Secret FBI Report Questions Al Qaida Capability

That FBI blokes still seems clueless and still hasn't woken up to the fact that Islam itself
is a terrorist organiziation and that there is no fire-wall between the so called 'moderates' and 'militants'.

That FBI blokes still seems clueless and still hasn't woken up to the fact that Islam itself
is a terrorist organiziation and that there is no fire-wall between the so called 'moderates' and 'militants'.

" I'm concerned about what we are not seeing," he said...."

Now you see it, now you don't...

I can not believe they are that stupid and clueless. I mean really....

The FBI & The CIA, such wonderul institutions with such a wonderful track record! If they can not find any 'sleepers', perhaps its because they are sleeping!

Perhaps a little song will wake them up:

http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/winds_of_jihad.html

Hei Terminator!

You possess a good voice, you should try to sing the next time or better take lessons before you try to sing.

"...I'm gonna make your country mine!"LOL!

Write your own generic Islamic terror news story from the eyes of his Muslim brethren:

"Mohammed/Khalil/Malik/Ali is a peaceful/devout/observant/intelligent Muslim. We cannot believe he did/He did not do this horrible act. All violence against innocents is not Islamic. What about those Americans/Zionists/Jews/Christians...."

You do not need a "sleeper cell" to be dangerous. The Muslim soldier who planned to kill his fellow soldiers -- and did -- in Kuwait, the Muslim marine who deserted, bringing some of his gear with him, and then fled back to Lebanon (or was allowed to), the Muslim sailor who, it has been reported, made contact with others from an American ship in the Persian Gulf, the city official in Houston, the computer engineer in Intel, and many others who are simply quiet for now, need not be members of a cell -- the "cell" is there. It is called Islam, and while anyone can act alone (a single co-pilot can take down a plane), one can also find the likeminded at the right mosque, or even someone who carefully does not go to mosques, is one of the "shaved beards" (the name given to those who deliberately shave their beards so as not to attract attention).

The FBI director may not understand that the search for a "Communist cell" in the "I Led Three Lives" manner of Herbert Philbrick is silly. All those who genuinely subscribe to the tenets of Islam must be regarded as present, for future, enemies of Infidels. How could it be otherwise, given the tenets of Islam? One is prepared to believe that among those claling themselves Muslims are those who do not really believe, and even some who would, in the end, not succumb to the division of the world between Believer and Infidel, but as poor Infidels lack the ability to detect those who are truly to be trusted, from those who only seem as though they can be trusted, they have to assume the worst. And what is most astonishing is how many seemingly "nice" Muslims engage in the most shameless apologetics and Taqiyya, which naturally and rightly leads one to suspect that, alas, Islam itself -- not "Islamism," not "Islamofascism," not "Wahhabi" Islam, not a "tiny handful of extremists," is a permanent menace to all non-Muslims.

And the evidence for this, in the theory and practice of Islam, over the past 1350 years and now, is overwhelming. And the more we study it, the more deeply, for example, we examine not the romantic but real history of Islamic Spain, or of the Ottoman Empire, or of the treatment of Zoroastrians in Persia and the gigantic massacres of Hindus in Hindustan, and the more we realize how similar has been the treatment of non-Muslims everywhere that Muslim rule was esablished, and the more we study the totalitarian nature of Islam, softed at the edges here and there, but essentially a Total Explanation and Regulation of the Universe that severely limits mental freedom, why should we regard it as anything other than a menace?

The secret FBI report may miss the point. And not only because other militant resident Muslims might decide at any point to take up the call of jihad. It's because it is not the sleeper cells that will carry out future "spectacular" operations. This would instead be the job of a hit squad like the 19 terrorists who carried out 9/11 and only came into the country in the months immediately proceeding the attack. Unfortunately, our border, particularly with Mexico, remains very porous and hit squads can still gain entry at any time.

It may very well be that al-Qaeda's capabilities have been severely damaged by the war on terror. Large number of senior operatives, some say two-thirds, have been taken out of commission and communication and control networks have been disrupted. On the other hand, the war in Iraq has also resulted in new recruits. The CIA is likely to know more than the the FBI about how these offsetting factors balance off. Then again its track record hasn't been so good either, has it?

Report or no report; I can't help thinking that the vigilence is there and will remain there. The money resources of the FBI have more than doubled by the Bush administration in the wake of 9/11. There can be no turning back on searching and rooting out potential threats to America, whether defined by sleeper cells or approaching threats from abroad . the best thing that is happening is to have the CIA,FBI, and local law enforcement agencies working together and sharing information. I can't see a let down of their guard, or complacency creeping into these agencies.

There is an easy way to tell a terrorist from a non terrorist: Simply ask him if he is a terrorist, and if he threatens to sue you for ethnic bias, then he is a terrorist. Keep it simple. Also if he gets all of his information from the New York Times, then he is definately a terrorist. And if he says that he has no sympathy for the ones who pervert the great religion of Islam, he is a sympathizer and a fund raiser for terrorist activities

Shanghalla:

Border guards are a different though important issue and the FBI cannot discrimminate against Christians and Jews in its hiring practices. Yes there have been some moles dug out of the FBI after and during 9/11.

P.S.

Also it is important to continue to support the Patriot Act, as anti-patriot act groups are forming up as we speak.

Northeast Intelligence Network has an interesting take on the ABC article. The name of the article is: "ABC's Dysfunctional Headline"
"How the Media is facilitating al Qaeda"
Douglas Hagmann states that the main body of the report does not state that there are no sleeper cells and that ABC news is essentially misrepresenting the report. To read his article go to: http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

You have to watch the msm.

Eileen

It is always a mistake to underestimate the capacity for incompetence at the FBI, CIA, and DOD. They would like us to forget that these very bureacracies were entrusted with responsibility for the nation's defense on 9/11. Albeit, hamstrung by congress and the judiciary.

Nevertheless, four years after 9/11, these agencies are still awash in crippling political correctness and islam-denial. Denial that islam, at its very core, is a big, big problem.

And, of course, W - Mr. Clarity - presides over this cluster fork.

That FBI blokes still seems clueless and still hasn't woken up to the fact that Islam itself
is a terrorist organiziation and that there is no fire-wall between the so called 'moderates' and 'militants'.

Posted by: Elephant at March 12, 2005 04:39 AM

Beautifully said, Elephant.

The FBI has a long way to go, but progress has been made. The arrest of the Lackawanna Six is a case in point. More and more everyday people that i speak to are questioning the politically correct way that we have come to deal with Islamic Terrorism. In short, I think we are seeing a backlash of the PC nonsense and heading in the right direction. Although, at a much slower pace than i would like to see.

That slowness comes because we have for decades always had some intellectual who could blame the U.S. for some imagined greivance and it has become part of our educational system. I know since i have read material that over the years came home from my daughters school. (She is now in college) but that is another story. Talk about propaganda. Yet I see in many cases it is the young people who are questioning the prevailing wisdom "all people are good, all opinions are equal, etc)

Here is an interesting take on the FBI:

http://www.freecongress.org/commentaries/2002/020604WL.asp

Another story... FBI agent stymied in investigation.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/FBI_agent_I_was_stymied_in_terror_probe.htm

Carolyn2:

I understand your point, the agencies that are there to protect us are many times hamstrung by PC politics, left wing groups that have aligned with groups that do not share our national interests and of course organizations like CAIR, but both posts were from 2002, almost 3 years ago.

Another story: "(Imam) Rauf asserted that the Koran "certainly doesn't counsel terrorism, murder or mayhem." Margolan said. And he said terrorists have misinterepreted the Koranic term *jihad* to mean violent or armed struggle against nonbelievers. (Imam) Rauf claims it means internal struggle."

I think internal struggle means fighting the demon inside yourself, just like the "Exorcist", Mr. Rauf. I also believe that jihad is spelled out in plain language in the quran, if anyone wants to learn for themselves.

We've all heard this time and time again on this site, but here is the article again- it is still relevant now.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33829

Mackie -
re: "the FBI cannot discrimminate against Christians and Jews in its hiring practices"

I read otherwise:

FBI: Jews need not apply for Arabic linguist jobs

Here is more:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=14885#c0279

OT
Here is an excellent article from Ali Sina's site written by Vernon Richards dealing with the sad state of Arab economys. I offer it to this site because it attempts to explain a direct linkage of economic misery to legitimized Jihad. He asserts their economic stagnation produces a jealous hatred that induces their societies to strike out at successful neighboring and global economies. This would tend to support Bush's strategy of trying to bring democracy to the region in an attempt to alleviate one of their reasons for waging a hate war against civilized society. However, even if a vibrant economy and free press result from Bush's initiatives, we all know that the Jihad mentality will never be exorcised from the region until Islam's reformation or eradication, take your pick.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/VernonRichards50310.htm

mortgagemaven, while the articles may be a couple of years old, the director of the FBI is the same man. The idea that we should not show muslims the bottom of our shoes because they might get upset is a long way from important in my estimation. If they don't like the way we run our society, they should go back to the middle-east, we shouldn't have to be sensitive to them, it is up to them to assimilate into our society.

Google the name: Coleen Rowley

Caroline2:

I totally agree that if they come to our country that they should be assimilating into our culture, we should not be afraid to ask hard questions about their belief systems. I simply believe that we have made progress in educating Americans about the dangers of Islamist agenda.

" I'm concerned about what we are not seeing," he said...."

The problem is that he is looking for al-Qaeda members. He will not find such registered terrorists. The terrorists are just the ordinary law abiding moderate muslims one moment but "radicalised" at an opportune moment.

It is visible to those who have the mindset to see. Unfortunately, for those of the FBI who have had sensitivity training from CAIR, it is unlikely they will ever see.

Todays news: The British army is making a concerted effort to recruit muslims. They have even gone to mosques and asked the imam to encourage young muslims to volunteer. Nothing has been learnt since 9/11. So whats new?

All muslims in the West should be regarded as potential combatants.

The only way we will win this war and at the sametime regain our freedoms, as well as free muslims from islam, is by separation. I do not think our societies, geared as they are to free and open thought, can continue for much longer while this assault on freedom in underway. If this assault is not brought to a halt soon, then free society will start to perish. It may not be evident immediately, but perish it will in the fullness of time.

Islamic militants scoff at Madrid talks

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=Egypt%20Spain%20Al%20Qaida

A militant group calling itself Al-Qaida in Iraq ridiculed an international terrorism conference in Spain held to mark the first anniversary of deadly train bombings in Madrid, telling the nations who participated they "would never be victorious."

"You infidels, whatever you prepare, you will be defeated and never be victorious because Allah has promised us victory. So you have only to wait ... and we will be waiting too," said a statement purportedly posted by the group on an extremist Islamic Web site on Saturday.

>"How many times the infidels gather in solidarity and cooperation against Islam and to fight jihad (holy war)," the statement said. "They call Islam terrorism. Terrorizing enemies of God is our faith and religion which is taught to us by our Quran."

Ibrahim Hooper, if you are reading this, you had better get on the phone and tell these Muslim co-religionists of yours that Islam is a religion of peace. Apparently, some Muslims aren't getting the message, Mr. Hooper.

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

Everyone should watch this program,

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/view

It is about John O'Neill, the FBI agent who pleaded with anyone who would listen about OBL. O'Neill died in the WTC, it is said that his last words were " I told you so."

And if that's not enough, check our this from Sapin:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/csm/20050311/ts_csm/oanniversary&e=4

The reason that "Islam" cannot officially be declared as the "problem"--the cause of current terrorism--is because of the US government of its "friends and allies" the Saudis. You notice that I did not say "our 'friends and allies,'" because the American people do not consider them to be that. It is the administration, this G. W. Bush one and every administration preceding it from that of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's on, that has had that "special" relationship with the Saudis.

Now we all know that the Saudis are behind the terrorist troubles afflicting the world. Not directly perhaps but by its funding of jihadist charities, mosques, and madrassas. We also know that there are present and former US government employees on the payroll of the Saudis. That Islam is "a religion like any other" is false, but is still being adhered to by the administration, by educators and other politically correct centers of influence such as the media.

As the US government, armed forces, educational indtitutions, and local governments and law enforcement become more and more infected with Islamics, it will become much more difficult to say outright that Islam is terrorism.

As for the FBI, wasn't Mueller at the helm when the 9/11 murderers struck? Everybody "up there" appears to be crazy about him (as they were about George Tenant), but if an agency fails, as the FBI did, heads should have rolled, and whose head more fitting than that of its head?

Spain, a proud nation, was occupied for 700 years by the Islamic scourge!

It is more than ironic that they have now (again!) allowed Islam to run amok, to build mosques, to go about unhindered, spreading their poison, threatening: Standard procedure.

Fearful of a 'muslim backlash' the Zapatero government will not hold proper memorial services, it is sickening!

'No mosque has been closed'- says the Imam. 'for every one captured another 3 are radicalized'-

Is Spain really going to put up with this shit?

What a bunch of dolts! I would hope that if they did in fact know of a " sleeper cell " that they would arrest them! The fact they know of no such cells is just part of the game, it does not mean such cells do not exist.

We all know that the 9/11 cells were in fact supported by the Suadi Arabian government! Does the FBI claim to know nothing of this also?

Nossy

Unicorn, Louis Freeh was director of the FBI from Sept. 1, 1993 through June 25, 2001.

Top ten reasons why Islam is not the religion of peace

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4315

snip

Ever since 9/11, Muslim leaders who have access to the national media have told us that Islam is the religion of peace and that violence does not represent the essence of Muhammad’s religion.

Even President Bush and Britain’s Prime Minister Blair have repeated this assertion, saying that Islam has been “hijacked” by a few violent fanatics. Is this true?

Sadly it is not, for empirical, observable facts demonstrate beyond doubt that Islam at its founding is filled with violence—in the life of Muhammad himself and in the Quran itself.

Hence, these Muslim apologists must stop misleading unsuspecting Westerners, and they must be honest about the heart of their religion, for once and for all.

Here are ten clear, verifiable reasons that explain why Islam is not the religion of peace.

10. Muhammad nicknames his weapons

9. Muhammad commands in his Quran that adulterers and adulteresses should receive a hundred lashes

8. Muhammad in his Quran permits husbands to beat their wives

7. Muhammad in his Quran commands that the hands of male or female thieves should be cut off.

6. Muhammad assassinates poets and poetesses

5. Muhammad commands death or the cutting off of hands and feet for fighting and corrupting the land

4. Muhammad aggressively attacks Meccan caravans.

3. Muhammad in his Quran promises sensuous Gardens for martyrs dying in a military holy war

2. Muhammad unjustly executes around 600 male Jews and enslaves the women and children.

1. Muhammad launches his own Crusades.

What the ten reasons mean for us today

These ten aspects of violence that have burrowed into the hemorrhaging heart of early Islam have implications for us today.

First, as noted in the Introduction to this article, Muslim apologists who have access to the national media and who constantly assert that Islam is the religion of peace must stop misleading unsuspecting Westerners. Factually, Islam is not the religion of peace. True, it had peaceful moments, but not for very long. Muhammad sent out or went out on seventy-four expeditions and raids in only ten years (622-632), most of which were violent.

Second, as each reason in this article has hinted at and the links explain more thoroughly, Christ never, ever engaged in such violence. For example, he never assassinated opponents, whipped adulterers, cut off the hands of thieves, or launched his own Crusades (what the Medieval Europeans did is not foundational to Christianity). Christ expresses the love of God. Therefore, Christians and all fair-minded persons have the right to question whether the true God would reveal the Quran when it contains such violent verses that conveniently support Muhammad’s violence, whereas the New Testament does not have such violence.

Third, nominal Christians who no longer take their faith seriously, but who are tempted to convert to Islam, must stop and think a second time. Christ the Son of God demonstrated the love of God (Matt. 3:16-17), not the wrath of an ordinary, self-described human messenger (Sura 3:144). Why would they trade in the religion of God’s peace and love for Allah’s human religion of violence?

Fourth, fanatical Muslims today are simply carrying on their Prophet’s mission. Why should we be surprised if they want to conquer the West, in order to impose Allah’s will on non-Islamic societies? They are still working out Muhammad’s Crusades.

Fifth, Western civilization must never accept the lie that Muhammad’s life, the Quran, or sharia (the law derived from the hadith and the Quran) is a benefit to society. Rather, Islam represents many gigantic steps backwards, culturally and socially. One of the most tragic events in the Western world—and one of the most underreported—is the existence of an Islamic court in Canada . The Canadian government should promptly shut it down. And such a court must never be allowed to exist here in the US.

Sixth and finally, Islam should never be taught in our public schools, K through 12 ; but if school administrators insist on it, Islamic violence must be included in the lesson plans because it is part and parcel of early Islam and Muhammad’s life. Of course, Muslim apologists assert that Christianity is filled with violence, citing the Roman Emperor Constantine and the Medieval Crusaders. However, they are not foundational for Christianity—only Christ and the rest of the New Testament are. And he and the New Testament authors never practiced or endorsed such violence.

On the other hand, Muhammad and his Quran are foundational for Islam, and violence fills his life and its pages.

Therefore, for ten clear and verifiable reasons, Islam is not the religion of peace.

Meanwhile, things between Muslim majority Malaysia and Muslim majority Indonesia are heating up. Malaysia is deporting illegal Indo aliens, while Indonesia rails at Malaysian arrogance. Threats of Chinese intervention - which would have advanced communism and not protected Malaysians (especially the then large Chinese ethnic minority) curtailed Indo aggression in the early 'sixties.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/34340

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/csm/20050311/ts_csm/oanniversary&e=4

Sorry folks: My writing a few posts doesn't make much sense without this article here from Spain! Very interesting...Very disturbing!

Carolyn,

Wasn't O'Neil the FBI man that Jayna Davis went to with the Oklahoma City bombing information that implicated middle easterners? I believe he was and he did believe her...

Jawa, I am not sure if O'Neill had anything to do with OK City, a guy named Vogel accepted the research but it was refused by higher-ups in the FBI.

carolyn2,

Still. 9-11 happened on Mueller's watch; he was the Director. You have the name, you take the blame.

Since then, however, there has not been another attack in the US. All the Muslims running around here, whether sworn jihadists, dedicated fundamentalists, fellow travellers, or self-styled "moderates" cannot be blamed on the FBI. We can thank State with its Saudi visa express and the slack border control--to please hispanic voters, keep labor costs down or for whatever other reason---for that.

With all the Muslims here, above ground, underground, sleepers, illegal residents, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc., as long as there is not another attack, the FBI is doing its job.

Unicorn, from what I read in the articles above, it sounds like the foot-soldiers and rank and file FBI agents are not buying the CAIR line of B.S. That is our hope for sure.

Carolyn2,

Apparently these attempts to recognize Islam as the cause of terrorism by the FBI ranks are being squelched at higher levels. The directive comes from the top down, and as long the administration (as have all administrations before it, since FDR) is trying to placate the Saudis, there is not much hope of reform. What with sensitivity training, hiring Muslim agents and translators, and letting CAIR call the shots, the FBI is being suffocated by political correctness.