From the Caught Red-Handed Department, one from Saudi Sheikh 'Aed Al-Qarni, via MEMRI, with thanks to Nicolei:
In the February 7, 2005 interview on Saudi TV, Al-Qarni said: "The first ones to kill and use terrorism in the world were the Jews. Let me quote Henry Manjiro [ sic ] in his book on the history of the U.S. Abraham Lincoln... who freed their slaves, was killed in an act of terror. Kennedy was killed in an act of terror. And the list goes on. They began to act this way 200 years before us. Why don't they go back to their history? The terror attack on the building in Oklahoma was an American act of terror, as you know. The blowing up of the buildings in Washington, opposite the Pentagon, was an American terror attack [sic]."There are world Zionist circles that want to create illegitimate constitutions for us. According to these constitutions, the killing of Palestinian and Iraqi civilians is permitted or not controversial. However, when one of them [i.e. the Zionists] is targeted in revenge, this is considered terror, and the entire world has to denounce it. It is as if killing them [i.e. the Zionists] is forbidden, while the lives of Muslims are fair game. We reject this unjust distinction. We object to any illegitimate fighting...
"But we won't accept the Zionist rule, or that of the White House - which is, in fact, a Black House. We say we have a religion, and we want to make the world understand this religion. We must rely on the divine source of authority in this matter, and not on what people understand, or on the declaration that 'Whoever is not with us is against us.' Whoever is not with Allah, His people, and His Messenger, is against goodness, virtue and truth."
Sure. Goodness, virtue, and truth. And if you don't believe that he is good and you are wicked, those who think like him will lob a bomb at you.
But anyway, after MEMRI shed light on his words, he started backpedaling:
Al-Qarni's Retraction: "We Must Protect Them in Our Countries as We Protect Ourselves"In response to the publication of his statements in the MEMRI report and the ensuing criticism of Saudi Arabia, Al-Qarni told Al-Sharq Al-Awsat on February 26, 2005, that he had included no calls for violence or for harming Jews in his sermons. He added that his condemnation had been directed toward the Zionist entity in Israel, which fights Muslims and harms Palestinians in their own land.
Nonetheless, he noted: "The Jews and the Christians have the right to conduct trade in Muslim countries and to coexist [with Muslims]." To back this up, Al-Qarni quoted from the Koran [60:8]: "Allah forbids you not, regarding those who do not fight you for [your] faith and do not drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loves those who are just." He added: "We must protect them in our countries as we protect ourselves."
Ah, yes, the "protection treaty": dhimmitude. How magnanimous!
Al-Qarni denied having said that the Jews were the first to act with violence, stating that they were not, and that other nations preceded them in the use of violence. He said that these accusations were only a few of thousands against Muslims of various ethnicities, and that underlying these claims was a Zionist campaign aimed at distorting the image of Islam.
So the only part of the statement that he retracted was that part about the Jews being the first to use violence, and in doing so, he threw in more nonsense about a Zionist plot. Nice fellow.
Editor in Chief of Saudi News: We Need to Create an Organization to Counter MEMRI
Dr. Goebbels, call your office.
"Editor in Chief of Saudi News: We Need to Create an Organization to Counter MEMRI.."
The dilemma for the Arab and Muslim world is that for a long time its newspapers, its radio, its television, its politicians, its imams in the mosques, could speak or write, in the name of Islam, and prompted by the texts of Islam, and by the attitudes and atmospherics that suffuse their Islam-pervaded societies and minds, without having those khutbas, those political rants, those newspaper articles, those television shows where Christian "Crusaders" torture Muslims and Jews do even worse, without the Infidels finding out. Now all this can be monitored, and not only monitored, but published.
For years the only way to discover such information, if one were not doing the monitoring oneself, would be through reading the blue-paper copies of the Foreign Broadcast Intelligence Service -- FBIS -- which was an attempt by the American government to capture, in print, what was said on foreign radio and television shows. But the Internet, and the good work of MEMRI and other organizations, means that now, what is said on Saudi television can easily be reproduced for a large number of Infidels.
So what's a poor Saudi imam to do? He is caught, just the way that various members of various Muslim groups have been caught, saying things that of course he means, but that he has been told "look bad." Muslims now are working furiously to repair -- not Islam, but the "image problem" that has been caused by misunderstandings, the malevolence of some Infidels, and so on.
Yes, the "image problem." And damn those Infidels, they insist on no longer swallowing what the apologists dish out. They even make fun of Armstrong and Esposito. They do not immediately salaam-salaam at the first preposterous phony attempt by Bright Young Muslim Things, or Corrupt Old Muslim Rulers, to explain that Help Is On the Way -- Reform is Here, From Head to Toe, and If You'd Only Hold Your Horses, and Keep on With The Dialogue, and the Lax Immigration Policy, and the Jizyah -- We Mean Foreign Aid -- and Do Nothing About Energy, and Keep Spreading the News of "Democracy" -- within a few decades, you in Europe, and you in America too, will stop worrying.
If they listen to this prescription for Good Infidel Behavior, they will "stop worrying" in a few decades all right. But not for the reasons they complacently think.
MEMRI TV does an excellent job and is well worth a visit. The link is below. There is another link showing Iraqis (wives and mothers) confronting terrorists who have killed their relatives - again from MEMRI TV. This site deserves far more exposure than it's getting in my opinion.
http://www.memritv.org/
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ClipMediaID=52815&ak=null
Ahhh, this article clearly exhibits the delicious success of that stroke of genius - MEMRI.org .
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Hugh - As always, you nailed it again. They indict themselves with their own words and duplicitously try to backpedal which no longer has any affect on me or on many others.
Overheard at a meeting of the board...
"Hogwash", he cried, just before he slipped and fell into the boiling pit of sewage. Quran 60:8 and every other "be nice to the infidels" verses were abrogated by war verses. "Double-talk", she said, "Islam is peace","it's an example of word magic". "Bullshit", said the burly guy in the back row, there's no magic to it, it's word trickery..."Agreed" said the tall blond amazon type wearing berkenstocks..."trickery, slippery too", I tried to grab one once but he was like a greased pig and slipped away." "Thats true" yelled an old woman, waving an umbrella, They (muslims) all went to vasoline college, they slid in and they slipped out". "Most muslims share a common nic name" she informed us..."Slick". That explains a lot", said the chairman of the board...meeting adjourned....
What this fatmouthed 'cleric' apparently didn't know about the Jews is that they worship a deity, Yahweh, that has outlawed killing for any reason other than self-defense. Therefore no Jew worthy of the name is going to practice the time-worn practice of terrorism. The Jews are forbidden from killing without being attacked first.
In other words, it is not the Jews who "slay the infidels everywhere they are found." WHO IS IT WHO DOES THIS??? HMMM, I wonder....
The cleric can retract if he wants. But the horses were stolen and locking the barndoor won't bring them back inside.
Islam generates as mush ignorance as bloodshed (and that's PLENTY!!!).
Sample Dialectics from the Great Islamic University of Mecca:
Al-Q: You started it!
Abu Z: No, you did!
Al-Q: No, you did.
Abu Z: Stupid poopy head!
Al-Q: Nyah-nyah! You're a dirty pig!
Abu Z: Nuh-uh! Am not! And you said a forbidden word. You said "pig"!
Al-Q: I never said that!
Abu Z: Did too!
Al-Q: Did not!
(and so on, for 5,000 more pages, with copious footnotes, in classical Arabic, of course)
Where have I heard this lofty level of scintillating philosophical discourse before?
Oh yeah, in a kindergarten hallway as nap pillows were being handed out.
But why even pretend that these imams are saying anything but self-excusing theo-babble?
The Nazis were also masters of such 'misdirection' -with the most chilling example in their "ARBEIT MACH FREI" ("Work your way to freedom") sign.
Posted over the gate of that non-existent 'alleged' death camp supposedly called "Auschwitz". Which these imams would tell you that the Zionist Jews, in their machiavellian cunning, quickly constructed right after WW II, in Poland, in order to gain worldwide, illegitimate sympathy. And that no one ever died there. It was all a Jewish hoax. And the constant smoke rising above the camp was from communal marshmallow roasts sponsored by the kindly SS guards.
I can only hope that the followers of Islam one day either leave its dogmatic madness, -or that this cruel faith does what Hitler finally did to himself.
(After doing it to his 'favorite dog 'Blondi'.)
Islam Mach frei?
I can only hope that the followers of Islam one day either leave its dogmatic madness, -or that this cruel faith does what Hitler finally did to himself.
(After doing it to his 'favorite dog 'Blondi'.)
- BigSleep
I must assume from your nebulous remarks that you don't mean you want islam to have sex with itself. I refrain from commenting on whether or not that's even theologically possible.
You're a sick, sick individual, BigSleep.
Geoff
Geoff-
I'm sure if Mohammad had been as double-jointed physically as he was mentally, ANY imaginable position would have been possible. And funny as hell.
Sura 'nuff.
P.S.
Geoff- (meant to add this above)
Speaking of mental contortionism, here's a blood-curdling little site- and idea- to take in:
http://www.islamdigital.com/
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA21605
Check out this MEMRI article about those morally superior Palestinians,while they bitch about human rights violations by Israel the P.A. wants to re-instate execusions for treason and a few other crimes.
Of course the Palestinians will get a much fairer trial then if they were in Israel.
Suddenly Texas is looking pretty good.
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA21605
Check out this MEMRI article about those morally superior Palestinians,while they bitch about human rights violations by Israel the P.A. wants to re-instate execusions for treason and a few other crimes.
Of course the Palestinians will get a much fairer trial then if they were in Israel.
Suddenly Texas is looking pretty good.
BigSleep:
"Sura 'nuff". Nice.
Geoff