We don't recognize your kind

Signs of erasing Israel through liberal politics?

Canada is neither the first to "delete" Jerusalem from the Jewish life and history and they aren't the last. No one has ever succeeded!

B'Nai Brith Canada is suing the Canadian federal government to be allowed to list both Jerusalem and Israel as birthplace.

The following article goes over the history of Jerusalem as addressed in the US and UN:
Jerusalem: Capital of Israel?

Details about the US case -

U.S. Court Rules Against Couple

On Sept. 7, the U.S. District Court in Washington dismissed lawsuits filed by two American-Israeli couples against Secretary of State Colin Powell, the Jerusalem Post reported two days later. The plaintiffs had argued that the State Department should direct the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv to designate Israel as the country of birth on their children’s passports and other consular birth documents in accordance with U.S. law. Agreeing with State Department lawyers, District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that the federal court did not have jurisdiction over the case, since the designation of Israel on a passport was a political matter, and hence the purview of the executive branch. Furthermore, she ruled that the plaintiffs, who filed the lawsuit on behalf of their son, had no standing to bring the case since they “suffered no injury” as a result of the State Department’s decision not to allow their son’s American passport to read “Jerusalem, Israel,” instead of only “Jerusalem,” as the place-of-birth. According to the Israeli newspaper, “Kessler also rejected the argument made by the [plaintiff’s] lawyers that the issue was simply a passport, not a foreign policy, matter,” calling their argument that changing the place of birth to “Jerusalem, Israel” is a simple administrative matter, not a contentious political one, “disingenuous.”

If the non-Muslim world thinks that not recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital will win it points, it fails completely to understand Muslim psychology. No spirit of compromise exists; all attempts to placate and appease are regarded only as encouraging signposts along the way of further appeasement.

A book that our rulers and movers and shakers and pundits and pandits might read is Andre Servier, "The Psychology of the Musulman," translated and published in English in 1923.

WHAT?

Screw them.

Geoff

I forgot to add:

/sarcasm on

Yes, yes, surrender your passports. Just a minor administrative detail. Yes, yes, surrender them. And we also want to give you a special tattoo, so that ve know who you are! And, of course, ve alzo haf showers for you to take, becos you are not clean! Yes, ya! Do not vorry! All vill be vell!

/sarcasm off

Again, screw the idiots who approved this. I hope you fall and tear your sac, if you have one.

By the same completely arbitrary token, I don't recognize that idiot Kessler - and, if by some miracle of general investigation, you're reading this, you ARE in fact an idiot - nor the idiot in the Canadian government who did the same.

Geoff

Muslims now outnumber Jews in Canada and that's why the Liberals are looking at allowing Shariah law courts for female Muslims during family matters.

Look how Muhammed Elmasry got away with his comment that "All israelis over 18 are valid targets for murder by suicide bombers because of the State Army policy on the Draft".

With only about 0.00004 percent of the worlds Muslims living in Canada,just imagine what it will be like for Christians and Jews once they
start to demand an Islamic State and then claim
Canada for Allah as a Islamic Country.
The soccer fields will be execution sites for females not following Sharia law or being a rape victim that must face the punishment of Allah.

Re POB on passports of Jerusalem-born persons:

In 1947, the UN partition plan for British-mandated Palestine provided for the internationalization of Jerusalem. This the USA agreed to, voted for, and recognized. Hence, the US Embassy to Israel got located in Tel Aviv; while the US consulate in Jerusalem is a consulate general, and deals chiefly with matters pertaining to the West Bank.

Yet the USA emphatically does not deny a Jewish connection to Jerusalem or wish to deprive Jews of residence or access to that city. Certainly it does not deny the Jewish history there.

Here, we're up against a diplomatic nicety.

Hang on a sec here, ala-sux. Who is this idiotic Muhammed Elmasry you're talking about? This is in Canada, that he said it? In CANADA? CANADA? That's insane. Is he being deported or charged?

If he really said "All israelis over 18 are valid targets for murder by suicide bombers because of the State Army policy on the Draft" then he got it righter than he thought:

"MURDER by suicide bombers". Not killing, nor fighting, nor struggle, nor any other stupid phrase, but "murder".

Telling, no? Is he then, since he's over 18, a "valid target" as well?

Geoff

Well, well.

I went and looked up this Mohammed Elmasry - apparently he's a university professor (electronics, as if that could somehow be a real system of non-didactic learning) and here is the sum toto of the conversation with a Michael Coren (apparently a radio host up yonder) where he said that all Israelis over 18 were military targets:

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Dr. Mohammed [sic] Elmasry (National President, Canadian Islamic Congress): We'll go back again to the basic. In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, there is an aggressor. This is Israelis. They are occupying the West Bank and Gaza for the last 37 years. It's a fact. It's an illegal occupation.
Guest (unidentified): Well, I would disagree.

ME: So this means the settlement there -- I'm quoting the United Nations -- is illegal settlement. These are armed...

Michael Coren (host): Let's go to pre-occupation of the West Bank.

ME: No, but let me give an example, one example from European history. If you look, actually, in the resistance of the French against the Germans, they did the same thing. They blow up bridges. They did kidnap people; they assassinate people.

MC: Who?

ME: The French. They assassinated soldiers and their collaborators, and French. French civilians.

MC: But Mohammed, I think that's a rather tenuous argument. I mean I know little about the war and the French resistance and the lack of it, sadly, but there is no... I can't remember of one case where the French resistance, the Maquis (?) or even their allies, communist or Gaulist or nationalist, would go into a school where German children were and kill them all.

ME: That's why we saying that totally innocent people...

["We"? "WE"? Who's "we" all of a sudden - the Canadian Islamic Council? Or just the upper echelons? - Geoff]

MC: OK.

ME: ... and totally innocent people, obviously, is the children. But they are not innocent if they are part of a population which is total population of Israel is part of the army... From 18 on, they are part of the soldiers, even if they have civilian clothes.

[Interesting...did US and NATO troops regard Soviet/Bloc civilians as valid targets, since after all those nations had a draft also? I mean, heck, millions of them could have been under arms within weeks in the event of WWIII. And yet, I kinda doubt that even Reagan thought that way, y'know? Funny, the contrasts between end-points in political and racial ideologies. - Geoff]

MC: So if Israeli children are killed, that is a valid use of military force by Palestinians?

ME: No, they are not valid...

MC: So what are you saying?

ME: I'm saying that it has to be totally innocent, OK? Totally innocent are the children, obviously, OK? But they are not innocent if the army [inaudible] in civilian clothes, OK?

MC: What about women?

ME: The same, if they are women in the army...

[Wow, islam is really equal after all. Women also can be murdered, too. And Allah knows best. - Geoff]

MC: Anyone over the age of 18 in Israel is a valid target.

ME: Anybody above 18 is a part of the Israeli army...

MC: So everyone in Israel and anyone and everyone in Israel, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18 is a valid target?

ME: Yes, I would say.

[BREAK]

MC: We're back on the Michael Coren Show. I want to push you a bit on this, Dr. Elmasry, because you speak about the French resistance. Now the French resistance to the Nazis, first of all you have... the Nazi army occupies your country. It rounds up communists, Jews, gay men, any gypsies who are present, members of the Catholic clergy, some Protestant leaders. It takes them off to gas them. It takes away the entire elite of your nation. The French resistance forms; it does what it can. It... armed resistance against German soldiers -- very few German civilians in occupied France anyway. It assassinates SS leaders. It does assassinate major collaborators who were helping the roundup of victims and so on. You're saying that that is the same as Palestinian military campaign -- and some of it, I think, is understandable and valid -- but you're saying it is the same as the Palestinian campaign. For example, a suicide bomber gets onto a bus and sees that there are people there -_ no one's in uniform -- and just blows herself up and kills everybody. They're morally...

[An excellent point: the French Resistance targeted a few people, killed major collaborators exactly as Coren says. They didn't walk onto a bus with a bomb and deliberately blow up women and children. I wonder if Elmasry knows the difference? - Geoff]

ME: But Michael, really, the definition of terrorism is really a means to an end, which is actually ending terrorism, either by a group or an individual or a state...

MC: It sounds like sophistry to me, actually.

[Yep. First they're the "French Resistance", but when the targetting of kids gets dragged out into the open, well, it's a "means to an end". Riiiight. So then, are Israel's supposed crimes in the West Bank all right then, since they're a "means to an end" also? Might makes right, right? - Geoff]

ME: No, no, it's true; it's true. I mean I would like to wake up one day and there is no terror either by state...

MC: You mean you'd like to win?

[Ding. - Geoff]

ME: No, I would like actually for the conflict to stop, for the aggressor to stop the aggression, OK? So does this mean that, for example, when you look at any conflict, there is an aggressor and their victims...

MC: Not as simplistic as that, I think.

[Ding ding. - Geoff]

ME: It is actually... if you look at the Chechenyan against the Russian, I know the history; I know the history of Iraqi... American occupation of Iraq. You don't have to have a Ph.D. in political science to identify that in the Israeli West Bank, occupied West Bank and Gaza, the Israelis, for the 37 years, are the occupying power. So the resistance is the same as the French resistance. Use low-tech. You don't have helicopter phantoms, and they do whatever they want. They make mistakes; they make mistakes, yes, and we have to condemn it.

[Good. Now let's see you actually do it. Not the first time he's equated the Israelis with the Nazis, I'm sure. - Geoff]

MC: I've got to tell you I think you've just dug a very large hole for yourself there. I am not unsympathetic, and I do believe that Israelis use way too much force and I believe that Palestinians are blanketed with the term "terrorist," which is very unfair, but what you've said there, I believe, is very dangerous talk. There's a massive difference. ...
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Now, the website that I got this from was an apologist site (actually it was the Marxist-Leninist Daily; remind me to burn my Democratic membership forms and become a Republican), so naturally the rest of Mr. Coren's point was cut off. One imagines that the remainder of Coren's comment was particularly damaging somehow; can't tell, of course, since the ML Daily cut it off (they also like the word "Zionist" quite a bit...I wonder what word they'd rather use, and if they've used it. Just curious, of course).

I liked how Coren was going there at the end.

Interestingly, whilst searching for more information about this twit, I found the following on the Canadian Islamic Congress website:

When Jews Target a Canadian Muslim
by Dr. Mohamed Elmasry - February 25, 2005

"Dr. Elmasry, we received intelligence reports that the Jewish Defence League is having two bus loads coming to town this Sunday. We will give you police protection," the senior local police officer informed me in person. "You are a man of honour. You have our support." It was not clear if the JDL was coming from the U.S. or from Canada, or from both countries, he told me.

http://www.canadianislamiccongress.com/fb/friday_bulletin.php?fbdate=2005-03-04

So. When "JEWS" target a Canadian Muslim. Not "when supporters of Israel target a Canadian Muslim". Not "when Zionists target a Canadian Muslim".

Does this 'report' also belong to Mr. Elmasry's fantasy world? Because it's abundantly clear he's not an honest man at all.

Geoff