Well, I hate terrorism and like alliances against terrorism, especially with Muslim nations who are trying to keep their own jihad terrorists in check. So why is it that when Musharraf says this, a little voice in my head echoes, "Good new, comrades! Steel production is up, and has exceeded quota according to the five year plan!"
Am I just cynical? From Reuters, with thanks to Jeff Imm:
Pakistan has broken the back of terrorism in the country, killing and arresting hundreds of militants and destroying the structure of their organizations, the president of the Islamic nation said Thursday.Pervez Musharraf, who survived two assassination attempts by militants linked to al Qaeda just over a year ago, said an army offensive in semi-autonomous tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan had led to the capture of guerrilla bases and forced the leaders into the mountains.
Are there Potemkin guerilla bases?
"We have had tremendous success over terrorism. Their back has been broken and they are on the run," the president told an audience of government ministers, military and media at his official residence in Islamabad.
And then, no doubt, the audience stood for sustained spontaneous applause.
Today’s Jihad-related OT news and commentary..
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/williams022105.htm
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/joelmowbray/jm20050224.shtml
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17142
Bush needs to control the border:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050224.shtml
Susan, this one brings up what you mentioned on the co-jeter blog:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ollienorth/on20050225.shtml
Islamic propaganda.
Not one shred of statistical evidence or numerical assurance.
On the contrary here is an ever-growing numerical estimate:
"Adherents of militant Islam account for some 15-20 percent of the Muslim world..."
www.meforum.org/article/168
But why stop with these achievements?
Musharraf is now in a position to put in place a glorious five-year-plan, a quinquennium Musharraffi, which will guarantee not only a permanent end to all terrorism, but an end to all anti-Infidel and especially anti-American feeling. And that will be marvellous, for Pakistan is, according to polls, the most anti-American country in the world today (with Egypt a close second, and Saudi Arabia and Jordan jostling for third place).
Yes, he will end all anti-Infidel feeling, but it will require a bit more money each year. Can America spare, not a dime, but $5 billion or $10 billion or $50 billion more over that period? After all, it has spent $300 billion to make Iraq safe for Infidels. Surely it would not like to lose that investment by stinting on paying for Pakistan. Look at what the $60 billion has brought about in Egypt. And since many billions of the amounts Europe and America gave to Arafat seem to have disappeared, wouldn't it be cruel for American and European taxpayers not to supply the "Palestinians" with more billions -- it wasn't the poor "Palestinians" who didn't keep track of the money, now was it? And besides, didn't Mahathir Mohamed win repeated applause for his call to build up the economies of the Ummah:
"In today's world we wield a lot of political, eocnomic and financial clout, enough to make up for our weakeness in military terms....We must ot antagonise everyone. We must win their hearts and minds...We must build up our strength in every field, not just in armed might. Our countries must be stable and well administered, must be economically and financially strong, industrially competent and technologically advanced. This will tqake time, but it can be done and it will be time well spent. We are enjoined by our religion to be patient. Innallahamaasabirin. Obivously there is virtue in being patient.
but the defence of the ummah, the counter-attack, need not start only after we have put our houses in order. Even today we have sufficient assets to deploy against our detractors....This is entirely poossible if we stop to think, to plan, to strategise and to take the first few critical steps. Even these few steps can yield positive results....
In any struggle, in any war, nothing is more important than concerted and coordinated action. A degree of discipoline is al lthat is needed. ..We need to think not just of our reward i nthe afterlife but also fof the world results of our mission.
The Qur'an tells us that when the enemy sues for peace we must react positively. True the t3reaty offered is not favourable to us. But we can negotiate. the Prophet did, at Hudaibiyah. And in the end he triumphed.
But to do so we msut get our acts right. Rehtoric is good. It helps us to expose the wrongs perpetrated against us, perhaps win us some sympathy and support. It may strengthen our spirit, our will and resolve, to face the eneymy.
Allah has not raised us, th eleaders, above th eothers s we may enjjoy power for ourselves only. The power we wield is for our people, for the ummah, for Islam. We must ahve the will to make use of this power judiciously, purdently, concertedly. Insyaallah we will tirumph in the end."
Genereal Musharraf loved that speech. All the Muslim leaders, including many on the American dole, loved that speech.
Forward, comrades of the Ummah.. We will triumph. Look at our subways. Look at our White Sea Canal. Look at all that Virgin Soil Upturned. A new and glorious day is beckoning. We have only to keep assuring the Infidels that we are defeating the "terrorists," and hold them off from seizing our nuclear weapons, and keep telling them to give us more aid, and build up our economies, becuase once we are peaceful and thriving and technologically advanced, and once we no longer feel "humiliated," and once they tear down all barriers to a decent and full and rich Muslim life, without constraints, in Europe and North America, we will be satisfied -- and by the time all that is done, well.... The Prophet at Hudaibiyya, remember, also negotiated -- and triumphed.
Victory will be ours. We are a patient people. We can wait. Infidels want immediate gratification. They want Peace Now. And that is exactly what we will give them: Peace. For Now.
Bring us bin Laden's head, Pervez, and then we'll discuss your "great victory".
You know - I read this and I also laughed out loud.
But then I had a second thought.
What if this story was not for us?
What if it was intended to demoralize internal Pakistan Islamist Extemists?
Yes, I know that is the optimistic view.
Did Baghdad Bob, Minster of Disinformation, get a new job – in Pakistan? It certainly sounds like him.
That Bob sure gets around. He was recently spotted at the UN in New York stating that what was going on in Darfur wasn't genocide.
The first clue I had that this was a lie is when in the very first sentence his lips moved...and they kept moving.....must be some kinda quota effort set up,sort of like cops and ticket writing quotas.
I love the anonymity surrounding the undisclosed locations, they must have that good looking false facade exterior sheathing they use in mosques.
We should expect an accounting on CNN tonight as to the slaughter in the jungles of Afghanistan coming from the Americans.
Seriously we would be hearing about those who would have fled and hopefully into the arms of U.S. soldiers.
Great sense of humour, that Musharraf has,
or is he whistling in the dark.
The Baloch independence movement would like to take some territory off his hands. If they weren't muslim, if only if only, they'd get my support, but the thought of creating another muslim vote at the U.N., no thanks.
Sadly, Musharraf is as good as it gets in Pakistan.
Nice OT today Gary. Not really, really anti-lib, but still completely OT. Of special interest to me was the opinion piece by the traitorous ex-Marine, Ollie "The Shredder" North. In it, he whines:
...Between 1979, when the Sandinistas marched into Managua, and 1990, when they were finally voted out of power, nearly 25 percent of Nicaragua's population became refugees. Ignoring the realities of what's happening today in Latin America invites a tidal wave of refugees fleeing north.
Fleeing "North" is right... how poignant that Ollie should lament the Nicaraguan refugees of the eighties, when it was HIM selling Stinger Missiles to Iran and Hezbollah and funneling the money to Nicaragua, which was used to kill 41,000 would-be union organizers and other "leftist" peasants. Gee, Ollie. I wonder why they fled?
And Gary, you said:
Susan, this one brings up what you mentioned on the co-jeter blog:
So why didn't you POST IT on the co-jet blog?
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Mike chatters: Bring us bin Laden's head, Pervez, and then we'll discuss your "great victory".
Oh Mike? Bin Laden didn't attack Pakistan; he attacked US. It isn't Musharaf's problem; it's OURS. Musharaf wasn't president when Raygun and GB Sr. were pumping billions of our tax dollars into Pakistan to stir up religious zealotry.
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And I agree with Mike, when he points out that
[Baghdad]Bob sure gets around. He was recently spotted at the UN in New York stating that what was going on in Darfur wasn't genocide.
Yeah, and he was wearing a Kofi Annan costume. The United Nothing is controlled by Muslims in general and Arabs in particular, and they say that it can't be genocide, because the Muslims are doing it; and anyway, the only genocide is the one heaped upon the poor "palestinians" by the evil JOOOOZ!
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The first clue I had that this was a lie is when in the very first sentence his lips moved...and they kept moving.....must be some kinda quota effort set up,sort of like cops and ticket writing quotas.
LOL... that echos my own pathetic thoughts.
KJ
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keith~ because I figured you'd miss it in your daily visit to the co-jeter blog. Also, the article is about future sites of terrorism/war, such as might have been written when Carter armed the Iranians in 1979.
Hugh:
Gary's lies and obfuscations infuriate me.
Reason: First (I have to be careful here). I have first hand knowledge of Operation Eagle Claw.
And the hostage crisis. Gary spewed lies as though they were truth.
I was at the time a special operator, a career officer until I retired a few years after.
I was also a conservative Republican, and to my chagrin (I believed his rhetoric and was ignorant of his actions) a supporter of Reagan and contributed to his campaign.
That aside it is Ronald Reagan, North, Poindexter, Weinberger et and the rest of the criminals (pardoned by Bush 41) that actually enabled Iran, the founder and financial supporter of Islamic Terrorism..e.g. Hizbollah, to survive and flourish. By providing weapons to Iran, via Israel, and an Israel businessman who made a fortune brokering the deal, to become the bete noire of Israel and the US, during the Iraq Iran War.
Without the approval and knowledge of the Teflon President, North, Poindexter, Weinberger et al, this chief source of Islamic terrorism would not be in business today. Saddam would have taken care of the Mullahcracy.
And Hizbollah would not be raising HYLL in Lebanon, Israel and throughout the world.
And Saddam, whatever he was, he was an apostate Muslim and on the hit list of the Muslim brotherhood, the Wahhabiyyah Saudis, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Iran.. all of whom benefitted with his removal, even Osama issued a fatwa against Saddam.
Are you up to some FACTUAL and objective investigation, analysis and discourse Hugh.
Gary certainly isn't.
Hugh:
Gary's lies and obfuscations infuriate me.
Reason: First (I have to be careful here). I have first hand knowledge of Operation Eagle Claw.
And the hostage crisis. Gary spewed lies as though they were truth.
I was at the time a special operator, a career officer until I retired a few years after.
I was also a conservative Republican, and to my chagrin (I believed his rhetoric and was ignorant of his actions) a supporter of Reagan and contributed to his campaign.
That aside it is Ronald Reagan, North, Poindexter, Weinberger et and the rest of the criminals (pardoned by Bush 41) that actually enabled Iran, the founder and financial supporter of Islamic Terrorism..e.g. Hizbollah, to survive and flourish. By providing weapons to Iran, via Israel, and an Israel businessman who made a fortune brokering the deal, to become the bete noire of Israel and the US, during the Iraq Iran War.
Without the approval and knowledge of the Teflon President, North, Poindexter, Weinberger et al, this chief source of Islamic terrorism would not be in business today. Saddam would have taken care of the Mullahcracy.
And Hizbollah would not be raising HYLL in Lebanon, Israel and throughout the world.
And Saddam, whatever he was, he was an apostate Muslim and on the hit list of the Muslim brotherhood, the Wahhabiyyah Saudis, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Iran.. all of whom benefitted with his removal, even Osama issued a fatwa against Saddam.
Are you up to some FACTUAL and objective investigation, analysis and discourse Hugh?
Gary certainly isn't.
'Manifesting the same misunderstanding of the real nature of Islamic radicalism that still dogs the State Department and other agencies today, Brzezinski embarked on a plan to strengthen Islamic radicalism for the geopolitical ends of the day. According to political analysts and Iran experts Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi and Elio Bonazzi, Brzezinski “instituted a plan to train fundamentalist Afghan Islamic mujahidin fighters in Pakistan under CIA supervision” — for which Carter’s successor Ronald Reagan is often blamed. Zand-Bonazzi and Bonazzi also point out that “the other major Islamist terrorist force active today is also the product of misguided policies of the Carter administration, which deliberately destroyed the Shah of Iran and allowed the Islamic Revolution to take place. Hamas and Hizbollah are direct emanations of the Islamic Republic of Iran, responsible for killing hundreds of Americans (recall the 1984 attacks on the US embassy and the Marine barracks in Beirut) and Israelis.” Although Hamas and Hizbollah existed before Khomeini, he was instrumental in their becoming and remaining significant forces.' ~ Robert Spencer, Front Page Magazine, Aug. 20th 2004.
...perhaps you also wish to argue this with Mr. Spencer, Giaour?
I too am old enough to remember the Carter presidency. What I recall is a man who came to power with many good intentions and was mugged by reality. By the end of his presidency he was altogether a hawk and ready to take whatever measures necessary to block (at the time nobody thought of defeating) the Soviet Union. He had also been bitterly disappointed by the Iranian revolution, and yes, I do remember Operation Eagle Claw - and I remember being impressed as Hell by Carter taking responsibility for its failure before the world (something I cannot imagine Reagan, the Bushes or Clinton doing). I do not think there are any easy partisan points to be made from his presidency, except that it is always a bad idea to imagine that your enemy - whether the USSR or the Muslim world - is as reasonable and devoted to peace as you are.
Wwar nerd did a great article on pakistan's so called war on islamist terror.
http://www.exile.ru/2004-April-01/war_nerd.html
As he puts it , "the Pakistani Army and Intelligence Agency (ISI) invented the Taliban -- and in Afghan military/political terms, Taliban equals Pushtun."