"Residents blast NOPD in heated forum," from the New Orleans Times Picayune, with thanks to LGF:
For much of a public hearing Wednesday night on discrimination in New Orleans, the city's police force was a whipping boy.Several speakers said the force has failed to discipline its own, and that black residents are too often stereotyped as criminals by police officers who harass them. For most of the meeting, New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass sat stone-faced, but when Salaam Jihad took the microphone, his remarks proved too much for the chief.
Clad in camouflage fatigues and a T-shirt showcasing iconic Cuban revolutionary Che Guevara, Jihad said he had been the victim of police brutality in 1997, and he claimed Police Department brass failed to investigate the incident seriously. If he found himself in the same situation again, Jihad said he would "march into the 2nd District with a gun and open fire on everyone I see. I'll die like a man."
When a few crowd members murmured their approval, a disgusted Compass grabbed a microphone on the table in front of him. "I'm going to say
something here," he said, his face twisted with disgust. "This guy is
talking about killing police officers and you are applauding him.""You kill people, too!" shouted a handful in the audience....
Compass and his top lieutenants showed little emotion when taunted directly by speakers, who were each allotted three minutes but sometimes spilled over their given time. As he got up to leave the meeting in Dillard's Lawless Chapel, Compass grimaced when asked if he thought the meeting was worthwhile. Outside, he confronted Jihad again and told him he was "delusional."
Jihad insisted he was neither advocating violence in general nor encouraging African-Americans to take up arms against the NOPD. He said his remarks were strictly personal, and that Compass had misinterpreted them.
Salaam Jihad has learned his lessons well: say something outrageous, and then claim to have been misinterpreted. It's a time-tested and trusty tactic of scoundrels everywhere. A question: how could he make blatant threats like that and walk out of the meeting without handcuffs on?
Salaam Jihad--what a name.
Still, this agitator's antics should not blind us to what may be real problems in the training, outlook, and methods of a major metropolitan police force.
Police brutality is rampant in the US. But whats new, it's rampant everywhere there is a police force. Humans have been mis-treating captives since the very first person was ever captured. People have been abused in mental institutions, jails/prisons, dungeons, you name it. The only difference between one capturer and another is the degree of abuse. In a free country especially, police power needs to be monitored and offenders given the proper disipline. In a police state, power treats everyone equally...equally bad...except for the elect few...
"You kill people too", was a histerical statement. I'll shoot up the police dept, was even more histerical. Even dangerous...Hope the chief was taking names and addresses...these people need watching...
Law inforcement goes out of its way to be politically correct, even towards the violent element within society,trying all kinds of humane tactics when confronting the criminal element within society .
Many Americans want to coddle the criminal element.It kind of reminds us of the dhimmi attitude in dealing with muslims, that is of course until they end up confronting it or being a victim themselves of this element within society.
Yes, let the cop do all the dirty work,take all the risks and then play back seat driver when things aren't handled just the way you think they should be. Law inforcement cannot afford to play paddy cake with those who have little regard for the rule of law as Salaam Jihad has so openly displayed in front of the New Orleans Police Department. There are two kinds of people in society; the decent and the indecent. When it comes to police people either like them or they hate them.
Makie...I agree that US law enforcement go's out of it's way for PC. Mis-treatment of arrestee's captives, prisoners ect, is not officially santioned. It's the "hands on", personal and up close situations that lead to abuse. My own experience with law enforcement and mental institutions is that abuse goes on frequently, under the radar of superiors. For example, a diagnosis is not what is treated in a mental institution, "behavior" is what is treated. Often that behavior is violent or obnoxious, or defiant...all leading to possible abuse by immediate authority..."Use only as much force as necessary", is the rule, but the rule is often abandoned by mean spirited keepers, those in fear, and macho guards who just like to fight...thats why it takes a special type of person to be a police officer or guard...those who have a tendancy to abuse, should never be given power over houseplants, much less other humans...
Swami:
There are always a few bad apples in the basket. Law inforcement works hard to screen these types of individuals out. They do background investigations that take them to the applicants neighborhood, family,friends, and former workplaces, they give them extensive psych exams, and lie detector tests. They review use of force requirements 3 or 4 times a year. They are required to write reports if there is the slightest use of necessary force used to subdue a person, however some do slip through the cracks and can leave a bad name for the larger majority of dedicated officers who take pride in doing a good job and respecting the rights of society who by the way pay their salaries. Officers have to make split decisions in seconds every day when dealing with the criminal element that does not respect the rule of law in society while attornies can spend months analyzing the decisions these officers have made.
A question: how could he make blatant threats like that and walk out of the meeting without handcuffs on?
Because he is a muslim, that's why!
Sounds like a cowboy wannabe to me. Another Muslim punk who can't keep his mouth shut, that's all. I'd like to see him try to carry out his idle threat, and see a dozen or so police officers unload on his ass.
He can't die like a man, he's only a boy.
Just_Linda:
"A question: how could he make blatant threats like that and walk out of the meeting without handcuffs on?"
Just_Linda, Keep in mind that law inforcement training is a never ending process of dealing with variables, and tactical approaches to situations. This will sound like PC; but I`m sure the NO Police Chief would have loved to have hooked Mr. Jihad for that threat. but the moment was not the correct one,, Be assurred that he is now on the radar screen of not only local law inforcemnt but other concerned agencies.
Macki...I like the term "peace officer", better than "law enforcement officer". You are right that they attempt to screen out the bad apples. But thats the police. There are lots of psychatric aides, attendents, jailers, ect, that dont get that kind of scruteny, they are not properly "law Enforcement", but they still supervise/guard confinee's. My original point was that it is not unusual for humans to mis-treat other humans in captivity. It doesn't make it right at all, but it is common...have a good day, whats left of it...
Mr. Jihad is trapped in a behaviour pattern that will inevitably lead to his demise, most probably by violence. It will be the cummulative effect of a long series of bad choices. Isn't freedom wonderful? It allows most of us to choose to live in peace with our neighbors and allows zeros like Mr. Jihad to choose the path to his own distruction.
Inevitably, there is no comment from our trolls on any of these matters. Again, it strikes me as being odd.
Geoff
Greetings everyone:
I hope I won't be considered the troll here, but I fail to see how this relates to Jihad, other than the fact that the man involved has a Muslim name. There is no evidence that he is a devout Muslim, or even familiar with Islamic texts.
It seems to me, like many disaffected African Americans he is expressing his anger over the treatment of his community by thepolice force. To impute these remarks to Islam, without truly knowing the man's background or the meaning behind his comments is jumping the gun so to speak.
What he said is reprehensible but is probably more of a reflection of his experience as an African American as opposed to a Muslim.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Thomas,
Of all places in the US that is most PC and nice to blacks it is New Orleans. Blacks as well as all other minorities enjoy a wonderful free life there. No police harassment goes on. But if you break the law and treat the cops with disrespect don’t be surprised if you receive the same treatment in return.
My guess is that the troublemaker is a malcontent, and a far left radical, probably not even a native of New Orleans (I don’t have time right now to research his birthplace) that has been arrested several times before and has a severe attitude problem and a disrespect for authority.
No, what he is doing is taking a play right out of the muslim playbook. Anytime a muslim is arrested the first thing they claim is police mistreatment, or that they were tortured or something along those lies. It was talked about last night if you listened to the radio broadcast and is referred to as psychological warfare which is all this radical Salaam Jihad did. It is very transparent and soon will be overplayed and will be no longer effective.
Kia ora Cross:
I will guess that you are caucasian. Just because you say that African-Americans have a great life in NO and there is no police harassment does not mean it does not exist. The point is, this man's name could have been John Smith and seeing that he was a victim of police brutality he may have said the same thing.
To argue, that it was "dhimmitude" for fellow African-Americans who may have also suffered similar brutality, to applaud his statement is laughable, and a tenuous link indeed. African Amaericans in Most large American cities are disacffected and share common sentiments.
We do not know if this man is even really Muslim. In the early 60's many African American parents gave Islamic names to their children, but were not necessarily Muslim.
I rarely ever disagree with Robert. However I strongly and respectfully disagree with this attempt to link the incident with jihad or dhimmitude. I guarantee, that this man has no idea what dhimmitude is. Most Muslims are not as educated as you all want to believe about their own faith. It would be different if this man is known to support jihad or is active as a Muslim. But even so, a non-Muslim African-American in the same position may have said the same thing. I have heard many, many non-Muslim African Americans share the same sentiments.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Pardon me, but there's more to this than just a Muslim name. This fellow, Salaam Jihad, spouted off the glories of suicide.
Let's not forget that many Muslims specifically, Saddam Hussein, idolized communists, including Stalin and Castro.
One more thought: If I had such a name as "Salaam Jihad," I'd have changed that name after 9/11. Unless I were a jihadist, of course.
WatchfulEye:
He was not spouting off the "glories of suicide". He merely stated that if he was brutalised by the police once again, would walk into a police station and start shooting and "die like a man". He did not extol the virtues of jihad, the Qur'an or anything of the sort.
You are making a link that just does not exist (without real evidence), and you are missing the point that he probably represents the sentiments of many poor diasffected African Americans. Again many african americans who are brutalised by police would probably feel the same.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Thomas:
Perhaps I am overreaching, though this fellow's name still seems very odd to me. Also, the clothes he was sporting seem to indicate an agenda other than the one you mention.
I hope that you are not jumping to excuse him without having all the facts. Perhaps someone could check public records to see it there was such an incident in 1997.
Maybe there will be follow-up to this interesting story to see definitively if there is a connection to Islamism.
Thomas, I don't consider you a troll, but are you pulling our collective legs? "Salaam Jihad" is not a muslim? A man named "Hello Holy War" is not muslim at all...?
Are you taking the piss?
In other news, the local National Bocialist candidate for Dunny-on-the-Wold has just come out talking about how he'd like to take England in the streets - not in a violent Biergarden march, like that one in 1923, but just to get out and throw rocks at his fellow man. And Jews. But not in a political way. Some people, of course, might question the associations his name brings up, but I'm sure the thinking reader will know better than to make puerile assumptions about someone named Adolf Hilter.
/sarcasm off
Geoff