Gulf states differ in implementing reforms of Islamic education

This is doubtless proving so difficult because of the deep roots of the "Al Qaida ideology" in the Qur'an and Sunnah. From the World Tribune, with thanks to Nicolei:

ABU DHABI – Gulf Arab states have agreed to reform Islamic education.

But the six-member Gulf Cooperation Council has not agreed on a uniform curriculum that would discourage Al Qaida ideology.

GCC officials said GCC education ministers discussed plans to reform Islamic education as part of a drive to stop the Islamic insurgency campaign in the region. The officials said the GCC ministers agreed to conduct a review of religious education and introduce changes.

"It's time to develop the syllabus of Islamic education," GCC secretary-general Abdul Rahman Al Attiyah said during the GCC meeting in Kuwait on Feb. 9. "This must be carried out by specialists among clerics, scholars and experts. I insist they must be moderates."

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This shouldn't be that hard. Infidels are to be despised. Infidels are to be condemned. Infidels do not deserve to keep their own inferior, and outrageous, political and social arrangements. Infidels are Kufr, ungrateful to Allah, wretches. Islam is "to dominate and not to be dominated." You may use whatever instruments prove effective, seriatim or in tandem, to ensure the conditions for the spread of Islam.
With all this one cannot disagree.

But, alas, in Saudi Arabia, and in Kuwait, and in the U.A.E., and elsewhere, we find that some people have begun to use the term "Infidel" for their rulers. They seem to think that they can simply call "Infidels" anyone they wish to oppose, And they imply that we, the House of Al-Saud, or Al-Sabah, or Al-Thani, or Al-thisorthat, are in cahoots with Infidels.

No. We are not in cahoots. We use the Infidels. We charge them $45/barrel for oil that they discovered, that they make use of, and that costs us less than $1/barrel to lift. We smile, and smile, but we twist them around our little fingers. We have bought up their diplomats and even their intelligence agents. A former C.I.A. station chief, a few dozen diplomats in London, Washington, Paris -- we even managed to have the Italian ambassador "revert" to Islam recently. It is we who recognize that, for the moment, we are temporarily unable to compete militarily with the Infidels.

Look at how fantastically we have done. Now the Infidels have spent more than $300 billion in Iraq. For what? At the end, Iraq will still be Muslim.

Everywhere in Europe and North America, we see mosques sprouting up. When, in a small town outside Boston, in the town of Billerica, a mosque is built for $15 million, which serves only 100 families, where do you think the money is coming from? Meanwhile, all over the churches are shutting down for want of money. There is a huge mosque, on 7 3/4 acres of land donated by the government of Italy, not a mile from the Vatican. There are mosques in London, in Paris, in Berlin, in Madrid, in every large and small city in Europe. And in America. And they do nothing, nothing at all to stop us. And with the mosques come madrasas. And with the madrasas, comes Da'wa.

How can we be called "Infidels"? It is we who are doing the most to spread Islam.

That is the problem. There are those who think they can get at us by calling us "Infidels." But we are not. Both the Infdiels themselves, and apparently these wild men who try to bomb us, are confused, and confused in the same way. Make no mistake: we are here for Islam. Our money, our power, our bribes and our frowns, our smiles and our wiles, are all for promoting the cause of Islam. How could it be otherwise? It defines us. It calls us. It makes us everything we have been, everything we want to be. It explains the universe, and regulates our lives.

Those fanatics who call us "Infidels" are, we know, agents of the Infidels. For who benefits when they kill Saudis or other Muslim Arabs? We have no objection when they kill Infidels in Europe or America or Israel. But for the moment, we want to take advantage of the Infidels who work here. We need the knowledge we can get from them. Killing them now, when they are useful to us, here in the Arabian peninsula, is silly. Why kill the instructors who train our military? Why kill the doctors who help treat Muslims, and increase our numbers? Why kill the people who are the cogs in the Muslim oil machine, the war machine, the mosque-and-madrasa jihad machine? It makes no sense.

No, kill the Infidels wherever they oppose us. But remember: we are Muslims, the best of men. All of us. The rich and the poor, the Al-Saud princes who prostrate themselves at Friday Prayers, just as does the lowliest street beggar in those Muslim lands where there are stil beggars. That makes us one. Nothing else should divide us.

Translate that into Arabic, print it out (first printing of 100 million copies), and you'll be all set.

That wasn't hard, was it?

It’s amazing how 3.5 years after 9/11 there has been so little reform in the teaching of hate and Islamic supremacy in Islamic institutions. It’s more amazing how little outrage this evokes in the West. In any case, I’ve posted this info on my new blog: http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ (click on JasonP)

From the Feb. 18 Arab News about one of the beneficiaries of an "Islamic education" - and as a bonus, an example of Islamic Peace and Tolerance:

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=9§ion=0&article=59180&d=18&m=2&y=2005

"Public Awareness Is the Most Effective Weapon
Safinaz Z. Murshid, Arab News

A little boy about 12 was sitting with his father in a doctor’s waiting room. Two non-Arab nurses walked through and the little boy, with an astonished look on his face, said loudly and clearly to his father, “There are too many Westerners in here. Why doesn’t somebody blow this place up?” The boy then turned to the other side of the room where a bearded man was sitting. Looking at his father and indicating the bearded man, he said, “We’d better pin our hopes on him.” The boy’s father was silent; nothing did he say and nothing did he do."

And where did the boy learn this? At home, in school, or at the mosque.

Two observations follow.

#1. This is probably a private hospital not a government hospital. The nursing staff in public hospitals is usually predominately Philippino. Westerners are too expensive. Therefore the boy is probably middle or upper class.

#2. Boys like this are who the Saudis are expecting to bring the Kingdom into the 21st century - well, the 18th at least.

Well, of course they are taking the kingdom into the 21st century. Adolf Hitler, Al Capone and Mao Zedong were highly twentieth-century types. Murder and robbery have no defining age.

It is true the Al Qaida ideology has "deep roots in the Qur'an and Sunnah". It is also true the Tribulation/End Times ideology has deep roots in the Bible.

Most Christians do not interpret everything through the book of Revelations. In fact, most Christians ignore the book of Revelations.

Islamofascism is spreading like wildfire but is also possible to be a Muslim and not give a flying fig about (or even be totally unaware of) the quotes favored by the Jihadists. Unfortunately the holy war texts are always there to be rediscovered by the next Islamic mental patient or troublemaker.

A moderate Islamic curriculum should be given a chance.

A moderate Islamic curriculum should be given a chance. Posted by: 1630r

Nice thought, but impossible IMO. A Martin Luther would have a Rushdie style fatwa on his head, and Shari'a is set in stone, any attempt to moderate it would be irtidad (apostasy). Islam without Shari'a is not Islam, and all Muslims know that.


Hugh Sez:

Look at how fantastically we have done. Now the Infidels have spent more than $300 billion in Iraq. For what? At the end, Iraq will still be Muslim.

Err Hugh, that was a done deed before the election, the Jay Gardner, neo con approved, Iraqi Interim Constitution, that declared Iraq to be an Islamic Republic and Shar'a the basis of law and constitution. (Just like Iran and pre and post Taliban Afghanistan, BTW).

It’s amazing how 3.5 years after 9/11 there has been so little reform in the teaching of hate and Islamic supremacy in Islamic institutions. It’s more amazing how little outrage this evokes in the West. In any case, I’ve posted this info on my new blog: http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ (click on JasonP) Posted by: JasonP

The tide seems to be changing. You must not have seen Bill Mahers Real Time on HBO last night, he took real time swipes at Islam, in particular the
misogyny of Islam and the Iraqi's, even made fun of their whining about "torture" poor things were "humilated" by women. As he said many an American male would line up for the "humiliation" these poor sexually repressed men had to endure.

I saw a dialogue between Christopher Hitchens and Tariq Ali, one thing they both agreed on was that Muslims are sexually repressed.

Recommended reading The Arab Mind but do read Col Noville's (alas overly optimistic review at this link.

Finally, in his 1983 edition, Patai takes an optimistic view of the future of the Arab world but adds a caveat to his prediction with the comment that this could happen "only if the Arabs can rid themselves of their obsession with and hatred of Zionism, Israel, and American imperialism." In the eighteen years since those words were written, none of these obsessions has been put to rest. In fact, they have increased. The imported 1960s and 1970s Western ideologies of Marxism and socialism have given way to Islamism, a synthesis of Western-style totalitarianism and superficial Islamic teachings, which has resurrected historical mythology and revitalized an amorphous but palpable hatred of the Western "jinns." Nevertheless, many astute observers of the Arab world see the so-called "Islamic revival" with its attendant pathologies as cresting and beginning to recede.

Take sex out of the Qur'an and Shar'a, and there is nothing left to motivate the Muslim. Then again the same is true of Judeo Christianity,mas o menos.

It is impossible to read through the Old and New Testament of the Qur'an, without being swamped by misogyny and sex. Such as the The X Rated Bible and the misogyny of Leviticus, Deuteronomy, even Abraham (who prostituted Sarah to the King as his sister) and of course the extreme Misogyny of the Pauline books (Man is head of the woman, women keep silent in church if they have anything to say let them learn from the husband, and woman is created for mans sake, but man is not created for woman's sake).

Islam merely outbids Judeo Christianity in the sexual repression and misogyny department. The Jews long ago gave up stoning for adultery, but it is still practised in Iran and adultery is a death sentence in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan.

The Christian Reconstruction movement, which has infiltrated the Christian Right, wishes to grab power and have their own theocratic state, complete with stoning or beheading for apostasy, blasphemy and adultery Rushddoony, Stoos, Bahnsen, Robertson, Falwell, Gary and Oliver North's version of a Christian Iran..

Choices between an Islamic Republic under Allah and a Christian Republic under YHVH, are not too appealing to a secularist free thinker.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the good ole fashion secular democratic Republic that once was America.

The words "moderate" and "Islamic" in the same phrase describe an oxymoron.

Giour, I am absolutely speechless. The idea that Christians are advocating for a repressive state is just not true. I have never heard any of those Christian leaders say they wanted to bring back stoning or anything even remotely related. I do not know how old you are but I am old enough to remember when prayer was considered just what you did when a large group of people got together. Nobody bellyached about it. My best friend throughout highschool was a Jew and she never complained about prayer, she just raised her head before Jesus' name was said. I loved her as much as my sister, I went to synagogue with her and had great respect for her religion. You have a memory of a secular Republic, when was this? Before the ACLU began destroying the fabric of this great nation, it was a wonderful place, yes the blacks had to fight to get respect and equality and they have made major strides. But in the past, the few didn't over-ride the wishes of the majority. To forbid prayer and mention of G-D's name in public is not freedom! That is taking away someone's rights. I for one am sick of my rights being stepped on because somebody might get their feelings hurt. Too damned bad. AND what are Christians going to do to you? If you ask for my shirt, I am to give my coat also. I am to pray for those who despitefully use me. If you ask me to go one mile, I am to go two. Where dear Giour does it say in the gospels to do harm to anyone?

A moslem sucks in the hatred with the mothers milk.

We are being tought how to love our neighbors and to contribute to society so that no one is left behind.

Nobody has tought us how to hate those who want to kill us. This will be a tragic, incomprehensible transition to make for those who still spin the ideas of the sixties flower power generation, piece, love and the Beatles...

Yes: We have to learn to hate! Islam has no problem with that, and we will not be able to counter "it" by throwing bibles at it.

Our 'leaders' are afraid to call aspade a spade: It is not a "war on terror" - Islam itself IS terror!!! And if those, who call for nuking Mecca are to be silenced (there are not many for all I know) but there are probably 300 to 500 million muslims who would dance in the streets if New York was nuked by an Islamic bomb. We are too much concerned with restricting our own liberties in order to appease those who want to take them away from us: ISLAM = TERROR!

Anyway, the Saudi discos rock and all the burkhas are shakin:

http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/winds_of_jihad.html

Terminator, the song Winds of Jihad by Sheik Yer'mami grooves. Reminds a little of Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention. Nice find.

Carolyn, I am still waiting for giaour to post links to his 'proof.' I am curious to see just who these groups are.

Gary:

Don't hold your breathe.

As you may recall, Giaour still cites Craig Unger's seriously (if not fatally) flawed book on the connection between the Saudis and the Bush family is and who owned the largest chunk of Carlyle at the time of the invasion of Iraq to support his one of his conspiracy theories.

Yeah the difference is in how much money the U.S. gives them to then turn around and FUBAR us.