Policy Review has a lengthy piece by Mark Gould on jihad that is illuminating in many ways. One small extract:
Goldziher characterized the doctrine well: “Muhammad left his immediate achievements within his Arabian sphere as a testament for the future of his community: to fight the unbelievers, to extend not so much the faith as the territory dominated by the faith, which was also the territory dominated by Allah. The warriors of Islam had as their immediate concern the subjugation, rather than the conversion, of the unbelievers” (26-27). The same point is made similarly by Rahman: “Whereas the Muslims did not spread their faith through the sword, it is, nevertheless, true that Islam insisted on the assumption of political power since it regarded itself as the repository of the Will of God which had to be worked on earth through a political order. From this point of view, Islam resembles the Communist structure which, even if it does not oblige people to accept its creed, nevertheless insists on the assumption of the political order. To deny this fact would be both to violate history and to deny justice to Islam itself.”
That is, of course, precisely the point I illustrate from the Qur'an, Hadith, Islamic history, and ancient and contemporary Islamic theologians in Onward Muslim Soldiers.
Posted by: Paolo at February 2, 2005 08:38 AM
Really ?? Yes spelling is a fault of mine??
But did you read the story or what??
Ayatollah Khamenei took power during the lslamic Revolution in 1979. He said at the time Iran had several agreements with European contractors to build 23 reactors and that those agreements are still in effect.
I SAID THAT THE EUROPANS NEED TO TELL IRAN TO GET BENT!!!
LAST TIME I CK-ED RUSSIA WAS NOT EUROPEAN??
We see talk is cheep!!
I know that some Europeans are in this Fight with their big toe but this fight is not one to hedge your bets on??
http://www.zum.de/psm/rta/doa28.php
Reichstagsakten 1888/89, 7. Lp., Vol. 121, Attachment 41: Collection of Documents pertaining the Uprising in East Africa, No. 28: Directive to the Imperial ambassador in London
Friedrichsruh, October 28th 1888
It is to be desired that our agreement with England on fighting the slave trade and the import of weapons to East Africa will have the shape of an international agreement. Such a document would establish limits for the expansion of the continued expansion of the Muslim and slave trading movement, by the moral impression by the accord of the two European powers so far engaged there, and also, more propably, will lead to the cooperation of the other European states engaged. I propose the exchange of notifications between us and Britain, in which we take upon ourselves the obligation, under the condition (p.412) on an equal participation of Britain for the same purpose, to fight the anti-Christian and anti-civilizatoric movement which has emerged over the last years on the African continent, and to recognize the prohibition of the export of slaves and the import of arms and ammunition as the most effective means, as it is only the possession of superior arms ans ammunitions which enables the Arab and Muslim minority to undertake slave hunts and wars necessary to obtain slaves, and to keep up the superiority of their race in Africa's interior.
The slave trade and the initiative Britain has taken to combat it, have been origin and incentive to the union of all elements interested in the matter, and which have made it possible to use Muslim fanaticism in the interest of this over one thousand years old tradition of African slave trade and to call on them for war. The effects of this movement, large and small, can be seen in the positions of the Mahdi, of Tippu Tip and in the rising number of murders of Europeans in Africa's interior. To transfer christianity and European civilization to Africa by armed force is not feasible because of the width of the country and of the climate. The indigenous population would be susceptible to the European efforts if it was not suppressed by the force of arms, the higher intelligence and the
cohesion of the Arab Muslims. We could outmatch the latter only, if we strike at the source of their superiority, superior armament and the realisation of their profits, by the suppression of the import of arms and the export of slaves.
Therefore I regard it a task no Christian nation should exclude itself from, to interrupt as far as possible the import of weapons and ammunition to Africa's interior and the export of slaves. This task shall be mainly taken care of by the two powers most interested in the Sultanate of Zanzibar, Germany and Britain; but to its complete solution it is recommended, to, soon, gain the cooperation of the neighbouring Portuguese government and of His Majesty the King of Belgium for the Congo Free State. It is also recommended to kindly ask the French government for their cooperation, in order to prevent arms import into the Congo area and in order to end the abuse of the French flag in East Africa by Arab dhows.
Your Excellency will request Lord Salisbury to confirm his approval with these opinions by a note to Sir Edward Malet, in order to cause the British navy to join in a concerted blockade of the Zanzibar coast, and, like us, but operating separately, to ask the previously mentioned governments to decree respective instructions.
signed von Bismarck
Your Excellency the Imperial Ambassador
Count von Hatzfeldt
http://www.zum.de/psm/rta/doa21.php
Reichstagsakten 1888/89, 7. Lp., Vol. 121, Attachment 41: Collection of Documents pertaining the Uprising in East Africa, No.21: Report from the Imperial ambassador in London
London, August 1st 1888
Cardinal Lavagerie, who arrived here from Algiers in order to advocate measures against slavery, yesterday held his first, much frequented lecture in Prince's Hall.
The Cardinal described his 30 years experience in the service of the cause of the liberation of slaves; during these years, 11 of his missionaries have been murdered in Africa's interior, more than 50 died from the exertion coming with their task. Still, the conditions in that part of the world have continuously deteriorated, and even in the high (p.408) plateaus of Central Africa where nature provides best for the population, slave traders have caused destruction. These slave traders would penetrate into the interior from Morocco, Tunis, Zanzibar and Egypt, at certain times and with considerable power, and would not be resisted by the demoralized inhabitants.
Cardinal Lavagerie suggested an international conference and proposed that the slave trade would have to be ended by force, and by encouraging the inhabitants to resist.
On the same occasion, Lord Granville reminded of the attempts made at the Congresses of Vienna and Verona to terminate the slave trade and expressed the belief that still today the various nations could agree on concerted actions.
This latter view has been accepted by the assembly in form of a resolution.
signed Hatzfeldt
His Excellency Prince von Bismarck
http://www.zum.de/psm/rta/doa8a.php
Reichstagsakten 1888/89, 7. Lp., Vol. 121, Attachment 41: Collection of Documents pertaining the Uprising in East Africa, Report from the Imperial consul general on Zanzibar
No.8, attachment no. 1, Report from District Chief of Lindi
Lindi, August 16th 1888
The Arab segment of the population of Lindi lives on the slave trade. All soldiers and Sultan's men are accomplices and receive their share in the robbery.
The main slave traders are :
Mahamadi Ngunga
Bachofa Hamed
Abid bin Zef
Halaal bin Zef
Salim bin Abdallah
Seliman, the Sultan's prison guard
Rashid de Pappa
and the Kadi Omani bin Jemali
The latter is given a large percentage for remaining silent.
British warships hardly ever have confiscated a slave dhow here and do not visit the port. Almost all the dhows sail under the French flag which they obtain from the consulate in Madagscar, as they have their ships measured there.
I remark simultanously that it is difficult to undertake anything here against slave trade, which is also profitable to the indigenous along the coast, without having a sufficient force at my disposal.
the district chief
Freiherr von Eberstein
YOU SEE WE HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE BUT THE STAKES ARE MUCH HIGHER THEN MY SPELLING OR THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST??
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NUKES IN THE HANDS OF MONSTERS WHO WANT CONTROL OF THE WORLD ??
IF YOUR FEELINGS GET HURT GET OVER IT GROW UP AS THEY SAY??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
John Quincy Adams Knew Jihad
By Andrew G. Bostom
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 29, 2004
“Unsigned essays dealing with the Russo-Turkish War, and on Greece, written while JQA was in retirement, before his election to Congress in 1830” [Chapters X-XIV (pp. 267-402) in The American Annual Register for 1827-28-29. New York, 1830.]
John Quincy Adams possessed a remarkably clear, uncompromised understanding of the permanent Islamic institutions of jihad war and dhimmitude. Regarding jihad, Adams states in his essay series,
“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.”
NOTICE THAT IT IS AGAINST ALL MANKIND NOT JUST JEWS AND CHRISTIANS??
Confirming Adams’ assessment, the late Muslim scholar, Professor Majid Khadduri, wrote the following in his authoritative 1955 treatise on jihad, War and Peace in the Law of Islam :
“Thus the jihad may be regarded as Islam’s instrument for carrying out its ultimate objective by turning all people into believers, if not in the prophethood of Muhammad (as in the case of the dhimmis), at least in the belief of God. The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have declared ‘some of my people will continue to fight victoriously for the sake of the truth until the last one of them will combat the anti-Christ’. Until that moment is reached the jihad, in one form or another will remain as a permanent obligation upon the entire Muslim community. It follows that the existence of a dar al-harb is ultimately outlawed under the Islamic jural order; that the dar al-Islam permanently under jihad obligation until the dar al-harb is reduced to non-existence; and that any community accepting certain disabilities- must submit to Islamic rule and reside in the dar al-Islam or be bound as clients to the Muslim community. The universality of Islam, in its all embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political if not strictly military.”3
And Adams captured the essential condition imposed upon the non-Muslim dhimmi “tributaries” subjugated by jihad, with this laconic statement,
“The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute.”
Indeed, the famous Shafi’i jurist of Baghdad, al-Mawardi (d. 1058), highlights the most salient aspect of the consensus view of classical Islamic jurisprudence regarding the vanquished non-Muslims “tribute”, i.e., the jizya: the critical connection between jihad and payment of the jizya. He notes that “The enemy makes a payment in return for peace and reconciliation.” Al-Mawardi then distinguishes two cases: (I) Payment is made immediately and is treated like booty, however “it does, however, not prevent a jihad being carried out against them in the future.”. (II). Payment is made yearly and will “constitute an ongoing tribute by which their security is established.” Reconciliation and security last as long as the payment is made. If the payment ceases, then the jihad resumes. A treaty of reconciliation may be renewable, but must not exceed 10 years.4 The nature of such “protection”, i.e., a blood ransom, is reinforced in this definition of jizya written by E.W. Lane, based on a careful analysis of the etymology of the term:
NOW YOU CAN HOPE THEY DON'T MEAN WHAT THEY SAY BUT HISTORY SHOWS THE OTHER SIDE??
Thanks to Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Catherine(the great),Susan_b,DC Watson and all do gooders who come here I know a thing or two about Jihad and I dont like it. I'm sure I could have used the time to do something else but since it became more evident that it was getting close to home I dove in.
Here's a link to a Canadian slaughter that was sanitized to avoid mentioning the Islamic connection to the 14 female students the Marc Lepine( nee: Gamil Gharbi) executed to stop females from taking jobs away from men that the Quran states is the foundation for the family.
Below is a mention of Gamil's violent middle Eastern father and it took 10 years for the media to dare point out the Muslim connection.
Here's the CBC article for the whole story about the Jihad that left 14 students dead just for being females in school taking up engineering courses to better themselves.
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-70-398-2237/disasters_tragedies/montreal_massacre/clip3
In 1999 the Toronto Star reported that Marc Lepine was born Gamil Gharbi to an Algerian mutual fund salesman who thought "all women were chattels." The article said Lepine's father beat him until he bled from the nose and ears and didn't allow his mother, a nurse and former nun, to console her son. It also reported that Lepine's mother was often "humiliated, smashed up against walls and beaten." Lepine changed his name in his teens.
P.S.
Doug Hooper is now Ibrihim Hooper and
is rooting for the other side that wants the USA to become an Islamic nation run by Sharia-Law to
put females in burqua's and take away their right to drive a car or go places alone.
It's all for their protection you know,Shria is liberating and females in Islamic Countries just love it and American Muslims are leaving in droves to migrate to those Nations with Sharia.