Maria Sliwa updates this article. "Ignoring Muslim Murder on U.S. Soil" in FrontPage:
It's a fearsome prospect: Christian proselytizing may have caused the murders of four Coptic Christians slain last month in New Jersey. Relatives of the murdered family, as well as key figures in the American Coptic community, think so -- and believe the brutal slayings were a warning not to proselytize Muslims. They say that the body of the 15-year-old daughter, Sylvia Armanious, was the most viciously attacked in the killings. Was it because she was too vocal in sharing her faith or was it a robbery gone bad?"Sylvia talked about Jesus to everyone," her uncle Ayman Garas said. "She was extremely religious."
On Jan. 14 the bodies of Amal Garas, 37, her husband, Hossam Armanious, 47, and their daughters Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were found in their home bound and gagged with puncture wounds to their throats. The unsolved murders were thrust into the spotlight again earlier in February when the relatives of the victims went to Washington to meet with lawmakers and hold a press conference to put an end to rumors about why the family was murdered and to ask for a fair investigation.
"We aren't looking for trouble, we are just looking for the facts," Emil Garas, an uncle of one of the victims, said.
This week, Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio told reporters that someone using Hossam Armanious' debit card removed thousands of dollars from several of his accounts during a string of ATM visits in the days following the murders. Yesterday, DeFazio announced that it may be unlikely investigators will be able to decipher the license plate of the car used to make the ATM withdrawals.
Many Copts believe that conversion sparked the murders....
When asked today about the progress of the case, the Hudson County Prosecutor said: "We believe based on our investigation that it's a financially motivated crime of robbery and greed. We doubt that it has to do with extremism. Nothing is being discounted, but it does not appear to the various law enforcement agencies working on the case to be religiously motivated."But according to Robert Spencer, the director of JihadWatch.org, terrorism and plunder often go together under Islamic law. "It isn't necessarily an either/or proposition," Spencer says. "It is lawful under Islam to kill and seize the property of those who war against Islam."
Spencer says he obtained information, from sources close to the murders, that the Halal butcher had planned the killings for months and that several of his accomplices are still in the country. Spencer says police are investigating. But when DeFazio was asked about the information his office was provided, he said: "None of that was given any credence by any law enforcement agencies. Our office has not received any names." But Spencer gave the Hudson County Prosecutor's office very detailed information (names, locations and phone numbers) of the alleged murderers and their accomplices. When reminded of this, DeFazio then said that he did receive this information, but he appeared uncertain if all those named were questioned before this avenue of investigation was closed.
DeFazio is certain about one thing. All talk of religious extremism is off limits. "This case has nothing to do with religious extremism," he said. "And if you keep asking these questions, I won't continue with the interview."
Let me be completely clear: I am not claiming that the information I have is necessarily accurate. It is a lead that should be followed. And in terms of the motive and the method of killing, it makes more sense of the case than any other theory. But that still doesn't mean it is accurate.
But why the double talk? Why did DeFazio deny receiving names and numbers, when I gave them to his office a month ago, and then suddenly remember? Why was this information apparently discounted without a serious investigation? And why did DeFazio get so testy when questioned about it?
Maybe there is nothing behind this more than a prosecutor who is forgetful and bereft of social skills. But he keeps managing to raise more questions than he answers.
I am not easily sold on conspiracy theories, but when you see how the Saudis spread their influence by buying into the news-channels, (MSM) how hey buy journos, polit-props and favors left and right to further their cause, then we are really in deep s*#t!
This De Fazio must have had some clear warning not to follow the obvious leads! SOMEBODY must have wispered something in his ear!
Like: 'Do you wanna get your children through college, do you wanna see riots like in LA? Or do you wanna end up like the Copts?'- And finally, there is always the $$$$$$ question:
Was he bought off or was somebody higher up paid some real dollars to make this case go 'off limits'....?
When I watch CNN these days I feel I am watching the weather channel. Nothing but crap and no substance. What do you expect when Al Waleed 'invests' 1.2 billion?
An arrest was made two people in custody:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149434,00.html
I presented this yesterday in an off topic post; it belongs here so I post again:
An important contrast between the recent murder of judge Lefkow's family and the Armanious case.
Take a look at this latest story from CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/03/schuster.column/index.html
There is no problem discussing 'hate' sites on the Web that gloat over these murders; and no problem introducing the speculation that white supremicist groups are behind this horrible crime.
Why can't the same thing happen in the Armanious case? Why the obvious double standard? Why can't the media and the investigators say, 'Muslim extremists might be behind this'? Why?
JTF and others.
I have noticed that CNN carries a hell of a lot of advertising from arab/islamic countries.
This I am sure why some subjects are not discussed.
The same is true of the BBC, the director or ex director has a son who converted to islam.
We have a goverment minister who's son has converted.
My feeling is that law enforcement, and prosecutors as a rule don't like to share their gathering evidence with outsiders for fear of tainting what ever chain of evidence they are developing in a murder case.
The reason Hudson County Prosecutor Defazio does not go down the road that this crime was committed by fundamental muslims is that he chooses not to bias the case openly in that direction so as to not only taint evidence but also to show that he proceeded with an open mind in the case.
By taking this approach, it will play better when it comes to court in showing that he exhausted all possible avenues without eliminating any of the other possibilities.
Prosecutor Defazio is smart enough to know that defence lawyers will jump on his case in court in a heart beat if he shows a direct focus on this as being a anti-semitic hate crime. They will accuse him of wearing blinders as he pursued the chain of developing evidence.
This is why he keeps us at arms length while he gets to the solid evidential truth of the case that he will try to bring to a jury.
I can only hope and pray that Mackie is right in his assessment of Defazio.
This whole case smells of Islam!
Fox News has picked it up?? EXCELLENT.
The word is getting out.
Geoff
Apostate:
You might want to check out FrontPageMag.com for a recent post by a Dr. Erenfeldt (can't remember her first name and not sure of the spelling of the surname), an American who is being sued by an extremely rich Saudi in the UK for defamation because she wrote a book that outed him as a major funder of terrorism. I believe there was an inference of a significant business interest in CNN (not just the purchasing of "public service" broadcasts, and other propaganda).