The mask slips in Al-Ahram. From MEMRI, with thanks to Rebecca Bynum:
A convention held by the Egyptian newspaper "Al-Ahram," which was attended by writers and experts on Palestinian affairs following the Palestinian Cairo agreement on calming down the situation [ Tahdiah ], also hosted the head of the Hamas political bureau, Khaled Mash'al....
"Hamas controls its military wing... and despite that fact that it is one of the largest factions of the resistance, it is highly capable of keeping its men disciplined. Tahdiah means Tahdiah [and when you talk of] escalation, there is escalation. There is a commitment and it is honored... In the eyes of Hamas, Tahdiah is a trick within the resistance plans, [but] in the eyes of the [Palestinian] Authority, Tahdiah is a step on the way out of the resistance plan... but we still give it a chance... we can be patient and suffer, but not from the perspective of those who want to be free of the Intifada..."
"... Regarding the nature of the struggle, we know and understand that the international arena does not accept harming civilians... but the existence of the occupation requires resistance... Hamas is not in power and it operates according to the public's state of mind. If the public would shun the resistance, Hamas could not uphold it. We respect the public, for if not, why would we have accepted this Tahdiah now?...
"... Hamas's project is the resistance. [History] has not seen an occupation end without resistance... every negotiation devoid of resistance is useless... Hamas will become a political body only after an independent state is established. As long as there is occupation, it [Hamas] will combine the resistance with political activity...
"... I cannot be satisfied with the 1967 borders alone and see them as a permanent solution... A Palestinian might say: 'Who gave you the right to forego the rights of Palestinians?' So Abu Mazen himself says, in his talks: 'I cannot forego the right of return.' It will be his political suicide, for there are 5-6 million whose problem must be solved. However, Hamas has no objection to accept the 1967 borders as an interim solution.
"... Is there ambiguity about Hamas's position regarding the future of the Palestinian state? [Does Hamas want] a democratic state or a bi-national one? We want a democratic state... in the religious aspect, we will not impose anything on the people, and we do not want fanaticism or extremism. As for a bi-national state, I understand the concept, but the meaning of a bi-national state is that you, the weaker side, ask for equal rights. I can ask for this for one hundred years, and we already have experience with the 1948 Palestinians [Israeli-Arab citizens]. A bi-bational [state] is not a practical solution and in the end [Palestinians will be annexed] to an occupation state..."
When Israel Withdraws From Gaza, There Will Be a Period of Rioting Over the Loot
"... There is concern that a conflict will break out over the loot [in the settlements that Israel will withdraw from in Gaza]. The main fear isn't from the public at large, but from the PA personnel – those who are supposed to be the guardians [of the assets] are themselves the thieves. All those who took land [without a permit] and built shacks on them on the beaches of Gaza are men from the [Palestinian] Authority and the [Palestinian] security forces. Therefore, there is an agreement among all Palestinian bodies that the Fatah or the PA will have no sole right on these lands. I fear that if Israel withdraws from Gaza, and it must, there will be a period of rioting or problems resulting from a conflict over the loot and control [and the question] of who will fill the void... Hamas will not be part of this conflict, but it will not let the decision in Gaza be a monopoly of one body. It will insist on being a partner with others..."
Israel was invaded by militant Islamic Arabs in the seventh century, and in such numbers and with such momentum that the Jews who in fact are the major culture group indigenous to Israel have never had the military might to force them out completely. The militant Islamic Arabs that the Jews of Israel have been forced to co-exist with on their own soil are the source of today's Palestinians. And by the way the CORRECT term for an inhabitant of Palestine is Philistine, NOT Palestinian. But the Philistines ceased to be a viable ethnicity and ceased to exist prior ro 600 BC.
This is the real 'occupation', Israel's territory being squatted on by militant Islamic conquerors. And it is the same story playing over and over again in such places as the Caucasus, the Balkans, Asia Minor, Southern Sudan,
the Philippines to name but a few places.
Not only is Israel not the instigator it is also not unique in this respect.
nicely put. now i just wish the israelis had kicked every god damn one of them out in 1948. Then if they tried this crap it would be a simple matter of using some f15's and 1000lb bombs.
Will we give back Calf to Mexico and what about TX then there is AZ or what about UT and CO or NM and now NC Mexicans want these states and now are flooding them with illegals will we just give that land to them because they are making claims??
and the mulsums in the Phillippens who want to claim land is this not what Twian is doing?? why is it okay for mexicans and mulsums to lay claim to lands not their own but are given them anyway??
must be a M thing??
or is it the picking and the picking until it is to late??
It is not to late and the reason the ham-as is laying low is like it says the people are tried of fighting and it seams they know Israel will find them and kill them the monsters are willing to send others to their death but are really cowards who run away!!!
Do not give up Israel or the USA some things are worth fighting for!!
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Interesting (but not surprising) that out of all the information in the article, MEMRI (a biased anti-Arab organization) is only able to focus on the one point that they could use to demonize the resistance. The other positive aspects, are practically ignored.
Pythagoras, you need to read up on your history. There were only Christians in Jerusalem when the Muslims conquered it because the Jews had been banned from the city by the Roman rulers for being "Christ-killers". It was only when the Muslims conquered the area, that Jews were finally allowed back in.
Catherine, in the situation in the US, it would be unjust for the current inhabitants to be kicked out and the land given back to the originals because the current inhabitants did not steal the land. i.e: Both the thieves and the victims are died several hundred years ago.
In Palestine, however, many of the victims and the thieves are still alive. Many of the Palestinian refugees still have their land records and the keys to their homes in what is now called the State of Israel. A majority of the current inhabitants in Israel have only recently (past 60-70 years) arrived.
Of course, this should come as no surprise. No moderation can ever be found in Hamas, the PLO, Fatah, Hezbollah and their various organs, the "political wings" notwithstanding. Indeed, the UN, the EU, and the various pro-Palestinian groups (on the Left and the Right - moreso on the Left) will still dismiss this as empty rhetoric in order for Mash'al to receive support from the "hardliners". It has happened already. Take a look at treatment cowardly thugs like Abbas have received from the media, take a look at Chomsky's dismissal of Mahathir Mohammad's anti-Semitic remarks, take a look at that toad Alistair Crooke's meeting with Yassin, etc etc
It is always Israel's fault, never the Palestinians. Whatever government they have in power, the Israelis must negotiate with it. They must. Don't mention how extreme their positions are because invoking "transfer" is just as egregious as Sheik Ahmed Yassin stating "It is a sacred Islamic land. We shouldn't give up one inch of Palestine even though we don't have at this time the needed power to liberate it." And to the nutters of the Electronic Intifada, ISM, and MESA Nostra ilk, transfer is far worse. They agree with the article above:
"We want a democratic state... in the religious aspect, we will not impose anything on the people, and we do not want fanaticism or extremism"
Dhimmitude is the only peaceful answer. It will solve the Palestinian refugee problem and it will erase the Naqba thereby remedying the Arabs of their "shame". These activists are not stupid. They know exactly what will happen and they support the dhimmitude option. Sure, there will be expulsions and pogroms, but those damn Zionist Jews deserve it. Right?
The "calming down trick" is no surprise for it is described in the Koran as the methods used by Mohammed himself: pretend to make peace and then rise up to kill all. Thus, Islam = pretense and lies. It's as simple as that.
No one should ever believe in the veracity of any peace treaty made with Muslims for they make them as a temporary solution until they can then rise up and kill all. Unfortunately we haven't learned the lessons of history...
Thieves and victims? My ass. Here’s how America got Texas from Mexico. Santa Anna a Mexican General took his Army to a place now known as San Antonio. He executed 400 Texans who had surrendered at the Alamo. Anna was captured at San Jacinto after his army was wiped out. Texans demanded his execution but Sam Houston offered the dictator Anna “his life for Texas” Anna signed and Texas was independent. Stolen my ass it was bought and paid for with American blood. Dumbass. Someone else should be reading up on their history.
For about the one thousandth time, Hitler was not a Christian. Rublev posted a very informative post December 12, 2004 on the "Marines learn how to fight for allah" thread, read it.
Shurki, I know you looked long and hard for something about MEMRI and that was the only thing you could find. (Actually, I don't know why you don't just post ancient links like Ia786...oh, wait. You did.) Unfortunately, you avoided posting the response, which is available for everyone here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,778373,00.html
Basically, it refutes the author of the first article completely.
"The other positive aspects [of the terrorist uprising], are practically ignored."
Regrets, there don't seem to be any positive aspects, unless you could elaborate on them. I believe we already discussed them, and that you refused to post anything further.
"Pythagoras, you need to read up on your history. There were only Christians in Jerusalem when the Muslims conquered it because the Jews had been banned from the city by the Roman rulers for being "Christ-killers"."
No, there have always been Christians in Jerusalem, sorry.
"it would be unjust for the current inhabitants to be kicked out and the land given back to the originals because the current inhabitants did not steal the land. i.e: Both the thieves and the victims are died several hundred years ago."
Why differentiate it on a temporal scale? You're all for the greater good without worrying about the circumstances - and how many people from 1948 (when the first major campaigns against Israeli settlers started, although there were more informal attacks and massacres of Jewish immigrants long before then) are alive now? Not many, comparatively. The vast majority of the 'Palestinians' alive today were born where they are now. It seems more appropriate to let the Israelis stay as well.
Geoff
Ramaz is ignoring Hitler's virulently anti-Christian, but pro-Islamic statements. Here are some of them from the book "Hitler’s Table Talk; 1941-1944" (" translated by N. Cameron and R.H. Stevens, Enigma Books (1953)) that Rublev cited.
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew." (July 11-12, 1941)
"The best thing would be to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually myths will crumble. …"Observe, by the way, that, as a corollary, the Mussulman was promised a paradise peopled with houris, where wine flowed in streams –a real earthly paradise. The Christians on the other hand, declare themselves satisfied if after their death they are allowed to sing Hallelujahs! …Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in this respect. And that’s why its structure will collapse." (October 14, 1941)
"I can imagine being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mahomet, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! …Christianity is an invention of sick brains." (December 13, 1941)
"And what nonsense it is to aspire to a Heaven to which, according to the Church’s own teaching, only those have entry to who have made a complete failure of life only on earth! It won’t be much fun to have to meet again there all those whose stupidity, in spite of the Biblical tag "blessed are the humble of heart," has already infuriated one beyond endurance on this earth! Imagine how tremendously attractive a Heaven will be to a man, which contains only women off indifferent appearance and faded intellect!" (April 19, 1941)
"As soon as the idea was introduced that all men are equal before God, (the ancient) world was bound to collapse." (December 14, 1941)
"The reason the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilization by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society." (October 19, 1941)
"The law of natural selection justifies …incessant struggle by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure." (October 10, 1941)
They can take there keys and stick them where the sun don't shine. I don't ever hear anyone crying for the 600,000 jews kicked out of there ancesteral homelands in every arab country who had all there property consfiscated.
Ramaz
I'd hate to rain on your parade - but Hitler was not a Christian man. In fact he held many pagan cerimonies celebrating pagan gods. He was also a follower of Charles Dawrin - who advocated "survival of the fittest" and "social dawinism" which said white people were superior.
Hitler, Christian? Where in the hell did you get that idea Ramaz? Did your teachers also tell you that mean ol’ whitey wanted to finish off all the injuns too?
Posted by: Ramaz at April 18, 2005 08:08 PM
WHAT A SILLY MAN YOU ARE I AINT BASHING NOBODY JUST NOT GOING TO STAND FOR BEING INVADED
DID YOU GO TO THOOSE LINKS THAT IS THEIR WORDS AND DEADS NOT MIND!!
ARE ALL MEXICANS PART OF THIS GROUP NO BUT CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE I CAN!!
IF THEY AINT IN THIS COUNTRY LEAGAL THEY DON'T BELONG HERE JUST LIKE A RAPIST DON
'T BELONG ON THE STREET TO RAPE AND KILL LITTLE GIRLS!!
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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to Victory to Crush ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat give the World Courage to Stand and Fight them Amen
PS
Ecclesiastes5:14
14] Therefore he says
AWAKE, You who sleep arise from the Dead
And the Lord your God will give you light in the Darkness
6:10] Finally my Brethren be strong in the Lord your God and in the Power of his might
11] Put on the whole armor of God, That you may be able to Stand against the wiles of the Devil
13] Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to with stand in the Evil day and having done all to Stand.
16] Above all, taking the Shield of Faith with which you will be able to quench all the Fiery Darts of the Wicked ones.
REMEMBER
Luke 22:36] Then he said to them,” But now, he who has a moneybag let him take it and like wise a knapsack and he who has no SWORD let him sell his garment and Buy one.
37] For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished to me and he was numbered with the transgressors”
REMEMBER
Jesus did not come to change the laws of the prophets before him?? You can not understand the New without knowing the old!!!
THERE ARE STORYS THAT SAY HILTERS GRANDMOTHER WAS JEWISH DID THAT STOP HIM NO DOES IT MATTER WHAT HE WAS OTHER THAN A MONSTER AND WORKED WITH MONSTERS TO KILL MANY PEOPLE HE HAD A MULSUM ARMY THAT RAN AWAY WHEN THE RUSSIANS WERE COMING!!!
The Shaw Commission
(1930)
As a result of Arab rioting throughout Palestine, the British established a Commission of Inquiry whose purpose was to determine the cause of the rioting and to propose policies which would prevent further violence from erupting. Sir Walter Shaw chaired the Commission, which delivered its report in March 1930.
The Shaw Commission found that the violence occurred due to "racial animosity on the part of the Arabs, consequent upon the disappointment of their political and national aspirations and fear for their economic future." The report claimed that the Arabs feared economic domination by a group who seemed to have, in their perspective, unlimited funding from abroad.
The Commission reported that the conflict stemmed from different interpretations of British promises to both Arabs and Jews. The Commission acknowledged the ambiguity of former British statements and recommended that the government clearly define its intentions for Palestine. Importantly, it also recommended that the issue of further Jewish immigration be more carefully considered, in order to avoid "a repetition of the excessive immigration of 1925 and 1926." The issue of land tenure would only be eligible for review if new methods of cultivation stimulated considerable growth of the agricultural sector.
On the Commission's recommendation, immigration was halted until after another inquiry would resolve British policy. Arabs were pleased with the report, as they were with the Hope-Simpson Report which followed. The Hope-Simpson Report, along with the Passfield White Paper, were considered very pro-Arab, and led to a strong outcry from Jews all over the world.
NOW I THINK THIS WAS BEFOR HITLER AND AS ALWAYS MULSUMS USE VILOINCE AND THEN CRY THEY ARE THE VICTIM!!
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/1967toc.html
Broadcast to the Nation
by Prime Minister Eshkol
(June 5, 1967)
In the early hours of 5 June 1967, hostilities broke out. Within three hours the Egyptian air force was virtually destroyed. There was also fighting on the ground. Prime Minister Eshkol broadcast the following message to the people of Israel:
Citizens of Israel:
Since the hours of this morning our forces, on land and in the air, are returning war with a view to vanquishing the armies of the aggressive ruler of Egypt.
Egypt has forced a military campaign upon us, and all of us - the entire nation the soldiers in the front line and the civilians in the rear, will stand fast with courage and good cheer. We shall repulse the enemy and defeat his army.
READ THE REST
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If the Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch websites remain around for the next 100 years, it would be difficult to encounter a more patently dishonest poster than Shukri.
There were only Christians in Jerusalem when the Muslims conquered it because the Jews had been banned from the city by the Roman rulers for being "Christ-killers".
http://www.jewishgates.com/file.asp?File_ID=85
http://www.ourjerusalem.com/history/story/history20010829.html
http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul03/ihc.htm
Shukri, your incessant lies and propaganda would be right at home on one of the Islamic or neo-Nazi websites so why don't you take them there.