"God curse America!"

"Moussaoui Tells Court He's Guilty of a Terror Plot," from the New Duranty Times:

ALEXANDRIA, Va. - Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person facing a trial in the United States in connection with the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, pleaded guilty on Friday to participating in a broad conspiracy by Al Qaeda to fly planes into American buildings.

Mr. Moussaoui, wearing a dark-green prison jumpsuit, stood before Judge Leonie M. Brinkema of the Federal District Court here and said that he was forgoing a trial on the facts and that he understood that his guilty plea meant he might be executed.

But Mr. Moussaoui, 36, a Frenchman of Moroccan heritage who was arrested in August 2001, offered a surprise. He said that despite his guilty plea he had nothing to do with the Sept. 11 attacks.

Instead, he said, he had been planning to participate in a separate undisclosed plot to fly a plane into the White House at a different time.

In a rambling discourse, he said his role was part of a plan to force the release of Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a blind Muslim scholar who is serving a life sentence for conspiracy to blow up New York bridges and tunnels and other landmarks in 1993.

"I am guilty of a broad conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction to destroy the White House," he said, offering a new account of his role in plots that is at odds with the different versions government prosecutors have put forward....

The statement also said that Osama bin Laden "personally selected Moussaoui to participate in the operation to fly planes into American buildings and approved Moussaoui's attacking the White House. Bin Laden told Moussaoui, 'Sahrawi, remember your dream.'"

Sahrawi, Mr. Moussaoui had told the court, was his name for jihad, or holy war....

Mr. Moussaoui offered his guilty plea to all six counts over the objections of his assigned defense lawyers. In a meeting on Wednesday with Judge Brinkema, he also said that he would not contest the death penalty. On Friday, he said that he had changed his mind....

Judge Brinkema, a soft-spoken judge who has been in charge of the case from the start, offered evidence of familiarity with him and his habits as she questioned him closely about whether he fully understood the implications of his plea. She flattered him with compliments on his sophistication about the law, and added that Mr. Moussaoui, who has advanced business degrees from a college in England, "is extremely intelligent with a better understanding of our legal system than some of the lawyers who have appeared in court."

Mr. Moussaoui told her, "I know I cannot expect any leniency from the Americans."

As marshals led him out, Mr. Moussaoui shouted: "Allah akhbar! God curse America!"...

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"As marshals led him out, Mr. Moussaoui shouted: "Allah akhbar! God curse America!"..."

I wonder what Jesus would have said...

Yes, those are some good, virtuous people.
/sarcasm

If this stupid SOB was going to fly a jumbo into a building and kill himself to become a martyr why is he fighting the death penalty?

What a coward...

Moussaoui stated: "I'm not interested in your class on 'safely landing the aircraft.' Just teach me how to steer this thing."

And your Jihad name shall be: Stoopid Schmuck!

Well hindu, there is no point in dying alone, he must murder a few thousand infidels to go to the great bordello in the sky. Now I figure he'll just get a wet kiss from Arafat.


It's just a formality, we knew he was guilty all the time...It's about time he admitted it, wonder why the change of heart?
Oh, thats right, there is no heart involved,so that cant be it...Maybe he had a fireside chat with Allah... Allah Akbar, reminds me. I read somewhere that Allah Akbar is different than Allah(u) Akbar. Allahu was used as a battle cry by Mohammad. He believed that it intensified or amplified the power he was getting from Allah. Like a shot in the arm or a rush of adrenalin. Allah in extention...Interestingly some Qabalistic Magicians use the symbol L.U.X in rituals, it means "light in extention". One little known or over-looked practices of Mohammad was black magic. There are Hadith that mention him "invoking evil", on Jews and other believers. The word "invoking " is wrong, but the black magic is correct. No doubt, Allahu Akbar was part of the ritual. Trying to use Allah by extention as a garden hose, to send a stream of evil to chosen victims. What has this to do with Moussaoui? Only a small tip off that he has actually given up. If he used Allahu I would think he was still in attack mode...of course he may have been mis-quoted by the reporter, who may not know the difference between Allah and Allahu...

If this silly judge had just accepted his original guilty plea several years ago- instead of talking him out of it- we could have saved hundred of thousands of dollars in delaying costs- and the maniac would have been safely returned to the wormy depths of the Earth, and those funds could have been better spent pursuing the next wave of lunatics.

Thanks a lot Judge "A little bit of the Stockholm Syndrome?" Brinkema!

This must be a jihadist tactic, to screw with the legal system's tendency to folly, keep changing pleas, and waste our resources.

Only pathetically naive, jurisprudentially-pixillated dolts would play along with it.

And they do do do.

Mr. Moussaoui, who has advanced business degrees from a college in England, "is extremely intelligent with a better understanding of our legal system than some of the lawyers who have appeared in court."
Because of guys like Moussaoui it is getting harder to characterize the violence of jihad as a reaction to political, economic or social repression of the Muslim world by the evil Western empires. Of course his lawyers advance the fantasy claim that he is not mentally competent, an argument which if accepted, would apply equally to more than a billion Muslims. Moussaoui makes it clear that the jihad is a manifestation of a 1400 year-long naked aggression with no other purpose than their clearly stated goal of military conquest.

In pluralistic societies the leaders will begin to reflect this truth in their words and action when first a critical mass of their constituents begin to do so. When the median voter understands that we are in the middle of a global and epic clash of fundamentally incompatible ideologies, we will begin to see the kind of action that our ancestors were compelled to take in order to preserve our civilization from the onslaught of this primative horde. So if we want action from our leaders, we must first educate the median voter. Except through the collective experience of extreme violence such as 9/11 and Beslan, that education is achieved by books, magazines, cinema, websites like Jihad Watch, lecturers, talk radio, television, newspapers, visual and performing arts, etc. That is how the median voter will "get it", and only then will the political leaders follow with action.

It is difficult for the median voter to believe that this is really the face of an ancient enemy. That happened to our ancestors centuries ago, in history books, not in our time, right? But if guys like Moussaoui are not insane, the implications of this being the same old jihad re-emerging in our time are unthinkable: global conflagration on a scale that would undoubtedly exceed the scope and scale of the violence we experienced in WWII.

These are depressing thoughts to be sure. But the signs of their truth are becoming more evident with each passing day. The Muslim world has accepted it, now it is time for the non-Muslim world to accept it and to get on with what our ancestors had to do in their day. Of the outcome there is no doubt, that's just math, and the math is indisputable: the non-Muslim world will overwhelmingly prevail. But there is no way to avoid the cost of the inevitable victory that will be measured in millions of lives and the loss of immense cultural treasure that has been accumulated over thousands of years.

Moussaoui stated: "I'm not interested in your class on 'safely landing the aircraft.' Just teach me how to steer this thing."

This statement is indicative of the Arabo-Muslim mindset because it drips arrogance and contempt for the pathetic infidel.

Islam breeds this swagger and condescension in spite of the political, social, cultural, economical and technological (amongst others) superiority of not only the West, but practically the rest of the world.

Yes, this trial is a total waste of money and utterly predictable!

It's a small world after all,if these Islamic threats and killings continue I figured that
people like me would gladly fly a fully fueled
747 into the Rock at Mecca during Hajj.
I doubt Muslim will show the restraint we had after the 911 attack,the Quran tells Muslims that the infidels are guilty before proven innocent by converting to Islam.

Any comments Mr.Hooper?

Just for the record, the statement I wrote above and attributed to Moose-owie was for laughs. He isn't as far as I know known to have said exactly those words although his instructors state:

"He had attracted attention because of his interest in flying planes but not necessarily taking off or landing."


http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28443

It's a small world after all,if these Islamic threats and killings continue I figured that
people like me would gladly fly a fully fueled
747 into the Rock at Mecca during Hajj.
I doubt Muslim will show the restraint we had after the 911 attack,the Quran tells Muslims that the infidels are guilty before proven innocent by converting to Islam.

Any comments Mr.Hooper?

It's a small world after all,if these Islamic threats and killings continue I figured that
people like me would gladly fly a fully fueled
747 into the Rock at Mecca during Hajj.
I doubt Muslim will show the restraint we had after the 911 attack,the Quran tells Muslims that the infidels are guilty before proven innocent by converting to Islam.

Any comments Mr.Hooper?


It's a small world after all,if these Islamic threats and killings continue I figured that
people like me would gladly fly a fully fueled
747 into the Rock at Mecca during Hajj.
I doubt Muslim will show the restraint we had after the 911 attack,the Quran tells Muslims that the infidels are guilty before proven innocent by converting to Islam.

Any comments Mr.Hooper?

Oops.

We need to fry this pig. I bet he'd make a lousy tasting pork chop.

Moussaoui is taking us for a ride with his bogus guilty plea and attempts at the death penalty. This will make him a martyr in the eyes of Islam, the very thing we ought to deny him. Judge Brinkema ought to change this plea to "not guilty" and thereby force a trial where most facts will come to light. By accepting the plea of guilty, Moussaoui circumvents a trial and the higher ups in the jihad war against Israel and the West are protected. No questions asked, therefore no answers will be given. A guilty plea also dovetails nicely with the Bush administration institutional ignorance of Islamic holy war. No, bring this S.O.B. to trial and force him to interact with infidel (preferably Jewish) prisoners in the general population when they do find him guilty. DO NOT give this asshole the satisfaction that he desires (becoming a martyr). Furthermore, none of us ought to be impressed with his level of education. He is a clever devil, whose wisdom has become corrupted with pride and religious self-righteousness.

"Moussaoui is taking us for a ride with his bogus guilty plea and attempts at the death penalty. This will make him a martyr in the eyes of Islam..."

No, dying for Allah is what pleases Allah. Not becoming a good and giving person or repenting and loving one's neighbor. So I say, if he wants to be a martyr we should accomodate him. Insert his jihad infected carcass onto a Bar-B-Q fork, put him over hot coals and give him a spin. He can embrace that vile, maggot infested pedophile, Arafat...

http://www.masada2000.org/Arafat-Hell.html

BRING ON THE MEAT!!

This poor man has been held in solitary confinement for four years. He has been subjected to God only knows how much physical and psychological torture and drugs. He is clearly insane, and he has not even been accused of harming anybody in any way, much less killing anyone.

His only "crime" is that he is a Muslim who refuses to renounce his faith. LET HIM GO!

Duh, yeah Norseman, that's the crime he's committed. Sure sure: he's in jail because he's a muslim. Sure thing.

LOL - right, he's only been accused of PLANNING to murder people. He wasn't smart enough or brave enough to actually get it done. Get it? You've as much as admitted (by only stipulating to his incomplete actions) that he was indeed - as charged - plotting deaths.

I'm curious: can you debate me about this? I want to know how dumb you are.

Geoff

From What Really Happened:

Now, what does this supposed guilty plea get Moussaoui. It gets him killed. Four of the charges he supposedly pleaded guilty to carry an automatic death penalty. So, why should he plead guilty? At least going through the trial delays the inevitable, plus gives him a public forum to get his side of the story out to the world.
Obviously, this supposed guilty plea plays right into Bush's hands. There will be no trial examining the evidence, no risk of the whole case coming unglued like the "Ricin lab" hoax in Great Britain. Moussaoui doesn't get to say anything to reporters, then gets killed and buried.

This is another hoax, people. Moussaoui has probably been told that his execution will be faked if he plays along with a guilty plea right when Bush needed it. By the time Moussaoui realizes he's been double-crossed, the potassium chloride will already be in his veins.

Norseman, you have got a lot of nerve showing up here again. You say you are not a muslim, I have my doubts. People who don't remember Norseman should read some of his posts, and Norseman you should just go away.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005241.php#c75469

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005241.php#c75492

"By the time Moussaoui realizes he's been double-crossed, the potassium chloride will already be in his veins."

That statement induced a hearty chuckle. Thanks for the laugh.

That was indeed hilarious.

Maybe Karl Rove is the one who injects him?

Geoff

Nobody has been executed yet. None of the Gitmo prisoners has been court martialled and they should have been put against the wall long ago.

The Bali bombers hang out at Starbucks in Jakarta. Bashir got less jailtime than an ordinary thief for planning and ordering the Bali bombings and the attack on the Mariott hotel.

Moussawi will not be killed for something he didn't (or rather from what he was prevented) to do.

Something is wrong here, very wrong. Perhaps 'Norseman' can explain it?

"By the time Moussaoui realizes he's been double-crossed, the potassium chloride will already be in his veins."

Potassium Chloride? More like Potassium Cyanide, ain't it? KCl vs. KCN...

In Florida we use sodium chloride. Sometimes it takes a while, but they keep.

"He is clearly insane, and he has not even been accused of harming anybody in any way, much less killing anyone."

Yep, that's why he pleaded guilty. Because he's innocent!

hindu: so he can keep spewing this kind of cheap propaganda, of course.

Norseman-

If G.W. Bush were as clever as you want to give him credit for, then he would have already caught Osama Bin Limpin' and Zar-coward, tricked them into confessing, too, and, with the popularity gained, had the Constitution changed so he could run for a third term.

Moussaoui has played the legal game well enough to survive for 4 plus years, and, with lackey lawyers, can probably play out his appeals for another 10.

Death sentences are so in name only in most cases.

He knows the ropes, and probably likes the free food and medical care and housing and cable t.v. too much to let it go too soon.

If the damned chickenshit F.B.I. and vapid judges had had any brains, they would have hacked into Moussaoui's computer in August of 2001- which was in their hands, but they were playing legalistic pattycake back and forth about 'whether they had the right to look at what was on his hard drive'- and probably could have prevented much of 9/11's carnage.

I just wish he would hang himself in his cell with a his worry beads and save us further expenses.

God curse his soul!

Put the jerk on trial and get all the bad dope about Islamic militancy out in the open. Also, all the info he can give should be pumped out of him. After that, he can get the long drop and short tow.







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