Adel al-Jubeir has been selling his snake oil in Washington for quite some time. This is not the first time his polished words have rung hollow. When is fighting terrorism not fighting terrorism? When wanton jihadist murders of civilian non-combatants in one particular country are not condemned. From Globes Online, with thanks to Nicolei and RB:
On Tuesday, at a press conference at the Saudi Arabian embassy in Washington, al-Jubeir launched a campaign to improve Saudi Arabia's image in the US, under the slogan, "We're fighting terrorism." The fact that someone of his stature has been assigned to orchestrate the campaign shows how Saudi Arabia's image has deteriorated in US public opinion....Now, however, al-Jubeir wants Americans to believe that Saudi Arabia is remaking itself that what it has been is not what it will be. As he puts it, "The bottom line is that no Saudi citizen will be able to escape the clear message that intolerance, violence and extremism are not part of our Islamic faith, or of Saudi culture or traditions."
Asked how Saudi Arabia defines terrorism, al-Jubeir said that the kingdom had adopted the UN's formula, which defines terrorism as an act that causes victims among civilians, "anywhere."
Saudi Arabia's master explainer elegantly sidestepped, however, discomforting questions from an Israeli journalist, thereby raising doubts about the credibility of his brave pronouncements about his country's efforts to surgically remove the cancer of terrorism.
"Globes'" reporter, who identified himself as an Israeli journalist, wanted to hear how Saudi Arabia defines Palestinian organizations like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and other like them. Are these terrorist organizations? Does Saudi Arabia support them, and will it continue to do so? The reporter also asked whether the Saudi Arabian royal family would agree to diplomatic relations with Israel after implementation of the disengagement plan.
Without blinking, al-Jubeir answered, "Let's wait a minute with that. Let's finish with the subject of terrorism." He turned to two other reporters, unexpectedly stopped the press conference, and quickly left the room....
In any case, before his tactical retreat, al-Jubeir demonstrated amazing command of the art of spin. Imams giving poisonous sermons against the West? In the US, al-Jubeir says, the Ku Klux Klan delivers poisonous messages ostensibly based on the principles of Christianity. Would anybody say that the US is a racist country, or that Christianity spreads hatred? The Ku Klux Klan hijacked Christianity, and uses it for its own ends. Extremist Muslims in Saudi Arabia have hijacked Islam, and are using it for their own ends.
"We won't let deviants distort our religion," al-Jubeir said, "We're overhauling our educational system to instill the true values of our religion."
Why weren't these "true values" taught already?
Anyway, al-Jubeir is peddling here the sweet lulling strains of moral equivalency. So many Western lotus-eaters fall for this. We have nothing to worry about. Islam is just like Christianity, you see. It's just a few nuts, that's all, just a few nuts, nothing to worry about...
Except for one thing: in sidestepping the question about Hamas and Islamic Jihad, Adel al-Jubeir has placed himself on the side of those he compares to Klansmen -- a small indication of just how much more mainstream the "hijacking" of Islam in his country is than the purported "hijacking" of Christianity is in America.
Odd, I’m not religious but I can see the vast difference between (1) phonies who falsely claim they are following the teachings of a man who never ruled, never hurt anyone and died on the cross with (2) those who obviously embody the example of a man who plundered caravans, slaughtered the men of a defeated tribe, conquered by military means, and ruthless ruled over others. One group is following the example of their religious leader.
Besides, after 9/11, there were cheers through out the Islamic world. There were reports that the majority of people in several Muslim countries respond that way. Even a year or two later, a Pew poll showed bin Laden as one of the 3 most respected people in the Islamic world (Arafat was another of the 3). Comparing a few lone white supremacists that have the condemnation of 99% of Americans, to the widely supported suicide bombers in the Islamic world fails to take into the account the vast differences in the cultures, the teachings of Islam, and the role of Middle Eastern governments in the problem.
Much as I sympathize with the Israelis, I see a brighter side in this, in that the Sa'udis are running a bit scared.
JasonP,
You are assuming that God is benevolent. Why would you assume that?
By the way, dying on the cross was an act of weakness. Jesus would have done better by slicing the necks of the Pharisees. Allah (swt)have approved.
The KKK is a pretty tired example of extremist "Christianity"-
they use it every time, every troll uses this as some kind of counter argument. Trouble is we don't hear much from the KKK. When was the last suicide attack? When was the last time the KKK committed an atrocity? Seems to be a pretty lame bunch,no?
For Wahab bites:
Sheik Yer'mami bites back. Here he rides again:
http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/winds_of_jihad.html
Producers ought to invite unctuous Adel to appear on Saturday Night Live. I'd love to see him in the role played by John Lovitz.
al-Jubeir: "Saudi Arabia is fighting terrorism. We've adopted the UN's formula, which defines terrorism as an act that causes victims among civilians anywhere.... yeah.... that's the ticket."
A slave of Allah to be sure. Allah (swt) is the true and only god. One, to be sure, who will implement his will firstly by the sword and secondly by justice only after his will is adhered to.
Both oily and funereal, Adel al-Jubeir is hardly the man for the American public. If I were advising the Saudis, I'd stick with the shtick of Prince Bandar: "Yes, we're corrupt, but so is everyone, and we do it within limits and besides, all the alternatives are even worse. Have some port, have a cigar. And I happen to have some money that I want to offer as a contribution to your favorite charity, just as a token of how appreciative we all are for your efforts to increase American understanding of a complex situation. We try, you know how we try, to keep those crazies in check -- if you think they are paying for a few mosques today, just imagine what it would be like if they really got hold of our revenues. And we do our best, we really do, with OPEC. You know that.
Would you mind just taking it in cash now, and spare me all the official rigmarole of having to write a check and putting it in the mail? You will? I thought you would."
Allah is my only defense. Once the mind and body are filled with His (swt) greatness, the spirit is immutable. Nothing destroys that which Allah inhabits.
You appear to be intelligent, but the way you express it is a negation of it.
Allah is a rock in a rock hut.
Men use force to seize what they want.
Empire is not an inalienable human right.
The truth will set you free.
It is not a human right, but Allah's will.
ne·ga·tion
n.
The act or process of negating.
A denial, contradiction, or negative statement.
The opposite or absence of something regarded as actual, positive, or affirmative.
ab·lu·tion
n.
A washing or cleansing of the body, especially as part of a religious rite.
The liquid so used.
Are you representative (must I define that word) of the quality of posters here?
Allah has no will.
Allah is a rock.
Let’s be careful, shangalla. I didn’t say there are no innocent Muslims. We have to make an important distinction. On the one hand, there are devout Muslims who inspired by the original example of Mohammad, take seriously their duty to wage war on the infidels and act accordingly – i.e. jihadists. On the other hand, there is a demographic group called Muslims that includes the most devout but also includes those who are lax or lapsed in their practice. Some have to call themselves Muslims if they don’t want to be killed as apostates. Others just pay lip-service to Islam. I call these “nominal Muslims.”
We have to watch out we don’t fall into a trap and mistakenly point to “nominal Muslims” as if they were jihadists. Our critics are waiting for us to make a mistaken categorization to discredit our message with ridicule. Let's not play into their hands. I talk about this more here:
http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/2005/03/three-card-mohammad.html
We have to be smart about this. I think you'll agree.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/03/13/saudi.militant.reut/index.html
JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia (Reuters) -- Saudi security forces shot dead one man and arrested three others in a raid on a suspected militant's flat in Jeddah on Sunday, officials and witnesses said.
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Murder of freedom fighters against the Saudi dictatorship.
Wahabite-
We've seen the "fruits of Allah's will" in the mass rapes and murders in Darfur, in the beheadings of helpless hostages by yowling savages, in the betrayed faces of little children dressed as suicide bombers, in the bodies of women hung for daring to learn to read under the Taliban, in the complete technological helplessness of Saudis who access their oil resources only with the assistance of despised infidels (and that is OUR shame, we should let that rotten ship sink), and in the murder of those who dare speak freely.
Do you expect us to be impressed by this dysfunctional behavior? Come up with a cure for cancer, hunger, poverty, etc. Produce great thinkers, teachers, improve the welfare of humankind, and I will be impressed as all get out.
Submission to Allah's will is nothing but an excuse for lack of substantial accomplishments. Right now you produce nothing but oil, denial, and death. Can't you do better?
Treehugger
You can put a pretty dress and some makeup on a dog, but underneath it all, its still a dog and always will be.....
Wahabite
Jesus warned us about your false prophet....
Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. That appears to depict Mohammadanism perfectly.
Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? According to Mohammadanism the best grapes grow among thorns and thistles, Mohammad was their perfect example of this.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' Mohammadanism claims Jesus to be a great prophet.
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.' Jesus pronounces Mohammad to be a false prophet.
- Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar said he is doubtful a truce with Israel will be reached during the March 15 summit in Cairo. Addressing a rally in Gaza marking the one-year anniversary of the assassination of Hamas founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, al-Zahar said armed resistance against Israel would resume if Israel does not meet Hamas demands to release all Palestinian prisoners from Israeli jails, withdraw from all areas occupied at the beginning of the intifada and end "Israeli security measures."
OT, but an excellent letter exposing the myths of Islamic "civilization".
http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm
"The Party of God is a valid political organization despite the fact that it is run by the kafir Shia.
No imam is equal to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)."
and what, bismillah ar rahman ar rahim, is the kafir shia? Do you mean Shiat Ali?
Do you think that believing in Al Hossein and Al Abbas is shirk? Polytheism?
Silly wahhabite.
Logic isn't for you.
So, while I'm sure you're 'filled up' with something or other, could you perhaps tell me what evidence whatsoever there is of this 'Allah'? I'm just curious. The Christians at least can say they have some witnesses to Jesus-as-God doing miracles. Is there any at all for this Allah of yours?
Good show for the Saudis, though, slaying those who would transgress the will of this Allah. After all, terrorism is not part of islam, so they say.
Geoff
pwnage
Seems to me that this makes perfect sense, that is if one says rape is wrong except when a woman is the victim. Get a grip Saudis!
Silly Wahhabit,
I almost forgot: what makes you a) assume there is a God, and b) assume he's malevolent?
Geoff
As salaam alejkum,
Wahabite, I would know more about Tauh'wid...I have to know more..why don't you respond?
I have no possibility to get knowledge.You seem to be a sheikh,please tell me more.
Adel al-Jubeir is one of the slickest snake-oil salesmen I've ever seen or heard. But I can't imagine anyone with a post-elementary school education falling for his shtick.
But I could be wrong ...
I have seen this slick talking Adel al-Jubber Jabboer on the news several times and had to get up and move to put my back against the wall to keep him from slipping a knife in it. I never believed a word he said. If I believed just the opposite of what he said, then I could believe every word of it. Bottom line - - lies, lies, and more lies.
Oh well, Wahabite - at least you’re honest. Yes the Muslim god IS indeed malevolent. The extent of his curses can be seen in every Muslim country. All are dysfunctional in one way or another.
Vengeance belongs to God Wahabite, not to some illiterate Arab of Afghan peasant with an AK47. When you die you will reap what you sow. And it looks as if you spend your life spreading hate, spitting poison and commending violence (typical Muslim).
You have no new arguments for us it would seem. You generate heat, but do not generate light. We tire of the endless accusations of the Muslim - we have allowed tens of millions to live amongst us and prosper; and our reward: threats, hate, riots and terrorism. There is never an ounce of gratitude, we send billions of dollars to destitute Muslims in Indonesia, we go to war to free the Muslims of Kosovo, we liberate Kuwait, we buy your oil and make you rich, our technology has dragged you out of the Middle Ages - what is our reward? A knife in the back - spittle in our faces - animosity - antagonism. The bitter fruits of Islam.
Islam is evil. Muslims are blood suckers. Their religion shames the human race. They are Neanderthals in turbans, who delight in rape and slaughter; they are filthy backward barbarians, whose shadows are unfit to darken the soil of any Christian land.
To hell with this wicked religion, to hell with the Koran - the intellectual excrement of Satan. To hell with Muslims.
Islam is evil. Muslims are blood suckers. Their religion shames the human race. They are Neanderthals in turbans, who delight in rape and slaughter; they are filthy backward barbarians, whose shadows are unfit to darken the soil of any Christian land.
To hell with this wicked religion, to hell with the Koran - the intellectual excrement of Satan. To hell with Muslims.
Posted by: Timbo at March 13, 2005 10:10 PM
Amen!
Geoff and Wahabbite:
Dear friends: I demurr from answering Wahabbite's jihad with invective.
Of Christ, it was written 700 years before his time "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken." (Isaiah 53:5-8). Compare these to the Gospel of Luke 23:9; First Peter 2:24.
Geoff, every fact there is cries out about the infinite power and geatness of the Creator, leaving all of His rational creatures (humans and angels) without excuse.
Wahabbite, if, God forbid, you were struck down by a stroke or snakebite, etc., the moment after you read this, and you stood before God Almighty, who is Master of the Day of Judgment (certainly something we both agree on), and He were to ask, "Why should I let you into Paradise?" How would you answer?
Can you plead your own works?
"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags." (Isaiah 64:6).
Would you cover yourself in filthy rags before the judge of all the earth?
You say Christ would have done more had he struck off the necks of the Pharisees and pagan Romans? I do not think Muhammad dared say such a thing. You therefore blaspheme what God Almighty, in His eternal wisdom, justice, and goodness set forth as the atonement for our sins. You then say the Lord of the universe is a fool for establishing the necessary condition to prove His love is stronger than death itself, for we Christians proclaim that Christ rose on the third day after his death.
Your own books call Jesus Isa al-Masih, a clear derivate of Yehoshua ha-M'shiach, Jesus the Anointed (the prophet, priest, and king appointed by God--Leviticus 8:30; First Samuel 16:13; First Kings 19:15-16; Psalm 2). Where was Jesus anointed? It is written:
"And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper...there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard, very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head. And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of ointment made? For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me. For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always. She hath done what she could: she is come aforehand to anoint my body to this burying." (Mark 14:3-8).
Wahabbite (and anyone else), the atonement paid for your sins by Jesus the Messiah and the saving power of his resurrection is hereby offered to you to plead your case in the day of judgment, which we must all face. Repent and believe, and you shall be saved, with your house (Acts 16:32; Romans 1:4; Galatians 4:24-26).
Its obvious, its the Israelis who are the terrorists in this case.
No XYZ - Israel is a sovereign state and a member of the UN. It is the only functional democracy in the Middle East and despite having no natural resources, it maintains a 1st world economy. It is a country that defends itself against terrorism and rather inept Arab militarism. Israel also respects its ancient Christian heritage, unlike nearby countries like Saudi and Iran where Christianity is actually banned and most other Arab countries where Christians are persecuted. Therefore in order to protect ancient Christian sites and monasteries from destruction by Muslim fascists, it is absolutely imperative that the Holy Lands remain open and under Jewish stewardship, the basic human rights of Christians there depend upon it. That is exactly how the Crusades started because YOU people were persecuting OUR people in the Holy Land - and we are not going to sit back and watch you blood thirsty wicked barbarians do it a second time.
If the Israeli army has to shoot dead an occasional Arab teenager who chooses to throw bricks and petrol bombs - it's sad, but so be it, it's not terrorism though, unless you consider such riotous actions "innocent".
Anyway XYZ - I answered many of your statements a month or two ago and then you just vanished. This is what Muslims do here, (just like Wahabite) they enter, make stupid comments, quote from their Satanic book of death, and then when they are faced with intelligent answers and questions - they run like mangy desert foxes back into the shadows. In doing so they prove that no Muslim can possibly defend the despotic madness they call Islam.
Yes, Timbo, the howls of indignation from the Palestinians are the equivalent of the arrested hoodlum who shrieks at the cops that the other guy started it when he hit him back. 1400 years of dhimmitude because the Jews of the Arabian peninsula weren't impressed by Muhammed's attempt to hijack monotheism for his own economic advantage, three relatively recent attempts to annihilate the Jewish state, and the real neighbourhood bullies are boo-hoo-hooing.