I just got this email:
Greetings.I happened upon your site pretty much by chance. I wonder whether you seek to promote understanding of Islam as a universal message for mankind, or perpetuate the current climate of fear and potential backlash among non-Muslims particularly in the U.S. whose perception of Islam and Muslims is molded by media, fanatical christian extremism, and anti-terrorism thinking.
'and anti-terrorism thinking.'
And this guy has what, a Pro-terrorism bent?
Speaking as a fanatical Christian extremist, Mr. Spencer, keep it up. Funny how it is assumed that we are all too stupid to understand Islam.
Universal message to makind of death, destruction and force from a cult of personality created to put one man into and keep him in power and to make excuses for his miss-use of power. That message is the past, it based on the control of the weak by the powerful and the wanton killing of those that have different views, maybe enlightenment will reach you?
Our message is one of universal human rights, for men, for women, freedom of religion, freedom of choice, protection against the powerful, the rule of law and protection of property rights, one people in a small planet in a huge universe, who want to live their lives free of injustice, death, destruction, and to be able to bring up their children, cuddle their grandchildren and die in their beds of old age having lived well.
Islam is not the answer its one of the problems along with corruption, cronyism, violence and general lack of respect for others.
I think there is a very good understanding of Islam here.
Looks like CAIR got in to work early today. Send them a Honeybaked ham and reward them for their work ethic.
OT I know but there's another great piece about the islamic threat to Europe over at melanie philips website. She quotes a British Hindu who sees a bleak future for a Britain caught between an increasingly pushy muslim population and a liberal mindset that refuses to see islam for what it really is.
Thoughts to consider in reply to the above email which stated, in part, the following:
Email: "I wonder whether you seek to promote understanding of Islam as a universal message for mankind.." STOP THE TAPE!
A universal message for mankind? It's precisely BECAUSE Islam considers itself a universal message for all of mankind which serves to underscore it's universal intolerance and is why the truth about it needs to be told.
Email: "... or perpetuate the current climate of fear.." STOP THE TAPE!
And because Islam believes itself to be the 'universal message for all of mankind', Islam's intolerance perpetuates the very climate of fear you are so worried about. A climate of fear for Infidels who must either convert to Islam, be enslaved, or get decapitated.. And for muslims who are forbidden to leave Islam under pain of death.
Email: "... and potential backlash among non-Muslims particularly in the U.S. ..." STOP THE TAPE!
This backlash you speak of Sir is BECAUSE of what Islam teaches, what Islam's so-called Holy men are out there preaching, and the horrific acts of violence and wanton destruction committed by followers of Islam which has got average everyday people very much concerned, and rightfully so.
Email: "... whose perception of Islam and Muslims is molded by media, fanatical christian extremism, and anti-terrorism thinking." STOP THE TAPE!
Yes.. People's perceptions ARE indeed molded by the media. How? Perceptions get molded when people watch others getting their head cut off by muslims, when they watch muslims holding a Koran in one hand and a raising a severed head in the other while shouting praises to their god, when they watch innocent children getting brutalized by muslims and then getting shot in the back while trying to save themselves, when the repeatedly see the carnage when muslim men, women AND children detonate their explosive laden bomb-belts in crowded market places intending to kill as many innocent bystanders as possible, and the list goes on and on and on. People aren't watching fanatical chrisians act this way. Blaming anti-terrorist 'thinking', which keeps people vigilant and on their toes so that they have a better chance at NOT becoming the next victim of the followers of Islam, is like blaming the Armored Car Company for hiring security guards. The sad truth of the matter is that ONLY the followers of Islam act this way and they do so over and over and over.
As such, your pleas for compassion and understanding from Islam's victims and from all the rest of us 'victims-in-waiting' serves only to heighten already valid concerns. Perhaps pointing your finger at the followers of Islam and lecturing them instead would better your cause of promoting understanding and alleviating any climate of fear. That is.. if that is indeed what you really seek to achieve.
I continue to give a large swath of North American Muslims the benefit of the doubt and see that in a number of cases, Muslims (including, granted, a lot of people who bear vaguely Islamic names and whose grandparents actually practiced the religion), can be more sinned against than sinning. However, I agree that it is important to have the ugly side of Islam raised in public fora. For too long, we have been too complacent about the importance of ideas, things of the spirit, and doctrine in driving human history.
Mr. Spencer, why don't you raise as well the ugly side of Sufi'ism? Americans are too complacent about mysticism being "nice" while "bookish", doctrinal religion is "UGH! fundamentalism!". After all, while Sufis in Washington dialogue with Quakers, Sufi-inspired Muslims in the Philippines long led the charge on "Christians, keep out" around the Sulu Sea and Mindanao.
Kepha:
Spencer has not exactly been sparing of Suffism or any other Muslim sect. Comments most often come up in the context of Suffi convert and anti-Wahhabist writer Stephen Schwartz.
Dear emailer,
The only people who are being beheaded are those who are regarded as infidels by muslims. The actions of these muslims are governed in the most literal sense, by their guide book to war, the koran.
Has there been a backlash against muslims despite 9/11, Madrid, Bali, van Gogh and assorted videod beheadings to the chorus of allahu ackbar? Well not that I can discern any. Though a backlash is certainly necessary or else civilisation is going to die.
I'd like the recent commenters to answer these questions:
How many Arab lives is a single American's worth?
Does Islamic extremism discredit Islam as a religion?
Do the Crusades, the Salem Witch trials, the Holocaust, Jonestown, the Spanish Inquisition, the Oklahoma City bombing discredit Christianity?
Greetings.
I happened upon your site pretty much by chance. I wonder whether you seek to promote understanding of Christianity as a universal message for mankind, or perpetuate the current climate of fear and potential backlash among muslims particularly in the middle East whose perception of Christianity and infidels is molded by media, fanatical Islamic extremism, and terrorism thinking.
Every Islamic country on the face of the earth is 1. a disaster or 2. on it's way to total self-destruction. Enough said, and it's not a "small" minority of extremists either:
"Adherents of militant Islam account for some 15-20 percent of the Muslim world...This means that more than 150 million people are part of the problem."
www.meforum.org/article/168
Quick response, as I am out seeking work:
Crusades ~ No, they were a response to 400 years of muslim incursions and slaughter on the Eastern and Southern borders of the West/Christianity. Yes there were excesses but notice Jihad is still going 800 years later. The Crusaders are Long dead.
the Salem Witch trials~ superstition among other things, which is Not part of the Christian thinking. Others can answer this in much better detail as I have little time...
The Holocaust~ was the product of an insane mind that went by the name of Hitler. He may have been born into a Christian family but he was NO Christian. In fact the nazis tried to Aryanize the Bible- Would they really need to make changes if it really taught those things?
Jonestown~ Like Koresh or the Heaven's Gate idiots, it was a Cult or Personality, not true Christian teaching.
My time has run out, so:
Discredit Christianity?~ NOPE.
I shall leave the rest to people who have the time to go into detail. But they will (mostly) agree, depending on their own learning and POV.
What "konrad" above fails to understand is that Jihad, whether employing terrorism or other weapons, including "wealth" or "pen, tongue" or the newest, demography, is part of the practice of Islam that is not tangential nor marginal, but central -- and to be easily derived from the tenets of Islam, as located in the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira.
It is absurd to bring up examples of the stupidity or wickedness of others if that stupidity or wickedness (Salem Witch Trials, Jonestown, etcetera) are entirely unrelated to some underlying doctrine that is actively being taught. If there is some necessary connection between Rebekah Nurse's punishment and Christian doctrine, let's hear it. if Bob Jones with his Kool-Aid based his nonsense for his True Believers on some deep and immmutable tenets of Christianity, tell us please what they are.
Ths Tu-Quoque stuff keeps being used by assorted True Believers in the Total Explanation of Islam. It gets a bit tiring.
Perhaps "konrad" should simply google "Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque" and see what he comes up with, and what he learns -- though one suspects all he will learn is that some damned Infidels have finally figured the whole thing out, and Qur'an, Hadith, and even Sira are on the Internet, and then there's Ali Sina, and Ibn Warraq, and a thousand other articulate ex-Muslms -- defectors from Islam -- and more everyday. And the apologists, despite the vast sums of Saudi money, simply keep running up against the evidence of our senses, including that which comes from reading, and rereading, the immutable texts.
Unless you wish to forbid non-Muslims from studying the theory and practice of Islam, or even reading the newspaper or turning on the evening news, it is going to be hard to continue to deceive them. And how do you keep, with each day, fresh apostates from stating, as many are now doing, what they know to be the tenets, and the mindset, of Islam? And when the Islamic Republic of Iran finally goes, that could mean, among the disaffected, millions or even tens of millions of people, permanently disaffected, and willing to testify as to what Islam meant to them.
"How many Arab lives is a single Americans worth?"
You have assumed that one American life is worth multiple Arab lives, but I would answer your question by saying how much was given to the victims of the Tsuami by Western countries as compared to Arab countries, I think that answers your question.
"Does Islamic extremism discredit Islam as a religion."
Yes, if Islam is a religion of course?
"Do (replace with Did for some) the Crusades, the Salem Witch trials, the Holocaust, Jonestown, the Inquistion, the Oklahoma bombing discredit Christianity?"
The Crusades, at times yes, but this was intially a response to Muslim aggression to conqured people in the Holy Lands.
Salem Witch trials, yes
The Holocaust, no, it was carried out by an extreme godless political party, the only thing Christianity can be blamed for is not shouting a bit more about it.
Jonestown, no idea?
Inquisition, yes.
Oklahoma, can't see the relationship.
Now I will ask you a question, Christiainity has moved on from the Crusades, Salem Witch trials and the Inquisition, while the West has moved on from these events and the Holocaust, has Islam?
Case and point: (gee there's nothing wrong with Islam - cough)
RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Gunmen from the ruling Palestinian Fatah faction broke up a meeting of the party about reform on Thursday in a fresh blow to President Mahmoud Abbas’s bid to end internal chaos and talk peace with Israel.
Some 30 militants from the al-Aqsa Matryrs Brigades group within Fatah, firing assault rifles in the air, stormed the meeting and drove out hundreds of Fatah members, threatening to kill them, smashed windows and chairs before themselves leaving.
Yes, Islam is the message for all mankind. So, lets see it put into action. Hey, Mr. Muslim, if you can show me muslim countries living in peace and harmony WITH EACH OTHER, with a good standard of living, with justice and content for all persons, then I'll accept your message. In fact, I might just even ADVOCATE your message.
Until then, I have to look at the plain reality: More muslims kill fellow muslims than the "occupying infidels" do. In fact, everyday muslims kill more fellow brothers than they kill of "invading westerners". How can anyone take that "message" of 'peace' seriously?
Sure, I know, the Zionist media, fueled by Christian Extremists are busy mis-representing all the peace that flows in the Arab lands. Lets not forget the Bush neuvo-Crusaders who are busy slaughtering thousands of muslims daily. Lets get real - when a solider is killed we hear about it endlessly here, with all sorts of leftie lectures about how wrong this 'occupation' is. So, the assertion about media bias is empty, and void. Take a good long look at your fellow brothers under islam, and answer one simple question - WHY DO SO MANY WANT TO GO LIVE IN THE WEST?
"Islam as a universal message for mankind?"
Uh, okay....
Honey, let's go feed the monkeys!
This individual Muslim e-mailer is indicative of the larger Ummah. The poisonous dogma in which he/she has been indoctrinated has nullified all ability to reason rationally. I believe this is true of many Muslims in the USA, although they often do not engage non-Muslims directly in their respective communities allowing this stealth cult to propagate unchallenged under the guise of "religion". Since jihad is a core element of Islam and thus inseparable from Islam, does the indiscriminate promotion of terror, murder, and totalitarian character of the entire 1400 year history of Muhammed's dogma merit first amendement protection of the US constitution? Does the Nazi dogma? American citizens and leaders continue to need the truth promoted here by Robert and Hugh and by others to expose the truth and condemn all that is totally against basic human rights and dignity.
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead - Thomas Paine
http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/leftovers/showpics.cgi?lesson_learned
Of course thay are your only two choices, are you not aware that Islam gives only two:
Dar e-Salaam - House of Islam or "House of Peace."
Daru 'l-Harb House of War.
Welcolm to the final conflict!
Do you have what it takes to stand against it?
Anyone heardf about this event and/or where mor details might be found:"In 1977, more than 130 hostages held in Washington, D.C., by Hanafi Muslims were freed after ambassadors from three Islamic nations joined the negotiations."
Darkwing~ I am guessing you mean this?:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/islam-hanafi.htm
http://www.hfienberg.com/kesher/2002/08/muslim-hostages-take-over-bnai-brith.html
http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/entry.cfm?id=28
Ahahahahahahahah. No way? Is this guy on drugs or what? Universal message of peace? In the form of what, a bomb? Deport them all back to Camel country and start building more nuclear plants and electric cars and solar buildings. In 50 years they can be back where they belong, peddling dates in their markets and reading their ancient texts.
Two more choices:
1. Deportation (for the muslims)
2. Demolition (for the mosques)
These choices are best exercised in tandem.
"Greetings.
I happened upon your site pretty much by chance. I wonder whether you seek to promote understanding of Islam as a universal message for mankind, or perpetuate the current climate of fear and potential backlash among non-Muslims particularly in the U.S. whose perception of Islam and Muslims is molded by media, fanatical christian extremism, and anti-terrorism thinking."
Hmm. OK, either you can 'promote' islam, or resist it (and no doubt become a legitimate target for jihad) by perpetuating 'the current climate of fear and potential backlash'. Convert or die.
What? No option of paying the jizya to live a second-class life under the 'protection' of sharia?
"I wonder whether you seek to promote understanding of Islam as a universal message for mankind"
A universal message as you perceive it but is it a good message or a bad one? All ideologies claim to be such a thing...remember Communism. It claimed to be the a universal message but was in reality a tool for massive human rights atrocities by evil despots. If you look at Islam the more it is applied by the state and fundamentally applied by individuals the more suffering and atrocities it produces. Can't you see this for yourself? I guess not which is disturbing.
"or perpetuate the current climate of fear and potential backlash among non-Muslims particularly in the U.S. whose perception of Islam and Muslims is molded by media"
Yep..we like a free media here in the west...it is one of the the only ways to get to the truth. Don't you like a free press then?
"fanatical christian extremism"
Where? There are no theocracies in the west as we have the seperation of church and state as a foundation of our civilisation. There are also no christian extremist organisations that are a signifiicant global threat to humanities freedoms unlike with Islam.
"and anti-terrorism thinking"
Hmmm...why would so many people equate Islam with terrorism? It is because it produces huge quantities of it. Don't ask me just look around the world at the moment. You should be able to see this for yourself without me telling you.
But then again you obviously don't see it which means you are not being rational and logical. That is a bad/dangerous combination.
Well, thank heaven some media organisations are doing their part to provide a more balanced view of the root causes of Islamic terrorism. Where would we be without the BBC to remind us that it's all our fault.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4340315.stm
The modern world has pretty much stopped fooling around with belief in witches a long time ago .....has Islam ????
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"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush..."
So what's the universal message for mankind?
GENOCIDE??
Konrad, if you are still reading here:
"How many Arab (read: muslim) lives is a single American's worth?"
You've missed a few other categories of people that your friends have been blowing up:
Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Bermuda, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Bulgaria, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Ecuador, Egypt, Estonia, Ethiopia, Faroe Islands, Fiji, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Guam, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Korea, Kuwait, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macau, Macedonia, Malaysia, Malta, Mexico, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Palestine, Panama, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Puerto Rico, Romania, Russia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, Zambia...
Now that's far from a complete list, but it does also include all the muslim countries where your comrades are blowing up your own.
So please do tell us: how many lives do YOU think are worth a muslim's? Is it really worth having the whole world stand against you for the sake of a false god (allah)?
Greetings Robert:
America's impression of Islam was shaped not by the media or christian extremists but by the horrors of Islam's attack on the United States on 9-11-2001. What you apparently don't understand is that 9-11 was a development result of generations of Islamic disciples plotting to exterminate the American people--Islam attacked the United States in 1794, 1801, plotted to attack the United States during WW2 deploying V-2 rockets loaded with nuclear explosives (in collusion with the Third Reich). 9-11 was the culmination of a series of attacks on US soil during the 1990s. How is it you missed all this?
You have got America exactly BACKWARDS. It is our understanding of islam that has created the image of Islam in American media that you decry. Americans know Islam is evil and that is reflected in the magazines and books dealing with Islam in their country.
In 1795, President John Quincy Adams read a speech to Congress stating that the islamic world was engaged in "an eternal war of extermination." And it is--extermination of non-Muslims or 'infidels.' In 1795, there was not the media and anti-terrorist thinking were not in existence. So you are clearly uninformed.
It evidently never crossed your mind President Adams and those like-minded could be ACCURATE IN THEIR ASSESSMENT of Islam. Consider the possibility....
No one in America will ever forgive Islam for 9-11. Not now. Not ever. And I will personally NEVER in a million years forgive you for that siding with something as horrid as Islam (something that has given humanity nothing but genocide and terrible suffering) and against a people that have given the world so much.
Why don't you consider Muhammed (the alleged founder of Islam) and his 'universal message to mankind' (here I quote attributed to him in the so-called 'Glorious Qur'an': "And when the sacred months have passed, slay the infidels everywhere they are found, besiege them, capture them, prepare for them each ambush..."). Do you suppose there might be a correlation between the mentality evinced in this passage in the Qur'an (of which there are at least 100 others at least as odious)and the 13 centuries of carnage Islam is responsible for? So it's not our interpretation that counts here, is it? It's the message of Islam that well counts-- and it's ghastly.
I am personally promoting Islam as an act conspiracy to commit murder and a conspiracy to commit genocide. Because that's what Islam ACTUALLY IS and it makes no bones about it. And Islam is a conspiracy that has laid hundreds of millions of innocent human beings in their graves (in addition to wiping entire civilizations) for no good reason at all.
The public is entitled to make what it likes of the true nature of Islam. If they choose to be 'scared,' 'religiously' inspired, or perceive it as a 'universal message' that is up to them.
If you think 'fanatical Christian extremists' (whatever THAT means) are behind the media's portrayal of Islam so what? The public has a right to know what Islam really stands for. And at least in America the people's right to know is being honored as is their right to act on it.
Sorry, chum.
No the reason we think this way is because of??
ALL THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACKS ON NON MULSUMS LIKE SHOOTING CHILDREN IN THE BACK BLOW-IN UP BUILDINGS?? AND NOW WE HAVE REASON BECAUSE OF READING THE BOOKS THEY STUDY ALL OVER THE WORLD??
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THESE MONSTERS KILL???
SHAME ON THE HUMAN RIGHTS LIKE WHERE WERE THEy ON THE 300,000 GRAVES OF saddam[yellow coward found in a hole don't shoot i'm a coward]THESE PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK BUNCH OF LIB'S!!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE THIS IS WHAT THEY TEACH THEIR CHILDREN!!!
The truth about what Mulsums believe??
Read and learn about the peace they bring to your door??
Tabari VII:148 “Amr said, ‘Let’s wait here until the cry has died down. They are sure to hunt for us tonight and tomorrow. I was still in the cave when Uthman bin Malik came riding proudly on his horse. He reached the entrance to our cave and I said to my Ansar companion, ‘If he sees us, he will tell everyone in Mecca.’ So I went out and stabbed him with my dagger. He gave a shout and the Meccans came to him while I went back to my hiding place. Finding him at the point of death, they said, ‘By Allah we knew that Amr came for no good purpose.’ The death of their companion impeded their search for us, for they carried him away.”
Tabari VII:149 “I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, ‘Who’s there?’ I said [lied], ‘I’m a Banu Bakr.’ ‘So am I.’ Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: ‘I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.’ I said, ‘You will soon see!’ Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad
Ishaq:434 “Amr and an Ansari waited until they were asleep. Then Amr killed them, thinking that he had taken vengeance for the Muslims who had been slain. When he came to the Messenger, he told him what had happened. The Prophet said, ‘You have killed men for whom I shall have to pay blood-money.’”
THE BLOOD MONEY IS TO CRY NOW ABOUT THE SUICIDE BOMOBERS WELL THEY ARE THE MONSTERS DO NOT CRY FOR THE KILLER CRY FOR THE VICTIM DID WE CRY FOR HITLER??
TORTURE:
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
READ IT AND WEEP FOR THOSE WHO THESE MONSTERS HAVE KILLED BY THEIR BOOK PEAR,BERG,JOHNSTON,HENSLEY,BISLEY,HEAGAN,AND THE LIST GOES ON MANY IRAQIS MEN FROM NEPAL FROM THE PHILLIPENS AND JAPAN AND HOW MANY IN OUR LANDS??
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
AGAIN THIS IS WHAT THEY TEACH THEIR CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD!!
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’
YES THEY WILL NOT LET THEM BE FREE??
Qur’an 48:27 “If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
THIS MEANS WE CAN GIVE NO QUATER??
Qur’an 5:37 “The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.”
EXPLAINS ITS SELF
Tabari IX:6 “The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, ‘We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.”
THIS IS CAIR AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS THAT HAS BEEN SWADED BY THE MONEY OF TERRORIST??
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
SO TO THEM THE BOMBERS ARE DOING THIS
THIEVERY & SLAVERY:
Qur’an 8:1 “They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.’”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
SO THEIR BOOK SAYS ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO SLAUTER THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THEIR LAND
Tabari VII:64/Ishaq:307 “The Messenger of Allah gave orders concerning the contents of the camp which the people had collected, and it was all brought together. Among the Muslims, however, there was a difference of opinion concerning it. Those who had collected it said, ‘It is ours. Muhammad promised every man that he could keep the booty he took.’ Those who were fighting said, ‘If it had not been for us, you would not have taken it. We distracted the enemy from you so that you could take what you took.’ Those who were guarding the Prophet for fear the enemy would attack him said, ‘By Allah, you have no better right to it than we have. We wanted to kill the enemy when Allah gave us the opportunity and made them turn their backs, and we wanted to take property when there was no one to protect it; but we were afraid that the Meccans might attack the Prophet. We protected him so you have no better right to it than we have.’ When we quarreled about the booty we became very bad tempered. So Allah removed it from us and handed it over to His Messenger.”
SO HE WAS JUST GREEDY
Ishaq:307 “The ‘Spoils of War’ Surah came down from Allah to His Prophet concerning the distribution of the booty when the Muslims showed their evil nature. Allah took it out of their hands and gave it to the Apostle.”
SO MO-HAM-OD THOUGHT MULSUMS NOT AS TRUE FOLLOWERS??
Bukhari:V5B59N541 “When we conquered, we gained neither gold nor silver as booty, but we gained cows, camels, goods and gardens.”
Tabari VIII:12 “When cities were conquered Muslims used to say, ‘Conquer for yourselves whatever seems good to you because all treasures were given to Muhammad.’”
Qur’an 48:19 “He rewarded them with abundant spoils that they will capture. Allah has promised you much booty that you shall take, and He has made this easy for you.”
THIS IS WHY THEY GO TO FIGHT THE IRAQI PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY WANT THER LANDS!!
PEACE, ISLAM STYLE:
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.’”
Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.”
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST??
Qur’an 9:3 “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Pilgrimage is that Allah and His Messenger dissolve treaty obligations with the Pagans.”
WHO ARE THE PAGANS??
Tabari VIII:17 “The Muslims and polytheists stayed in their positions for twenty nights with no fighting except for the shooting of arrows and the siege. When the trial became great for the people, the Messenger sent for the leaders of the Ghatafan [Meccan comrades]. He offered them a third of the date harvest of Medina on condition that they leave. The truce between the sides progressed to the point of drawing up a written document, but there was no witnessing or firm determination to make peace; it was only a matter of maneuvering.”
WHAT THEY TEACH
.” Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but...] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
SO THIS IS TO KILL WHO??
Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men. As they were being taken in small groups to the Prophet, they said to one another, ‘What do you think will be done to us?’ Someone said, ‘Do you not understand. On each occasion do you not see that the summoner never stops? He does not discharge anyone. And that those who are taken away do not come back. By God, it is death!’ The affair continued until the Messenger of Allah had finished with them all.”
YES THIS IS THEIR PROPHET??
RACISM:
Ishaq:243 “I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.” [9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”
SO WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN AFRICA IS NOTHING NEW THEY HATE BLACKS AND WANT THEM DEAD IF NOT SLAVES AND YESS THEY ARE THE ONES WHO SOLD BLACKS AS SLAVES!!
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’
SO NASSEEM WAS FUL OF SH-T THE OTHER DAY WHEN SHE SAID THAT THEY BEILIEVE IN JESUS AND HAVE THE SAME GOD AS CHRISTIANS!!!
Sorry Robert couldn't help myself must be the paint fumes??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS
Just from a little nic's what ever that is??LOL
Posted by: pythagoras at March 11, 2005 03:15 PM
You forgot the Fighting in the Phillippens befor the pleage of Flue that killed so many??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Victory[FREEDOM] to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen
Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at March 11, 2005 08:25 AM
Gold Star for you today!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
Mr. Spencer,
I commend you on not promoting hatred and death as a universal message for mankind.
Belisarius,
Dead on. The `choices` always seem to be: i) `will you not embrace islam and help it?` or ii) `oh! so you will resist islam? then you are the target of jihad` (the definition of resist appearing to encompass `not join` to `have doubts about` to `argue against` to virtually anything not encompassing i), above). This is political maneuvering and it must be matched, act for act, word for word. What`s not recognized is that ii), above, does mean everyone who doesn`t join islam, sooner or later.
I`ve already started in on more people about this. Nice, casual comments: did you know they can put you to death for converting from islam all over the Middle East and south-east Asia? Would t`were that this were merely hyperbole, or deceit. Unfortunately, it isn`t. Most people are really not ready for the truth.
Geoff
Muhammad's cult may be a lot of things but one thing it's definitely not: "A universal message for all mankind" That notion is laughable and is purely a Muslim head trip. Muhammad lead a life of murder and evil and has no universal message, not an uplifting one at any rate.
Catherine, "nics" is your handle or nickname.
Anyone that has not read the brilliant speech by Mr.Haim Harari should certainly do so. Although it's been circulating for about a year, some recent visitors to this site may not be aware of its existance. It's outstanding and fits with what this site is about. The title is..."A View From The Eye Of The storm".... Search engine the title to get to the piece.
Konrad:
Your method of equivalence would suggest that Buddhism is responsible for the genocide caused by Pol Pot and his henchmen. There is nothing in Buddhism that would support the excesses of the Khmer Rouge, and there is nothing in the extreme pacifism of the teachings of Jesus to support Nazism. OTH, when one considers the koran quite a different picture emerges. The carrying out of war for loot, booty and the capture of women, is one the central message of the koran as promulgated by its so-called prophet. Jihad is mandated to you - so says the koran.
In your writing one detects a distaste for what you see as muslim bashing on this site. It is a honourable view and does you credit. I too would be disgusted if what was on this site was a total fabrication. I beseech you though to read the koran, compare with what the Jihadis are doing and the message from the mosques in Mecca and other places, and then come to an honest conclusion.
In the meantime do read this site
www.faithfreedom.org
You can also post on this site if you wish to discuss with Ali Sena on any aspect of islam. He is quite obliging.
In 1795, President John Quincy Adams read a speech to Congress stating that the islamic world was engaged in "an eternal war of extermination." And it is--extermination of non-Muslims or 'infidels.' In 1795, there was not the media and anti-terrorist thinking were not in existence. So you are clearly uninformed.In 1795, President John Quincy Adams read a speech to Congress stating that the islamic world was engaged in "an eternal war of extermination." And it is--extermination of non-Muslims or 'infidels.' In 1795, there was not the media and anti-terrorist thinking were not in existence. So you are clearly uninformed.
Pythagoras: Isn't that around the same time that Thomas Jefferson was busy around the Mediterranean sea to buy back American slaves from the 'Algeriens'- ??
Funny that the president then was more open about it and clearly called a spade a spade!
No 'war on terror' then! The sooner we call Terror by its real name, the sooner we can fight it in the real way!
It goes to show that those who forget their history are indeed forced to repeat it. 1350 years we have been fighting the Muzzies. Now, thanks to Arab oil $$$'s we have been opening the floodgates for them to underwander and infiltrate our societies, and all in the short span of 50 years!!
The Muslim Emailers message is pretty clear.
l. A not so veiled threat
2. Yet another play on the fatal weakness of western (Judeo Christian cultivated) civilization...quilt.
And quilt is our fatal weakness and the Muslims know that.
As the west is defined by guilt so Islam is defined by arrogance.
Here is just one of thousands of current examples (in the Armanious murders) Muslim leaders seek bias crimes prosecution in anti-Islam comments Talking of Chutzpah.
I'm more than halfway through Paul Fregosi's,Jihad, (recommend for all), just finished ibn Warraq's The Quest for the Historical Muhammad.
Fregosi's book is a wake up call to all (right and left) you see, a subtext to the history of the Jihad in the west was the craveness of various Christian leaders and populations. Incredibly they fought against each other, while the Muslims overran Europe (West and east), and some even solicited Muslim help in their internecine warfare, and others were bought off.. greed and temporary power which brings to mind the betrayal of the west by the Bush Blair collective, such as lightly touched on by Paul Unger in
Jihad funded by American dollars, and approved by the Bush Cheney Blair cabal. Muslims get special treatment in England AND America. Prince Bandar is known as Bandar Bush, sleeps in the Lincoln Bedroom.
Baker Botts (Bush Family law firm) and Pappy Bush are business partners with the Saudis.
I saw Bill Cohen (Reagans Secretary of Defense) being interviewed by Jim Zogby on Viewpoint today, Bill is a member of the Center for Strategic and International Studies discussing his latest committees paper and recommendation to Bush. From Conflict To Cooperation: Writing a new chapter in US Arab Relations which includes "sensitivity" : listening to the Arabs and increasing Arab Immigration to the US, especially for educational purposes, poor things don't feel comfy here since 9-11.
And we all know just how much they love and appreciate America after they visit, just like Sayyid Qutb, or Bin Laden or the rest of the Muslim Brotherhood who came, saw and went back to strengthen the Jihad (probably because American women taunted them with their sexuality, but wouldn't sleep with them, poor things).
Point is we are being sold out top down, and not just the Dems or the bottom up lefties, but the top down "conservatives" and businessmen.
PS. Wasn't ex Secretary of Defense William Cohen, under Reagan, indicted for selling weapons to the Ayatollah Khomeini in that scandal Iran Contra, which also included another right wing Icon or two like Ollie North.
Shades of Andalusia.
Greetings.
I happened upon your site pretty much by chance. I wonder whether you seek to promote understanding of Islam as a universal message for mankind, or perpetuate the current climate of fear and potential backlash among non-Muslims particularly in the U.S. whose perception of Islam and Muslims is molded by media, fanatical christian extremism, and anti-terrorism thinking.
Posted by Robert at March 11, 2005 07:02 AM
I think the poster found Jihadwatch and assumed it was a pro-jihad site. After skimming some of the articles, he was shocked and appalled to see the truth about his death cult staring him in the face; Islam's carefully guarded secrets in black and white.
But to address his arrogant (typical muslim hubris) queries, I think it's fair to say that this site isn't here to convert infidels to Islam.
Our "perception of Islam" is molded by muslim behavior and discourse; Islamic canonical texts; and the rhetoric and explications of Islamic clerics/scholars.
What is "fanatical Christian extremism?" I haven't encountered that phenomenon. What's the matter Mr. muslim, is Christianity a tough nut to crack? Do you think sane, religious Christians would abandon Christianity for its antithesis, satanic Islam?
The dhimmified news media are Islam's best friends, next to the left-wing nihilists. These disgraceful appeasers, apologists, moral relativists, and ignorant, multi-culti ideologues are as guilty as muslims of whitewashing Islam and presenting half-truths or whole lies to the unsuspecting public.
We are well aware that Islam is a terroristic ideology; I won't call it a religion because that is a disingenuous appellative. But suffice it to say, civilized people (non-muslims) do not support terrorism, so we're guilty of "anti-terrorism thinking."
When your pious brothers commit another Islamic atrocity against the U.S., you'll see backlash against muslims and Islam that will blow your mind.
Hate to tell you, but we aren't deaf, dumb, and blind. We understand Islam; we know why muslims are in America, and we're ready for the jihad. And uh, by the way, we're not as "refined" as the Europeans so the "universal message of Islam", (pardon me while I gag) just lost its cosmopolitan allure. Most Americans will eventually recognize Islam for what it is, many already have.
"And guilt is our fatal weakness and the Muslims know that." Giaour
Whether guilt or an excessive propensity for tolerance and understanding, I agree that Muslims exploit this as a weekness of the West and specifically Americans.
I agree that both the left and the right are culpable... the left out of philisophical ignorance, and the right out of misguided expediency.
Hey Mahdi, check this point of his out too:
"potential backlash among non-Muslims particularly in the U.S. whose perception of Islam and Muslims is molded by media, fanatical christian extremism, and anti-terrorism thinking"
STOP THE TAPE!
More people as a % of total population have a negative view of islam in Sweden than the US.
I wonder why?
Geoff
Greetings all, I've been a regular reader of this site for a couple of years now, and until now, the analysis of Mr. Spencer and the regular contributors has been so informative, I've never really felt the need to add my 2 cents.
Now, Robert struck a chord with me. I've heard this sort of comment many times before from muslims who've recently moved into my community. I don't mean to digress, but its because of the rapid growth of muslim immigration to southern Ontario that I've taken the time to try to learn what they believe, and try to understand what their true intentions are. Now of course not all muslims accept terrorism or islamic government, but it seems that they are not as well informed about their religion as the extremists who make it known that islam is more than a religion.
After the 9/11 attacks, when I first wanted to learn about Islam; I did not just take the word of christian and ant-muslim web sites, I followed the links to hardline Islamic sites like al muhajiroun, a British based group that had their own english pages giving their scriptural reasoning for their interpretation of jihad as including suicide bombings against civilians.
You see Robert, the damage being done to islam's reputation is not by fundamentalist christians or muslim apostates. It comes from the words of your co-religionists who declare that the U.S., Israel, the West etc. are at war with islam, and therefore jihad is an individual duty of all muslims against the enemy(including their women and children)and that the end-game is a worldwide caliphate that will have all christians and jews living in dhimmitude.
So Robert, the climate of fear is coming from your side and you are expecting us to drop our guard. Unfortunately, many uninformed westerners are trying to do just that. I would prefer to wait until their is a sign of reformation in the muslim world.
"I'm more than halfway through Paul Fregosi's,Jihad, (recommend for all)..."
Great book Giaour. I read it in 2000, and it only helped to confirm my suspicion as to what was going on when the second world trade center tower was struck on 9/11.
Fregosi's detail of the fall of Constantinople is particularly good. It seems that Western Europe's rivalry with its cousins blinded them to the danger from islam - just as it does now.
The e-mailer should have ended his e-mail with:
“After I happened upon your site, I put my head back where it was, up my a**”
I’ve just had it with these people who live in oblivion.
“Coptic by birth, American by the grace of God”
Giaour:
Bill Cohen was Clinton's Secretary of Defense, not Reagan's. Reagan's was Caspar Weinberger.
Weinberger was against Iran-Contra but got stuck with the blame anyways:
http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/weinberger.htm
The Spanish Inquisition, which was an over-reaction to the conquests of Islam in Spain and was just as much political as religious. This was a terrible point in the history of Christianity, as many Jews were also killed. The Inquisitors sought purification. Why do you think Spain is no longer the Islamic nation that it once was?
The Spanish Inquisition, which was an over-reaction to the conquests of Islam in Spain and was just as much political as religious. This was a terrible point in the history of Christianity, as many Jews were also killed. The Inquisitors sought purification. Why do you think Spain is no longer the Islamic nation that it once was?
"Konrad":
'How many Arab lifes is a single American's worth?' This is such a slimy, phoney and dirty question in itself: 'No believer should be killed for taking the life of an infidel' says the Qu'ran.
And "Konrad":
The life of an infidel in Iran is annually valued, (correct me if I'm wrong it was here on JW not long ago)
Isn't it currently one fifth of a 'beliefers?'
We don't think in these terms. Don't even try to drag us to such a level, you scum!
'Truthdetector':
First of all, we are not 'co-religionists' on this site.
Second:
If we can damage and expose an evil cult that has murder, terror and Jihad as it's purpose of existence, then we will proudly do our best to stop them in the tracks.
Third:
It is not us who have declared "war on Islam"- Bin Laden is on record calling "all Muslims to the Jihad against the Jews and the Crusaders"- so don't give me any crap about us pointing the finger at the truth. He is your would be Khalif,isn't he?
For us to wait until 'there is a sign of reformation in the muslim world' is an insult! We don't want a "Muslim World" you sick piece of ......(fill in yourself)
Truthdetector, Robert's words were: 'I got this email' and 'These are my only choices?' I'm curious to know which of those struck a chord with you.
Geoff
Konrad, what is your definition of "Christian"? If you mean anyone who says he's Christian, or peoples historically associated with cultures that were once dominated by Christianity, I suppose you could stretch the definition to cover anything that happened in the Western world.
Interesting that you mention the Salem witch trials. Some years after, the colony of Massachusetts officially repented of the act.
While I admit that there's a lot of wrong done in the name of Christianity (we are the religion of repentence, not self-professed perfection); I would not include Jim Jones, for he was one of the pseudo-Messiahs against whom Jesus Christ warned us.
Something I don't understand: so many "secular humanists" (as if people who deny Christ can be heirs of Desiderius Erasmus, John Colet, and Lornezo de Valla) crow about how 19th century science routed "religious obscurantism", yet turn around and say that Europe suddenly got pious again in time to hold the Shoah. Could it be that certain post-Christian ideologies have just a wee bit of trouble accepting their moral responsibility for the age in which they live?
Indeed, Hannah Arendy noted that the masses of her day had ceased to believe in the Last Judgment, yet this did not stop them from creating an earthly facisimile of Hell (this is from her analysis of totalitarianism). For the record, I do not believe that one who denies the last judgment is a Christian.
When I see what Muslims are attempting to do to Western "infidels", for some reason the term "gaslighting" comes to mind:
"To "gaslight" someone is more than simply to create mischief. It means to manipulate a victim into questioning his or her own sanity and, if all goes well, to thereby actually drive the person insane. The term refers to the great 1944 suspense film "Gaslight" in which a greedy Victorian husband (Charles Boyer) conspires to convince his innocent wife (Ingrid Bergman) that she is going mad, the object being to make his planned murder of her (for her inheritance) appear to be suicide. Mysterious footsteps, "misplaced" objects, and inexplicably dimming gaslights (thus the title) are all part of his nefarious plan. As a slang term for subtly trying to drive someone crazy, "gaslighting" was first noticed by lexicographers around 1956, though the term probably actually appeared as soon as the film (which was enormously popular) did." (http://www.word-detective.com/071000.html)
As an infidel I would like to say to Muslims and their apologists - I'm onto you! Practice taqiyyah all you like but I am quite sane and nothing you attempt to do will cause me to question what I can quite clearly see to be reality. Judging from the increasing number of posters at this site, I would venture to say that plenty of other sane folks are onto you as well. In other words, a growing number of people will not be "gaslighted".
Belisarius,
You wrote:
"Fregosi's detail of the fall of Constantinople is particularly good. It seems that Western Europe's rivalry with its cousins blinded them to the danger from islam - just as it does now."
On the other side, there's plenty of muslim fitnah (e.g. Saudi Arabia vs. Iran on the battlefield of Iraq and many others). Why not use that?
As Hugh stated before:
Get your army out of Iraq and let the roosters begin their fight. Why spent more money to throw it in a black hole?
I like to drive my bike..a good steppenwolf, hehe!
NIPPON:
"On the other side, there's plenty of muslim fitnah (e.g. Saudi Arabia vs. Iran on the battlefield of Iraq and many others). Why not use that?"
Indeed. I would like nothing more for the ayatollahs and the Saudis to fight it out. Maybe that's the Bush admin's true plan for Iraq. However, I doubt they're that clever or farsighted.
Bush's foray into Iraq doesn't seem to have achieved much success. All he's done is manage to replace one brutal dictatorship with an islamic controlled government, all the while wasting precious American lives and capital that could be better used elsewhere.
I don't know whether you know Peter Scholl-Latour, a Franco- German journalist who sometimes makes insightful remarks...I guess his books are not translated into English. He served in parachuter after the war and predicted the American retreat in Vietnam
He knows many of the big cheeses of the Islamic world personally such as Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Ruhollah Khomeini and many others.
His main point: fitnah! fitnah! fitnah!
There are also predictions that by the time of 2020 the ME will run short of water and a ton of water will probably have a price as high as a barrel oil. There could be a water war between Turkey and Iraq about the waters of the Euphrat and Tigris rivers
So, what would be a good strategy?
BTW, Belisarius,
I've recently read an article about the spreading of aids in Iran do to the Shiite practice of pleasure marriages which can last several hours. A hardly disguised form of prostitution.
Here's the link for our Muslim Readers.
http://www.alwatan.com.kw/default.aspx?page=1&topic=213718
And I've also read about the increasing number of drug addicts because of the import of heroine made in Afghanistan which was going on even under the Taleban regime.
This article describes the use of the pleasure marriage in Bahrein, a state with a Shiite majority.
Nippon: "Heroin" is a an opiate drug, and Afghanistan has long been one of the places where opium poppies have been grown. A "heroine" is a brave woman or girl.
As for Bush's Iraq intervention, my guess is that it was a matter of OBL's people and Sodom Insane's people being in contact while OBL was holed up in Khartoum; Sodom's "catch me if you can" game with the UN weapons inspectors, and the funding of the families of the Falastin Arab suicide bombers that probably tipped the scale.
And, do you suppose that CAIR would've condemned the terrorist attacks in Iraq had it not been that the terrorists are probably losing?
Kepha:
What you are throwing to this troll is like feeding pearls to a swine. This fool wouldn't know any of these people you mentioned and he couldn't respond to the subject matter. It is unlikely, that you ever hear from him again.
But I also admit it is fun to see what these mental flatliners are coming up with!
My favorite is Zman! He wrote me something like: "Don't look at the terror we (Muslims) cause, just read the manual, the Qu'ran..." (he put it a little bit different but that was the message!)
Where are you Zman? I miss you Zman, can you hear me?
Crack me up, mate!
Please read this about Spain:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/csm/20050311/ts_csm/oanniversary&e=4
Nippon:
You expressed some interest in my musical exploits:
2 studios turned me down for the 'controversial' subject matter.
The third one I could only book between X-mas and New Years
(so I did this song in one go, guitar, bass and singing in ONE take in the first hour of recording!
And the sound engineer with whom I did the recording phoned me today telling me that 'he has kids' and that therefore he is no longer available to work with me on songs like "Abu Hamza" or "put a bomb in your shoe" - the story about Richard Reid. I have another 10 songs to go, but you hurt my feelings!
I tried to engage Pavarotti but he turned me down too, so: Are you going to sing?
Kepha,
sorry..was a bit late..but I could improve my English if, say, you would provide me with a room for one year at your home and let me devil your poor family with my awful accent, hähä!
Terminator,
sorry again, I didn't want to hurt your soft feelings.
Wow! you are a natural talent! Know a lot of guys who have studied sound engineering but they wouldn't get so far.
Thanks for your question: Yes, I'd like to do that but I only used to sing in a boy's choir..err..20 years ago?
Well, Pavarotti would't fit in, you know, phatman used to be on stage for Eurabian events at "arte" and tv5. So I guess he's playing (hope not scoring) for the other team.
Terminator: in which country? (studios)
Hei, Terminator!
I'm gonna manage that for you..just send me the lyrics and the tune and then we can produce it secretly over here in Krautland.
Kepha,
I don't care about CAIR. I read a lot about Khomeini the last days and i cannot vomit as much as I could eat.
We Euros will go the Serbian way. Just preparing..
Come on! ..cannot eat as much as I could vomit.
Kepha: Al-Hamdu Allah, Shookran.
Yeah, where the hell is zman? I haven't heard from his weasley ass in a while.
Nippon: Don't know what Nippon means, but Guten Tag, Vegates. Be careful I know you don't want any Muselmanner to find you(sorry I don't spell well, I think I need to rent a room from you for a while) Did you guys finally get tired of all those damn Turks in your country? And about the Serbs, as an American I feel totally ashamed of the U.S. for bombing them out of one of their few chances to take back their homeland. I see why the Europeans sat back and did nothing, so that the Croats and Serbs could get a little payback and some land as well, but Clinton had a distraction to make for his scandel, and ain't that a biotch. Let me know when you Euros are ready to pounce, I'll be in Berlin tommorrow with my rifle and teflon ready for the march.
I have a question for anyone who can answer, where do these discussion subjects go? Every couple of days I come back and I can't find them anymore. Perhaps I'm too stupid to find them but someone, please help.