Iran to build 20 new nuke plants?

A strategic idea worthy considering.

What possible motives could Iran have for creating a nuclear power industry? The most obvious is for nuclear weapons. However, has anyone considered that twenty nuclear power plants have an enormous regional power generating capability! The region could cut back on oil production and have electrical power for citizens of "worthy" countries, both Muslim and non-Muslim.

A strategic idea worthy considering.

What possible motives could Iran have for creating a nuclear power industry? The most obvious is for nuclear weapons. However, has anyone considered that twenty nuclear power plants has an enormous regional power generating capability! The region could cut back on oil production and have electrical power for citizens of "worthy" countries, both Muslim and non-Muslim.

A stitch in time saves nine.

The civilized world needs to nip Iranian warmongering in the bud now. A decisive military strike against Iranian isntallations may have the happy effect of bringing down the current regime as well in the ensueing political turbulence. Whatever govt follows can't be any worse than this present bunch of asshats.

Did I read this right the Europeans have some contracts with Iran and Iran says they must fill these Contracts??

OR WHAT??

THIS SOUNDS VERY DIMMI TO ME??

The Europeans need to tell them to get bent the Europeans tell the USA that ALL the Time??

Why are the Euroeans such cowards the mulsums have no problem breaking their Treatys??

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Catherine needs to learn to spell English. She also needs to learn some manners. We will fight for our freedom, but not for some arrogant and ignorant individual who does not seem willing to bother with the facts. (The facts being that the European Union has been pressuring Iran and its suppliers, the most important being Russia, not to go ahead with this program, and that world reporters generally believe Europe and the USA to be in full agreement on this little matter.)

Posted by: Paolo at February 2, 2005 08:38 AM

Really ?? Yes spelling is a fault of mine??

But did you read the story or what??

Ayatollah Khamenei took power during the lslamic Revolution in 1979. He said at the time Iran had several agreements with European contractors to build 23 reactors and that those agreements are still in effect.

I SAID THAT THE EUROPANS NEED TO TELL IRAN TO GET BENT!!!

LAST TIME I CK-ED RUSSIA WAS NOT EUROPEAN??

We see talk is cheep!!

I know that some Europeans are in this Fight with their big toe but this fight is not one to hedge your bets on??

http://www.zum.de/psm/rta/doa28.php
Reichstagsakten 1888/89, 7. Lp., Vol. 121, Attachment 41: Collection of Documents pertaining the Uprising in East Africa, No. 28: Directive to the Imperial ambassador in London
Friedrichsruh, October 28th 1888

It is to be desired that our agreement with England on fighting the slave trade and the import of weapons to East Africa will have the shape of an international agreement. Such a document would establish limits for the expansion of the continued expansion of the Muslim and slave trading movement, by the moral impression by the accord of the two European powers so far engaged there, and also, more propably, will lead to the cooperation of the other European states engaged. I propose the exchange of notifications between us and Britain, in which we take upon ourselves the obligation, under the condition (p.412) on an equal participation of Britain for the same purpose, to fight the anti-Christian and anti-civilizatoric movement which has emerged over the last years on the African continent, and to recognize the prohibition of the export of slaves and the import of arms and ammunition as the most effective means, as it is only the possession of superior arms ans ammunitions which enables the Arab and Muslim minority to undertake slave hunts and wars necessary to obtain slaves, and to keep up the superiority of their race in Africa's interior.
The slave trade and the initiative Britain has taken to combat it, have been origin and incentive to the union of all elements interested in the matter, and which have made it possible to use Muslim fanaticism in the interest of this over one thousand years old tradition of African slave trade and to call on them for war. The effects of this movement, large and small, can be seen in the positions of the Mahdi, of Tippu Tip and in the rising number of murders of Europeans in Africa's interior. To transfer christianity and European civilization to Africa by armed force is not feasible because of the width of the country and of the climate. The indigenous population would be susceptible to the European efforts if it was not suppressed by the force of arms, the higher intelligence and the
cohesion of the Arab Muslims. We could outmatch the latter only, if we strike at the source of their superiority, superior armament and the realisation of their profits, by the suppression of the import of arms and the export of slaves.
Therefore I regard it a task no Christian nation should exclude itself from, to interrupt as far as possible the import of weapons and ammunition to Africa's interior and the export of slaves. This task shall be mainly taken care of by the two powers most interested in the Sultanate of Zanzibar, Germany and Britain; but to its complete solution it is recommended, to, soon, gain the cooperation of the neighbouring Portuguese government and of His Majesty the King of Belgium for the Congo Free State. It is also recommended to kindly ask the French government for their cooperation, in order to prevent arms import into the Congo area and in order to end the abuse of the French flag in East Africa by Arab dhows.
Your Excellency will request Lord Salisbury to confirm his approval with these opinions by a note to Sir Edward Malet, in order to cause the British navy to join in a concerted blockade of the Zanzibar coast, and, like us, but operating separately, to ask the previously mentioned governments to decree respective instructions.

signed von Bismarck

Your Excellency the Imperial Ambassador
Count von Hatzfeldt

http://www.zum.de/psm/rta/doa21.php
Reichstagsakten 1888/89, 7. Lp., Vol. 121, Attachment 41: Collection of Documents pertaining the Uprising in East Africa, No.21: Report from the Imperial ambassador in London
London, August 1st 1888

Cardinal Lavagerie, who arrived here from Algiers in order to advocate measures against slavery, yesterday held his first, much frequented lecture in Prince's Hall.
The Cardinal described his 30 years experience in the service of the cause of the liberation of slaves; during these years, 11 of his missionaries have been murdered in Africa's interior, more than 50 died from the exertion coming with their task. Still, the conditions in that part of the world have continuously deteriorated, and even in the high (p.408) plateaus of Central Africa where nature provides best for the population, slave traders have caused destruction. These slave traders would penetrate into the interior from Morocco, Tunis, Zanzibar and Egypt, at certain times and with considerable power, and would not be resisted by the demoralized inhabitants.
Cardinal Lavagerie suggested an international conference and proposed that the slave trade would have to be ended by force, and by encouraging the inhabitants to resist.
On the same occasion, Lord Granville reminded of the attempts made at the Congresses of Vienna and Verona to terminate the slave trade and expressed the belief that still today the various nations could agree on concerted actions.
This latter view has been accepted by the assembly in form of a resolution.

signed Hatzfeldt

His Excellency Prince von Bismarck

http://www.zum.de/psm/rta/doa8a.php
Reichstagsakten 1888/89, 7. Lp., Vol. 121, Attachment 41: Collection of Documents pertaining the Uprising in East Africa, Report from the Imperial consul general on Zanzibar

No.8, attachment no. 1, Report from District Chief of Lindi
Lindi, August 16th 1888
The Arab segment of the population of Lindi lives on the slave trade. All soldiers and Sultan's men are accomplices and receive their share in the robbery.
The main slave traders are :
Mahamadi Ngunga
Bachofa Hamed
Abid bin Zef
Halaal bin Zef
Salim bin Abdallah
Seliman, the Sultan's prison guard
Rashid de Pappa
and the Kadi Omani bin Jemali
The latter is given a large percentage for remaining silent.
British warships hardly ever have confiscated a slave dhow here and do not visit the port. Almost all the dhows sail under the French flag which they obtain from the consulate in Madagscar, as they have their ships measured there.
I remark simultanously that it is difficult to undertake anything here against slave trade, which is also profitable to the indigenous along the coast, without having a sufficient force at my disposal.

the district chief
Freiherr von Eberstein

YOU SEE WE HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE BUT THE STAKES ARE MUCH HIGHER THEN MY SPELLING OR THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST??

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NUKES IN THE HANDS OF MONSTERS WHO WANT CONTROL OF THE WORLD ??

IF YOUR FEELINGS GET HURT GET OVER IT GROW UP AS THEY SAY??

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PS
John Quincy Adams Knew Jihad
By Andrew G. Bostom
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 29, 2004

“Unsigned essays dealing with the Russo-Turkish War, and on Greece, written while JQA was in retirement, before his election to Congress in 1830” [Chapters X-XIV (pp. 267-402) in The American Annual Register for 1827-28-29. New York, 1830.]

John Quincy Adams possessed a remarkably clear, uncompromised understanding of the permanent Islamic institutions of jihad war and dhimmitude. Regarding jihad, Adams states in his essay series,

“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.”

NOTICE THAT IT IS AGAINST ALL MANKIND NOT JUST JEWS AND CHRISTIANS??

Confirming Adams’ assessment, the late Muslim scholar, Professor Majid Khadduri, wrote the following in his authoritative 1955 treatise on jihad, War and Peace in the Law of Islam :

“Thus the jihad may be regarded as Islam’s instrument for carrying out its ultimate objective by turning all people into believers, if not in the prophethood of Muhammad (as in the case of the dhimmis), at least in the belief of God. The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have declared ‘some of my people will continue to fight victoriously for the sake of the truth until the last one of them will combat the anti-Christ’. Until that moment is reached the jihad, in one form or another will remain as a permanent obligation upon the entire Muslim community. It follows that the existence of a dar al-harb is ultimately outlawed under the Islamic jural order; that the dar al-Islam permanently under jihad obligation until the dar al-harb is reduced to non-existence; and that any community accepting certain disabilities- must submit to Islamic rule and reside in the dar al-Islam or be bound as clients to the Muslim community. The universality of Islam, in its all embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political if not strictly military.”3

And Adams captured the essential condition imposed upon the non-Muslim dhimmi “tributaries” subjugated by jihad, with this laconic statement,

“The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute.”

Indeed, the famous Shafi’i jurist of Baghdad, al-Mawardi (d. 1058), highlights the most salient aspect of the consensus view of classical Islamic jurisprudence regarding the vanquished non-Muslims “tribute”, i.e., the jizya: the critical connection between jihad and payment of the jizya. He notes that “The enemy makes a payment in return for peace and reconciliation.” Al-Mawardi then distinguishes two cases: (I) Payment is made immediately and is treated like booty, however “it does, however, not prevent a jihad being carried out against them in the future.”. (II). Payment is made yearly and will “constitute an ongoing tribute by which their security is established.” Reconciliation and security last as long as the payment is made. If the payment ceases, then the jihad resumes. A treaty of reconciliation may be renewable, but must not exceed 10 years.4 The nature of such “protection”, i.e., a blood ransom, is reinforced in this definition of jizya written by E.W. Lane, based on a careful analysis of the etymology of the term:

NOW YOU CAN HOPE THEY DON'T MEAN WHAT THEY SAY BUT HISTORY SHOWS THE OTHER SIDE??

CNN’s - Inside the Middle East

Does anyone remember the CNN 'Inside the Middle East' program, a few months ago, when CNN's Hala Gorani invited viewers to visit Iran – for a vacation!!!!

[While she was wearing a head scarf - as a woman would not be alive in that country without one and probably with a host of security in the background.]

Then surprise, surprise literally a few days later members of the Iranian governing council, were openly [on camera] calling for 'Death to the Americans'.

It’s OK to be liberal and we have to remain balanced, but when these views potentially put people's lives in danger - then it is here that the 'Kum-bya' philosophies become a problem.

When it comes to many aspects of Islam – there are definitely a few bubbles in the wallpaper, but CNN thinks that by pressing it down a little and pretending its not there, that it will all just go away.

It is few, who believe that the Iranians are not developing nuclear technology to create weapons and possibly to commit genocide. All while CNN plays 'The Happy - We Get Along With All Muslims Game’ – in total disconnect. I think this is in part the reason why they are losing ratings; it is just not real.

[In truth, would the CNN reporter Hala Gorani or any western reporter, take their young family on a packaged holiday to Iran; if not - then CNN should not insult our senses by inviting the rest of us to do so.]

*Iran is a barbaric country.

Yes it's Muslim - what can we do about that? Nothing. It's good to discuss what happens in Iran as it sheds light on Islam, but to talk of intervention is something different.

*Iran is developing Nuclear Power Plants.

Yes, but the nuclear bomb is WWII technology. Within the life span of many people reading this, the nuclear attack on Hiroshima will reach its 100th anniversary. The West will not be able to halt 100 year-old technology springing up in third-rate countries. It's a sad fact, but there is nothing we can do. To invade, or to talk of invasion, is to simply give them motive to develop them and ultimately use them. By 2045 another 30 unreliable countries are going to have nuclear power plants, etc.. So what is America going to do? Invade 30 countries?

*Iran is an evil influence in the world.

Yes, it's Muslim - what can we do about that? Nothing. Anyway, some would say that the Iranian revolution was (in part) a backlash to the American backing of the Shah. (For example, the oil for arms agreement in November 1977 and much economic help.) The moral of this story is that America is no good at dealing with Iranians, and should simply leave them to their own devises. Remember the 1979 hostage rescue mission? Need I say more?

Did anybody in America notice that the Iranians were in fact violently opposed to both the Taliban and Sadam Husein? They never encouraged any of their citizens to go to the aid of these enemy regimes. They never lifted a finger to help them. So why is it the USA's #1 enemy? Because the US government says so?

Consider Vietnam. In the late 70's and 80's it seemed violently Anti-American, but it was all empty rhetoric. In practise that Communist country clashed with China, putting an end to China's expansionism, and then they restored order in Cambodia. After being benignly ignored by the USA for a quarter of a century, it’s now courting American favour. It just shows that seemingly hostile countries can be left to their own devises, and not work against the USA's interests.

There is a small section of the Iranian government (and perhaps a large minority of the Iranian populace) who have democratic aspirations and who would like to see a normal relationship with the USA. This sabre rattling simply alienates and silences them. It plays into the hands of Islamists.

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Tribe:
“A primitive unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent.”

Squirrel:
“The Red Squirrel was once common throughout the British Isles. It has now been mostly displaced by its more pushy North American cousin the Grey Squirrel, Sciurus carolinensis.”
(http://www.redsquirrel.fsnet.co.uk/redsquirrel.html)

Spider:
Kill a spider and bad luck yours will be,
Until of flies you’ve swatted fifty-three.

America:
“America had often been discovered before Columbus, but it had always been hushed up.”
(Oscar Wilde)

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