Jihad Watch Advisory Board Vice President asks some pointed questions about the Armanious case:
1) Did any Muslims mysteriously disappear from Jersey City in the period immediately following the murders?2) If so, was there anything in the personal or family history of those who may have disappeared that might indicate a special animus toward the Armanious family (i.e., the father, or the outspoken Sylvia)?
3) Was there any communication between officials of the Egyptian embassy, consulate, delegation at the U.N., or any other Egyptian official in Egypt or the United States, who tried to silence relatives or friends of the victims, or other Copts in Jersey City, or elsewhere?
4) Was there any attempt by any Egyptian officials to intimidate Copts now in Egypt, so that they, in turn, would plead with Copts in the United States to keep quiet?
5) Was there any communication by anyone in the American government to the Hudson County Prosecutors Office, or within the FBI, suggesting that the investigation should not "make things worse" in the larger context of the "war on terrorism" by "needlessly" offending local Muslims "whose support was needed" in "that war" -- or words to that effect?
6) In learning about Muslim attitudes toward Copts and other non-Muslims, to whom did the Hudson County Prosecutors Office turn? And the FBI? What "experts" did they consult? What articles did they read? One would like to know about the extent of knowledge possessed by American police and other security forces of the attitude, enshrined in the Shari'a, and reflected everywhere in the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, that is encouraged toward non-Muslims. One would like to know if, for example, any of the studies of dhimmitude have been assigned to be read by agents of the FBI? If not, why not? What about having a translation commissioned of the most thorough study of the legal status of dhimmis -- that of Antoine Fattal. Surely the American government can pay for a translation of this book, given its relevance.
7) Who in Congress, or in the State of New Jersey, is taking careful note of how this investigation is proceeding, and of the curious reluctance to suggest that something other than robbery might be the motive?
8) Why is this case not worthy of the attention of the Scott Petersen case, much less that of O. J. Simpson?
9) Have any of the often vocal associations, such as the National Council of Churches, seen fit to urge that the case be given full attention, and to make sure that its members keep up the pressure on the Hudson County Prosecutors Office not to bury or archive this matter, and to hope that it goes away?
For it cannot now be buried, and what is at stake are the reputations of the investigators, and of the faith, repeatedly shaken (not least by the mysterious disappearance of Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun) of American citizens in their own government's ability, or willingness, to take a tack quite different from that which can be observed in Europe.
Meanwhile, John Walsh on "America's Most Wanted" and a good many others on-line, are unlikely to lose interest -- or allow others to do so.
Good questions all.
Now, considering the head in the sand, butt in the air posture of those in a position to know, how are answers compelled ?
The governor of N.J. or the state attorney general ought to appoint a special prosecutor-investigator. If the FBI is doing the stonewalling, the Special prosecutor needs federal empowerment.
How pathetic and shallow that 4 humans
were murdered in their home in a savagely inhumane manner and befor any arrests were made, the first response from Muslims is to assume they'll be blamed(as if to have some fore knowledge of who did it) and canibalize the tragedy for their own cause.
Remember the Beslan Jihad that slaughtered
women and children just trying to get an education
to better themselves,Islamic groups absolved themselves from any connection and went on a rant about how they felt for the victims and prayed for the families affected.
Over the past week a group of teenagers from that school have been sponsored by non-Muslims to visit Canada and have fulfilled their dreams of seeing a live NBA game in Toronto,they toured the CN Tower and view Toronto from the near 1400Ft.
deck level with glass floor panels to put the height in perspective,the group also toured Niagara Falls
Canada.
Once again the Islamic compassion rings hollow
when it comes to deeds and actions,not one of the many Islamic Org.s in Canada have posted a "Welcome" notice to the victims or even recognize the efforts by the Russian-Canadian Community to give the students some good memories to put mental distance from the inhumane Jihad
that traumatized them for life.
I read in the Quran and heard from Imam's that Muslims must help other Muslims first and
it now looks as if the overt displays of charity
by CAIR and their ilk falls under the Quranic
clause for "Taqiyya/Taqiyyah" since Jihad includes the "State of War" to defend Islam.
Since the infidels have been named as the enemies of Allah and Islam,all Muslims are in a perpetual "State of War" and Taqiyya is the ruse to continue the charade by Mr.Hooper that Islam means peace and any killing is un-Islamic.
If Muslims truely cared about all of Gods children they would have helped the Beslan teenagers visiting Canada and assured them that no all Muslims are terrorists,they could have got Kiefer Southerland to do a PSA for the teenagers
to put them at ease.
NO ISLAM - NO WAR
Also,if the Coptic assoc. keeps implying the killing was in line with Quranic style murder for infidels the FBI will be pressured by CAIR to declare Muslims had nothing to do with it.
I learned a long time ago that you can get the answers from people if you know how to set up the question you're asking,fans of Sherlock Holmes know that the evidence can include the neighbours dog that "Didn't" bark as well as the dog that "Did" bark.
The FBI will be under pressure to prove it
wasn't Muslims and that will mean they need evidence to show it was "Non-Muslims",the paradox is so sweet since proving one group didn't do it assumes another group DID do it.
My fear is that those gutless thugs forced the children to watch their parents be murdered and if that was so I would have no problem pulling the switch to FRY these sons of Allah and followers of Muhammed.
I'll even pay for the electricy and their last halal meal on Earth befor meeting Muhammed in Paradise.
"8) Why is this case not worthy of the attention of the Scott Petersen case, much less that of O. J. Simpson?"
Indeed - why is this case not worthy of the attention of the Michael Jackson case. Because at this time it won't sell enough newspapers or advertising time on television.
I don't know, johnb, if this story was reported truthfully, I think it would be the news story of the decade.
By truthfully, I mean openly discussing the mandate in Islam to murder those who criticize Islam. They could talk about the fatwah against Rushdie, the murder of Theo Van Gogh, the fact that two Dutch people are living in hiding due to threats from Muslims, etc. They could discuss the way the Copts are treated in Egypt.
But, unfortunately that seems to be a pipe dream. We all know how Islam is reported in the media these days.
As to Hugh's first question: "Did any Muslims mysteriously disappear from Jersey City in the period immediately following the murders?"
They don't have to disappear. They can rely on their brethren to protect them and lie through their teeth for them. They can rely on our dhimmi law and justice agencies to pussyfoot around the ugly realities, and not come out and say what it's really about (for that will offend the poor, victimized Muslim in America, and we can't have that!). They can rely on the climate of fear they have created with this murder - mess with us, and you might end up the same way.
Can you imagine Christians covering up a crime like this? The idea that muslims will help their murderers get away with this crime just underscores the difference in our way of thinking. While we as westerners and members of civilized society would have a moral duty to turn a murderer into the authorities, the muslims would feel no need to give a member of the ummah up to infidel justice. There is no real punishment for killing an infidel, after all they are just sons of pigs and monkeys. And there is another point...how in the hell can anyone really believe that statement. Christians and Jews are the sons of pigs and monkeys, isn't it funny how we have done all the worthy inventing, and development of the Earth that G-D has given us.
How sad it is that immigrants have to fear for their lives in these United States.People think that God and Allah are the same but they aren't.
God say's thou shalt not commit murder.Plain and simple.God gives us a free will to serve him.
Allah demands submissiveness,you have no choice.
God says to live as peaceably with people as possible.Allah says kill,torture and take what the infidel has.God say's that people of all nations who believe in his Son Jesus Christ will go to Heaven.Allah say's God had no son,which is the spirit of the Anti Christ.God say's revenge is his.I pray that they find their killers soon.
Robbery was just a reward for them that did the deed.Or to stage a crime scene.Now they are building another Huge Mosque in Pennsylvania.A harbor for Jihad.Wake up America .Their goal is to make us bow down to Islam-The Spirit of Anti Christ.They claim the infidels will burn in hell,their martyrs are sitting there right now.
in the first things we read here at JW was the fact that a person of interest had indeed fled the country, i think he left his car at the airport?.....nothing else has appeared that i've seen...it is filed in the trap(my mind)(atlas shrugged).
this is not very reassuring to me as a citizen,now i'm not from jersey but doubt my state would fair any better.
There is one consideration I have not seen yet addressed in this. It may not be dhimmitude, only short-sighted quest for political advantage. Blaming random criminals for the murders has the advantage that criminals have no constituencies (except for the Mafia) and cannot take it out on you at election time. Muslims do, and Muslim citizens of the US can vote as much as others. And the elected officials of that haven of morality and public decency, New Jersey (is it only my impression that the recent admissions of its governor are only the mask to distract attention from interesting financial and other deals?) are looking mainly to their electoral welfare. We don't want to piss off all those Muslim voters, do we? Thus does Jihad proceed, as we see daily in France and Britain: by exploiting the electoral power of united mass votes directed from the mosques. Vote early, vote often. It has an ancient and distinguished pedigree.