Clash of civilizations watch. The choice here is not between attacking prostitutes or approving of prostitution. From the UK Asian Image, with thanks to Effractor:
Two students who cruised Bradford's red light district and horrifically abused two prostitutes are today behind bars.Maqas Riaz was jailed for four years and nine months and Mohammed Irfan for nine years.
Irfan told one of his victims that he "couldn't stand prostitutes" and threatened there would be vigilante-style "lynches" to rid the streets of them.
I don't approve of prostitution myself, but I approve of Irfan's response to it even less.
Placing them both on the sex offenders' register for life, Honorary Recorder of Bradford Judge Stephen Guillick said they had set out to "degrade them, humiliate them and terrify them"....Prosecutor Patrick Palmer said Riaz and Irfan approached the first woman at around 2am in January last year, but she would not get in a car with two men.
Riaz later returned alone and the woman agreed to go with him, but Irfan was lurking round a corner and jumped in the back seat with her and they drove off.
The terrified woman tried to phone the police and get out of the car, but Irfan grabbed her by the hair and smashed her head against the window, then threatened her with a knife.
Riaz got in the back and the woman was sexually assaulted before being blindfolded, tied up and dumped in a field.Hours later the pair, both students at Bradford University, preyed on their next victim. Irfan and Riaz pulled up in the car but the woman could see the knife blade and tried to get away. She was forced into the car and driven to Great Horton Lane.
Mr Palmer said Riaz demanded money and Irfan threatened her with the knife.
She tried to escape but was pulled back by Irfan, who slashed her jacket and raped her.
A few weeks later Riaz again went looking for prostitutes with another man, Waseem Choudhary. They both indecently assaulted a third woman. The three men were arrested in February last year when the police saw them driving around together. At first they denied any involvement but pleaded guilty before their trial last year...
These guys are no different than any other serial killers. They just got caught earlier.
Yes, Robert. You are dead on. They are not defenders of morality, but sexual sadists with a rather coy cover.
Defending morality by raping, how low can you go?
Robert, my heartiest applause. My guess is that the two guys you mentioned are sex-obsessed.
These are not common criminals. Or rather, their common criminality has been given, in their own minds, an Islamic justification: prostitutes are evil, ergo I can beat, rape, and even kill them, and I am doing God's work. It is the same with stealing of Infidel property -- or rather, property that Infidels believe belongs to them. But they are no more entitled to their property than the Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis, or any of the tens of millions of those Infidels subjugated to Islam, were entitled to theirs.
The loot belongs to the people of Allah.
The women belong to the people of Allah.
Behavior has been defined for all time. And if this or that Muslim finds an ideological justification for his crimes (like the gang in London that would end each crime spree with a visit to a mosque), that simply helps explain and justify the assaults.
Islam itself was an ideology created to justify, and promote, attacks by pagan Arabs on the property, including the seizure of women, of far more numerous, advanced, and wealthy populations of non-Arabs, initially in Mesopotamia and Syria. Arab tribes did not arise out of the desert cluthcing sword in one hand, Qur'an in the other. They had already managed to infiltrate and settle in their own communities, in between those of the non-Arabs. The mishmash that is Islam, and which took a century or more to develop into the Qur'an as it is known today, and for the Sira to be written (whether the historical Muhammad existed or not is irrelevant -- the important thing is that, as a figure of unrepeatable virtue, al-insan al-kamil, what he is believed to have said, and done, as reported in the Sira, colors the views, and justifies the actions, of a great many Muslims.
This seems simply to be a case about individual criminality. It isn't. It is about the connection between the impulse to commit crimes, sexual in this case, and the justification, or prompting, that comes out of Islam.
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge the pastoral ministration these young lads administered don’t let cultural bias cloud your thinking these tarts may see the error of their ways if they survived.
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge the pastoral ministration these young lads administered don’t let cultural bias cloud your thinking these tarts may see the error of their ways if they survived.
Any way it may be the standard
Turkey: Justice denied to tortured teenage girls
Amnesty International today called for Turkey's Court of Appeal to urgently re-examine the case of four police officers acquitted of the torture and rape of two teenage girls after a massively delayed and grossly inadequate investigation and trial.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=80256DD400782B8480256FEB005065B8
Hugh is dead on. The article is not about a lone Patrick Bateman-esque nutcase, but three students. Bradford will probably follow Birmingham as England's first majority Muslim city and the cultural (and ergo religious) environment that informed these men's attitudes to prostitution shouldn't be dismissed. That is not, however, to malign all Muslims, most of whom will be sickened by this.
Perhaps they didn't look enough like donkeys. Britain has become a lost cause with regard to Muslims, who obviously feel that they now own the country.
Living proof that being soft on border security and immigration will make things hard on you.
Dummies? Dhimmis?
Both
Effractor
Do you have a reference for that prediction on when Birmingham and Bradford will become Muslim majority? Parts of London already are Muslim majority.
If you don't like abortions, don't have one.
If you don't like prostitutes, don't f*ck them.
These guys are great role models for aspiring muslimomaniacs. Rape, torture and murder in the name of Allah, is fun and games Islam style. The best part is you really dont have to believe in Allah to do it. You can fake that part and still rape and torture. No one will ever know. Of course Allah will know, he knows everything, but he is all compassionate and forgiving, as long as you think of him while participating in these acts, he will give you his seal of approval...Wonder if these shining examples were shouting Allahu Akbar, while raping these women...
Hmm...didn't Hitler hate prostitutes too?
It's ok though - I'm sure they were just "raping to convert".
/sarcasm off
Geoff
Just wait until they start attacking pubs,for selling alcohol, and stores that sell non-halal meat....
All non-Moslem women, in the minds of Moslems, are prostitutes. It's not a matter of degree, it's a matter of convenience, of whether one will be caught raping them, that determines whether they girls get attacked. Women have 'multiple sexual organs' according to Mohammed, one being, as I recall, hair. If a women doesn't cover up her hair, she's obviously "asking for it."
I might have done some unpleasant things in my life, but I'm proud to say I've never done any violence against women. How does one respond to those who beat and rape women as a cultural act? One phones the police. Yes, it's unpleasant to do so but we live in a land of laws and until the laws are perverse we have a responsibility to obey them, don't we.
I've argued numerous times here for the "politics of confrontation" and for "extra-parliamentary opposition" but always within the bounds of the law within states ruled by legitimate law. If the staqte fails to conduct the affairs of the people in the interests of the people, the people have the right and responsibility to overthrow that state. We do it by voting the bastards out. If they won't go quietly, the story changes. Until the government is clearly illegitimate and entrenched, in the face of criminal behaviour it's our responsibility to call the police.
We can do more, however, than passively submit to gang-rapists and terrorists by awaiting the police. All that we do, though, must be at least not illegal.
Hugh:
I was going to comment until I read your post. You have stated very eloquently and succinctly what I was going write.
The judge at least partially understands: “This was clearly the abuse and humiliation of prostitutes”. I said, “partially understands” given the lenient sentences handed out to the perps.
Thanks.
Zico
Information on UK cities with high Muslim population can be found here:
http://www.islamic.co.uk/statistics/main.asp
It doesn't show projected population growth but Birmingham has attracted many, mainly Muslim, asylum seekers in the past few years, while Bradford's Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities are young, growing and supplemented by a steady stream of brides/spouses from Mirpur and Sylhet respectively.
Jack Straw will no doubt be little more than an unpleasant memory for Blackburn's Muslims by the time they enjoy numerical advantage...
I think we focus to much on the fact that the women were prostitutes. Muslims hate women, the proof is not only in the book and rules they hold holey, but also in their everyday behaviour. It is incredible that more then a billion peolple can become so unhuman, just by force of a suprematist ideology.
The women being prositutes made them more avaiable for these scums, but the hatred for them is the same and from the same source as the hatred for all the women (and in fact, all the kufurs).
Effractor
Thanks. When those cities become majority Muslim life there will be much changed and it will become especially tough for non Muslim minorities in cities like Birmingham where there are substantial numbers of Sikhs, Hindus and Afro-Caribbeans, who have already begun to feel the heat of the Islamic future in terms of marginalisation and intimidation.
http://aeonflux.exctazy.org/brl/misc/welcome_to_sweden.mpg
YOU NAILED THAT ONE CHECK OUT A CITY I HAVE BEEN TO THAT I WILL NOT BE GOING BACK TO
Qur'an 24:33 "But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)" [tr.Yusuf Ali]
Qur'an 24:33 "and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." [tr. Shakir]
In other words, Muslims are free to prostitute non-Muslim women because Allah will surely forgive them for doing so.
Yes, these creeps are serial rapists using Islam as an excuse - but wait a minute - what kind of 'religion' allows itself to be used as an excuse for violence against women? Only one that I can think of. This goes far deeper than rapists using Islam as an excuse.
This religion condones and encourages violence against women. I refer to the report on April 24, headed 'Raped women have themselves to blame'. A Muslim cleric in Sydney preached a lengthy sermon in which he told followers at a public meeting in Bankstown that women who were raped had incited men's lust by dressing immodestly and only had themselves to blame.
I watched an interview this morning with Keysar Trad - so-called spokesman for the Islamic community. The interviewer asked him straight out if he agreed with the sheik, and if he had any conception of the insult to all women.
Trad retreated as best he could - said that Faiz is not part of the mosque system, they are not resonsible for 'individual opinions' etc etc. The interviewer asked how did that matter when he people were listening to him anyhow, and did Trad realise that Muslims men were sitting in prison at this moment for gang rape - and yet so-called responsible clerics are still preaching this kind of rubbish.
She refused to let him off the hook, asking him if he realised just how bad this made Muslims appear to the rest of the community. He went on with a pack of lies about how Muslim girls are allowed the choice in how they dress (funny, when I worked in a college, the Muslim girls would shed their hijabs etc and put them on again when it was time to go home. Some free choice).
In the end, Trad was forced to admit that they had been to see Faiz and were trying to keep him in line. BTW, I wish you all could see this little wimp with his straggly chin-beard. Too bad he was born here, or else maybe we could throw him out for hate speech and encouraging violence against women.
This attack on the prostitues is simply the result of listening to too many lunatics like Faiz Mohamed. I feel sympathy for them, but even prostitutes should know better than to go with Muslim men.
Jack the Ripper was religiously inspired as well.
I guess he thinks he has two new disciples.
Althought they really go back to the original Ripper-
Mohammad.
Oh thanks for that report, DianaC. I didn't see that interview but from the sounds of it, Trad was really uncomfortable. Squirming. Sweating maybe even. Oh joy! When you think of it, how can he justify what was said, or excuse it, or deny it? Even though, I'm sure he tried hard to do so, as they always do. The interviewer sounds wonderful. Really stuck it to him, did she? Oh yippee! Wiped that constant smug, self-satisfied smile off his welfare-fattened mug, I hope.
Yes, the case of these two students is just typical of their attitude towards non-Muslim women (and Muslim women who don't submit to total control). It doesn't matter that they were prostitutes. To them, we are all prostitutes. In this case, the prostitutes just happened to be around at that time of morning. If these two jackals had been at it earlier, it could have been any other woman, returning home from work or from being out with friends. And no time in jail will make them feel any remorse, or rehabilitate their thinking and attitude. That's hard-wired into them from day one. Not just from grubby sheikhs like Feiz, or Capt Hook, but from their whole community. Their attitudes were on display, for all to see, during the trials of the Sydney rape gangs. Their own mothers were the most disgusting. What they teach their sons, is not hard to guess.
Well, then, these are the lions of islam - able to attack women and children to complete the Trinitarian terrorism of islam: physical, mental, emotional.
What heroes. What bravery.
Geoff