The Party of Allah attempts a makeover. "Hezbollah Seeks Legitimacy," from AP, with thanks to Rebecca Bynum:
BEIRUT, Lebanon - As its Syrian backers leave Lebanon, Hezbollah is seeking to transform its image domestically and in the West - from guerrilla group condemned as terrorist by the United States to political party respected for playing a serious, productive role in Lebanese politics.
As part of this attempted makeover, Hezbollah sent a senior representative to a meeting in Beirut last month with American and British intellectuals, including former government and intelligence officials, to talk about the group, which Washington accuses of killing hundreds of Americans in terror attacks in the 1980s.
"It was an opportunity for us to present our views and break the stereotypical image that Israel has propagated of the group," said Nawaf al-Mussawi, Hezbollah politburo member in charge of international relations, who fielded questions for three hours at the meeting....
The decision to attend the meeting by Hezbollah, a Shiite Muslim group whose name means Party of God, is part of the strategy to gain international legitimacy and domestic recognition as a major player in Lebanon's complex politics after decades during which the faction focused mostly on fighting Israel.
Jamal Khashoggi, media adviser to Prince Turki, the Saudi ambassador to London, who was present at the Beirut discussions, said the meeting offered the chance to "build tiny bridges" with factions the West rarely talks to, Khashoggi said.
"Nobody knows where it will lead," said Khashoggi.
Whether Hezbollah's attempt is genuine or just political opportunism remains to be seen. But even President Bush suggested Hezbollah could change its image when he called on it last month to lay down its arms and prove it was not a terrorist group.
But if Hizballah's jihadist goals remain the same, does it really matter what tactics they use to achieve them? So they're willing to use democractic tactics to achieve anti-democratic goals -- I should throw a party?
The U.S. government blames Hezbollah for numerous attacks since the 1980s, including the bombings of a U.S. Marine barracks and U.S. Embassy in Beirut. The group has also been accused of striking the Israeli Embassy and a Jewish cultural center in separate bombings in Argentina in the early 1990s that killed scores. Hezbollah denies the claims. In public addresses, Hezbollah's belligerent anti-Israel and anti-U.S. rhetoric has not abated. But away from a domestic audience, the group's shrewd, savvy leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, has said he is ready to discuss the current arrangement the party has had for years with the Lebanese army, a formula that has allowed it to continue bearing arms under the slogan of protecting Lebanon from Israeli aggression. "We don't carry arms as a hobby, but we feel responsible toward our country," Nasrallah said last month. One solution could be incorporating members of Hezbollah into the army and deploying them in the south - which could satisfy the U.N. call for disarmament while also retaining Hezbollah's firepower. Even Israel has noted a change in Hezbollah's tactics, with one Israeli security official saying recently that the militant group is scaling back its support of attacks against Israelis by radical Palestinian groups....
Great. But again: if the goals of Islamic hegemony remain the same, do the tactics designed to achieve this goal really matter?
In Lebanon and the Arab world, Hezbollah has gained hero status for driving Israel out after an 18-year occupation. But Hezbollah has been on the State Department's list of terror groups since the list's inception in 1997.
This reporter is repeating a historical lie perpetuated by jihadists. Hizballah did not drive Israel out of southern Lebanon. Israel withdrew voluntarily.
Washington has been pushing Syria to disarm the group, and a price for a rapprochement between the two countries - and indeed for an improvement of relations between Iran and the United States - could be the disarming of Hezbollah. Both Syria and Iran back Hezbollah, with Tehran reportedly providing the group with an estimated $10 million to $20 million monthly. The political turmoil that followed Hariri's death - including anti-Syrian protests, and the resignation of the government - has presented Hezbollah with an opportunity to project itself as a capable conciliator and an indispensable player....
Oh yeah. Iran wants to kiss and make up with the US; disarming Hizballah is the mullahs' big opportunity to do that. Why is our govenment so blinded by wishful thinking? Is no one in the Administration or State Department aware of the constant anti-US venom Iranian officials at all levels of government spew every day? Why are American newspapers and TV and radio networks not covering Iran's unrelenting message of total hostility? Do they think we're better off not knowing?
That man is walking a fine line, one phone call from Sharon to Mossad and he is dog food.
Silk purse...sow's ear
lipstick on a pig
etc,etc,etc
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”
Qur’an 97:5 “There is peace until the dawning of the day!”
Qur’an 9:7 “How can there be a covenant between Allah and His Messenger and the disbelievers with whom you made a treaty near the sacred Mosque?”
Ishaq:326 “If they ask you for peace on the basis of Islam (submission), make peace on that basis. Be of one mind by His religion.”
004.092 Never should a believer kill a believer [But the 'unbelievers' - they are commanded to slay. That includes ALL who believe in the Son of God} 009.030 ]
009.004 But the treaties are not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and ''''who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you''''. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term.
009.005 BUT -- when the forbidden months are past [when the 'treaties' expire] THEN FIGHT AND SLAY THE PAGANS ''''WHEREVER'''' ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.
The Lord of the Bible - proving Himself True...
1Cr 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? HATH NOT GOD MADE FOOLISH THE WISDOM OF THIS WORLD?
With all those university professors? - all those 'righteous' groups? - all those 'intelligence agencies' - the self professing 'Christian' leaders???
One would think they'd understand that 'allah' is not to be trusted. he is a sneak - a murderer and a liar - and has been - ever since the beginning.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; [the] God [of the Bible] is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. [The same goes for nations]
Islam is not a religion of peace. {{{so says the 'allah' of Islam: he calls ALL of the 'moderate' Muslims - liars....
004.095 Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home. But those who strive and fight hath He distinguished above those who sit at home by a special reward.
002.216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing [war] which is good for you and that ye love a thing [peace] which is bad for you?
009.039 Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.
There is not a 'moderate' Muslim in this world - who has spoken the truth about their own allah.
The 'terrorists' have spoken the truth about allah:
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt:
FOR THE TREE IS KNOWN BY HIS FRUIT
Why do the American leaders keep ignoring the obvious?
Making deals with 'allah' - is deadly!
Additional info on this subject:
"Hezbollah is seeking to transform its image domestically and in the West"? Well, Hezbollah did join one of those US-led "coalitions of the willing" in Bosnia, when Pentagon intelligence operatives were coordinating the smuggling of arms and "mujahideen" into Bosnia.
This "meeting" in Beruit attended by former MI6 operative, Alastair Crooke, "Graham Fuller, former deputy head of the CIA's National Intelligence Council, and Robert Muller, head of the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation" and other former US-UK intelligence officials with Nawaf al-Mussawi from Hezbollah is evidently this meeting also attended by a key Ptech investor named Musa Abu Marzouk. Ex-MI6 man starts US-Hamas talks
"As deputy leader of Hamas, the Palestinian militant group, Musa Abu Marzouk is a potential target for assassination by Israel. Yet there to greet him last week was Alistair Crooke, a veteran of nearly 30 years with MI6 and until recently a European Union negotiator with the Palestinians.
As they made their way upstairs, they were joined by several Americans, some of them former members of the CIA and others with links to the US administration.....
The Beirut meeting was attended by almost half the leadership of Hamas, which has used suicide bombers in Israel but is taking part in Palestinian parliamentary elections this summer.
The delegation from Hezbollah, which has elected members of the Lebanese parliament but remains a terrorist organisation in the eyes of the United States, included Nawaf Moussawi, the group’s chief political negotiator.
There were also representatives from Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, which is banned in many countries, and from the Jamiat-i-Islami party in Pakistan.
Among the US delegates was Frederic Hof, staff director of a 2001 commission on the Palestinian intifada led by George Mitchell, a former senator. They also included Bobby Muller, a Vietnam veteran and joint winner of the 1997 Nobel peace prize for his campaign against landmines.....
The results of the two-day meeting would be passed to the Bush administration, [Crooke] said."
It seems that many of those present at this Beruit "meeting" were involved in the CIA's "mujahideen" operations of the 1980's. Former MI6 official Alistair Crooke "served in Afghanistan in the 1980's and was instrumental in cultivating the Mujahidin against the Soviet invasion." The Jamaat-e-Islami "played a key role in fighting the forces of the former Soviet Union and its allied Communist regime in Afghanistan during 1980s." Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was hiding out at the home of some highly esteemed Jamaat-e-Islami leaders. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed "joined the Muslim Brotherhood." He had a lot in common with his hosts. He went "to Afghanistan to fight the Soviet Union, with his brothers Zahid, Abed and Aref." When KSM "tapped away on a laptop computer and bragged about his exploits, particularly his hand in the September 11 attacks," the CIA dragged him off to a secret location and confiscated his computer.
This Musa Abu Marzouk is another story. He was named as a defendant in a case involving Hamas, money laundering, and the Holy Land Foundation. But I doubt that he will ever be extradited to the United States. The CIA probably wants him to stay right where he is for more reasons than one. Marzouk, Biheiri and Yasin Qadi [Kadi] were all Ptech investors through BMI. Hamas linked to area housing
"In 2002, federal agents raided 14 Islamic businesses in Virginia, seizing computers, bank statements and other documents in a customs investigation known as "Operation Green Quest." That probe focused on what authorities called a "financial relationship between" BMI and a Herndon corporation Sana-Bell Inc.
Authorities said Sana-Bell existed to generate funds for a Falls Church-based charity known as the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO). In an affidavit filed in connection with the Green Quest investigation, Mr. Kane said the CIA listed the IIRO as having "extremist connections" to Hamas and Al-Gamaa Al-Islamiya, the Egyptian terrorist organization that served as a precursor to al Qaeda."
It's amazing what can slip out in these affidavits and other public records. The CIA was certainly in a position to know about the "spiritual leader" of Al-Gamaa Al-Islamiya in Brooklyn, who was Omar Abdel Rahman. THE CIA AND THE SHEIK: "According to a very high-ranking Egyptian official, when the sheikh [Omar Abdel Rahman] moved to Brooklyn in May 1990, he worked closely with the CIA, helping to channel a steady flow of money, men, and guns to mujahedeen bases in Afghanistan and Pakistan" to fight the Soviet army. This arrangement didn't end when the Cold War ended. According to Al Qaeda Recruited U.S. Servicemen: Testimony Links Plot To Saudi Gov't, Clement Rodney Hampton-El, "who fought with the mujahideen in Afghanistan," and other followers of Rahman received funds from the Saudi embassy in Washington to recruit for Bosnia. ABC News reported "that Bosnian Muslims were part of the group led by Egyptian Islamic cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman."
In Afghanistan, Albania, Bosnia, and Chechnya there was "direct support for Islamic resistance by Saudi charities such as Khalid bin Mahfouz's and Yasin al Qadi's Muwafaq or Blessed Relief and Benevolence International, as well as providing direct support to Hamas for terrorist activities." Albania? Oh, yeah, that's where some of those Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) training camps were located. Those KLA training camps were "run by Osama bin Laden, and various other foreign mujahedeen" and also by the "CIA and British intelligence...while the CIA seems to have provided monetary support." More on the Ptech saga: PTECH, 9/11, and USA-SAUDI TERROR -- PART II
"January 27, 2005, PST 0900 (FTW) - Ptech - the software company whose major investors and directors are strongly linked to the Muslim Brotherhood - produced software that derived from PROMIS, had an artificial intelligence core, and was installed on virtually every computer system of the U.S. government and its military agencies on September 11, 2001.
This included the White House, Treasury Department (Secret Service), Air Force, FAA, CIA, FBI, both houses of Congress, Navy, Department of Energy, IRS, Booz Allen Hamilton, IBM, Enron and more.
Whoever plotted 9/11 definitely viewed the FAA as an enemy that morning. Overriding FAA systems would be the most effective way to ensure the attacks were successful. To do this, the FAA needed an evolution of PROMIS software installed on their systems and Ptech was just that; the White House & Secret Service had the same software on their systems - likely a superior modified version capable of "surveillance and intervention" functions...."
"Jamal Khashoggi, media adviser to Prince Turki, the Saudi ambassador to London" was present at this Beruit meeting? Prince Turki was head of Saudi intelligence until August 2001. BCCI shareholder Prince Turki "worked hand-in-glove with the CIA in funding the proxy war in Afghanistan. Turki, working closely with [Pakistan's] ISI, distributed more than $ 1 billion in Saudi funds to the mujehedin in the 1980s. ISI officials, with guidance from the CIA, provided day-to-day military advice to the mujehedin." Remember that Rahman's followers were paid through the Saudi embassy to recruit for Bosnia.
"Both Syria and Iran back Hezbollah, with Tehran reportedly providing the group with an estimated $10 million to $20 million monthly"? So if Syria pulls out of Lebanon, who is Hezbollah going to depend on? Iran! The US and Iran covertly worked together to overthrow Saddam Hussein. As soon as Saddam was gone, then Iran's surrogates, in the SCIRI and Dawa parties became the leading political structures in Iraq. Both of these parties have received millions of dollars from both the US and Iran. To sum it up: "Iran and the United States joined hands against Iraq, they have cooperated together in staging the fake election, Iran worked closely with the United States to win support among the pro Iranian 'Islamist' parties who were in Iran for more than a decade."This is shaping up to be a US-Iranian axis, which will dominate the region."
I forgot to source the above, let me correct that oversight here
"Why are American newspapers and TV and radio networks not covering Iran's unrelenting message of total hostility?"
Because they agree with it.
That's an interesting source Giaour. Do you post there as well?
Liberty Forum, Giaour?
A "Libertarian" outlet?
I suggest that the average posters on this site give the swastika back to the Native Americans from whom they stole it, hand the word 'aryan' back to the ancient Northern Hindu tribe it derives from, and start getting reacquainted with their long-neglected frontal lobes.
And rise up from the primordial swamp of the id. Where dinosaurs like "race" and "purity" and "kultur" still roam the steamy mesozoic regions of the untamed 'mind'. While evil "Jews" gambol on the pitable prostrate 'palestinians', "Zionism" is a 'kudzu' of cosmic proportions, and hate and unimaginative slurs fly around like popcorn from a lidless pot.
The stars beckon our species.
(And humanity's grasp of everything from nanotechnology to gravity waves, telomerase life extension to cord blood 'stem' cell research grows daily...)
While the general trend of posters at Liberty Forum -and its many clones- tends toward wallowing in the primal soup of puerile paranoia, persecution complexes and isolationism, -with the occasionally mellowing spice of 'legalize marijuana' briefs, cryptic conspiracies, 'end all government control of everything' diatribes, larded with navel-gazing obscurantisms, -usually fixated on their pet historical cul de sacs.
Flaming Venom seems to be the main by-product.
"Libertarian"?
Only if your wrote the word on silly putty.
'The Jews Declare War on Germany'?
Are you sure of which side here you are backing, giaour, if that is the kind of site you favor?
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitq2.html
Gary:
Giaour is not particularly discriminating when it comes to sources that back theories he likes to promulgate. He keeps thumping Craig Usher's book on the connections between the Saudis and the Bush family as holy writ although it has been repeatedly pointed out at this site, not to mention many others, that it is full of significant errors including the statistics on Saudi ownership of US assets and the circumstances around the exodus of the bin Laden family following 9/11. His book also was a significant "inspiration" to Michael Moore's F9/11 mockumentary.
You may also recall a post of his a few months ago (about Jews being the masters at playing the victimhood card or something to that effect.) When I drew Spencer's attention to it, he agreed that it was particularly egregious and expunged it from the site. Perhaps Spencer should be notified of his referencing of this site as well.
The Hizballah was originally founded by a Christian that fought for justice and equality
in the Middle East under Islamic reign.
Here is another benevolant cause hijacked by Muslims to kill for the glory of THEIR God
and bring peace to all people on Earth.
Waterdragon~ you know what happened to the House of Usher...
Hezbollahs credibility...
Ishaq:364...Allah said..."True believers, perform prostrations, they pay the tax , they bow in homage, and renounce their agreements with Jews. They are Hezbollah, Allahs party".
Thats about as credible as it gets...