From VOA News via the Texas Panhandle, "Armenia Rejects Proposal From Turkey To Join Study Of WWI Events"
WASHINGTON - Last month, Turkey made an unprecedented gesture by offering its neighbor Armenia to conduct a joint study of the historic events that took place during World War One in Anatolia, the Asian part of Turkey. Armenia rejected the proposal.Peter Balakian, author of several books on Armenian history, says ample research has already been done. He notes that many studies, including one by the International Association of Genocide Scholars, concluded that mass killings and deportations of Armenians from Anatolia under the direction of the Ottoman government amount to genocide.
"I think there is a growth in recognition of the Armenian genocide worldwide - the Canadian government last year, the French government in 2000, the Swiss government last year, the Danish Parliament, the Italian Parliament the Vatican and many countries in Latin America and the Middle East as well. It is the result of education, of the fact that scholars have done increasingly brilliant work over the last couple of decades, writing objective, detached histories of the Armenian genocide."
According to Armenians, on April 24, 1915, the government headed by the Young Turks , the ruling political party of the Ottoman Empire, began to deport and massacre its Armenian Christian minority population, approximately 2.5 million people. Turkey denies that there was a planned campaign to eliminate Armenians from Anatolia. It says that both sides suffered losses in the war. Atrocities may have occurred, they say, but only at the hands of rogue groups or individuals, Turkish as well as Armenian. Turkey says no more than 300-thousand Armenians perished in the clashes.
Turkish-born Muge Gocek, a historical sociologist at the University of Michigan, says ordinary Turks have denied the massacres for many years because they haven’t had access to their historic documents.
"Turkish society knows very little about what happened in its own past for two reasons, says Professor Gocek. "One is because of the alphabet reform that happened in Turkey in 1928, where the Arabic script was abandoned and Latin script was adopted. Turks cannot read their own past historical documents. And the second is that things from the past were selectively translated and therefore very little scholarly information has been made available to them about the Armenian question."...
How many Armenian Christians were actually massacred by the Muslims of Turkey? Does anyone know?
Freedom I:
You can find that out here:
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/
Don't forget to check out the photo gallery.
"Turkey denies that there was a planned campaign to eliminate Armenians from Anatolia."
So they all just got up and went on a death-march into the Syrian desert on their own? Turkish troops accidently happened to show up and inadvertently shoot them along the way?
That's the frustrating thing about genocides, they just accidently happen, and there's not a damned thing you can do about it.
Thanks, Mike.
That site states that an estimated 1.5 million Armenian Christians perished in the Armenian Genocide perpetrated by the Muslims of Turkey.
Yikes. That's atrocious.
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Freedom1 Said:
How many Armenian Christians were actually massacred by the Muslims of Turkey? Does anyone know?
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A lot of digging has gone into this genocide, but not a lot of records were kept.
So how many were killed?
Did Custer know how many indians there were?
How about almost all of them from what I read.
More than 2 Million, certainly.
Most killed by simitar and knife., up close and personal.
Turkey keeps on playing this game of denial but everyone knows THIS IS A VERY BIG LIE. There were significant massacres of Armenians before 1915 - and other minorities in 'happy, tolerant Islamic Empire of Ottomans' - it was a way of life for wretched Dhimmi inhabitants who were not allowed to carry weapons to defend themselves, who had to pay heavy taxes, whose women and children regularly 'disappeared' and any who dared to protest died slowly and cruelly impaled on a stake
to be roasted in a fire! This 'Turkish punishment'
occurred recently in Balkans War during 1990's.
A little O.T perhaps but Turkish authorities have
banned the Maori Haka at Gallipoli services. They say the Haka is 'OBSCENE' New Zealanders are outraged by these comments and I personally hope many New Zealanders attending will STAGE A VERY BIG HAKA. These Islamic bigots who condemn a Pacific War Dance as 'obscene' find nothing wrong in slowly sawing off the heads of victims [Many Kurds have died this way recently] or most repulsive tortures that the Turks perpetrated
for hundreds of years upon their Dhimmi population. Let these Islamic bastards into Europe
... NEVER!! Tell em' to sod off AND RETURN CONSTANTINOPLE TO GREECE. ALSO GET THEIR BLOODY ARMY OUT OF CYPRESS...
The Armeniansare being asked to do something equivalent to:
"Holocaust survivors Asked to Join Neo-Nazi Study of WW II 'Alleged' Genocide".
Sure. Good plan.
Glad the Armenians know better than to play along.
Next we'll read:
"Crocodiles Ask Small Wading Birds To Join In Study of Disappearance of Small Wading Birds".
""Crocodiles Ask Small Wading Birds To Join In Study of Disappearance of Small Wading Birds".
Posted by: BigSleep
Now, that's funny.
NEW SOUTH WALES ALERT
Dear readers in NSW:
This Sunday a petition was handed around my church in Rockdale, against the Victorian style religious defamation laws which might be implemented here in NSW! This Anzac Day how about commemorating our sacrifice of 1915 against Islamist Ottoman expansionism with a similar fight of our own. If we let this happen to Australia – what the hell did they die for? Our civil rights are under attack. Simply for quoting verses from the Koran, honest Aussie Christians were prosecuted in Victoria. Let’s fight this anti-Australian Islamic evil! The increasing size and influence of this hostile alien community is the biggest threat to our nation since the Japanese landed in Papua New Guinea. Is it not enough that Muslims are using our respected Australian passports to travel the world to plan terrorism? Is not enough that innocent Australians were blown to bits by Muslims in Bali? Are the gang rapes and gang related shootings in Sydney not enough? Is it not enough that Lakemba and Bankstown have become virtual no-go areas? So what now - we can’t even debate the nature of Islam? And in 20 years, what - Sharia law?
Stop this cynical ploy by the NSW Labor government to win votes from minorities, half of whom know next to nothing about Australia anyway.
Armenians tried the dhimmi route in the past, and it didn't work. It never has for any dhimmi group, and it never will. But the Armenians know it from experience, and the rest of the West should take an example. The fact that the Bush administration is forcing Israel to adopt dhimmi policies toward the "Palestinian" Islamofascist savages is a crime.
There is hope, however, because there are signs everywhere that Westerners are waking up! May the new Pope live long enough to apply pressure on the European governments to shed their suicidal politically correct, dhimmi attitudes and permanently block Turkey from entering the EU.
There is rising nationalism in the West. As people learn more and more about Islam, they feel angry and betrayed by their governments who celebrate "diversity" by giving deferential treatment to Muslims, who sanction barbaric practices such as female genital mutliation and honor killings, and who continue to allow immigration from Islamic countries, all against the wishes of their CITIZENS. (The U.S. has a similar problem with respect to illegal aliens from Mexic. In both cases corrupt politicians without any principles whatsoever are undermining law and order, which are critical to sustaining a civilized society.)
This cannot and will not last. When the frustration and rage reach a critical level, don't be surprised if various Le Pen's are elected throughout Europe.
The Armenian Genocide needs to be better known.
I posted last week about my stumbling into the service at St Paul’s Cathedral 10 years ago exactly (and only now do I realise the significance of April the 24th, and that it would have been the 80th anniversary), being told it was the memorial to the Armenian Genocide. And thinking, at first that this must have happened in 1945, (there was lots of 50 years since VE stuff happening at that time) and been overshadowed in public awareness of the Holocaust by Belsen and Auschwitz. And I like to think that I have a reasonable knowledge of history, so if I was so ignorant of the real events, how much less is known by the general public.
There has just been an item on my local radio about 90 years at Gallipoli and ANZAC day today. No mention of the Haka being banned, and so I hope your wish comes true Morgane.
We cannot rely on the BBC to make an accurate docu-drama any more. They were severely criticised 6 years ago about the drama "All the King's Men" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/524337.stm which showed the men of the Sandringham Company being executed by Turks, who were taking no prisoners. On present showing I doubt they will touch a whole genocide.
So it needs a feature film. Not Hollywood, although Spielberg's Shindlers List comes to mind. But thinking of the film Gallipoli, and Mel Gibson's move into directing, and the ANZAC connection to that theatre of the war, and his money. And Jack Bennet's novel thereafter. Anybody out there know Mel Gibson's e-mail address?
I'm serious, Gary and Hugh have often remarked how much people get their history from the pictures these days. So give them something worthwhile to watch for once.
Granny:
A Canadian film maker of Armenian descent, Atom Agoyan, made a movie about the Armenian genocide, called "Arrarat".
All: the term "genocide" was actually coined by a Polish Jewish lawyer in response to the Armenian genocide at the hands of the Turks. I wonder if he had any idea at the time, of what was to soon befall his own people.
Hi Waterdragon
I've just been looking up some reviews of the film. I wondered what had happened to Charles Aznovoir and Christopher Plummer. That took me to the Campaign for Recognition of the Armenian Genocide website http://www.crag.org.uk/index.html which was instructive.
I met a man some years ago, half Armenian half British, he was very surprised when he found that I not only knew where Armenia was, I knew that relations with Turkey were troubled. Mind you that's about all I did know. He said that most people regarded it as part of Russia if they had heard of it at all. So it's no wonder this genocide is neglected.
Thanks for your advice over the weekend, I feel better, although still husky. An improvement on my earlier croak.