Note the religious emphasis of the argument: they are trying to convince Muslims that Islamic loyalty demands they oppose the government. From the pro-jihad site Jihad Unspun, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Al-Qaida organization in the Land of the Two Rivers has issued a stern warning in response to those who take part in so-called Iraqi government while claiming to belong to Ahlu asunnah (the party that follows the teaching and practice of the messenger of Allah, Muhammad, peace be upon him.)Here is their statement, uncut and uncensored, as translated by JUS....
Statement From Al-Qaida In Response To Those Who Take Part In The Government Of Cross Worshippers And Apostates And Claim To Belong To Ahlu Asunnah [People of the Tradition, i.e., orthodox Sunni Muslims]
In The Name Of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds. Final victory is on the side of the believers, and no aggression except on those who transgress all bounds. Peace and prayers be on the Imam of Mujahideen, our prophet, Muhammad, his family, and his companions.
News about attempts by some who claim to belong to Ahlu asunnah, to join the fake political process and share in power with the cross worshippers and apostates, have been circulating in various news media.
Those losers could not be farther from the sunnah of all prophets and the Imam of messengers, our prophet, Muhammad, (peace and prayers be upon him), who mandated the implementation of the Sharia (Islamic Laws of Allah), establishing Islam as the religion on land, and fighting those who reject the Lord of the Worlds.
Those claiming to belong to Ahlu asunnah, race to be in the arms of the Jews and Christians, for sake of positions, social status, and for love of this life over the hereafter. Not long ago, they were racing to harm the true sunnah and its party. Here they are again, doing what they do best, offering their allegiance and services to every tyrant, the curse of Allah be on them! How are they deluded (away from the truth)!
In their heart is a disease and deviation.
{Those in whose hearts is a disease- you see how eagerly they run about amongst them, saying: “we do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster.” Ah! Perhaps Allah will give you victory, or a decision from Him. Then will they regret of the thoughts which they secretly harbored in their hearts.}, [Qur'an] 5:52
We announce to the entire world that we are clear of you and whatever you worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever, unless you believe in Allah and Him alone.
Message to all Muslims, Muhammad called up from Hell last night and said that he hopes you'll forgive him for being such a schmuck, and that you should stop the 1400 year old war you've waged with everyone else on the planet, put down your swords, and pick up a book.
He said to tell you that your illiteracy rate is embarrassing, and that everyone else in Hell is making fun of him over it.
This is what you get when you extend Western style mineral rights to nomadic tribes. The guys who sold Manhattan to the Dutch for a trunk full of trinkets must have roared with laughter that night around the old campfire. They didn't even "own" the island, whatever that means. Nobody owned the island. Those stupid white guys just loaded them up with treasure. We did it again in the 20th century when we extended mineral rights to the Bedouins. I say, let's admit that it was a colossal mistake, seize the oil fields to hold them in trust for the benefit of all humanity and let the Arabs suicide-bomb themselves into oblivion over which tribe is going to control the two holy mosques.
Substitute the words "US-Installed Iraqi Government" for the native governments of any country of the United States for a taste of what is in store for the world IF the insurgency is successful.
This isn't rocket science...this is a fight to the death. The lessons of history trumpet down the ages with this message and many millions have perished or have been engulfed in the maw of Islam.
This article about Hamas probably should be at DW, I am just shaking my head. Hamas is just a group of "businessmen"
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dianawest/dw20050425.shtml
OT: just a quick aside on the Dutch situation. Apparently, from what I can see, Holland will give in to Islam in the sense that the Dutch are just going to abandon the country to them. The Dutch will leave; the Muslims will stay and take over. That's how its going to play out. No one will be able to force the Muslims to leave and no one it seems can stop them coming. However, the Dutch, themselves, they can leave and no one can stop them. Of course, this means that Holland as a country will cease to exist, except as an historical construct.
Also, it dosesn't help with people like Jeb Cohen as Mayor of Amsterdam; he's basically saying that Islam is here to stay, get used to it. However, a lot of Dutch people are going to say, forget it; I'm leaving. But will the Muslims leave? NO! They are going to take over without even a fight because all the non-Muslims will just leave. Unbelieveable! Look at this interview with Jeb Cohen in the NYTimes:
To Soothe Dutch-Muslim Nerves, Try a Jewish Mayor
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/25/international/europe/25amsterdam.html
Check out this article by Doug Saunders of the Globe and Mail:
It just doesn't feel like Holland any more'
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050423/IMMIGRATION23/TPInternational/?pageRequested=all
By DOUG SAUNDERS
Saturday, April 23, 2005 Page A4
ROTTERDAM -- To a visitor, the village of Nijkerk looks like a model of Dutch calm and order, its neat streets filled with cyclists and lined with tiny townhouses.
But to Bert van Ramshorst and his family, the town no longer feels like home. Its citizens now come in a variety of hues and hold a wide range of beliefs, some of them deeply at odds with the pacifism and expansive liberalism that has long characterized Dutch society.
"I've lived here, in this town, almost all of my life, and it just doesn't feel like Holland any more," the 42-year-old electrical contractor said, as he took a break from packing to sit with his wife and three young children in their narrow, cozy living room. "It doesn't feel like the place where I want to raise my family."
So the van Ramshorst family, troubled by the changes brought about by immigration, have decided to become immigrants themselves.
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With their move to Vancouver this summer, they are joining an unprecedented number of people from the Netherlands who have decided, in recent months, to make a new home in what they see as the more comforting and less divisive Canada.
The sudden exodus to Canada has taken the Dutch government entirely by surprise.
During the past year, and especially during the past five months, the number of Dutch citizens applying to depart for faraway countries -- notably Canada, as well as New Zealand and Australia -- has increased to levels not seen in the tiny nation's modern history.
Most of those emigrants, according to the people who help them make their moves, are leaving because of their complex and surprising feelings about the changes to Dutch society brought about by immigration.
For some, the desire to leave is a response to the immigrants themselves, and what many people here view as their violent, divisive, non-Dutch ways.
But just as many Dutch immigrants seem to be alarmed that immigration has turned their countrymen into angry, intolerant nationalists.
In just about every country in Europe, immigration has become the most significant political issue, by far, in public opinion, media attention and parliamentary action. In Germany, France, Britain and Italy, immigrants have become the dominant election issue.
Faced with shrinking, aging populations and the attendant economic costs, most European countries are badly in need of immigrants. In some countries, this has led to culture shock.
The ethnic cleansing and mass migration of the two world wars left many European countries with one dominant ethnic group, so the presence of large numbers of visibly different people has alarmed and alienated many residents.
Nowhere is this being more strongly felt than in traditionally tolerant, open nations such as Britain and the Netherlands.
While both countries face severe labour shortages and therefore cannot give up on immigration, the public reaction to the demographic changes has been nothing short of fury.
In the campaign leading toward the May 5 national election in Britain, polls show that immigration is by far the most significant issue to voters of all classes and backgrounds -- outpacing by an enormous margin other hot topics such as crime and taxation.
Even the governing left-wing Labour Party has felt compelled to adopt the angry rhetoric of the anti-immigrant right, and has promised to cut back the number of refugees accepted (if not the number of immigrants).
In the Netherlands, the reaction has been equally heated. But there, people are voting with their feet.
"The entire society is changing and people are longing for the world of 20, 30 years ago -- some people believe they can only find that by leaving," says Frans Buysse, a former Canadian embassy employee who runs Holland's largest agency for people wishing to emigrate to Canada.
Mr. Buysse can pinpoint the precise moment when the Dutch outflow became a full-scale flood. On Nov. 2, the libertine filmmaker
Theo van Gogh was murdered in a bloody throat slitting by a Muslim extremist while cycling on an Amsterdam street. To outsiders, it seemed a strange, passing crime. But the Dutch responded, within their tight-knit community, the way some Americans did to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Suddenly, people were noticing immigrant crimes, and committing crimes against immigrants: December saw the firebombing of several mosques and Islamic schools.
During the next four weeks, Mr. Buysse received 13,000 on-line applications from people requesting information on moving to Canada -- more than four times the usual level. Since then, this increase hasn't stopped. And, he says, the thousands of people he has helped move to Canada during the past few years have mentioned either immigration, or intolerance resulting from immigration, as a reason for leaving.
"For certain people, Nov. 2 was a confirmation of their beliefs," he said. "As a society, we have always been very tolerant to people from other places -- for hundreds of years, this has been the case -- but we have become so tolerant that some groups are influencing society in such a way that it starts to become intolerant. People are fed up with this."
While Dutch emigrants cite numerous reasons for going to Canada, including job opportunities, a desire for adventure, and especially the wide-open spaces that are almost absent from the Netherlands, Mr. Buysse and other immigration workers say it is the tension over immigration that has pushed the emigrant numbers so high recently.
According to the Dutch Central Bureau of Statistics, 49,000 people emigrated last year, the highest number since 1954 and a dramatic increase over approximately 30,000 in 1999.
But the statistics do not reveal the strange and often contradictory motives that are driving away thousands of citizens of the Netherlands, a country that has better standards of health care, education and social services and a lower crime rate than most Canadian cities.
The Dutch, a trading people, have had outsiders in their midst for centuries. And while the past two decades have seen a more open approach to immigration from non-European countries, something about this latest wave has deeply galvanized the country against immigration.
Some blame the Dutch policy of cultural segregation, where groups such as North African Muslims are allowed to attend their own schools and not encouraged to learn the local language or culture. Others blame the simple insularity of Dutch society, which forces newcomers into such enclaves, with little hope of wider acceptance.
For two computer technicians in Rotterdam, the problem has to do not with immigration itself, but with the Dutch response to it. In the view of Ge-An Van Rossum, 36, and her husband, Bas Rijniersce, 29, Canada is a place where the tension between immigrants and non-immigrants does not exist, because that distinction does not exist.
"Canadians are all immigrants," Mr. Rijniersce said from the austere living room of their flat in a funky corner of Rotterdam. "One or two generations back, they all emigrated from somewhere else. But here in the Netherlands there has been quite a lot of problems with this question -- integration doesn't work so well. In Canada it's worked better, though I don't know why. There's a little bit more tolerance between people than there is here."
For Mr. van Ramshorst, the small-town electrician, the problem is simply that Holland has let too many people in without any attention to their ability to fit into Dutch society.
"The last 10 years, our government's policy was to tolerate almost everything, and that's not good," he said. "There's law, and there's respect of the law, and you can't just let people do anything. Tolerance is very important, but we've reached the point where we're tolerating people who despise our way of life and want to damage it."
Those fleeing what they see as a degenerating society face difficulties with Canada's immigration system. Even for the well-educated Dutch, it takes two or three years to get an unsponsored application cleared, a tougher process than most people undergo to get into the Netherlands, although Canada takes far more immigrants, as a proportion of its population, than Holland.
This difficulty has become an inspiration for some in the Netherlands, who blame their country's ad hoc immigration system for the cultural clashes. Some favour adopting the Canadian system wholesale.
"We are only now beginning to understand that now we are an immigrant country, and that we therefore need an immigration law," Mr. Buysse said. "Canada has understood that for a long time, and its points system seems to be a good model for us."
So it may seem surprising, after all the effort and research involved, that both the van Ramshorst and the Van Rossum families have decided to settle in the area immediately around Vancouver. (Dutch immigration consultants say that Alberta and British Columbia are the two most popular destinations.) After all, this is a highly multicultural region that has had its own conflicts over assimilation and intolerance.
But both families said that they don't see this as a problem -- in fact, they see B.C.'s heavy immigrant population as benefiting them, as they, too, will be immigrants.
"There's a different social consensus in Canada," Mr. Rijniersce said. "People are more interested in becoming part of Canadian society, and nobody makes a big deal about their arrival."
Netherlands emigration
An unprecedented number of Dutch citizens are deciding to leave Holland and seek citizenship in Canada to escape what they see as at home.
Dutch-born leaving the country
1995: 38,507
1996: 40,365
1997: 37,849
1998: 35,778
1999: 35,785
2000: 37,414
2001: 39,380
2002: 46,631
2003: 45,946
SOURCE: CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION CANADA, STATISTICS NETHERLANDS
Daniel Pipes confirms at frontpagemag.com what I have been saying for months, though in a necessarily limited way without delving into the deeper issues. Such as the philosophy of Pragmatism, and the ramifications of that con-artist philosophy. Of which George Orwell and others warned about. Its here now. What they want to do in the M.E. has already been done here. Corrupt and control. Capture the key institutions.
Redefine words and reinterpret history. Replace one elite with another.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17828
"Madrassahs, or Islamic schools, are a particular concern, for these train the next generation of jihadis and terrorists. Washington deploys several tactics to counter their influence:..." Daniel Pipes.
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For more in depth information and analysis go to:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm
And:http://members.mountain.net/theanalyticpapers/
Also:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a33b0424856.htm
Not to forget the pseudo-scientific con-artist pioneers of modern brainwashing and societal control, Skinner and Wilhelm Wundt are just two prominant manipulators in a long line:
http://www.sntp.net/behaviorism/skinner.htm
Halequ Khan:
This is what you get when you extend Western style mineral rights to nomadic tribes. The guys who sold Manhattan to the Dutch for a trunk full of trinkets must have roared with laughter that night around the old campfire. They didn't even "own" the island, whatever that means. Nobody owned the island. Those stupid white guys just loaded them up with treasure. We did it again in the 20th century when we extended mineral rights to the Bedouins. I say, let's admit that it was a colossal mistake, seize the oil fields to hold them in trust for the benefit of all humanity and let the Arabs suicide-bomb themselves into oblivion over which tribe is going to control the two holy mosques.
How true! We in the west have lost the will to rule, we are degenerated and the barbarians want to rule us, and most of them are illiterate morons...
Time to re-invent ourselves...
If the money stops, the terror stops. And Islam will become a thing of the distant past....
Too much wishful thinking...?
If the money stops, the terror stops. And Islam will become a thing of the distant past....
Too much wishful thinking...?
Now we know what they fear most - not the United States but their own aroused people.
Follow the examples set forth by Mohammad.
That does have a benefit, it solves the problem of suitable(?) husbands for six year old girls. Why if we all followed Mohammad's example, there would be few unmarried six year olds, only the ugly ones would be excluded. And even they might marry ugly freaks. In the early US, in Washingtons day, the age of consent for girls was ten (10) years old. Child brides were common, unspeakable abuses went un-noticed. Did ten year old girls petition congress for these "priviledges"? Or was it a bunch of letcherous old men who wanted to play with little girls who made it legal? This is Mohammads example, except that American abusers didn't go lower in age than ten. At least not officially. Well, America got past that black phase of history. States vary in protecting children, but overall, children are protected from most official abuse. At least, no one marry's six year olds...
So what else is new?
I think it's time to start re-defining the terms Islam and Muhammad TO REFLECT THE TRUTH about both of them.
Instead of calling Islam a "religion" (because it isn't) we should ONLY refer to Islam as a CULT-a DEATH CULT to be precise.
When we refer to Mohammad, make sure to put a descriptor of him with his name-ie. PEDOPHILE Muhammad, or Muhammad the Murderer, etc. Just make sure to be truthful about it.
Islam=D.C.O.I. pronounced "decoy" (as in the deception that is Islam)
D.-Death
C.-Cult
O.-Of
I.-Islam
From Mentat's link, Mr. Cohen, why do you need a bodyguard? What is the rest of Holland going to do, can they all have bodyguards?
The mayor and Mr. Aboutaleb, a trusted ally, have received death threats and now have bodyguards. A letter pinned to the body of the filmmaker called Mr. Cohen an enemy because he was a Jew and called Mr. Aboutaleb a traitor to Islam.
What, if anything, makes this calm man angry? It is, he says, the new tough talk of "war" on extremism, "war" on terrorism and "clamping down" on immigrants, heard from some politicians. "I see more polarization," he said. "I don't like it, it's bad for the city, bad for the country. Security comes from a stronger sense of community, from getting closer. I worry about the hardening tone."
OT, Putin calls the fall of the Soviet Union a tragedy.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154541,00.html