It ain't me, babe

Hilarious that he calls himself the new Saladin.

http://www.johnsons-seeds.com/details/1869.html

Lettuce 'Saladin' Somewhat like 'Iceberg', this variety produces medium-sized heads of deep green leaves. Keep moist and protect the seedlings from snails and slugs.

To which I would add the suggestion to serve with Hellmans and those nice little cherry tomatos from Tescos.

Ya gotta hand it to Ia786. He does have chutzpah. Whether it's from real study or just delusions of grandeur, I don't know, but my guess that his appeal to the "Gospel of Barnabas" shows he accepts every scrap of nonsense shoved his way.

Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Posts: 66
Location: UK, London
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: SALADIN RISES AGAIN!!! All critics of Islam I challenge YOU

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Hi guys/girls,
I have had a quick look at this forum and I think it is exactly what I am looking for. I signed up at the Robert Spencer website - Jihadwatch.org. I debated with the people on there and have humiliated them. Not one was able to respond to me. I was told to come here and have a discussion with Ali Sina. I assume you are the owner of this website.

Well as I stated I was on the Jihadwatch site and I wiped the floor with the people on that site, now my focus has come to this site. I will cause the very foundations of this website to shake. I gave my email address to everyone on the site but people were too scared to debate with me directly, one on one, I made arguments, I made challenges. I was there on my own against about 20 other people but Glory be to God came out victorious.

I am looking for intelligent people on this forum that can debate, my email address is: ia786@hotmail.co.uk
I fear no one but God, bring it on.

Anyone up for the challenge, email me at : ia786@hotmail.co.uk
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How great is the Glory of God!!!

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Isn't it funny how he thinks because we won't argue with him, that he has won his point. I don't remember him "wiping the floor with us" I just find it pointless to argue with most muslims.

Guys:

I was just going to address the same topic that Carolyn2 did.

I'm going to re-post a post from DW by Interested:

"Ha ha! Remember IA186? He's posting on Faithfreedom:

http://faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8371

Claims to have 'wiped the floor with Jihadwatch'. What a joke.

Sorry to go off topic, but this is hilarious.

(My name's spelt properly now I've sorted out my typekey/explorer/dll file megaglitch.)

Posted by: Interested at April 8, 2005 08:48 AM"

You guys owe it to yourselves to scroll through the 8 pages [thus far] and read his posts (don't bother with the responses (except those by Geoff, a fellow DWer, on the last few pages), as he uses his usual modus operandi - not replying to questions and running when he's cornered. Honest to God, after being DOMINATED and HUMILIATED here at JW for displaying a complete and utter lack of critical-thinking skills and the ability to construct reasoned, logical arguments, he brays like a donkey about his mastery and superiority over us. It's truly hilarious; I'm still wiping away tears of laughter. It gets MUCH better than what Carolyn2 posted above. Do yourselves a favor and have a good belly-laugh!

I meant to name Geoff as a fellow JW/DWer, not just a DWer.

Dear ia786,

No thank you, I am not interested in having my email address harvested. If you have anything to say that is of interest, you can post it on the forum.

The folks over at FF are saying exactly what we did. And ia is doing what he did here, he posts a challenge then states that he must go to bed. If someone says something that really gets to the point he starts the old "if you said that in the UK, you would be arrested" B.S. What a maroon!

BTW. if you choose to partake of the hilarity, please post your reactions here.

Humor is best when shared.

ia claims to not remember Geoff, I doubt that! He also says he really humiliated Shiva, I don't remember that either. The more he is cornered the more his real self is revealed.

OK, I can't resist - here's a snippet of one of the more recent posts:

"Okay, Guys I will tell the whole truth this time. A Lion of God entered JW and stated that God is Great. The Godless Secular extremists became hysterical, how could this be possible. They thought their barking, squealing and hissing would go unnoticed by the Lions of God. As soon as I entered JW, they took notice, fear had gripped their hearts. Many had no choice but to turn and run. The ones that remained actually thought they could attack and hurt a Lion of God. The attacks and verbal abuse rained down on me, Not one word of abuse they hurled at me meant anything. The attacks were constant but this Lion of God with the support of God stood firm, like a mountain. I used well structured arguments to humiliate the haters, My words were used to brutally crush the attack. The extremists were left with no option but to call me a Nazi, some however acknowledged they were wrong and begged for mercy at my feet. How Great is the Glory of God!!"

ROFLMAO ! ! !

I suspect his screen name has significance
IA 786 could be Ayah 7:86

007.086
YUSUFALI: "And squat not on every road, breathing threats, hindering from the path of Allah those who believe in Him, and seeking in it something crooked; But remember how ye were little, and He gave you increase. And hold in your mind's eye what was the end of those who did mischief.

PICKTHAL: Lurk not on every road to threaten (wayfarers), and to turn away from Allah's path him who believeth in Him, and to seek to make it crooked. And remember, when ye were but few, how He did multiply you. And see the nature of the consequence for the corrupters!

SHAKIR: And do not lie in wait in every path, threatening and turning away from Allah's way him who believes in Him and seeking to make it crooked; and remember when you were few then He multiplied you, and consider what was the end of the mischief-makers.

In other words he is claiming that he (Islam) will prevail and make short shrift of the "mischief makers" the unbelievers.

Here is a small quotation from ia666 (as BigSleep calls him, LOL)

Hi Geoff,
Can’t say that I remember you, I was being verbally abused by about 20+ Islamaphobes, next time try to be more distinct in your insults. The way that a Lion of God resisted and repelled a prolonged attack from such people is even beyond me, such is the glory and might of God

I read in another place that for the most part he was treated with respect at JW, which he "appreciated". So which was it ia666?

Hi Guys/Gals,
I'm glad that my comments from the other forum have amused you. Your happiness is my happiness ^_^

For those willing to have a laugh, please join the debate on the forum.

God Bless

Thanks for the props, peeps. I should've emailed RS about the punk though, that's true. My bad.

Ia, you going to respond to my posts, longtime "road-lurker", short-time beyotch?

Geoff

BTW: At least it can be seen you're a liar, chump. RS wasn't on any of your sites.

You been owned.

Geoff

pwnage

Well as I stated I was on the Jihadwatch site and I wiped the floor with the people on that site, now my focus has come to this site. I will cause the very foundations of this website to shake ~ ia786

I think ia786 has Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf syndrome.

Lets compare Quotes from Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, aka Baghdad Bob and the one from ia786 above.

"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"

"We will welcome them with bullets and shoes."

Apparently, shoes in Iraq are quite deadly, is that their idea of biological warfare, do they smell that bad?

"These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying"

"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."

"Just look carefully, I only want you to look carefully. Do not repeat the lies of liars. Do not become like them. Once again, I blame Al-Jazeera before it ascertains what takes place. Please, make sure of what you say and do not play such a role."

"Yesterday, we slaughtered them and we will continue to slaughter them."

ia786 is either Baghdad Bob, or they took the same “how to talk to western media” courses, maybe that a requirement of Mohammadanism?

Really don't think ia786 is worth a comment.

Like his mentor the 'messenger' - who lurks there, is it a shadow, is it a ghost...no, it's messenger man - he is a nutter, and not worthy of serious consideration.

A nutter with serious delusions - watch out U.K., you've got another one roaming free.

Well, this poor soul, it seems, has admitted to these comments.

A review of this fellow's posts are instructive, I think, for folks who are forced to deal with Muslim mentality. A veneer of decency and politeness is used as tool for advancing some form of da'wa (come take a look at the truths of the Qur'an and Islam that no one can refute) that evolves into a little Jihad that aims to 'wipe the floor' with unbelievers who deny the 'truth' that stares them in the face. And he, the 'messenger', fights with his 'brothers and sisters' of the umma, the Islamic collective, for 'the Glory of God'.

And to the mind of this 'fighter for God', a verb in an obscure passage in the Qur'an about iron is irrefutable proof that the authors of the Qur'an knew all about modern chemistry, astronomy etc.; American Jewish political figures dupe Americans into fighting for Israel; the attack on Afganistan had nothing to do with al Qaeda because they were not there, and so on. The paranoid anti-Semitism, the irrational flights of fancy and other delusions, all irrefutable, slowly seep out of the cracks of his politeness, which exists for the purpose of advancing the cause: Islam.

Nor can delusions ever be refuted to the irrational mind, because refutation requires reason, and reason is irrelevant. So, there is nothing that can be said against the supposed meaning of that verb in the text because that is what it means. Can't you see?

The mentality of the collective (the common beliefs and causes of the ummma based in the Qur'an and Sunnah), irrational beliefs and directives derived from the 'perfect source'; the contradictions of Jew-hatred and paranoia brewing under a calm, steady, decent exterior, animated by the aims of the 'fight' to defend the faith (which cannot be moved, 'it is like a mountain'), delusions of grandeur, the invitation to 'join' followed by resistance, which appears to be growing in intensity (da'wa to jihad); these are all characteristics of the psychology of the Islamic cult.

Readers of Jihad Watch inevitably come to see that apparant acts of decency and invitations from Muslims like this lost soul lead to a fantastic world where forces of good and evil are doing battle before God; and there is no neutrality in the minds of those who embrace this cult. Hence, decency is never what it appears to be; one cannot shake hands, exchange views, and leave it at that. There is always a next step in the dialectic of the confrontation between belief and non-belief, and those who choose non-belief, those who refuse to become a part of the collective of 'brothers and sisters', shall be humiliated and overcome, according to the providence of Allah. This is an inevitability, as certain as the meaning of the verb in the text, to the mind of the member of the cult.

Also, this fellow renounces Wahhabi Islam (at least to our faces) and even calls for its destruction; a self professed moderate, an English citizen, an advocate of mutual respect and co-existence with other religions, who even wishes all Catholic well at the pope's passing.

Such civility; the disguise of an irrational mind with silent purpose, a dangerous purpose, to defend and advance the cause of the prophet and the collective of Islam.

Someone posting and posing as Mr. Spencer sounds like the internet version of the popular radical Islamic practice of burning paper mache effigies of their favorite hated "oppressors". Perhaps one of their membership poses for the sole purpose of being defeated in order to burn the empty copy of their favorite hated "oppressor". Maybe we shouldn't be surprised this is happening.

Ho ho ho
for gods ha ha sake stop ho
no it hurts he he
stop ho ho
no

Hi JTF,
I have to say I feel that your comments are rather unfair. You think too much of me.
Do you think every action I do is in order to 'defend and advance the cause of the prophet' and Islam.
This is being unrealistic.

So I can't even send condolences at the death of the Pope without being criticised.

God Bless

Mr. Spencer,
You mean you DON'T post comments on crappy little forums that have 1/1000th of your readership? Why on earth not?

Hello everyone.

I recently found this site. Rather interesting fare I think.

Regardless, I'm a Muslim as well. Born over in Jordan as a matter of fact. I've been a citizen of the United States for about 20 years now, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I'm a police officer by trade and I know that apparently might make some of the overly paranoid "nervous".

At the same time, I've been dismayed at the state many Muslims are currently entering into. Not something I witnessed growing up. When I was young, I was always told "jihad" was the internal struggle for betterment, no matter what that might be. Now I see various loonies using it as an excuse to kill, as if they now have the God given right to subjugate anyone who does not believe the exact same that they do. These "jihadists" are a plain disgrace.

The Masjid in my boyhood used to be a peaceful place to go, a place far away from the worries of the world. A place of clarity and understanding. Today, I hear stories that sermons of hatred being preached from them, so far removed from what I was taught that it makes me recoil with horror.

For me it appears the problem stems from the land from which I came from. The attitude seems to be that Al Qur'an must always be 110 percent correct. There is no room for flaw and human error. Pure Qur'anic literalism seems to be giving more and more people a reason to seek this "jihad".

No, the Qur'an isn't perfect. There are odd things I see. Contained within are verses that could be used to justify this "Jihad". Words that say they must turn non-believers into "Dhimmi". Then I see words that state that Christians and Jews come from the same God. That the word passed down from God has not changed. That "Whoever believes, will believe. And whoever does not, does not."

It is important to be honest and recognize that this content exists rather than deny it if we are to move towards sutiable reform that will benefit everyone. I do not deny its existence, or its part in persauding people to join this so called "jihad"

I reject this "jihad" doctrine taken from Qur'anic literalism. There are many more attractive and noble aspects of the religion, and I'd rather move for reform and awareness than turn and run from it like a complete coward.

It is distressing to see that many are talking upon themselves this horiffic "jihad".

I reject what these people do. I will not argue with the Jews, my half-brothers, or the Christians, who carry the word of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh). I do not prostheylize like this other fellow above me.

Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps questioning my religion like any good religious person should I will be on their target list. Well, I'd rather die for the good of God rather than sit back and do nothing about it.

Just my two cents. Feel free to say anything you like.

Issac

Hello, Issac - I hope you're not on anyone's target list, although other critics of Islam (Muslim as well as non-Muslim) do get fatwa'd.

Just one question - why are moderate/peaceful/reformist Muslims like you seem to be so backward in coming forward? Why aren't they the ones passing the fatwas, speaking out loudly and clearly about the violent tendencies in modern day Islam?

Welcome Issac! As Interested said, it is rare to see Moderates. We could use more like you here.

Thanks for the welcome.

As for your question, I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head why Muslims are hesitant/backward in coming forward to confront the current problems within our religion.

1) Fear of retribution:

For people in the Middle East, especially those in the more authoritarian nations, a sort of "hive-mind" is in effect. I'm from the Middle East, and probably the biggest problem I see is that not enough people think for themselves. If one person comes forward to speak out against the wrongs they currently see, a greater number who support it will lash out against them.

2) Indifference:

If it isn't me, and doesn't relate to me personally in anyway, why should I give a damn? Some Muslims don't believe they aren't involved in this fight. Simply, they'd rather stay out the whole situation and not say a word towards either direction. They don't support the actions of terrorists and these "jihadists", but also don't think the jihadists affect them in any way either.

This seems to be the problem among most American Muslims. Here, we won't face retribution if we speak out. Part of my work for the future is to convince them that it does affect us as a community. These people are dragging us through the mud with them and we need to stop it.

3) Complicity:

Some Muslims are probably just complicit in this whole situation as well. These are the kind that secretly support it or see no wrong in it even if they never will turn violent themselves. These hidden individuals cause me the most anger.

Those are some of the reasons I think contribute to it. Though, with Muslims like myself and others like me, we will slowly coax others out of indifference and put them in the attitude for self-reflection, appraisal, and reform.

A little while back I read an article about Spanish Muslims issuing a fatwa against Bin Laden and his ilk. This is a small start, and we need to take it from here.

Again, I appreciate the welcome. I wish to join in the fight against this currupt "jihad" consuming lives that could of had potential.

2) Indifference

This one is definite on All sides. I believe the vast majority of the people, anywhere, are more focused on their private lives- staying afloat, raising their children, trying to fulfill at least some part of their dreams... they don't want to be bothered with events in other parts of the world, hoping those events won't influence their lives. And then when it does have an effect, many will tend to listen to whomever they consider the leaders, be those religious or political, and 'think' accordingly.

Gary - good point. People do listen to the leaders. One of the problems of Islam is the seeming absence of a moderate leadership. The Fatwa in Spain was encouraging as far as it went, but where is the leader with the stature of the late Pope condemning Jihad, and, more importantly revising Islamic doctrine, just as the Pope revised Christian doctrine to make it less anti-semitic?

I hope people on this site will give Issac a chance and not just assume he's up to taqiyya, because that way moderate Muslims just can't win!

Greetings Isaac and Asalamu aleykum:

I also welcome you, from one Muslim to another. Good on ya mate, for recognising the inherent problems of the Qur'an. The Qur'an is replete with inconsistencies. Hopefully, you also recognise the inherent weakness of the Muslim tradition and the Sunnah.

If there is a way forward (a big if!), its by re-examining Qur'an and getting away from tradition. Prospects, almost impossible in terms of convincing the global Ummah. That does not mean, that we give up, as many of the posters on this site would like to see. Real reform must begin at grassroots level in small communities. Groups like FMAT (to which I am an advisor to) and CIP, will always fail unless they can develop a strategum to counter jihad idelogy.

Issac, I am keen to hear on what you believe the key to "reform" is, and its prospects. From what I gather, you seem optimistic. I am not however, I see that reformers, even articulate and methodologically sound academic Muslim reformers are shuned and ignored.

Do you have any thoughts on how to combat this?

Wa salam

I don’t see the point Isaac if your going to reject the Quran as perfect your not really a Muslim anymore anyway. Why not just renounce Islam and the Prophet Move on, The truth is out there. Just not with Mohammed

I think we need to hear more from moderate muslims.

Moderate muslims need to take a serious look at their religious instituions and decide if this is something they want to be a part of.

I would love to see a 20th century moderate branch of islam come into creation, one that could appeal to those who feel marginalized by traditional islam.

Strength is in numbers, the more moderates are united the harder it will be to be intimidated.

Somethings gotta change cause at this point it is clear that traditional islam is unable or unwilling to play nice.

i meant 21st century sorry

Isaac Ali K.-

Hang in there, and hold on your your critical intelligence.

Too much of 'toxic-orthodox' Islam (as many other earlier creeds tried and failed at) is being taught by extremists, who naively think that a 'revealed' 'religious' language can have no subtleties, alternate interpretations, poetic shadings, double-meanings, or even the mere human failings of the messenger.

NO human has EVER been perfect, so no message can be.

If you believe that the deity uses human mouthpieces, then even God would have to understand that you can't get 'infinity and eternity and omniscience' out of a mortal, temporal, nescient vessel.

The arrogant delusion of all extremisms -whether Leninist communism and its 'Worker's Paradise' or jihadist Islam's brand of the 'Restored Caliphate'- always leads to terror states.

Like Pol Pot's 'killing fields' in Cambodia or Stalin's 'gulags' or Mao's 're-education camps' (where the 'Thousands Flowers Blooming' turned into lilies on coffins).

Islam's Koran, if considered an 'uninterpretable' document, 'untouchable' by developing human intelligence, becomes a mental and moral dead end.

A tool for tyrannts, and little more.

And Mohammad, if considered the 'perfect man' is a double-bind IDEA and icon of cataclysmic consequences. (Does that mean it is perfectly good to force 9 year old virgins to go to bed with 53 old men? How 'perfect' is that?)

Judaism and Christianity learned the hard way to allow dissent, from Tyndale and Spinoza to the present lampooning of their 'holy of holies 'in films like "The Life of Brian". Or questioning of their savior's mind in "The Last Temptation of Christ".

Neither 'faith' vanished from this revision, disagreement, scrutiny, critique, mockery or even removal of some of their 'unholy' accretions and cultural backwardnesses (contempt for women, arcane rituals, etc.).

Until Islam can look behind the superfical mask of 'perfection', and realize that there is a fallible creature doing the reading (ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS a 'de facto' interpretation) of the Koran, then the fanatics WILL continue to rule.

I wish you well in opposing the dangers.

But keep a low profile. And show by example, and by basic human decency. Don't just argue with those who dare not listen. (And who believe killing is a joy to the deity.) Avoid those who have 'perfectly made up their minds' that 'they know the revealed Meaning of God'. Even though they couldn't tell you what their own mysterious dreams from last night 'mean'.

Or how they determine 'truth' from 'falsehood' (philosophically and psychologically), having apparently ignored the root readings* to develop the intellect capable of such judgment.

If Muslims would admit that NO human can contain perfection, being flawed vessels (it is always 'a little leaky'), then the extremists will have the rug of their power pulled out from under them.

And fall on their sanctimonious asses with a holy thud!

Salaam. (And watch your back.)

*Aristotle and Socrates to Hume and Husserl. And Freud, Jung, Adler, Frankl, Maslow and Julian Jaynes. Classics are always worth a read.

Has anyone stopped to think that this guy really thinks he is Saladin.

Meanwhile in the great internet masterminds computer room:

"Today I am mighty Saladin, yesterday I was Santa Claus. Why do they laugh. I WANT SOME RESPECT DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!"

"Judaism and Christianity learned the hard way to allow dissent" says Bigsleep; how right he/she is.

My fear for Issac - welcome Issac - is that islam has yet to learn this, and may not.

How different it must be for a muslim in the west where, so far anyway, some critical comment is allowed re islam and the messenger, and where a muslim can decide to become a Jew, Christian, Buddhist or Humanist.

At one time i renovated old houses for a living, a very challenging and creative way to put bread on my table.
I well remember one property i bought to renovate which, after much consideration, i tore down because the house was simply too badly constructed in the first place to be worth saving. It made better sense to build new from scratch.

With the greatest respect Issac, that is also my outlook on islam.

Having said that, i have been wrong many times before - who could have imagined that South Africa would solve its problems without serious bloodshed - and admire those muslims who are attempting to renovate their house of religion.

But why bother ? Why risk life and limb to fight against closed minds wielding sharp blades ? Why not let them have 'it', and move on yourself to another way of rightiousness ?

I wonder happens when ia786 is alone in his room and the internet can't be connected?

ia786/(Saladin now): "Hello Robert."

ia786(Robert now): Why hello Saladin. I tremble at your mighty presence!!!!

ia786(Saladin now): Why thankyou you inferior being. I know that already such is my unparalleled intellect. So I will put you to the ultimate intellectual test. Ahem....is Jihad good or bad?

ia786 (Robert now): Very bad.

ia786 (Saladin now): Wrong. It is extra good. I rest my case!!!! You may leave the room now you are beaten.

ia786 (Robert now): I am beaten. I admit it. You are so so smart Saladin. So charismatic, a light to the nations, the tallest with the greatest of good looks, you are the greatest of all time in everything.

ia786 (Saladin now): Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Yesssss. Yesssss. Yesssssssssssssssss. (ia786 eyes roll back into his head)

"Okay, Guys I will tell the whole truth this time.
posted by ia786, aka Saladin, on another forum.

This is too hilarious. Plenty of people challenged this mental midget's Zionist, anti-American conspiracy theories and I don't think he responded to the first one. He certainly did not refute anything written in response to his nonsense. He didn't want to debate; he hoped somebody would be stupid enough to email him. If he is the great debater and defender of the one true religion that he claims to be, he would want to exhibit his amazing skills in a public forum, not one on one.

Anyone who begins a sentence with a confession of prior mendacity loses all credibility. But on second thought, muslims think no more of lying than sleeping; it is a perfectly normal, acceptable practice to them. He might be the dawa hero of the day to his fellow muslims.

Susanp-

I don't follow ia666's complete link lines of commentings so I don't know if or how he even replied to what I said a few days ago, but I thought I answered him, and his theory about one of the Infallible and Irrefutable and Inscrutably (Gasp-producing!) mysteries of 7th century Islam, in which "iron" was mentioned as coming from "above".

Using the same taffy 'logic' I've encountered with promoters of "Intelligent Design", ia666 spun this tidbit of Koranic arcana to mean that 'somehow the prescient prophet had divine knowledge of the supernova origins of heavy metal compounds seeded into the primoridal Earth from exploded stars'. (ia666 couldn't phrase it this coherently, but I got the gist, knowing the underlying astrophysics.)

He challenged anyone (Hah, you dogs! Just try to wrap your puny infidel medullas arounds this enigmatic Islamic problem! Hah!) to try to give ANY other explanation for this (clearly Superior Mohammadan Brilliance and blindlingly) super-scientific Prophecy!

I mentioned back to ia666 that meteorites, commonly made of iron, DO fall, from time to time, IN the sands of Arabia. And camel-drivers would have seen them plummeting earthward, even in 600 A.D. And picked some up.

Using Occam's Razor, you take the terse, more rational and more provable probability.

Meteorites come from "above".

They are often composed of "iron".

End of Big, Complex Inscrutable Islamic theory showing that Allah gave a special Stupendous revelation to poor, illiterate Arab camel-driver named Mohammad about a core item in the future of planetary Physics, a full 1350 years before the stupid, little, Jew-loving decadent Western scientists stumbled across it again, only to confirm Islam's superiority in all ways.

Or didn't ia666 mention this exchange at FaithFreedom?

Hmmmmm. I guess no more Salada tea for him.

This is my favorite post from FF, this guy is hilarious:

BTW, what is so miraculous about the Koran not having changed over 1400 years?
I found an old electriciy bill from twenty years ago. And guess what?

It hadn't changed either. Is that a miracle too?

For anyone on this thread who didn't notice one of ia786's rejoinder on another thread to whomever started calling him ia666 (perhaps it's only been BigSleep), it appears (to no surprise) that he doesn't have a sense of humour either (assuming he recognized "666" as a ref to Satan).

Gotta hand it to ia786 -- his Walter Mitty-esque pretentions make him a lot more entertaining than some of the other trolls we've had haunting JW/DW.

Giaour,

"786" is a reference to the folks who believe that the letters of texts can be converted to numbers, and then by applying creative math to these numbers, they think they can come up with some kind of new hidden knowledge.

These folks in Islam are known as the Submitters. Most muslims consider them to be apostates.

http://www.submission.org/miracle/786.html

786 is also somehow tied in to the number 19.

DOn't ask me how.

People, I found this accounting of a real-life stoning from a link on Co-Jet.org, http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/islamwhitewash.htm.

I posted it on another thread, but I want to spread it around. Not only is it horrifying, but the existence of this sort of thing can only make it harder for some of our critics to pretend that we are unnecessarily harsh on Islam.

There are many interesting pieces in this article (paedophilia, quotes, excuses, etc.) that contain some material that isn't often seen, such as the one on the real-life stoning piece (click "stoning to death"). There is a picture of the stoning victim as a little girl, and two pictures of the stoning itself. It's hard to imagine the brutality of this process just from the phrase "she was stoned to death."

There is also a picture of a woman who has been savagely beaten. Her injuries are so severe that she resembles a patient in a burn unit. It has none of the beauty of the lashing in the van Gogh production.

Horrible--absolutely horrible. I can only imagine that more of this sort of thing would help convince fence-sitters and the ignorant that the complaints of people like us about Islam aren't just mean spirited, racist, Islamophobic, intolerant slurs by a bunch of lunatics at the fringe.