Jihad Watch reader and contributor DC Watson gathers some provocative new information on the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995:
In a follow up to addressing the joust between CAIR’s Ibrahim Hooper and Rocky Mountain News columnist Vincent Carroll, additional evidence has been produced in regard to who else may have actually been involved in the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.http://religion.upi.com/view.php?StoryID=20050412-124811-1156r
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_86_3697983,00.html
Were Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols the only perpetrators of this atrocity? For years, that’s what we’ve been told. However, with the nation marking the ten-year anniversary of this cowardly act, new or at least newly publicized evidence points out that these two America-hating domestic terrorists had some very unsavory associations with those who are tied to Islamic terrorism.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153635,00.html
There’s also the issue of John Doe number two, the all-elusive accomplice that more than two dozen witnesses say they saw in the Ryder truck with McVeigh. He has never been captured. There were two composite drawings made of this individual.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153644,00.html
The first composite was that of a thuggish looking man with a dark complexion.
http://www.greatdreams.com/john-doe-2.htm
The second composite, which has proven to be nearly as elusive as John Doe number two himself, was said to have been that of a white man, and looked absolutely nothing like the thug in the first composite.On June 14, 1995, the Justice Department announced that it had all been a big mistake. One of the witnesses, Eldon Elliot of Elliot’s Body shop, had been confused when he gave his description of John Doe Two. He had mixed him up with a completely innocent, burly army private who came to the office a day later.
Back to the first composite drawing -- which many have stated bears a strong resemblance to dirty bomb suspect and Muslim convert Jose "Ibrahim" Padilla.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/crime/terrorists/jose-padilla/
http://www.greatdreams.com/john-doe-2.htm
4/17/2005: Fox News ran a program involving the OKC bombing. The show detailed incriminating phone records, which included repeated calls from the home of Terry Nichols to a place called Star Glad Lumber in the Philippines.Star Glad Lumber is operated by a man whose brother and cousin were both notorious terrorists, involved in "splinter groups of the Abu Sayyaf terror group in the Philippines."
Nichols also repeatedly called a boarding house in Cebu City, an establishment that has been linked to 1993 World Trade Center bombing mastermind Ramzi Yousef. For the record, the same kind of ANFO fertilizer fuel bomb was used in New York and in Oklahoma City.
This may or may not come as a shock: Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, a brother-in-law of Osama bin Laden, who has been named co-defendant in a class action lawsuit filed on behalf of over 500 families of the 9/11 victims, also founded the Philippines branch of the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO), which has been designated a terrorist financing organization by the United States and other countries. There have also been some formerly classified Philippines investigative documents that have provided the basis for almost all major media reports concerning Khalifa's ties to al Qaeda and Abu Sayyaf.
Apparently, our government decided to deport Khalifa seven days after the Oklahoma City bombing, despite a jailhouse confession and documents relating to bomb construction. The entire story can be read at http://intelwire.egoplex.com/khalifa100603.html.
Although much of this information has been available since the OKC bombing, many questions remain unanswered. Are all of these ties simply coincidental? Is there some sort of government cover-up? Or should Islamic terrorist apologists postpone their claims that the idea that "Middle Eastern terrorists" carried out the OKC bombing was a "faulty assumption"?
Morning all!
Today’s Extras:
More Academic Insanity on 9/11:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17749
More on Manchester Madness:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17750
*heads out*
Another example of Pragmatist philosophy in action.
Ultimately a philosophy's definition of truth is where everything else originates from- everything, every action and utterance.
Pragmatic definition of truth: something is true only if it is useful.
We are children and inferior to our great elitist masters. So thats how they treat us, knowing full well that it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Thats the objective. Thats how the con-artists,incompetents and the pathological of the elitist class maintain their positions of power and privilege.
An islam connection would have distracted and confused the issue and possibly ruined a golden opportunity to quash the dangerous non-conformist militia movements that had been gaining ground around that time. Those evil constitution-quoters.
Who like the "extremist" muslims, were "taking the text out of context".
The Pragmatists have remade the constitution, and are trying to do the same now with islam.
The internet is an enemy of the Pragmatists, watch how they try to gain control of it.
From Gary's link:
And she did not stop there. Abdelmessih says Fatma also threatened his family in Egypt, where Copts are brutally persecuted. He says that Anne Bonney, in turn, told him she feared for his and his family’s safety so much that she decided to station campus police at the classroom door to admit only enrolled students. "I asked Fatma in class if she intended to do the course work and homework in the class I had prepared before criticizing the course. She replied, 'No, I'm only here to watch you, '" Abdelmessih said.
Nice. Remember, there is no compulsion - to do anything - in islam.
LOL
Geoff
Instead of trying to find anything that will deflect blame away from the Amerikan "patriot" militia-fundie movement, how about we concentrate on finding out who mailed the Anthrax? Or who leaked the identity of Valerie Plame?
Is the hope that if we can tie McVeigh to Islam, then we can tie the Liberals to the OKC bombing? Is that it? Why not just go straight for the Evironmentalism terror angle?
Kentim,
It is such a pleasure--no kidding--to hear someone refer to "Pragmatism" as a formal philosophy, rather than as a euphemism for the word "practical." Good ol' John Dewey, an American philosopher and full-blown socialist active in the early 1900s, was the chief developer of Pragmatism.
Dewey was intensely interested in education, especially of the very young, and is considered the "Father of Progressive Education." In this system, the individual is not important, the group is; knowledge is not important, feelings are; it goes on and on, leading right up to the problems we have in our schools today, including the production of a population that is not only ignorant, but anti-intellectual, and is compliant and submissive to government.
If the government says Islam is a "religion of peace," and that only a "tiny extremist minority has hijacked it," then the line we have been fed in the government schools (PC, moral equivalency, multiculturalism, diversity) leads many of us to believe it.
If the government says Islam is not involved in the OK bombing, then many people believe it, no matter how much evidence there is in support of that possibility, and if, contrary to government statements, you think Islam might have been involved, you are a "conspiracy theorist" (in addition to other ad hominems).
Lack of a reason-based educational system has brought us to this point, and only the establishment of private places of learning, be they in the home or in private schools, can reverse it.
There is still time.
This is also from Gary's link, very disturbing..this is in the US.
"When I started talking about jihad, I was constantly interrupted because these two faculty members, Fatma and Dianne, claimed that jihad doesn't mean attacking non-Muslims, but means 'protecting Islam' Then, in the middle of the class, in Arabic no less, I received threats from Fatma…and she made it clear that she would 'contact the Egyptian government.' She said, 'believe me, you will not continue this course.'"
Carolyn2:
Not only is it disturbing, I am absolutey outraged!
An email to the Connecticut state senators and congressmen is in order.
There must be something we can do to support people like Abdelmassih, a lobbying organisation focussing on incidents like this that can raise support through applying pressure on the media to report the occurence and a letter writing campaign to newspapers and politicians. It has to be relentless. Out of individual incidneces like that we can make the bigger issues clear. Do it with the full help of Coptic associations, call the organisation something like Citizens Against Jihad, something like that. This is something that can be done positively, as a form of community grassroots activism. The kind of evil and sinister wickedness practiced by Abdelmassih's persecutors cannot be allowed to pass.
Relentless pressure. Make it national news. People like him need our support.
This will continue to happen. The prof. was Copt Christian. Our educational culture will never allow anything Christian to stand, EVER. If he was teaching a course on how to urinate on a crucifix or take a self photo ala Mapplethorp with a bullwhip in your crack there would be no problem. It's the left stupid, they control the culture in this country.
My letter to the below:
President of the United States:
president@whitehouse.gov
vice.president@whitehouse.gov
Conneticut Senators:
dodd.senate.gov/webmail/
lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm?regarding=issue
Conneticut Representatives:
Representative John Larson (D - 01)
Representative Robert R. Simmons (R - 02)
Representative Rosa L. DeLauro (D - 03)
Representative Christopher Shays (R - 04)
Representative Nancy L. Johnson (R - 05)
If what I read is true, you should be truly outraged by the recent news on Manchester Community College! To think that an instructor would have to fear for his life because he has something to say that is informative about Islam is simply not in the realm of anything American. But it is in the realm of things Islamic, and a common practice in Islamic countries.
Why has freedom of speech and academic freedom been abrogated here? Why has no action been taken against the two instructors who threaten violence in the name of Islam? Why has the school administration sided with the two academics without so much as an open hearing on this matter? Why has anything as disgusting as this incident not raised an outrage in your good offices?
When you took the oath of office you swore to defend the constitution of this country. Not only when it is politically correct, but when an article of our constitution has been ignored and implicitly maligned.
Although it is not popular to question things Islamic, I believe that in this case it must be done. This incident is not about religion and it is not about race, but it is about things American, and more so about things un-American.
Please tell me that an issue as important as the summary dismissal of Michael Abdelmessih will not go ignored!
There will be no help from the ACLU for Abdelmassih. The left dominates and controls the educational system, nothing will happen to correct this injustice. The left is as intolerant as it gets and will discriminate or destroy anyone and anything that stands in their way to abolish everything decent that our country was founded on.
The OKC bombing. Happened one year to the day of the Bill (maybe ya should put some ice on that lip) Clinton and Janet (invade Elians house and deport the little Cuban boy at gunpoint) Reno. It makes since that McVeigh recieved consultation from someone with experience in bombing a building full of innocent people, naturally one would go to some ME expert. It’s believable this was a joint effort by ME terrorists carried out by McVeigh and justified as payback for Waco. Who really won here? The left did, because anything that further degrades America is good for the left.
5 Gold Stars for the Big armed guy today!!
Way to go DCWatson!!!
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECIEVED BY THEM AMEN
These suspicions of islamic involvement in the Oklohoma City bombing, have been around for a while. The evidence seems to indicate that there was some ME involvement but no real proof. On the con side, it is well known that jihadi groups would have loudly claimed responsibility for this attack, the biggest prior to 9/11. Indeed, I cant see how they would not have crowed about it, if they had been the ones responsible. You know "allah has humiliated the great Satan" etc.
What is more intriguing, is the lack of any progress in the Anthrax attacks, considering above all, that they happened back to back with 9/11. The thought does occur, that if these attacks were by RoPs, there would be severe disorder and breach of domestic peace in the US. It wouldnt surprise me, that the authorities cogniscent of this, would let this investigation die a silent death.
As our resident snake in the grass ('Shukri' or whatever the hell his REAL name is) proves-- NEVER LISTEN TO ANYTHING A MUSLIM SAYS!!!!!!!!!!! THAT ESPECIALLY GOES FOR OUR FRIENDS AT CAIR. IGNORE THEM....LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO TIMOTHY MCVEIGH AND TERRY NICHOLS WHEN they LISTENED TO MUSLIMS!! they become killer zombies!!
A Christian-Iranian acquaintance of mine told me years ago the Iranian mullahs (especially KHATAMI) masterminded this horrific tragedy. Investigative reporter Jayna Davis (writer of 'The Third Terrorist' an acclaimed recent book about the OKC bombing years in the making and a must read)has produced solid evidence that this could be true.
The OKC bombing is SO Middle Eastern in overall impression, and SO fitting in with the 1990s timeline of terrorist events it is almost ompossible to believe that the Middle East wasn't involved.
Bill, the article about Manchester CC was on DhimmiWatch recently.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005778.php
About Oklahoma City, I have always believed there was more to the story. Have you ever seen an execution happen as fast as McVeigh's?
Thx Cubed, I only recently stumbled upon the Pragmatist angle.
I am starting to think that has been and is the real dominant force in society. I'm also starting to think McCarthy stumbled upon it in his hunt for commies, ie; Eisenhower and Marshall. The communist menace was a distraction from the real source. But when he started to scratch the surface the powers-that-be came down on him.
Being the kind of person that likes to blow my own horn,several months back I started posting links to the website that uncovered the trail
of McVeigh from the USA,to Saudi Arabia,Philippines,to Al-Qaeda.
The links below give the site and a Audio of Jayna Davis talking about her research that stemmed from a threat by a Muslim that used the CAIR-Tactic to use a law-suit to scare away any bad press.
Jayna called his bluff and a Judge had to read into the records the FBI screw-ups and McVeigh's ties to a third terrorist,even the wires from the OKC bomb matched the colors and connection as the WTC garage bomb in the rental van.
Here's a eerie connection to the OKC case and the WTC attack,check out the street sign next to the Jet Engine on the street in New York.
http://www.rense.com/general63/hiding.htm
The OKC building was called Murrah,the engine from a WTC plane landed at Church and Murray st.
Murrah
Murray
Some photos of the bent street sign displayed the name Murra_ with the Y barely seen from the wrap around end of metal sign.
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McVeigh links and audio of Jayna Davis.
http://www.jaynadavis.com/main.html
http://www.jaynadavis.com/audio.html