It is unfortunate that the only people saying things like this are Jean-Marie Le Pen, whose name is already so closely associated with racism and anti-Semitism. It further obfuscates the fact that Europe is facing an ideological threat, and that the only reason to object to Muslim population growth in Europe is not because Muslims are of a different race from Frenchmen. The court condemns Le Pen simply for noting this population growth; its decision shows that it is the official French view that such growth is benign, and no dissent is tolerated. But the court seems to have said nothing about the Sharia or the possibility of its coming to France with this growing population, and leading to the overhaul of French society and the denial of French history and culture. "Far-right leader’s conviction upheld," from AP, with thanks to Ian:
Le Pen, leader of the National Front party, was ordered to pay a £6900 fine for inciting racial hatred in comments in Le Monde newspaper two years ago.Le Pen has been convicted of racism or anti-Semitism at least six times.
He blames immigrants, especially those from North Africa, for high unemployment and wants to deport all illegal immigrants.
He wants to deport illegal immigrants? Horror of horrors!
In the interview, Le Pen urged the French to beware of "the day in France when we have 25 million Muslims, not five million" — the estimated population of Muslims in France.The appeals court in Paris said such comments could incite hatred. "In denouncing such a threat, Jean-Marie Le Pen tends to stir in the reader a feeling of hostility and rejection toward Muslims depicted as dominators," the written ruling stated.
Hi girls&guys,
Feel free to create an uncensored Poll about Islam. Have a look at my one called "Poll about Islam and the Koran". Have a bit of fun for yourselves.
PS: By the way, if people don't see the Islamic threat, then this means that they are not worthy of democracy. It is a possibility that the future holds a return to the Dark Ages. Similar to the Jews in Germany just before WWII. The smart ones left Germany asap, but the dull ones re-assured their families that the violence would eventually pass... and then they were sent to the gas chambers. Their ignorance of human nature condemned both themselves and their families. Once more we see a threat and the majority of the people are oblivious to it. I suspect that a few will wake up once nuclear weapons start goling off in the Middle East...
PS: Goto http://www.misterpoll.com/1275423065.html
We're looking here at the difference between Roosevelt and Stalin, both of whom faced fascism and who also faced the question of old age pensions. If we don't take the lead here we'll give it to Le Pen, David Duke, and the BNP and others of that ilk, and we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.
If you want to make a difference in a practical way, join us at http://www.co-jet.org. The site is run by jihadwatch readers like yourself, maybe even you. Join in at the blog and see if you can do better than Le Pen.
There is nothing good one can say about LePen. In France, and perhaps in Europe, this -- well, imagine a movie about Occupied France, and then as you run that movie in your mind's eye, stop the projector slowly when you get to the most craven adn vicious kid of collaborator, the born antisemite who a line to Gestapo headquarters in rue des Saussaies, and you will have a good idea of LePen -- has been the greatest obstacle to sensible and forthright discussion of what Islam is all about, in theory and practice, and why "integration" will not work, and why there is no time to waste in learning about Islam and undoing the folly of the corrupt or self-assured but stupid promoters of the Euro-Arab Diagogue and all that it is doing to rewrite European history and the relation of Islam to Europe as to the rest of the world.
The sooner LePen dies, the more likely it is that in France those who are aware of the problem, but have been holding back because they do not want to appear to endorse LePen (who, by the way, visited Saddam Hussein to offer his supoprt, and has every conceivable anti-American and of course antisemitic, that is to say anti-Israel, view of the European left). One hopes that the handful of sensible leaders -- Sarkozy comes about as close as, at this point, we can hope for. In France, as in much of Europe, there is still no one who can say, and whom we can trust to mean it, the line that Pedro Sanchez utters in "Napoleon Dynamite": "if I am elected, your wildest dreams will come true."
So terrible is the problem, however, that some good people will even vote for LePen, as a way of showing how alienated they are. This shows how badly the French politicians have fallen down -- not merely the crook Chirac, of whom no one expects anything (and he should not be taken seriously by anyone in the American government), nor the poseur D. de V., but a great many others.
How stupid can people be not to realize that the field should not be left to LePen or those like him (NOTE: each country is different, and Fini is perfectly acceptable, while Alessandra Mussolini, who split with Fini over his denunciation of the antisemitic legislation -- the "racial laws" of the late 1930s -- is not. In Germany, there is no one called "right-wing" who can conceivably be acceptable; Belgium and the Scandinavian countries, however, each require specific local knowledge to decide where one has a right to worry and where some are labelled "right-wing" or "far right-wing" only because the press is itself propagandizing against them, as it always used to do against the Lebanese Christians, unfailingly describing them as "right-wing Christians" when the epithet made no sense.
LePen is not paid by Saudi agents. But if he is not being paid by Muslim agents, he should be.
In attempting to prevent the islamization of Western Europe, LePen has been worse than useless. He gets in the way. And his view of the universe, with his hatred of Americans and of Jews, is quite close to that of those he claims to oppose, but he is simply Tweedledum to their Dee.
In "Napoleon Dynamite" Pedro Sanchez is running for Class President and promises his fellow students that "if I am elected, your wildest dreams will come true." It's a good campaign slogan, truthful in its beautiful untruthfulness, and Pedro deserved to win. No one will make our wildest dreams come true in Europe, or in America. But one does hope that in expressing home truths about Islam and islamization, the field will not be left to the likes of LePen. The sooner he is removed, the better.
WHO CARES ABOUT THE FRENCH?
The United States can continue to exist, physically, without Europe. But an islamized Europe is not something to look forward to, for Americans or for Europeans. In what is now Occupied France, with a host of collaborators w(ho would be surprised and indignant to hear themselves being identified as such), those outside have an interest and a duty to support the few who do sense that something is going terribly wrong, even if the full implications still escape them).
It is not "the French" (whatever that phrase means) but all sorts of people, in the E.U. bureaucracy above all, who are stupid or sinister, or both. Prodi and Patten and Solana, or for that matter Robin Cook, the very worst of the Euro-Arab appeasers, are not French. Some of the most piercing writers on Islam in the past century were French -- Fagnan, Abel, Dufourcq, and in a much more polemical fashion, Servier -- were among them.
Ivan Rioufol at Le Figaro, Jean-Paul Charney and Anne-Marie Delcambre (a teacher in a famous lycee), Alain Finkielkraut (author of, inter alia, the relevant "La Defaite de la pensee"), Alain Besancon (more famous as a student of Soviet Russia) are all French -- are they worth saving?
We should care about "the French," "the Italians," "the Copts," "the Israelis," "the Nigerian Christians," the "Bangladeshi Hindus," and eveyone else who is now, and will in the future, suffer from the theory and practice of Islam.
ThanQ Hugh.
Enlightening posts, as always.
The mainstay of Western Europe is rapidly islamizing. The future looks ominous. What can we in the US do to help this? Now, canada whioch too is rapidly europeanizing (and thus islamizing indirectly) has rejected the missile defense cooperation treaty renewal with the US. They've finally given up on their own defense, foloowing no doubt i Western Europe's footsteps. Now what?
Always enjoy reading your posts Hugh, and agree usually, certainly today.
The failure of mainstream politicos re the islamic issue opens the way for other parties,
those further right, to challenge.
The Belgium 'further right' group has, i believe, won and accepted some Jewish adherants, in addition to a much wider following than it ever had. This, of course, was because they decided that they were not interested in antisemitism, Jews did not threaten Belgium, and neither did gays, blacks etc; what threatens Belgium is islam, and i assume that is what their focus is.
Hugh, you know more than i on this, i'm partly guessing.
LePen prevents such a change in France; no sane person can forget or forgive his grotesque concept of truth; he must never be given power.
In Canada we have no leaders, only poll readers; I wish there were a party to vote for.