"Only last week I was in a cab and the driver was listening to a speech encouraging people to go to Jihad across the globe"

" I never felt this type of extremism in Jordan. People there are just more aware and skeptical of whatever ideology comes their way. "

Where is Zarqawi from? Where is the suicide bomber that sparked all of the anti-Jordanian protests from? She sounds as surprised as the Saudis were when the rabid dogs here started biting the hands that fed them.

For a journalist, she does not sound very observant.

doe'snt matter about locales because they are everywhere planning things in that peanut brain of their's.be on alert every where you go and if something seems funny report it immediatley.

All free nations cannot afford to ignore these ever looming threats, they cannot appease the followers of these militant and totalitarian tenants of Islam as we did when the wave of Nazi Germany reared its tsunami type head. It is there and it is coming at us. The western world must define its foundations and its values and hold firm to them without any reservations. Democratic societies must continue to grow stronger ties to each other with a unity of purpose in confronting and defining this enemy wherever it raises its ugly head.

Here's a link I found on the topic of "Jihad" and "Khilafah".

This is where I found the promo article about the "Muslimfest" in Canada and the Youth Classes
that teach them to obey the Quran and fight for an Islamic State in Canada or to make it an Islamic Country run by Muslims.
It stated that Jihad is a struggle to attain Islamic rule and Martyrdome may be needed to spread Islam for Allah.

http://www.islamic-world.net/

What is there with our stupid politicians who are too blind to see that Islam will never change yet continue to thrust Multicultural suicide upon us??

Now tell me again Mr.Hooper that "Jihad"
isn't a outward struggle to spread Islam.

Here's one more link from my posting above.

http://www.islamic-world.net/youth/jihadwomen.htm

Morgane, I am reading Paul Sperry's "Infiltration". I can't say it is uplifting, but it is certainly eye-opening. The way our government has allowed islam to insinuate itself into top level positions is scary. All I can say is the voice of islam is the hissing of the serpent...and our government is mesmerized.

by definition 'jihad' means holy war, and is not in any
way an attempt to spread Islam, it is infact an attempt to protect islam, only when threatened.

and by the way to all of you finding articles on the internet and then analysing them and making unfounded assumptions about Islam? anyone can post articles on the internet no matter how twisted, wrong or unpopular their ideas may be.

so when you read articles

"about the "Muslimfest" in Canada and the Youth Classes that teach them to obey the Quran and fight for an Islamic State in Canada or to make it an Islamic Country run by Muslims."

don't always believe what you read or that it represents the views of all muslims everywhere. Just as i would never assume your narrow-minded tripe represented the views of all non-muslims.

i think this website is a prime example of how small minded, ignorant people can express their views easily over the internet. if you want to spend time islam-bashing at least get your info from credible sources and not websites (not at all dissimilar from this one.)

Dear me (so to speak): you seem quite in a tither! Relax.

"by definition 'jihad' means holy war, and is not in any way an attempt to spread Islam, it is infact an attempt to protect islam, only when threatened"

Unfortunately, most of the above sources disagree. These quotes herein come largely from the Quran itself, the hadiths, or from islamic leaders and media. Who better to speak for islam than its own theological head, Mohammed? And yet, he is far from a perfect man, for obvious reasons. This is something that should be recognized right at the outset.

And who is to construe what 'defense of islam' might be? The freedom to spread unchecked by more rational theologies? The refusal to let people change religion from islam to some other, more equitable philosophy? The freedom as women, to lead prayer and be treated equally with men? As an external observer of all three major Abrahamic religions, I can say with utter certainty that there is one (islam) that I would never wish to be raised in, nor my daughters.

"and by the way to all of you finding articles on the internet and then analysing them and making unfounded assumptions about Islam? anyone can post articles on the internet no matter how twisted, wrong or unpopular their ideas may be"

I agree, many of the islamic scholars, muslim media outlets whose comments are posted here are indeed twisted and wrong people. Some of Mohammed's own opinions, regrettably, fall into the same category. But no one is suggesting that they represent ALL muslims. But what is needed is for more muslims to speak out against these leaders, against these media outlets, against the words of the Prophet. Let fairness and equality be your watchwords. Information about such things as the jihad classes at the Muslimfest in Canada (with the objective of forcing Canadians to become muslim) represent the leavings of minds that feel they have nothing to hide about their one-dimensional religious bigotry, or their narrow objectives regarding the host countries that graciously agree to accept them as immigrants and even citizens. It's hardly appropriate to blame this site for that.

In fact, this site is a 'prime example' of how people come together to discuss and oppose religious and racial oppression the world over at the hands of a hostile world view. It is, thus, the best of the internet; fighting oppression everywhere. You'd spend your time better opposing the imposition of religio-fascist ideologies in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Salaam,

Geoff

me, why is it that muslims always call those they disagree with "ignorant"? It is as predictable as the sun rising in the east.
How about these links?
http://www.islamicity.com
http://www.usc.ed/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/
http://muttaqun.com
Are these links acceptable?

try, try, again
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/

I believe Hugh said it well.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005416.php#c78007
I hope this link works.

Good point, Carolyn - "Me", as a muslim, can you specify in greater detail the high incidence of painting your ideological opponents as 'ignorant'? That is to say: do you find it to be i) an inherent feeling based on an emotional response to negative perspectives on your religion, or is it ii) more as a tool of argument that you use the aforementioned derogative?

I insist to you: I am NOT using this as a point of argument myself. I am actually GENUINELY interested in your response to this question.

Thanks very much,

Geoff

She appears to be a "hit-and-run" poster, Geoff.

To "Me"-

It is ignorant, superficial, name-calling, uninformed, flatulent, internet-using, dogmatic, simplistic, scabous, venal, bombastic airheads like yourself who give Islam such a good name.

Thanks for showing your creed's true colors:

'Hate thy neighbor in the name of Allah.'

Meanwhile, you ignore the core of the Koran:
that it decrees all women are stupid second-class beings worth only half a man; that lying to promote the 'truth' of Allah is an approved 'sacred' tactic of jihad; and that all but "people of The Book" must be exterminated.

And no further development of the human mind is allowed.

You can have this 'holy' brain cage.

And its pedophile 'prophet'. Henna hair and all.

I'll take the freedom to change my mind when new understandings are discovered and new powers unfold.

And will oppose those who try to kill righteous skepticism.

I guess ME is an acronym for Moron Extraordinaire?

Funny how you all get worked up when a troll comes in with the usual garbage. Most of them are simply dumb, others agressive, but Zman was my favorite.

Dear Me is just a twit who wants to present Islam as something which it is not. Sorry were not buying...piss off!

Give you a song on the way, and don't let the door hit you on your way out:

http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/winds_of_jihad.html

Actually, Terminator, this round of responses was more like we need to be doing. These guys want to make accusations? Slam them with all the evidence. Note that 'me' never came back, being incapable of answering. Either that, or a hit-and-run type who didn't really give a damn whether we answered or not.

Attn: me

I'm glad you brought up the credibility of information on the internet,several Islamic sites in Canada post outright lies by re-contructing
a media story to change the "Context" that will feed into the "Victim-envy" mindset of ungreatful
Muslims that mock our freedoms and paint the infidels as the root for all that's bad.

I'm not at my home PC but later I'll post the Canadian Islamic websites where I got my information.

BTW,is your claim of me being ignorant based on an "Experts" opinion?

Here's another link with the subtle reference
to Youth Workshops to educate Muslims for the Canada of the future.
It was a non-Canadian website dealing with Kalifah around the world that had a small "Promo'
article and a link to the event in Canada.
CAIR is the main proponent in Canada demanding Shariah Law for female Muslims during family disputes,Sheema Khan is with CAIR-Canada and also sits on a "Civil Liberties Group" Board and has
opined in the past that the Hijab is part of being a "True" Muslim.

http://islamonline.net/English/News/2004-08/08/article08.shtml

The ultimate goal of Islam and Muslims is to make the World an Islamic run society with Shariah
dictating the moral standards,this I got from Islamic websites and the Quran itself,so either Muslims are liars or the Quran is a lie.

NO CAIR - DON'T CARE

I see in here a group of confused, clueless and ignorant Americans that know nothing about what they're debating on. "they think they know but they don't" I thought this might be quite funny because I have been noticing the audience here likes quoting from qruan so I thought maybe for once it would be a part of quran that I have ever heard of.
Just like people here always complain about how used they are to Muslims always using American's ignorance as an advantage they have over them; allow me to complain about how sensitive you people are about this particular point. Is it that you know you have no knowledge what so ever in the field all the conversations here are on about? (Jihad control), or does it bother you that someone had enough decency to throw that right at your face and tell you that all the references and resources you've based the topics written here on are all written by people just like you? And then as a way of firing back at the poor helpless one different opinion that's ever written here (common between American extremists), you pathetically started pasting and posting web page addresses in here that supports your preaching, even though he/she has already made it clear that he/she doesn't acknowledge any of these sites as strong reasons the debate could be based on, first off, because they're not official reliable sources (Muslims in Canada asking for an independent Muslim state, and the rest of the nonsense posted as a reply), second off, which is more important than the first, it is not written by a neutral party. And third, and this one is actually a little funny, you posted these pages for the poor man/woman … why? I mean what was your point? What did you accomplish or prove? Yes, those are anti Muslim sites, so yes, all what they'll talk about are topics trying to show Islam as a blood loving cannibal that opposes human rights and blocks other opinions even if it meant exploding itself on a crowd just to kill opposes and to prove a point by the scraps of the dead bodies out of a suicide bombing operation, this way, you could dismiss a whole culture, and it's origins and roots by relating it to such a terrifying belief, which makes me wonder if you're any different than the things you accuse Islam of being. Is that where you want that Muslim to just throw away all his knowledge of his/her religion and go learn about Islam? Because I can pretty much see that's where you've learned all about Islam, and what I find even more pathetic is that everyone here points him/her self to be the biggest knowledge stream of all, about Islam and its history… all your stories are according to what you said prophet Mohammed has always been preaching, that I never in my life heard of. And when you ever start any topic you always relate to an Islam historical event that's never taken place.
Now I won't pretend to be a scientist in Muslim matters like majority in this site does, and I'm Muslim myself, and I won't deny that terrorism is an ugly face of Muslim radicals they show to you, and even to us Muslims, and I would understand that lack of knowledge of Islam gives people like you a perfect opportunity to dig your hatred for Islam in poor other people's heads, because Islam has been surrounded for too long and was never allowed to talk out (which I believe helped creating radical movements). But I'll say this; every action has a reaction. Just like Americans have the most capitalist imperialist terrorist government, trying to exterminate a whole race and religion that's done nothing wrong but having oil in its lands, those actions are called terrorism of state, which has blindly supported Israel for too long in all its policies against any other side it fought. As a furious reaction, Muslim radicals with Muslim beliefs they quoted from quran then explained it their own ways (just like you do), taking advantage of how related Muslims are to anything coming from quran, investing the anger created and fueled by constant unfair American policies against a whole race (or at least this is how radicals try to picture what's going on), they have managed to create the most radical organizations calling for Jihad against any intruder, and feeding their followers with facts about the American ambitions in their lands, in addition to American dollars you're American government have participated in creating such organizations with, just to fight against the USSR in Afghanistan, so it (the American government) reinforced them with all weapons, intelligence and media they needed back then because they served an American goal, and of course, who cares about what that might create in our lands as long as it's not American lands? It's just American interests that needed to be served, and to hell with all it might harm, even if sometimes it could lead to the fall of the biggest world trade center and the death of thousands of Americans (including approximately 300 Muslim American) and these movements had the most remarkable growth of activities in the state of your new administration. So just like you people have George bush, dropping bombs on innocent people's heads in the name of democracy and freedom and free well, we have Osama Ben ladden leading a group of terrorist self bombing killers attacking innocent people in the name of Jihad and freeing our lands from American ambitions, they both (Bush and Osama) trade in good words (freedom, democracy, Jihad and fight for the oppressed) to justify evil actions and ambitions. You once had the KKK just like we now have al qaada. Just like you have the most perverted sadistic freaks of Abu Ghareeb, who tortured Muslim suspects in ways you can only find in American BDSM pornographies, we have regimes with jails full of Muslims tortured for their beliefs to satisfy bush's administration. And finally, just like every Muslim fights to prove Islam innocent of all the actions done by a few of the Muslim population, I bet most Americans are fighting and trying their best to prove that they have nothing to do with you, prove themselves and their nation innocent from belonging to your ideals and racial way of thinking, that people like you are a minority hiding in websites like this, or in jails like Abu Ghareeb, the international opinion shouldn't pay attention to.
I say if you really want to leave any good impression on your followers, try to get some people with knowledge, and most important of all, BRAINS with at least a certain minimal limit of IQ prerequisite to talk about such sensitive subjects, and never generalize, because just like you do, a lot of Muslims could.

Wow, sworn. That's a long posting not to have a point in it somewhere.

"confused, clueless Americans" Now, don't kiss up to me, 'sworn'; it won't help and I don't respect it. =) Seriously, you might want to open your eyes a bit though and see where the posters here are posting from - the US, Britain, Australia, Indonesia, Canada, Europe, Russia. Lots of places. Didn't get the "sensitive about ignorance" part, or anything about how your argument related to it. Step back and re-formulate.

What you don't get is that whether or not "Me" likes those links or accepts them, or those interpretations, or whatever version of the Quran you personally have in your possession, there are muslims the world over who have this very view. This is, as you say, a case of "thinking you know, but don't". It hardly matters what your personal interpretation is, since you're not going out and killing people, nor shilling for it - right? What does "not official and reliable" mean to you? Certified by the CIC? It's amusing how nothing negative is ever 'reliable' in islam; I'm going to have to ask you to explain yourself on this. The people hosting the event sure seem to think it's reliable enough to post it - or do you figure that once everyone gets there they all just sit down and play "yahtzee" instead? Before the 9/11 attacks, 'sworn', I had no opinion of islam whatsoever. Then people just like you told me how good and kind islam really was and so I started reading up on it myself. What I read didn't suggest at all to me that islam was this incredibly peaceful and sensitive religion at all. And here we are today.

"all your stories are according to what you said prophet Mohammed has always been preaching, that I never in my life heard of. And when you ever start any topic you always relate to an Islam historical event that's never taken place."

Funny - most imams and islamic scholars seem to disagree with you completely there. Perhaps you should take note of the care with which items posted here are referenced. Or perhaps you've never heard of isnad, either? Are you sure you're a muslim? You should get out and learn more about your religion. And then, recant the deeds and words of the Prophet that contradict peace. Simple. Then we'll all be on the same page. But until then, "never taken place" may be your best bet. Me, I argue that the meeting between Mohammed and Gabriel never took place either.

"It's just American interests that needed to be served, and to hell with all it might harm, even if sometimes it could lead to the fall of the biggest world trade center and the death of thousands of Americans (including approximately 300 Muslim American)"

Because, of course, those 300 are the most important casualties to your mind. No problem, sworn - I hear what you're saying. I understand. And it was again terribly interesting to hear your hypothesis on how Americans and other nationalities brought 9/11 on themselves - just like every other time in the past 1400 years. 'Pesky kufir - when will they learn, eh? I hate it when they make us have to kill them, by disgracing Saudi Arabia with their presence (which was, in fact, the reason behind the attack) or by letting our own governments oppress us - unless they come to get rid of those governments, in which case they deserve death for trespass.' A tricky system, no?

"Talk out?" Well, talk out and explain what the hell you mean by this.

"Blindly supported Israel"? Actually, there's a good deal of healthy debate about support for Israel in this country - just like there is in the Middle East, no? And yes, the West had the KKK, and neo-Nazis and all the rest, yes indeedy. The difference, of course, is that we recognize in the vast, vast majority that those latter organizations are WRONG and EVIL. Can the same be said of islamicism, when Bin Laden ranks as an "islamic idol" second only maybe to Mohammad and Arafat? Not really, no.

"Muslim radicals with Muslim beliefs they quoted from quran then explained it their own ways (just like you do), taking advantage of how related Muslims are to anything coming from quran, investing the anger created and fueled by constant unfair American policies against a whole race"

Nice long sentence. Well, when the muslim radicals explain the Quran as demanding the death of believers, and then carry out their interpretation, we tend to believe them. Don't blame non-Muslims for the interpretation of the Quran by Muslim radicals. And, while you're at it, save this nonsence about how our learning about atrocities in islam 'creates' more such atrocities, you raving Nazi freak. They're going on just fine without our getting involved. And, hell, you can all just blame it on the Jews anyway.

BTW - what 'race' is a Muslim?

"just like every Muslim fights to prove Islam innocent of all the actions done by a few of the Muslim population"

Yes. We saw them cheering when the towers fell. So many do-gooders. It makes you wonder how there can actually BE any terrorists, with all the other, moderate muslims fighting against them. And of course, it explains why there are still no cases of a muslim terrorist every being turned in by another muslim in the West. Only the Iraqis have guts enough to stand up to terrorists who attack them.

Those sites aren't "trying" to accomplish anything. They expose, they inform - just like all kinds of sites do. These things aren't being made up, 'sworn'. If they weren't there, could they be posted on? You're welcome to not believe them - but there are others who, being more aware of the historical realities of the religion, have a much more critical take on the situation.

But it's largely a translation issue, isn't it? "People with knowledge" of course, tranlates into "people like me". "BRAINS with at least a certain minimal limit of IQ prerequisite" means "I only want you to talk to people with a view of islam like mine".

"because just like you do, a lot of Muslims could"

You're starting to learn, sworn. It's because some muslims generalize that we come here. It's because they ALREADY generalize about the lives and worth of the kufir that we post things about it. Better get to the root of the problem. I recommend you try a peace initiative aimed at refuting the hateful rhetoric coming out of Middle Eastern mosques.

Then, you'd probably best change your name and run for it. Good luck to you.

Geoff