage to Mecca out of my mind.

Imagine the amount of fear of divine punishment that man must have been under to kill his own daughter! The man was insane and he was put in that state by Islam!!! The bloody god Allah has to be satisfied with human sacrifice!!

Islam isn't a religion, it's a mental disease! It inspires acts of incredible evil! It has to be a false religion and a false god! Everywhere it goes it brings death, fear, and slavery. Humankind has suffered under its influence too long. Before this is all over, I firmly believe that Mecca will be reduced to ash and Islam will be recognized for the evil ideology that it is just as Nazism is today.

f.g.

knowalot:

It appears you are a legend in your own mind.

"Abortion is a genocide of millions yet the silence of the supposed "civilized" resonates. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!"

Abortion may be fairly described as many ugly things, but I recommend you consult a dictionary before you term it "genocide".

I guess thats why turned out like u did eh Ivan?
I guess u don't have to worry about such dilemmas after having been kicked in the groin so much without learning. U truly r a dumass!

Why are you wasting my time responding to knowalot?

What is this thread about? Is it a space for knowalot to let us know how much he knows? Do I care? Do you care? Does it matter? Obivously this trroll doesn't read Hugh's posts, nor does he have the smarts to google "Jihadwatch Hugh Tu Quoque" to find out even more than he already does, which, given that he "knows a lot" might mean that he doesn't feel any need to know more. So dump this troll and go back to the thread as it is.

Please stop wasting my time.

Ivan Lenin
why don't you go live in the woods? There are no abortions in the animal kingdom.
Very true,animals do not practice abortion,they either leave their unwanted young to die,or eat them.
So Komrade Lenin are you suggesting that eating unwanted children is better than abortion.

knowalot
You can put this in your pipe
Islam/abortion
1) Abortion could be allowed for a lady's health sake, and that too when properly suggested by some responsible specialist/physician.
(2) Under normal health conditions, and particularly when the foetus is developed enough (that specialists consider it a live body), abortion amounts to deliberate killing and therefore, not allowed.
(3) Abortion or even prevention of conception for fear of economic hardships, is the negation of the basic article of Islamic faith that God is sole Provider and Sustainer of every living soul. That being the reason, the act will be un-Islamic.
(4) Seeking abortion for no "good" reason at all, and saying that the "mother" or "father" just does not want that baby - is inhuman and cruel thinking. No sane person would allow that.
(5) If even the conception is the result of extra-marital union or forced rape, abortion is not allowed, because the (innocent) baby to be, has the right to life, that can not be denied. The biological parents - both or either one - or else the society/state is responsible to take care of such "un-wanted" or illegal births.

A rape victim can get stoned to death,but not before the child is born.

knowalot
If you are a male,I think it would be a good idea to shut your mouth.If you are a female,would you be so happy to be pregant for nine months,give birth to a child that was forced upon you,and the be stoned to death

Why is a story on stoning women in Islamic areas now a private discussion on abortion? If you really have more interest in abortion than in stoning women to death, go somewhere else to discuss it. Otherwise, reread the story, look at www.stopstoning@yahoo.com and try to make some comments refering to how we can do something to support those people who face death for being raped. Abortion is not the issue here. Get off it.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.

Is stoning only for women? Do men rate a better death?

Good question, Carolyn2. We should find out from someone who knows a lot. I don't know at all. And if it is the case that only woem are stoned to death in Islam, why would it be so? Why do some women get stoned to death while others hang from cranes? Why do some women get dragged into public arenas to be shot in the head while others have their throats cut? Never mind that this goes on at all, the question is what kind of rationale is there from the Moslem point of view for different kinds of savagery? If we know a lot about that we have some good ammunition of our own to shoot back at these monsters. I don't know a lot. I'd like to find out. If you know a lot, or even a little bit, please feel free to inform me. Inform all of us who read here. Give us some facts.

With the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, one has to reflect on the decadence and incredible barbarism defining the Nazis and recognise the herculean task of trying to tame and ultimately re-educate a population which is just as fanatical in its ideological mind-set and aims but dispersed around the world and perhaps 30x larger than the number of adherents to Nazism at its peak.

Clearly, George Bush is hoping that the introduction of democracy into the Middle East will pave the way for a "competition of ideas" and with it, a gradual and peaceful reformation of Islam from within. In view of the horrific alternatives, it is perhaps, worth a shot but we need to simultaneously slow the insidious growth of Islam in the West -- via Dawa, demographic jihad, Saudi-funded institutions, the usurping of our schools, media, politicians -- in order to have a chance to win this contest.

First, demographic jihad refers to the populating of non-Islamic states with Muslims. How does this occur? If 1 man and 1 woman have 4 kids and all are Islamic then our 1 man plus 1 wife (Westerners) plus 0 to 1 kid will soon be outnumbered. We will only have ourselves to blame when this practice of stoning women becomes the norm here too. Abortion is an evil, jihad is an evil, they co-incide and so do all other evils until we as humans change our ways, and learn to live properly. The anger at my post is similar to the anger expressed to this sites' articles (which are very informative/ the articles not the posts)and is just another affirmation of evil and so Evil only begets more evil, so keep it up and we'll all be forced to be barbarians sooner than we think!

Moral relativism is evil, as well.

Abortion is an evil, jihad is an evil, they co-incide.

Exactly how do jihadism and abortion coincide?

I get the impression we're dealing more in deflection and displacement than anything else here.

If one accepts evil into their personal life, then one will accept evil in their public lives. If you have 10 evil people and 1 good person then the 10s ways will dominate. If u have 3.5 billion evil and 1 billion good the same will happen. Its up to all good people to eliminate ALL evil, until this is done, just accept these horrors as part of everyday life OR pray for the conversion of evildoers of all faiths.

I found a link at http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/

"It is atypical only in that the victims on this particular day were men. Most often women are stoned to death, usually for prostitution. If they are mothers, their children are often required by law to attend the atrocity, to watch them "repent" for their sins."

So, I guess stoning is an equal opportunity execution.

Jihadism is not an evil in Islam, knowlalot. Is it?

Ok, time to stop feeding the Troll, as Sonofwalker has said. This is what this guy is doing:

5. Zeno of Elea (c. 490 B.C.)

Zeno, a disciple of Parmesides, took his master's ideas one step further by maintaining that the concept of change itself is impossible. Zeno is well known for his famous paradoxes, which he believed demonstrated that motion cannot occur.

One of these paradoxes holds that in order for an object to move from one place to another, it must first move half the distance involved. But to move this half distance, it must move half of the half, and so on infinitely. Since it takes at least some amount of time to move any distance, to move an infinite number of distances requires an infinite number of time intervals. No movement, therefore is possible at all.

The point of Zeno's paradoxes was to show that motion, and therefore any sort of change, is ultimately impossible.
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So let's get back on subject, yes? Attempting to get this guy on track simply fulfills what he is up to.

Thanks Carolyn2. That's a good start. maybe we can ignore the self-indulgent goof above who seems determined to piss me off and waste everyone's time and energy here.

I found www.stopstoningnow@yahoo.com some time ago and it's interesting and informative. Kwnow it all is a dick-head who I'd love to stone myself. Instead, I'm going to ignore the peice of sh*t and carry on as if I'd scraped him off my shoe at the last corner.

Carolyn-
I noted this at your linked site:

"Stoning to death is a pre-Islamic practice condemned by the Islamic religeon."

This begs the question, why is it that only countries practicing shari'a employ this form of execution today?

BTW the link above claims that stoning is unislamic. See the link below-

htt://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/stoning.htm

Is this the site you're referring to, Son of Walker?

http://www.stopstoningnow.com/

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/stoning.htm

sonofabi atch you would make a good Taliban, You're both ignorant and rude!

Check this out:

http://www.stopstoningnow.com/

"Wednesday Dec 22, 2004

Iran’s Islamic Republic caves in to international pressure:

Stoning of Hajieh Esmailvand suspended

The stoning sentence against Haijeh Esmailvand, a young woman condemned to death in Iran for extramarital sex, has been suspended."

I thought Iran ended this 2 years ago?!

Just like they stopped executing minors?
*sarcasm OFF*

From Carolyn's link:

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 79:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar:

"...So the Prophet ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death..."

Forbidden by Islam, eh?

From the Faith Freedom article-

Volume8, Book82, Number803
narrated Ash-Sha'bi

"from 'Ali when the latter stoned a lady to death on a Friday. 'Ali said "I have stoned her according to the traditions of Allah's apostle."

How can they say it is un-islamic? Unless they claim that the hadith is not to be believed, i don't see how they can claim that tired b.s.

Somewhere here on Dhimmiwatch, but I cannot find the link I'm looking for, I definitely read that the procedure for stoning men and women was slightly different. If the lapidee can get out of the circle the execution should be called off. If I remember this correctly men are buried up to the waist. Women are wrapped in their funeral shroud first then buried up to the neck. Which makes any chance of escape harder.
Except for the woman I read about here today who managed to crawl out of her pit, but was chased by militia, and shot.

Somewhere here on Dhimmiwatch, but I cannot find the link I'm looking for, I definitely read that the procedure for stoning men and women was slightly different. If the lapidee can get out of the circle the execution should be called off. If I remember this correctly men are buried up to the waist. Women are wrapped in their funeral shroud first then buried up to the neck. Which makes any chance of escape harder.

Sorry about the two posts. I suddenly realised that poor woman was the very story we were discussing and I thought I had stopped the first draft. It's getting late here.

Judging by knowalot's obsession with my genitalia, it's neither male nor female. It's just an attention-hungry baby-sucker. Just a very lonely, confused creature that nobody needs.

Feeding trolls can be fun, although not as much fun as meeting their type in person, which is what we did with communistsforkerry on the Union Sq, where you can meet all kinds of communists, socialists and jihad apologists. Obviously it was crazy, but it was very entertaining, and educational.

Trolls always act anonymously, partly because they don't have the balls to confront anybody, and partly because they don't have the brains to have a real discussion. But, unless they are as desperate as this one, they can be fun to play around with. However, in this case, the rude imbecile who thinks it knows a whole lot, serves a useful example.

I linked to the article on my blog and got some encouraging feedback. Banafsheh does a great job showing what it's like to live in a country like Iran, where absolutely anything can be done to you. There are many brats in the West, like our little troll here, who have lived all their warm and fuzzy lives, with their liberties protected by the law, and by the values that people share. Because these "people" have no clue what it's like to live without that, they equate Bush to Hitler, and an abortion to a stoning of a living person, and evangelical Christians to Islamists.

They don't value their freedoms and rights, because they take them for granted: they've never been denied their rights. That's why this country is in danger, and that's why we need to learn the kind of things that Banafsheh talks about in her article. Then more people will realize that those who suffer from despotism need our help - if not for their sake, then at least for our own.

Just a Reminder??

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/mhelprin/?id=95001104
WRITTEN ON WATER

We Beat Hitler.
We Can Vanquish
This Foe Too.
BY MARK HELPRIN
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:00 a.m. EDT
America, it is said, is slow to awaken, and indeed it is, but once America stirs, its resolution can be matchless and its ferocity a stunning surprise.
The enemy we face today, though barbaric and ingenious, is hardly comparable to the masters of the Third Reich, whose doubts about our ability to persevere we chose to dissuade in a Berlin that we had reduced to rubble. Nor is he comparable to the commanders of the Japanese Empire, whose doubts about our ability to persevere we chose to dissuade in a Tokyo we had reduced to rubble. Nor to the Soviet Empire that we faced down patiently over half a century, nor to the great British Empire from which we broke free in a long and taxing struggle that affords a better picture of our kith and kin than any the world may have today of who we are and of what we are capable.
And today's enemy, though he is not morally developed enough to comprehend the difference between civilians and combatants, is neither faceless nor without a place in which we can address him. If he is Osama bin Laden, he lives in Afghanistan, and his hosts, the Taliban, bear responsibility for sheltering him; if he is Saddam Hussein, he lives in Baghdad; if he is Yasser Arafat, he lives in Gaza; and so on. Our problem is not his anonymity but that we have refused the precise warnings, delivered over more than a decade, of those who understood the nature of what was coming--and of what is yet to come, which will undoubtedly be worse.

The first salvos of any war are seldom the most destructive. Consider that in this recent outrage the damage was done by the combined explosive power of three crashed civilian airliners. As the initial shock wears off it will be obvious that this was a demonstration shot intended to extract political concessions and surrender, a call to fix our attention on the prospect of a nuclear detonation or a chemical or biological attack, both of which would exceed what happened yesterday by several orders of magnitude.
It will get worse, but appeasement will make it no better. That we have promised retaliation for decades and then always drawn back, hoping that we could get through if we simply did not provoke the enemy, is appeasement, and it must be quite clear by now even to those who perpetually appease that appeasement simply does not work. Therefore, what must be done? Above all, we must make no promise of retaliation that is not honored; in this we have erred too many times. It is a bipartisan failing and it should never be repeated.

Let this spectacular act of terrorism be the decisive repudiation of the mistaken assumptions that conventional warfare is a thing of the past, that there is a safe window in which we can cut force structure while investing in the revolution in military affairs, that bases and infrastructure abroad have become unnecessary, that the day of the infantryman is dead, and, most importantly, that slighting military expenditure and preparedness is anything but an invitation to death and defeat.
Short of a major rebuilding, we cannot now inflict upon Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden the great and instantaneous shock with which they should be afflicted. That requires not surgical strikes by aircraft based in the United States, but expeditionary forces with extravagant basing and equipment. It requires not 10 aircraft carrier battle groups but, to do it right and when and where needed, 20. It requires not only all the infantry divisions, transport, and air wings that we have needlessly given up in the last decade, but many more. It requires special operations forces not of 35,000, but of 100,000.
For the challenge is asymmetrical. Terrorist camps must be raided and destroyed, and their reconstitution continually repressed. Intelligence gathering of all types must be greatly augmented, for by its nature it can never be sufficient to the task, so we must build it and spend upon it until it hurts. The nuclear weapons programs, depots, and infrastructure of what Madeleine Albright so delicately used to call "states of concern" must, in a most un-Albrightian phrase, be destroyed. As they are scattered around the globe, it cannot be easy. Security and civil defense at home and at American facilities overseas must be strengthened to the point where we are able to fight with due diligence in this war that has been brought to us now so vividly by an alien civilization that seeks our destruction.

The course of such a war will bring us greater suffering than it has brought to date, and if we are to fight it as we must we will have less in material things. But if, as we have so many times before, we rise to the occasion, we will not enjoy merely the illusions of safety, victory, and honor, but those things themselves. In our history it is clear that never have they come cheap and often they have come late, but always, in the end, they come in flood, and always in the end, the decision is ours.
Mr. Helprin is a novelist, a contributing editor of The Wall Street Journal

Only now do most Americans and Europeans learn who we are at war with??

Even the Russians today like in WW2??
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/1/C3B18FB7-4E3C-43CB-836B-E7C9B988C4DE.html
Thursday, 27 January 2005

Forces Storm Complex In Russian Republic

27 January 2005 -- Russian special forces fired grenades into an apartment complex in the capital of the southern Russian republic of Kabardino-Balkaria then stormed the building, reportedly killing five of the armed men who had been surrounded there since 25 January.

"Five or six" bodies were found after hundreds of Russian troops entered the building in the city of Nalchik, ITAR-TASS reported.

Troops were reported to be combing the building for any more fighters, or the two women who were with them during the three-day siege. Smoke from a fire that broke out on the fourth floor of the building was complicating the task of searching the building

The men were suspected Chechen separatists who were believed to be part of a group that raided Kabardino-Balkaria's antidrug agency in December and stole a large cache of weapons.

There was no word on their fate of the two women.

A statement on a Chechen militant website said the men were from the Yarmuk group of Islamic militants fighting in Chechnya.

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

Hey Ivan, I really enjoy Communists For Kerry. You have a great sense of humor, glad you never got clobbered by raving moonbats.

Posted by: Greg at January 27, 2005 10:15 AM

Seams every mulsums have moved to we hear of honnor killings??
Seams Europe has had some and Canada as well??

This is after they have lived in the west for year have heard of the west being real dimmis on the Mater and now in Canada they are about to give some areas self rule so they can have shria law ??

Can not let this happen??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Victory[FREEDOM] to Defeat ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen

Catherine

Thanks for posting that brilliant article penned by Mark Helprin. You've got me googling for other pieces (including this one from Monday's WSJ http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/mhelprin/?id=110006198) and spending money on Amazon for his books.
:~)

Here's a site for you, knowalot... www.michaelmoore.com or www.ilovedancinginflowerswhilewearingmy blinderswithmyheadinthesand.com

You've wasted a lot of bandwith and a lot of people's time with your worthless drivel. Go away. Thank you.

ivan, like ur name suggests, u clearly are a moron so u get no more than this one thought.

Wow, Catherine... glad I didn't "speed scroll" through that last post. It was well worth reading.

Just trying to do my part??

Go over to the TX terrorist thread and read M.M peace it will really fire you up!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the Course to Defeat ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen

so now I know that this site is mainly contrived with "abortion rights advocates" or more truthfully called baby-murdering sympathizers, I can see that the hate espoused here is well-ingrained in your mentalities and that no matter what happens elsewhere in the world you will just point your "holier-than-thou" fingers without looking in the mirror at your own hypocrisy.
Just a word from the Troll, lol haha

I welcome informed dissent and intelligent disagreements. Most of the important things I know I learned from other people putting up a better idea than the one I held. That's why I value Socrates, a man who didn't know a lot. Socrates didn't seem to know much of anything at all. His evil shadow, Plato, on the other hand, though he knew a lot. That's one reason I like my equally evil and distant relative William Walker, a man I also learn a great deal form. Walker Sr. used to lose his temper and have people executed for whatever it was that pissed him off.

I like to strike a reasonable balance. I don't do anything harmful to people for personal reasons, meaning for reasons stemming from my personal animosity toward them, nor do I do violence to others for reasons that are personal to me.

I might have a violent temper, and I might perhaps do unpleasant things on ocassion, but I don't do things to goofs like dick-head because I have to live with myself afterward, and really, it doesn't improve anything to have crushed his hands with a brick. Using violence requires discipline and practice. It calls also for some restraint. Our Moslem cousins have no restraint, which is why they murder children for being raped, for example.
When people are incapable of restraint, and when they are uncontrollably violent, they need be restrained by others. In the case of Islam as an imperialist ideology with nations under arms, it requires nations to restrain them. It's not a matter of personal disgust and anger such as I feel toward the pos above, it's a matter of right use of force by legitimate authority. It's refered to as "Just War." Yes, I'd like to smash the troll in the face with a metal pipe because head wounds are very dramatic. No, I wouldn't even if I could simply because it's immoral. But we do as a people have the right to smash the governments of Islamic nations and the right to kill their people, even by smashing them in the face with stones if need be.

My distant and highly unpleasant relative William had no legitimate authority to overthrow nations. The Iranian people, those who live in terror of the illegitimate government of the religious establishment in Iran, have not only a right to overthrow the government that tyranizes but they have indeed the moral obligation to ovedrthrow that government and to kill those who resist and then in the aftermath to kill those who were supporters and who would again be supporters of that government. I'm arguing here that over-throwing the Iranian mullahs is not enough: the nation must be purged in the aftermath of the mullahs' supporters. That is legitimate violence.

Evidence of wrong doing by Iranian mullahs? Exhibit One: Any child executed for "crimes against chastity."

Is it right to smash an Iranian cleric in the head with a rock? It is within the nation of Iran where there is no recourse to legitimacy in law. Killing an Iranian cleric outside Iran, in a nation where there is recourse to legitimate legal authority, is murder. Yes, it might feel good for a day or two but the fact is that it's murder. We do not have the legitimate right to kill people just because they're arse-h*les. We do have a duty to kill those who are illegitimate authorities enslaving and killing thier own populations. The Treaty of Westphalia doesn't cover illegitimate states murdering their own citizens.

Very few of us seem to be in Iran today. Few of us are in a positon to kill Iranian mullahs. We would be within the scope of legitimacy if we were to kill mullahs in Iran. We are not within tht scope here in the West in nations under rule of legitimate law and governance.

Those who are in Iran today will shortly have to decide whether they will over-throw the Iranian government themselves and then go on to purge their land of reactionaries and counter-revolutionaries or whether the West will do it for them, killing at random and ineffectively that segment of the Iranian population that needs to be destroyed for the nation to move beyond Islam. If it becomes a matter of rage and murder then we will have lost the morality of our actions. We'd become, at best, like William Walker, a man driven by personality rather than morality. But something has to happen--soon. We cannot sit forever while children are stoned to death and hanged and whipped, and while thsoe same people would send their folowers to the West to do the same here.

It'll take years in the West for people to become educated to the threat, and it'll take longer still for the necessary level of frustration to build before the West realizes its strength in battle. We'll have to witness a number of murders of the innocents before we reach a state of intolerable rage that propells us to action as a world-wide movement. When we do move, we must move as a legitimate force. Our task as readers and writers here at JW is to focus our energies and educate ourselves and others for the coming struggle against Islam.

When idiots like the one above waste my time with their maladjusted teenage crap I see real people dying at the same time I'm trying along with most others here to do something to stop that. Yes, I'd like to smash his arms with a 2X4, but I have to discipline myself, knowing that I can't find him, and that if i could I'd be acting outside the legitimate laws of the nations for personal reasons that don't matter at all. I have to focus on those I can save and live with the knowledge that i can't save everyone. I can't be wasting time on fools.

This covers a lot of ground, I think, when I ssuggest that we have a right to extra-parliamentary opposition in nations under the rule of illegitimate governance. To put it plainly: We havce the right and duty to kill fascists in fascist lands. That's something we should focus on and work toward. I think it likely that few of us will ever have the chance to venture into enemy lands to kill people. At best, we might have the chance to support, for example, progressive Iranians who will risk their lives to over-throw their governors. Outside our homelands we have the right to support those people. It's nothing personal. I don't know any teenage iranian girls, and i can't claim any deep personal feeling when I see pictures of them hanging from cranes or being stoned to death by mobs. I do feel a deep moral obligation to stop it on principle, and if that means supporting those who can and will resort to killing mullahs and their supporters, I feel that I've done a good and moral thing. It is outside the law to support killing, but it is also a moral imperative to do so when the state is illegitimate. Islam is illegitiamte, like it or not. To kill Islamic rulers is legitimate inside islamic lands where we do not have legal recourse to prosecute them. We act as oppostion outside the bounds of parliament.

I don't have any right to kick the troll in the groin just because he deserves it. Nor do I have any right to stomp on his face once I've beaten him to the ground. The same is true of all of us who would like to do such things to the person or persons who murdered the Armanius family in Jersey City. It is a matter for our legitimate authorities to deal with those who commited crimes in our states. We have a right to track them down in Islamic notions and kill them there if thier states refuse to hand them over to legal states for prosecution under legitimate law. We cannot kill them on the streets of New Jersey.

What can we do in the face of Islamic aggression against us? We can act as law-abiding citizens in conflict with our governments, i.e. as those who refuse to stay silent in the face of the murder of our fellow citizens. We can and morally must protest against the appeasement of Islam in our nations. We can and we must act in our capacity as citizens to counter the threat of islam in the West. We can do that by writing letters at jihadwatch that inform and educate our fellow citizens. We can also piss away other people's time and energy by posting self-indulgent crap that deserves a boot in the teeth. we're better to stay focused on the main issue: informing our fellows of the threat we face so we are united in our oppostion and resolved to win when the pressure to act is inescapable. We can piss away our time on goofs, or we can stay focused to fight the Moslems effectively.

My offering, disputable as it might well be, is that we should learn not only about islam and how to defeat it but that we should, like my great and distant ancestor William Walker, prepare ourselves for world conquest and dominztion of the entire world beginning with the Middle East. I argue that we should combine our forces and over-throw all Mosslem nations and rule by force till the world is naturally as American as is the Southern United States in the aftermath of the Civil War.

First we would do well tomove on to practical matters such as teaching each other and our neighbors about islam and how to defeat it. Maybe in the chaos of the real fight the scum bag troll will find himself face-to-face with someone who won't put up with his bullshit. But there I'm off topic, and I appologize. Back to reality:

Educate your neighbors. Teach them about islam and the threat it means to all of us and to Moslems themselves. That is legitimate and valuable. There is nothing we can do for the deaqd, and we will witness many more over the years that this will last. In the meantime we can do small things within the law such as organizing vigils at churches for the Coptic family murdered in Jersey City. So far it looks like two Christians and one athgeist have heeded the call. One would have hoped for a better roll-call, but then again, some of us are too busy wasting people's time and energies with their pet peeves and their personality flaws and need for attention.

I'd love to pound the crap out that troll but i'm preparing for a vigil on Sunday at the Coptic Church in this city.

For those who have the stomach here is a video of a stoning in Iran. The first couple of minutes is a man being flogged in front of the Mullah, who is sitting in front of the podium he is tied to, then comes two people wrapped in shrouds, buried in the sand and stoned.

The only thing worse I've seen are the gruesome beheading videos on Ogrish. com

Stoning in Iran

I am loathe to use profanity but the only sentiment I can express about Muslims is ignorant, savage, backwards, mindless,barbarians.

Knowalot:

You sound much like a party on another forum.

A single minded obsession with one subject.

In fact there are a lot of single minded obsessions, it just depends on the obsession, yours seems to be abortion, your crusade your holy cause.

Strangely in that regard you have more in common with most of the people here than I do.. I am defintely pro choice and a secularist (most here aren't) and a civil libertarian - or is that libertine, except when it comes to Islam, and the reason for that exception is that I have studied Muhammad, Islam,Qur'an, the sunnah and a shelf full of books on the mid east and Arabs and unlike others of my ilk (liberals) I truly understand how illiberal, stifling, regressive, backwards, anti intellectual, anti liberty and intolerant Islam is.

Even more so than the worst of Christian fundamentalism,even worse than catholicism, and the only parallel I can find in Christianity is Theonomy or Dominion Theology, but those are not the issue of this forum.. it is named Dhimmi Watch, and thus I have to suspend my opinions and distaste for the righteous and intolerant christians and "rightists" in a united effort against an even bigger threat to all that I hold dear, my secular liberal democratic republican life style. from the most frightening and intolerant of all ideologies, and one that is threatening to wipe out even the memory of western civiliation.. and that threat is Islam.

This artcile is quite vommit-inducing, and it's hurts me to think that at one point in time Iran was Persia, and unblemished by the pustulous laws of islam. It hurts to think that much of the Middle East, and North Africa, and Asia would today not be a theocratic islamic hellhole if something had've been done to stop the islamic scourge sweeping the globe. I can't help wondering "what if".... What would the world be like today if Muhammed had've been stopped in his tracks, his twisted blood cult either killed off completely or confined to a forgotten corner of Arabia.

The most sickening thing is that becauase islam is now established as a "religion" and has been around for so long, no-one (apart from the likes of us) will look beyond the title of "religion" into the diseased mess that lies within.
Even after all the death, misery and suffering islam's been responsible for throughout time, and even throughout modern times, most of the human race is still infuriatingly ignorant about it.

Knowalot,
I sense you are not among this ignorant number, you seem to have a compassionate part of you that despairs at human suffering in the world. So then, why is it so hard for you to accept that islam is perhaps the single biggest cause of suffering in the world today.

We're all quite aware that muslims aren't the only ones capable of evil, and wrong-doing.... but they're certainly the ones who seem to get an easy ride for their troubles. The left critisize christians and jews all the time for their attrocities.... fair enough, but if such attrocoties disturb them , then shouldn't they be equally sickened by the much more frequent islamic attrocities, done directly in the name of their "religion"???

Think!!!

When I read about such a stoning death, it makes me sick. The fact that Islam condones and even encourages this sort of behaviour makes me want to send the Muslims packing, back to their original homelands. I don't ever want to see their customs or types of governance over here in North/South America or Europe. The argument that they are innately bent on the destruction of any ideology or people with contrarian views is another disturbing and troubling fact of life. I will do battle against anyone attempting to bring such a lifestyle to me, but at the same time, we must battle the death culture everywhere, and that includes our own, if we are to be victorious and bring about a culture of life, liberty, and happiness.

As far as sonofab iatch, he is part of the same culture of death and violence and his rants make me laugh ( pure ignorance)

knowalot, why did it take you 8 posts of trolling to finally come up with a logical one. Piss off the messageboard and stop splitting hairs. There are those of us who are just reading this site and frankly, you are pretty much a fool.

US ADVISES SHAH'S SECURITY ON HOW TO TORTURE WOMEN

'The notorious Iranian security service, SAVAK, which employed torture routinely was created under the guidance of the CIA and Israel in the late 1950s. According to a former CIA analyst on Iran, Jesse J. Leaf, SAVAK was instructed in torture techniques by the Agency. After the 1979 Revolution, the Iranians found CIA film made for SAVAK on how to torture women.' (Rogue State, p. 51)