From an interview with Paul Sperry, author of Infiltration, in FrontPage, with thanks to Nosy:
FP: What inspired you to write Infiltration?Sperry: My children. I wrote it in the hopes that my kids and their kids won't have to live under terror alerts. Washington hasn't leveled with us about the full scope and depth of the Islamic threat not only inside America but inside the government, just as it hasn't leveled with us about the true nature of Islam. We've been lulled into a false sense of security, and we're just inviting another 9/11. So I wrote this book to expose the elaborate fraud that's been orchestrated by our leaders in the Washington establishment and the leaders in the Muslim establishment, who are playing us all for suckers. Infiltration is 350 pages of cold hard politically incorrect facts the American people haven't heard since 9/11 and deserve to hear without the PC spin from Washington. At first some will feel mugged by the truth, but then it will make you hustle-proof about the Islamic threat, which is my goal -- to simply arm you with the facts. And unlike The 9/11 Report, I name names and hold people accountable, from Norman "No Profiling" Mineta and his civil-rights lawyer Sam Podberesky to Democratic congressman John Conyers to GOP powerbroker Grover Norquist. This is the 9/11 Report the 9/11 Commission was afraid to publish.
FP: Can you tell us a bit about how Islamic extremists disguise themselves as "moderates" and infiltrate our institutions?
Sperry: Well, we all know about the Muslim leaders who talk a good patriotic game and get into the White House, including those who have gone from the White House to the Big House like Abdurahman Alamoudi, who publicly condemned terrorism and privately complained to Muslim audiences that bin Laden hadn't killed enough Americans; and Ali al-Timimi, the supposedly peace-loving and respected religious leader who's now on trial here for inciting anti-American violence and praising the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster as a "good omen" for Islam. But it's much more than that. It's about Islamic spying and espionage, something Washington has yet to come to grips with in this war....
FP: Tell us what conclusions you have reached from your study of Islam.
Sperry: It is a religion of peace -- for Muslims. Everyone else is marked for punishment, as I explain in the chapter "Top 10 Myths of Islam," which your readers should read if they read no other chapter in Infiltration. Their holy book reads like a manual of war, and I've read two translations of it, including all the footnotes and commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, the most widely respected Sunni translator and interpreter. Another big lie we hear told out of Washington is that the Muslim terrorists are "perverting" the teachings of the Quran, as if they haven't read their holy book. No, they've memorized it, and they're getting all this terrible stuff right out of it -- the violent jihad, self-immolation, even the beheadings we've seen in Iraq -- it's all right there in the Qur'an. It's our leaders in Washington prosecuting this war on Islamic terror who haven't read the Qur'an, violating the first principle of war -- know thy enemy and what motives him.
FP: Well Mr. Sperry, the bottom line is that we must also be shrewd. It would be absurd and self-destructive of us to wage war on the religion of Islam. That means going to war with 1 billion people, and this is foolish because there are surely many enlightened Muslims who are not interested in terrorism or extremism.
I am not saying that we ignore what is in the Qur’an and put our heads in the sand. We need to be honest with ourselves about the violent teachings within Islam and the consequences of those teachings. But there are many Muslims who subordinate those teachings for the larger goal of peace -- and those Muslims are our priceless allies....I am just saying that it is crucial for us to support and work with Muslims who are genuinely against terror and extremism.
It is indeed crucial for us to support and work with Muslims who are genuinely against terror and extremism. But "genuinely" is the key word in that sentence. Many times I have documented here that many much-balleyhooed "moderate" individuals and groups actually are not at all willing "to be honest...about the violent teachings within Islam and the consequences of those teachings." That in itself casts doubt, if not on their moderation, then at least on their usefulness in stemming the tide of jihadist sentiment in the Islamic community.
Now having said that, yes, naturally, as you point out, there is a dark side of Islam. In Infiltration you point to all the tricks that many apologists use to try to cover this up. You call them "white lies." Can you give us some examples?Sperry: Muslim leaders play an elaborate word game to hide the dark side of Islam to gain wider acceptance in Washington. They condemn all acts of "terrorism against innocent people," but they don't necessarily view Americans or Israelis as "innocent" or acts of violence against us as "terrorism." Many secretly view it simply as justice. You'll never hear them condemn "all acts of violence against non-Muslims." So you have to carefully parse their words -- they're very slick. They also try to peddle this silly notion that jihad means internal struggle against sin -- such as quitting smoking -- and not warfare. And that the beheadings we've seen in Iraq aren't even remotely justified by the Quran. Both claims are demonstrably false, as I document in the "Top 10 Myths of Islam." If you are confused about the true meaning of the Qur’an, this chapter will be a real eye-opener for you.
FP: So yes, while we must support moderate and patriotic Muslims, we cannot deny that there is a serious problem in the Muslim community. . . .
Sperry: Make no mistake: INFILTRATION exposes terrorists and the people who support terrorists, who just happen to be in the Muslim community. Not the Italian community. Not the Sikh community. The Muslim community. No one wants to heap scorn on Muslims, but the unpleasant truth is they gave far more aid and comfort to the hijackers than Washington let on. They got help in seven mosques coast to coast, and some Muslims helped them even though they knew what they were up to. Some of the hijackers were welcomed and wined and dined as if they were celebrities. If we keep sweeping these unpleasant truths under the politically correct carpet, we're just inviting another 9/11. We have to penetrate the terror support network that just happens to be operating within the Muslim community, and permanently dismantle it.
FP: What about these Muslim pressure groups that form a protective shield around militant Islam?
Sperry: Yes, for Heaven's sake, sever all official ties to the Council on American-Islamic Relations and other terror-linked groups. We're just legitimizing and providing the enemy cover and protection by continuing to allow them a forum. Yet the FBI director has included CAIR in permanent working groups on Muslim rights, where they're allowed to mau-mau the FBI about its investigations of terror suspects in the Muslim community. Hello?! This is a group that's had terrorists on its payroll! And not only that, my investigation found that CAIR is bankrolled by two Arab governments tied to the Taliban and 9/11, yet it claims it gets no foreign support. In fact, the United Arab Emirates actually holds the deed to CAIR's headquarters located here in the shadow of the U.S. Capitol, as documented in the chapter, "The Dark Lair of CAIR." Your readers can check out the deed on sperryfiles.com. So you can't trust what CAIR says -- so why is anyone in Washington still listening to it, let alone letting it lecture us about how to run our terrorism investigations? And why in the world are we letting CAIR, a group trying to Islamize the American workplace, partner up with the EEOC to
solicit discrimination lawsuits from Muslims? That's right, EEOC has even sent its lawyers into mosques to solicit workplace-bias complaints, as detailed in the chapter, "Wudu in the Restroom."
Mr. Sperry, would you mind giving Rich Lowry at National Review a call? We have the number around here somewhere...
FP: But what can we as citizens do?Sperry: You recall the NIMBY movement -- Not In My Backyard? Well, we need to apply it to the Islamic threat. Find out what kind of Islamic schools and mosques are being developed in your neighborhood. Check out the trustees, the preachers, the teachers. Are they Islamists? Are there any terrorist connections? Pull the county land records. Do Saudi-backed entities such as the North American Islamic Trust own the deed? Are any of the trustees members of the Muslim American Society, the U.S. front for the notorious Muslim Brotherhood? If so, lobby the local zoning boards to block their development. This is a hardline Wahhabi mosque that may serve as a base of operations for the bad guys. Arm yourself and your neighbors with the facts, and fight. Organize. Contact your local media. If protesting doesn't work, use local ordinances to block them.
Does the proposed minaret exceed height restrictions? Will the parking plan cause traffic congestion? Is the drainage plan to code? What textbooks are used at the schools? Alert the state accreditation boards. Also, notify local law enforcement and the FBI of any suspicious activity at the mosque or school. Are preachers inciting violence? For instance, there's a mosque going up in my own community in Fairfax County that I found out is tied to a Pakistani terrorist who gunned down CIA employees last decade. It took just a few days to look up the land records, and then research the trustees and find the connection....
Read it all.
Today’s Extras:
The UnHoly Alliance:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17702
Homeland Security:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/joelmowbray/jm20050413.shtml
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/walterwilliams/ww20050413.shtml
And Washington never will.
Anyone put off even slightly by the sensationalism of the title should recall "Under Cover" by John Roy Carlson, that did such good during World War II. But then things were much starker, and people's minds less muddied. Good for Sperry.
There is one thing to worry about, as it is worried about above by Robert. That is this phrase in the Frontpage interview:
"I am not saying that we ignore what is in the Qur’an and put our heads in the sand. We need to be honest with ourselves about the violent teachings within Islam and the consequences of those teachings. But there are many Muslims who subordinate those teachings for the larger goal of peace -- and those Muslims are our priceless allies....I am just saying that it is crucial for us to support and work with Muslims who are genuinely against terror and extremism."
If this accurately reflects the author's beliefs, then perhaps in his book he has not dealt with the problem of these "many Muslims who subordinate those teachings for the larger goal of peace -- and those Muslims are our priceless allies."
Several problems leap out.
1) How does the author know that "many" Muslims "subordinate those teachings for the larger goal of peace"? One is struck by the assurance with which even those known to be suspicious tell us that only a very small percentage of Muslims represent a danger. Where do they obtain their figures? How do they know that? Does the absence of active participation in terrorist attacks, or no visible sign of approval, win won the title of peaceful Muslim who is willing to "subordinate" the aggressive teachings of Islam?
2) If Muslims themselves tell us they are surprised, or even flabbergasted, to learn that so-and-so engaged in terrorism -- he was "so quiet, so happy, loved America (England, France, Germany, fill in to taste) so much" that "it couldn't possibly be." But it could. And it is.
How, then, shall Infidels be able to detect the real from the feigned "peaceful" Muslim?
3) The "My-Son-the-Fanatic" Problem is not, apparently, dealt with in Sperry's book. The problem is not that someone always secretly harbored hatred for Infidels, but managed to conceal it -- but that he had no such fervency of Muslim belief, but his own sense of personal and civilizational failure may have contributed to his new fervency. Mohammad Atta was not the only child of the Arab middle-class, not terribly interested in religion, who underwent a transformation in the West. Was it the realization that he had lost status in the West? The well-known angst of a graduate student, but with the prism of Islam through which to view the universe and identify the enemy? Embarrassment at the advanced Western world, such a contrast to his own Egypt, and the feeling that this was not right, that Muslims were superior, that they should always prevail for Islam "is to dominate and not to be dominated"?
Events in the outside world affect Muslim behavior everywhere. Muslims and Infidels clash -- in Indonesia. In the Southern Sudan. In Pakistan. In Iraq. On the streets of Paris, where Muslims protesting the ban on the hijab in schools shout "Death to France." Loyalty, to Islam, to Muslims, an unthinking, blind loyalty, in which no matter what one must take the side of fellow Muslims, is so central to Islamic teachings, as to scarcely be avoided. Some Muslims found, for example, that the attacks on 9/11, which might reasonably have horrified them, and led them to become less fervent, actually had the opposite effect -- they became more fervent Muslims.
Events in the interior world of the individual Believer are even more worrisome, because difficult if not impossible to detect much less monitor. Now that audiocassettes, and videocassettes, and DVDs, and satellite television channels, can bring Jihadist programs to the tiniest village in Pakistan, or Indonesia, or Afghanistan, the pools of those Muslims who remained ignorant of, or largely indifferent to, the teachings of Islam, and for whom it was simply a matter of individual worship, are drying up. Every Muslim, now, can hear the full "message" of Islam -- and for Infidels, that is a dangerous thing.
The bland assertion by Sperry that most or many Muslims are on our side, needs to be treated with great caution. And it may even be a meaningless remark, if in the end we not only cannot detect the real from the falsely loyal Muslim, but the Muslim who is determined to fit in and integrate with Infidels, may at any point undergo a change in attitude, brought on by personal or professional setbacks, or depression, or the influence of other, persuasive fellow Muslims.
And the mere swelling of Muslim numbers, and hence of perceived Muslim power, will tend to scare Western Infidels, and particularly their politicians -- who are in England, for example, and in France, pandering to a Muslim electorate even at this point (just imagine what they will do if the percentage of Muslims in the population grows larger). Efforts to speak freely, to publish freely, about the teachings of Islam, about the threat of Islam, are already constrained. It is fiendishly difficult even to be reviewed without malice, fiendishly difficult to find places to advertise, or ways to have one's books distributed adequately -- if the treatment is not the pabulum, both silly and sinister, that the public is fooled into favoring.
No one knows if the number of "terrorists" among Muslims is 10-15%, or 30%, or 80%, or 95%. What is clear is that the number is too large, of those who openly support it, and those who covertly support it. No one knows how many of those "peaceful" Muslims can change, overnight or over decades. No one knows how their children will behave in the Western world, though all the evidence being acquired in Europe suggests that second and third generation Muslims, including those who know the local language perfectly, and who are able to operate within Western society, do not become less, but more fervent, in their Islam, and far more dangerous in their ability to fit in and therefore to promote their beliefs.
And being "peaceful" does not imply a desire not to conduct Da'wa, nor to see Islam spread as far as possible. If you have no objection to Islam, if you find nothing wrong with its view of the universe, its limits on artistic expression, free and skeptical inquiry, if you find the idea of Asking Mr. Fatwa advice on everything from the proper hairstyle to whether or not you can wish an Infidel Merry Christmas or even shake his hand (how squeamish Muslims seem to be, about pigs, dogs, bodily fluids, and of course, disgusting Infidels), then you will be well-satisfied in the assurance that your Muslim neighbor is not going to join a terrorist plot. And you will not mind when his wife goes to your school to tell the children about Ramadan, or when the local PBS station runs yet another admiring "documentary" ("with thanks" to the Al-Haramain Foundation or SaudiAramco, or some such, for funding, discreetly expressed after the credits) on Islam's enormous contribution to Western civilization -- why, if it weren't for Islam, we practically would not have emerged from those caves in Lascaux, and Altamira.
There's way too many Muslims in the DC Metro Area. Tons of women wearing hijabs at U Maryland College Park, mosques everywhere I drive, tons of Muhammads and Mustafas working at Costco. It's more like the Islamic District of Wahabshington. There are mosques near the most affluent neighborhoods, e.g. Potomac. I'm surprised real-estate prices do not reflect the presence of mosques. Maybe they will in the future. Thank you Paul Sperry. As always our politicians betray us and let us down.
Today’s Extra-extras:
House of Bush, House of Saud.
http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm
11,000 dead Gulf War vets? Naw, there’s no connection between the house of Bushes and the Saudis. We NEEDED to save them from Saddam Hussein, after all, Saddam had already killed over a million Iraniacs, and we just couldn’t let that stand! Without our covert trading with Iran, we could’ve never won that undeclared war in Nicaragua!
http://www.cosmiciguana.com/archives/003564.html
And—of course!—Bin Laden got away, but THAT WAS ALL KERRY’S FAULT. Oh wait, for the next three years it’s ALL HILARY’S FAULT. (Then after that it’ll be ALL OBAMA’S FAULT.)
http://www.forbiddentruth.net
And, you won’t let yourselves remember this, but it happened, and I’m not going to let you forget it: Bush gave the Taliban 43 Million (of your) dollars in April, 2001.
http://www.americaheldhostile.com/ed090102.shtml
Aaah, there is the tireless Gary, "Truth Never To Be Silenced!" (cue applause) in his never-ending Crusade/jihad to destroy the Lib'ruls.
Only a dyed-in-the-wool idealoge would come to an article about the FAILURE of the (conservative, republican, Bush) administration to come clean about Islam and pollute it with comments linking us to hate-lib websites.
I must admit, I did enjoy the opportunity to comment on Uncle Walter's blab. I don't think he's going to like my letter, though (he-he! There's no nanny there to keep me from really handing him his hat. You're so lucky, Gary.)
And, I must confess that as usual Professor Horowitz does and excellent job of laying out many of the sad facts regarding Islam and the "peace now" campus phonies... alas, true to the I've-Never-Been-Wrong attitude to whom a certain group of people seem to ascribe, the whoooole (very long) essay ends (and I don't mind posting it here, since most of us won't bother to read the entire thing) thus:
Conclusion
The American peace left is heavily populated by radical and Communist groups whose foremost ambition is to facilitate the downfall of the U.S. – by any means necessary, and through any alliances which may further that cause. And, as evidenced by the foregoing list, well represented among these groups are Muslim organizations with passionately anti-American and anti-Israel agendas. Their ally in the current war against America is radical Islam, the murderous doctrine personified by Mohammed Atta and his fellow 9/11 hijackers, and by the masterminds of 9/11 and other attacks – bin Laden, Omar Abdel Rahman, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and many more.
How is it possible that such a seemingly unlikely alliance has been forged? After all, the Islamic radicals emphatically reject virtually everything for which the peace left claims to stand: the peaceful resolution of international conflict; respect and tolerance for other cultures and faiths; civil liberties; freedom of expression; freedom of thought; human rights; democracy; women’s rights; gay rights; and the separation of church and state. There could be no stranger bedfellows than American leftists and Islamic extremists. Yet they have been brought together by the one overriding trait they do share – their hatred for America; their belief that the U.S. is the very embodiment of evil on earth and must consequently be destroyed.
If only Herr Horowitz would try to use his Islam-hates-Liberals reasoning to actually talk to those "At War With America," phony, dreadlocked hippies, he could maybe make a big difference.
But it seems obvious that his intent here is not to convince any of "us" liberals that we have no business supporting or apologizing for Islam... no, the point is to convince conservatives that the liberals hate America, have declared war on America, have allied themselves with the likes of Mohammed Atta and Bin Laden, and are - in his words, seen above - are in possession of the belief that the U.S. is the very embodiment of evil on earth and must consequently be destroyed.
The unstated course of action is obvious. Most decent, good-hearted conservatives will act with their votes and their money, but a few--like Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph--will have other ideas.
Thank you, Professor Horowitz, and thank you, Gary. When the doo-doo hits the fan, you can do just like the con-rep professional haters did when McVeigh and Rudolph struck, which is exactly like Muslim apologists do every time the jihadis strike.
You know, you will never believe this, but you really can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. I just read Alan Dershowitz' "The Case For Isreal" and he actually made it all the way through 200-odd pages without whining about the liberals! Can you imagine? Anyway, the book is only 13 bucks; buy one for that special liberal in your life today (hurry, before Mullah Hannity and Mullah Limbaugh forbid you to have any liberal friends.)
KJ:
Dershowitz, by his own description, is a liberal, as Paul Berman is a liberal -- a genuine liberal (in the "enlightened mind" sense of the word)one who understands that liberal ideals and principles must be defended against illiberalism and does not mistake isolationism/non-interventionism and tolerance for the intolerant for progressive, enlightened liberal thinking.
'Aaah, there is the tireless Gary, "Truth Never To Be Silenced!" (cue applause) in his never-ending Crusade/jihad to destroy the Lib'ruls.'~ kj
The Defense for Academics who teach anti-American, Anti-Western, pro-Jihadist thought, has spoken.
The Leftist Academia’s islam propaganda machine. It's the perfect Anti-Science: Mention only the facts that back you up, ignore contradictory data, vilify anyone that questions you, stamp out calls for reform, repeat the lies again and again, and eventually you will win. ~ kj
The government repeatedly equates treat with violence. Islam is determined to use any means possible to achieve it's goals. Obviously violence won't work against the United States. While our attention is diverted to fear of homicide bombings, biological and nuclear threats, conquest by stealth is slowing chipping away as it did in Europe and we all know the outcome of that effort!
This is not rocket science. It is obvious that our government hasn't told us the full extent of the threat. The question is why.
kj, unfortunately the progressives (aka Bush haters, etc.) in my area have embraced the Muslim cause. They are trying to get Michael Savage off the radio and they started a weekly Islamic program on the local NPR; they invited Esposito here for Islam awareness week; they decided to boycott a Republican-run coffee shop in favor of the one run by a Palestinian, etc.
Are conservatives facing the problem of Islam squarely? Not yet, but, at least in my area, they don't go out of their way to shove Islam down our throats.
OK. I've read "Infiltration," seen other sources that document the thesis of Sperry's book, and now I've seen this FP interview.
The new slate for the next election:
Robert for President
Hugh for State
D.C. for Defense
Sperry for CIA
Bush gave the Taliban 43 Million (of your) dollars in April, 2001. ~ KJ
I can find no official record of this, nor what legislators voted for it, but I did find this exculpatory evidence...
Notice
Continuation of Emergency with Respect to the Taliban
On July 4, 1999, the President issued Executive Order 13129, "Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with the Taliban," to deal with the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by the actions and policies of the Taliban in Afghanistan. The order blocks all property and interests in property of the Taliban and prohibits trade-related transactions by United States persons involving the territory of Afghanistan controlled by the Taliban. The last notice of continuation was signed on June 30, 2000.
The Taliban continues to allow territory under its control in Afghanistan to be used as a safe haven and base of operations for Usama bin Laden and the al-Qaida organization who have committed and threaten to continue to commit acts of violence against the United States and its nationals. For these reasons, I have determined that it is necessary to maintain in force these emergency authorities beyond July 4, 2001. Therefore, in accordance with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am continuing the national emergency declared on July 4, 1999, with respect to the Taliban. This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE,
June 30, 2001.
Wait!
Sperry for that new position, "DNI."
Bar:
I suspect KJ gets his "facts" either from Craig Unger's House of Bush/House of Saud book or Michael Moore's F9/11, or perhaps both, because Moore relied on Unger, who botched a lot of his "facts", including who gave clearance to the bin Ladens to leave the US and when, and the extent of Saudi ownership of the US economy. I believe the story about US funding of the Taliban is another distortion of fact as well, but don't have the time at the moment to reference any of the debunkers of HB/HS -- F9/11 conspiracy theories.
I have drawn attention to the well-documented and broadly exposed flaws in Unger's book repeatedly on this site, but neither he nor Giaour seem to have taken any note.
Funny to see the left equate jihadis with white bigots but never EVER with non-white bigots.
Never mind that white bigots are marginalized, persecuted (rightfully), and ostracized while all others are elevated to positions of honor and leadership (i.e. CBC, NAACP, NOI, LaRaza, Mecha - to name the best known).
Never mind that white bigots are barely a blip on the radar - their activities sporadic and rare (and never mind that they are ALIGNED with the jihadis lol) - while jihadis are slaughtering people all over the globe nonstop and promoting a mindset that would make Eichmann blush.
Funny how they never mention the various marxist terror groups that have left their bloody footprints on the past few decades either..
Ok it's not funny.
Nazis dont just come in white, and fascism is INTEGRAL to marxism and Islam.
They're all kissin' cousins when need be.
Notice that only in places that dont need their alliance are muslims and commies at odds - i.e. Russia and China.
Everywhere else (including the US and EU) they are allies of convenience that may ultimately turn on each other, but not until they have used one another to destroy us.
By hitting the sponsors (like Saddam and the Talis) and voting against their supporters, we make that alliance too expensive.
We are winning.
We should have come out swinging a lot sooner (ideally, when I joined the military in 1980 because of the Iranians..heehee), but better late than never.
We just need to keep at it, and make treason a crime again.
I see that the so called "right wingers" have piled on as usual, with their self righteous obfuscation and blinders.
Ignoring the blatant and obvious fact that the biggest betrayals are coming from their own right wing leadership,like Bush and Co and Robert Muhammad Mueller, Grover Abudllah Norquist and Karl Ali Rove, and last but not least George bin Bush.
Methinks that Jihad Watch, Town Hall and too often Front Page at times, not to mention National Review, Weekly Standard, American Enterprise Institute use the "war on terrorism" as an excuse to wage their own culture war against the so called "liberals".
I don't think that they take the Islamic threat seriously at all, but see it as just another tool by which to whip those whom they consider their real enemies...the Liberals.
Both Jesus and Abraham Lincoln said "a house divided against itself cannot stand".
These so called "conservatives" have chosen to wage a culture war on two fronts, instead of building bridges with "liberals", they conflate them with the Islamists.
I use the term so called "conservatives" on purpose, because they aren't really conservatives at all, but reactionary idiots, every bit as brainwashed, hormonal, fear driven, self righteous and stupid as the Islamists.
I'm a conservative, a Goldwater Conservative, and Barry is the last vote I ever cast, and will cast.
In all honesty, I see not a dimes worth of difference between the current "conservative" and theocratic mindset and the Islamists.
Sorry Waterdragon, your claim that Paul Unger botched his facts, is the very same claim that the Saudis made, in fact the Saudis sued Unger in Britain for libel (there laws are different in England, and you don't have to prove libel, only harm).
How nice that you have climbed into the same bathtub with the Saudis.
And by the way, Ungers facts have not been repudiated, but as time goes on they are substantiated.
On another forum there is a Saudibot,an antisemite, an antiZionist, she apologizes, rationalizes and makes every lame excuse in the world for the Saudis. She is a mistress of disinfo tactics, distract, distort and deny.
She and the Muslims on that forum have made the identical claims that you and Gary do about Paul Unger.
How nice that you have jumped in and defended the Saudis, did you also support their suit against Unger.
Strange bedfellows heh
Bush Compliments Saudi on Antisemitic conferenceBush's unshakeable loyalty to the Saudi royal family?
President Bush earlier this month dispatched top White House official Frances Fragos Townsend to head an official U.S. delegation attending an "anti-terrorism" conference in Saudi Arabia -- a conference that aired vile anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist canards. Saudi Cleric Aed Al-Qarni noted at the conference that "The first to kill and use terrorism in the world were the Jews," according to a translation by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI); the cleric went on to describe September 11th as "an American terror attack."
According to White House press secretary Scott McClellan, President Bush spoke with Saudi Crown Prince Abdallah on February 14th and "complimented the Crown Prince on last week's successful counter-terrorism conference in Saudi Arabia."
In addition to the American delegation led by Townsend, who serves as President Bush's Homeland Security Advisor with the rank of Assistant to the President, the conference included participation from nations including Iran, Syria and Sudan -- all state sponsors of terrorism, according to the Department of State. Senator Frank Lautenberg (NJ) first warned President Bush to avoid the conference in a February 4th letter to Bush [...]
Throughout and surrounding the conference, various Saudi clerics noted that "Jews and the Christians are Allah's enemies," and that Jihad -- including attacks by insurgents in Iraq -- is appropriate. In a poem read before Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan, it was noted that Osama bin Laden "was sent by the Jews."
Townsend is Bush's Homeland Security Advisor with the rank of Assistant to the President
None of which- even if it did prove true (and most of it does Not), giaour- changes the fact that the Academia is indoctrinating hundreds of thousands of students, from grade school on up, in the 'religion of peace.' At the Expence of everyone else. I can't help if the links I post expose the hypocrisy of the pro-Jihadist, anti-Western, Anti-US Leftist teachers, who would tear it all down in favor of the Jihadists, blind to the fact that all the things they claim to believe would go down the hopper with the very culture they helped destroy. If you wish to support them in your anti-semitic-fogged mind, go for it. Then when they win, we shall be equal- equally screwed. Equally paying the dhimmi tax. Equally second class (if we're lucky).
We are Raising History Illiterates:
http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/
More for Waterdragon, who never backs up his claims and statements, and who believes that his handwaving is authority enough.
If there is anything false or untrue here, then refute it with facts, not handwaving.
The Fuel for Farenheit 9-11
Sperry, Unger and others detail the betrayal of America by the so called "right", but the Gary's and Waterdragons have on their blinders.
Neither I or KJ deny that there isn't a problem on the left (probably because I'm not a leftist, but neither am I a rightist) and we can't save ourselves until we build bridges and get beyond this internal "culture" war, this self defeating and crippling divisive left v right.
And I don't mind the barbs from Gary and Waterdragon et al, I get as much crap elsewheres from the so called "left".
To be honest, I don't think that the "right" really cares or takes seriously the problem of Islamism, but merely use it as an excuse and another tool in their self declared culture war, to turn America into a Christian version of Iran.
Bullshit, giaour. Mr. Spencer already nailed that contention in the leading article on the blog today.
And I would say pro-jihadist, pro-PA teachers in the schools certainly fills the bill of a 'culture war,' which is why I will Never stop providing that info. It may sometimes be redundant, but the case must continue to be made to the public until these anti-Western, Anti-US, anti-(fill in any faith but islam here) teachers are called on the carpet by the public, en masse.
How that is trying to create a religous state out of the US, is beneath my comprehension.
Hugh:
You say:
This isn't really the author i.e. Paul Sperry's view, but that of the Frontpage Magazine interviewer. As you know Frontpage Magazine provides a forum for Stephen Schwartz and other "moderate Muslims" against terrorism. Paul Sperry himself expresses more skeptical views, which are closer to your own.
To Patrick immediately above -- thank you for letting me know that I may have gained a false impression from the interview with Sperry. I was going to read his book, anticipating an alloyed pleasure, but now that pleasure may well be unalloyed. That's metal more attractive.
Waterdragon~ a little help for you:
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
http://moorewatch.com/index.php/weblog/air_lieden_part_two_in_a_series/
Related to terrorism but OT,
Illegals Blocking Marine Training
Marines getting ready for combat in Iraq or Afghanistan are having their training time shortened because hordes of illegal aliens from Mexico are wandering onto their firing ranges in Arizona while crossing the border illegally. [More below...
According to the Boston Globe, the commanding officers of the Marine Corps Air Station in Yuma, Arizona explained that virtually every Marine squadron headed to Iraq or Afghanistan receives combat training at the station, which for nearly 40 miles touches the U.S.-Mexico border in the southwestern corner of Arizona.
Colonel James J. Cooney, the base's commanding officer, told the Globe that since July 2004, the training range has been shut down more than 500 times because of immigrants spotted on the range, causing a loss of more than 1,100 training hours.
"We're getting overrun here. Any moment we take away from a Marine's experience base could cost him his life in combat," Cooney said.
He added that his Marines intercepted more than 1,500 undocumented immigrants on the training range last year and, in the first three months of this year, more than 1,100. He said that base personnel detain the immigrants and call in Border Patrol agents to pick them up.
"I have to use Marines that aren't trained in that to do that, which puts me at a liability," Cooney said. "It's completely counterproductive to our whole training operation.
"We just don't want them to come here, because we're firing lasers, we're shooting machine guns, we're shooting 209-millimeter cannons, and we're dropping practice bombs."
The Globe reported that last summer a Marine pilot dropped a practice bomb on a target and seconds later, a few feet away, a small group of illegal immigrants scrambled from underneath a bush and ran down the range. The near miss was caught on a training tape that Cooney has reviewed.
So far the Marines said there have been no deaths of immigrants in the training exercises.
"My overall concern is that we'd have an unfortunate incident out there where we'd inadvertently harm an illegal entrant that we did not spot or see, and that in turn would cause a moratorium on training until we sorted out what exactly happened," said Cooney.
And it's not just the Marines having the problem. According to the Globe one Army base and another the Air Force base, have experienced similar problems.
At the Army Yuma Proving Ground, near the Marine Corps Air Station but about 30 miles north of the border, an increasing number of undocumented immigrants have invaded military space and disrupted training.
"The smugglers just drive them up the highway and dump them off, and these illegal immigrants stumble right onto our testing range," said Chuck Wullenjohn, spokesman for the Yuma Proving Ground, one of the largest military installations in the Western world which constantly conducts tests for ground forces on artillery and ammunition, including tank rounds, mines, mortars, and helicopter guns.
"Having anyone on this range that doesn't belong here is extremely dangerous," Wullenjohn told the Globe. "The illegal immigrant issue is becoming a bigger problem all the time."
The Air Force told the Globe it has had to interrupt exercises with F-16 pilots after undocumented immigrants were spotted on a bombing range east of Gila Bend, north of the border.
"In 2004 we suspended range operations 55 times for a net loss of 122 hours," said Jim Uken, director of the 56th Fighter Wing range management office.
There is the additional concern that foreign terrorists could cross the Mexican border and infiltrate the Arizona bases to conduct intelligence gathering or commit acts of sabotage.
"The potential exists, and that is a key reason we are vigilant about securing our training ranges," Col. Cooney told the Globe.
Left/Right/Center/Libertarian/Conservative/Liberal-
These labels are all cheese for mental mousetraps that mean about as much as alchemical definitions.
I would hope that this comment link doesn't degenerate too often into a diversionary tactic from the essence of this site, with mere wrangling over 'my link is truer than your link'. These polemical badmitton matches blunt the real necessity of the work to be done: finding ways to get the Islamists either to control their maniacs. Or to be destroyed.
And how to alert more and more 'sleepwalkers' in the West (especially in political office, universities and the media) to the multi-faced threat of jihad. (The p.s. revisionist history face; the 'tolerant' C.A.I.R. face, the 'helpful interpreters who distort the message' face, etc.)
I fear the Washington won't level with us until a significant portion of Washington itself IS leveled.
Politicans, "left", "middle" and "right" seem all about equally weak, indecisive, uninformed and fecklessly dancing on pinheads- 'while Rome burns'.
I wish them all a pox, and a new crop is needed.
With the three things the future demands:
a SPINE (one who upholds the freedoms of humanity)
a "SET" (metaphorical, in the case of women)
and HISTORICAL SENSE. (Read the damn Koran!!!)
Dueling pundits are amusing, but what we require are those with the power to MOVE the dozing majority. Firebrands like Orianna Fallaci or Camille Paglia, who love the West and its heritage, not mere patriots of the passing political parade, who become as passe as Wendle "One World" Wilkie.
A Winston Churchill. Dogged and erudite.
Not the mediocrities posing at present.
It may take the winnowing of disaster to bring them out.
I sure don't see them in the political scene, anywhere, yet.
and Barry is the last vote I ever cast, and will cast.~ Giaour
You didn’t vote? For you not to partake in the freedoms purchased for you buy American blood, yet every single day you get on your soap box and attempt to vilify the current administration, is atrocious. By you not voting, you willingly gave me the power to decide your future and yet you now cry foul. Maybe your excuse is on the pretense that Mickey Mouse wouldn’t have won anyways. Which would be completely beside the point.
If you don’t vote, you forfeit your backbiting rights! So STFD & STFU
waterdragon52
So true, so true..
They don’t understand, its not a left, right thing, it’s a getting your facts straight thing.
Which apparently to them becomes a left, right thing if the left is criticized all the while its open season on the right. I get a big laugh when Giaour quotes “a house divided will not stand”, as if to say, come over to my side or our country will collapse. American history has proven that disparities in opinions and ideology do not divide us as a country.
Example, In American history only a hand full of elections have been won by a large popular majority percentage, from a quick glance I would say that 80-90% of our elections have been won by less than 60% of the popular vote.
'And how to alert more and more 'sleepwalkers' in the West (especially in political office, universities and the media) to the multi-faced threat of jihad. (The p.c. revisionist history face; the 'tolerant' C.A.I.R. face, the 'helpful interpreters who distort the message' face, etc.)'
BigSleep~ I for one Agree with you! Yes, I put up links detailing what leftist teachers are indoctrinating our upcoming generations in- but that is something that needs to be Stopped! And not Labelled as 'lib'rul' hating, which is total bull.
Are there things on the right that needed stopping/fixing as well? Yes! But we get labelled, and especially Mis-labelled, simply for holding a POV people like giaour can't abide by. Even tho I do Not consider myself but a few degrees off the Center, by simple fact that I believe in a higher power, small minds need to relegate myself and others to some 'christian' reconstruction group (which is Not Christian, nor likely to be ruling the world anytime in the next few hundred years. Not if we can help it!).
I post Information the public needs to see. Mr. Spencer's site is perfectly situated for this kind of material. If some few want to label it and US, so be it. They'll have their turn once the tide of islam is turned back.
KJ and his pet, Giaour, should start getting their information from sources other than Michael Moore mockumentaries.
The claim that the Bush administration gave $43 million to the Taliban is a well-worn (and long-discredited) urban myth.
From then-Secretary of State Colin Powell's press briefing announcing the aid package:
"We distribute our assistance in Afghanistan through international agencies of the United Nations and non-governmental organizations," Powell said. "We provide our relief to the people of Afghanistan, not to Afghanistan's ruling factions. Our aid bypasses the Taliban, who have done little to alleviate the suffering of the Afghan people, and indeed have done much to exacerbate it."
http://www.alternet.org/story/11629
BigSleep, there's a very deep reason why Washington is in denial.
If your career depends on somebody's vote, how easy is it to tell him, "Look, if you vote for me, I'll do what it takes to defend the country--you just have to invest your son's life and, as a compromise measure with my feminist colleagues, your daughter's as well"?
Since suffrage implies a responsibility of leaders to the led, Immanuel Kant held that a concert of free republics would guarantee European peace, while one of dynasts would turn warfare into the highest sport.
Some say we limited government rightists are all drooling for blood; but the fact of the matter is, it takes things like 9/11 to rile us, too. Our deeper instinct is to go with John Adams, who said America should be well-wisher of liberty everywhere, and champion only of its own.
Further, having been inside the belly of the policy beast, my own sense is that much of professional (as opposed to elected) Washington's view of religion in public life is an uneasy balance between the militant godless, the supporters of a tamed civil religion, and a new Age sensitivity that says "mystic religion, good (never mind the Sufis of Mindanao); dogmatic religion bad (never mind the Rev. Dr. John Witherspoon)".
I admit I'm one to sit on a razorblade about Islam per se; partly because I see slippery slopes every which way. Islam's foundational texts glorify violence, and gleefully exhort the faithful to hurry folks on their way to Hell. Yet plenty of Muslims will scowl and say "Who made OBL Caliph?" when he calls for jihad. I can deny neither the violence implicit in Islam's core texts nor the Yemeni immigrants who went straight to the feds as soon as they got wind of the what the Lackawanna Six were up to. Nor can I deny the existence of certain conservatively Muslim Malaysians I've known who, in 1991, desperately wanted the Cold War coalition to hold, or the likes of Turgut Ozal, another conservative Muslim politician who nonetheless wholeheartedly supported the maintenance of NATO and Gulf War I, even though the latter entailed a very real and large economic loss for Turkey.
Further, for the sake of KJ, Giaour, Voltaire, and others, what do you make of Rousseau's exaltation of something called "the General Will", which justified compelling men to be happy? And what of the New Left, whose veterans now guiding the Democratic Party were schooled on Franz Fanon's doctrine of violence as a revolutionary catharsis? (OK, I'll take at face value Giaour's denial of standing with the immoderate Left). Can you not admit that those of us who stand outside the liberal tradition might not feel just a little unfomfortable? I'm old enough to remember classes I paid for being shut down by New Left-organized demos; and buildings being blown up by the Students for a Democratic Society rather than Students for a Khomeini-ite Society.
Gary:
Thanks for the offer of help, but the only one who needs that around here in a serious way is Giaour.
I have never written anything that could possibly be construed as a defence of the Saudis and his lurching back and forth from his favourite "Bush is in bed with the Saudies" to "Bush is in bed with the Iranians and I have an Aryan Nation-friendly website to back me up on that" is absolutely comical.
What I did ask is what did Unger have to delete from his book in order to find a Brit publisher who would touch it with a ten foot pole. I further speculated that Unger might have used the opportunity to correct some of his more egregious errors.