Bangladeshi jihadist leader: stay away from the blame game, and fight the conspiracy against Islam

He said fear of punishment of Allah should not be confined to mosques only. It should manifest in everyone’s life starting from politics to economics and society to administration.

This states exactly why Islam is not compatible with life in the West. Extremists drive Islam and although some Muslims wish to assimilate and conform, Islam does not. There is nothing more to say except that those that wish to live under and Islamic system should leave.

There is a worldwide conspirasy against Islam...It's called enlightenment. Islam has been illuminated and because of the light of information, Islam has been "found out"...cant hide behind allah anymore...Islam is headed for the scrapheap of bad ideas....

Good greif! There is so much Hindu inspired heresy among Muslims of the Indian subcontinent, they need to fight against that. Gross! So much about Muslims from that area reeks of Hinduism. Grave, and saint worshipping, associating partners with Allah Azzawajal, which is strictly forbideen and even takes you out of the fold of Islam.

...and Brownfinger the Salafisted thinks most JWers are prejudiced against Muslims.

Speaking of reeking, Brownfinger's a real breath of rancid air.

Of course, she doesn't understand that people ought to be allowed to worship whatever gods they like, and that given there's no evidence at all for her god her own chauvinist attitdude is highly hypocritical.

Why does she hate Hinduism? But it seems that, incredibly, Mr. Spencer may have been wrong about something - there are indeed Hinduphobes! Such as Brownfinger, for example, a muslim. Are there also Shintophobes, Jainophobes, Christianophobes and Judaiophobes in islam?

Seems to me, the answer's yes.

Geoff

He's calling for unity among muslims. Blaming the rest of the world isn't really blaming in his eyes. We are all sub-muslim (Thank God for that).

Clearly showing the muslim mindset of Dar-ul Islam and Dar-ul Harb

Geoff

You can call it Kaffirphobia. The depth of sheer unadulterated hatred and contempt for Hinduism amongst Muslims is almost indescribable. It is a deep rooted, hard wired thing. At least Christians and Jews are comprehensible to them. Despite Muslims themselves worshipping a black stone, the sheer plurality and garish iconography and colourful playful manifold representations of God in Hinduism drives Muslims nuts. Well, if you consider that they are raised to spit on pagans and smash down their places of worship just as the Prophet did, you may be able to comprehend a little of the outrage Hindus can inspire in the followers of the One True Faith.

Of course, Kaffirphopia is present in virtually all Muslims to a greater or lesser degree, hatred of all religions and belief systems, there is of course only one, there can only be one Submission; to many it represents a psychotic rapture. You know all about that.

cheers

In 1971 the Muslim army of General Yahya raped and pillaged through Bangladesh. It had local collaborators, the razakars, who were determined for the sake of Islam to keep West Pakistan in control of East Pakistan, whatever hideousness was required to assure that. Millions of East Pakistanis -- Bangladeshis -- including Muslims as well as Hindus, sought refuge in Indian Bengal.

Now Islam has for some time been increasing its hold over men's minds -- or many men's minds -- in Bangladesh. The result has been the murder of the most secular and enlightened Bangladeshis. And of course the Hindus have been leaving (you can find, on the Internet, pictures of hapless Hindus being beaten to death by Muslims when the former simply had the misfortune to be outside a mosque -- and mosques are everywhere -- as Friday Prayers were letting out). The results are there for all to see. But the textile factories owned by Japanese and South Koreans may not stay forever; there is always China. And Bangladesh has nothing but an alluvial -- or should one say diluvial -- plain. It has its guest-workers, mistreated beyond belief in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the Gulf. But nothing else. Islam, only Islam. But Islam is not the solution. It is the problem. It is their problem. We need not make it ours.

mankind had suffered disastrous consequences for separating religion from politics

Guys:

Lately there has been A LOT of troll feeding going on at JW. Most of us know that this is a total waste of time and effort but occasionally the provocation is so egregious it can't be avoided.

I'd like to point out that no muslim poster to this site (with the probable exception of Jsingleton and Thomas Haidon, who are anti-jihad) has ever been able to present a cogent, logical, substantive, well-reasoned argument that was on-topic and responded appropriately to a challenege. (As you all know, critical thinking skills are discouraged in islam and are indeed anathema to the true "believer".) The best they can do is resort to ad hominems, tu quoque and other meaningless tactics, always the same ones that they get from their same old tired websites, as well as post long cut-and-pastes that are also from those same and now-all-too-familiar (yawn) websites, which most of us regulars just skip right on over without reading since we've seen it all so many times before.

I'm not saying that a response or two isn't called for from time to time, but you troll-feeders (and you know who you are) are allowing the muslims to hijack entire threads and establish their OWN agendas, diverting us from Robert's and our own. Do you really want to give them that kind of influence or platform?

I suggest that if you can't keep yourself from endlessly engaging these trolls (which only encourages them, as they are always involved in either jihad or da'wa), you pony up at the donations link on the JW homepage to compensate Spencer for the bandwidth that they waste and abuse.

muslim trolls are drawn to this site like flies to a sh@t-pile, but that doesn't mean we have to buy into their efforts at manipulation and their stale, tired rhetoric. It's just getting so OLD.

BTW, the trolls hardly ever visit DW on a regular and consistent basis, so for those of you just as fed up with the infestation as I am, consider spending more time over there.

I plan to post this message more than once to get the message out. Sorry for the repetition, but it simply had to be said - AGAIN.

CGW

No wonder why they have so much support in the American black power community fro Islam. Both groups behave badly yet always blame the outsiders for their failures; like povery and oppression in Islamic countries are Israel's fault or racists keep the black students from succeeding in school.(nothing to do with homework not done, skipped classed, hostility towards the teacher, too much tv and rap and not enough reading, writing and arithmetic.) Both are basically whiny amoral victims groups who never take any responsibility for their own messes.

"Blessings of Allah will descend on the country if there is fear of Allah at the state, society level and among leading persons in the administration," he said.

It only took the U.S a very short period of time to begin reaping the Blessings for the documents that founded her which were carefully written in respect to the Lord Jesus.

America's first Prayer:

[now bear with me here - I have a point to make]

The first prayer in Congress, Sept. 24, 1774, in Philadelphia's Carpenters Hall.

Lord our Heavenly Father, High and Mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech thee, on these our American States, who have fled to thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent on Thee, to Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give; take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst Thy people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come.

All this we ask In the Name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior. Amen." And the Lord blessed America - Because they had put their trust in Him.

"Blessings of Allah will descend on the country if there is fear of Allah at the state, society level and among leading persons in the administration," he said.

After so many centuries - why hasn't allah kept his promise?

And why did he desert them after promising them Victory while massive countries that surround Israel attacked Israel in the name of Islam - but lost?

How much longer is it going to take them to realize that allah lied?

How much longer should the Lord have to share His glory with one that calls His Son an abomination?

America would be wise to recosider!

reconsider

Conspiracy against islam? Where do we sign up?

G'day mate (Geoff)

Re: Brownbomber:

"Of course, she doesn't understand that people ought to be allowed to worship whatever gods they like, and that given there's no evidence at all for her god her own chauvinist attitdude is highly hypocritical.

Why does she hate Hinduism? But it seems that, incredibly, Mr. Spencer may have been wrong about something - there are indeed Hinduphobes! Such as Brownfinger, for example, a muslim. Are there also Shintophobes, Jainophobes, Christianophobes and Judaiophobes in islam?"

Hatred & agression, indoctrination & tunnelvision are part & parcel of Jihad & inseparable from Islam. As you can see from the above post: Mohammedans suck the hatred in with the mothers milk. Look at the pictures on Ali Sinas site with Paley -child suicide bombers, or toddlers in Irak whose mothers give them bloody cuts over the head. It's another planet!

Zico, you hit it on the head!

Hugh:

"But nothing else. Islam, only Islam. But Islam is not the solution. It is the problem. It is their problem. We need not make it ours":

Rarely do I diagree with you. Only trouble is, it is already our problem, and we will have a tough time to make it go away...

we will have a tough time to make it go away.

Keep quoting the vicious parts of the Koran.

I know that sounds like a broken record - but the more they are exposed - the more people will actually learn just what the 'terrorists' have been led to believe - and that the Koran is the very reason they slaughter without any mercy.

That is the power of the spirit over the mind.

A bloody battle is not going to end it.

The Koran will only keep sending them.

Hate the Koran - not the Muslim.

Hate the Koran - not the Muslim.

Please let me correct that:

Hate the Koran - and its true followers - who have every intention in carrying out their allah's commands

Not all who claim to be Muslims - are really Muslims - not if they can't bring themselves to slaughter another - which is Murder

Hugh:

"But nothing else. Islam, only Islam. But Islam is not the solution. It is the problem. It is their problem. We need not make it ours"

Rarely do I diagree with you. Only trouble is, it is already our problem, and we will have a tough time to make it go away...
--from a posting above by Terminator

But do you disagree? I meant that we need not make Islam a problem in our midst by continuing to allow Muslim migration to the West, and we need not tolerate the slightest deviation from the manners, customs, political and social arrangments of the Western world -- which every other kind of migrant has managed to adapt to. We are under no obligation to modify our own civiilzation for another, much more primitive, unpleasant, demeaning, and hostile one.

If you thought I meant we should be indifferent to Islam, or not create the conditions then perhaps I did not make myself clear.

I do think we have to meddle in the sense of reducing our aid, of every kind, and reducing the contacts with the Muslim world (access to our universities, access to our technology, medical care, and so on). When an executive at Al-Jazeera complacently tells someone making a documentary about that combination of TASS and Der Stuermer that he intends to send his children to America so that they may "enjoy the American dream and avoid the Arab nightmare" I say to that: no. Your children will not be permitted to come "enjoy the American dream" because you, sir, are in up to your neck in the blood of American soldiers, and of other non-Muslims throughout the world. You are part of the enemy. You wage war through al-Jazeera. Your children should, by rights, have to live in and endure the world that you are helping to create -- which should provide, over time, the impetus for Arabs and Muslims themselves to modify their own societies. No other group of migrants to the Western comes bearing in their mental baggage hostility to the West, which is not thrown away but kept upon arrival, and not even stored for safekeeping. And we poor Infidels never know when and how that hostility will be displayed.

Look just at what we are supposed, so wrongly, to be impressed by -- that there is, nearly four years after 9/11, finally, just a "Muslim March Against Terrorism." Not against Jihad. Not against the treatment of non-Muslims in Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the Sudan, and of course in the relentless Jihad against Israel. No, we are supposed to be impressed, and presumably less wary, because some Muslims -- who have been actively seeking non-Muslim money (bien sur, always the money) and non-Muslim participation, so that what should be an entirely Muslim effort, if it is to mean anything (we already know that non-Muslims are against mass murder, don't we?) is likely to be farcical, but not so farcical that it will not be hailed by some, or used as Exhibit A to show that "see, Muslims in America really are doing their bit." The fact that the head of this "March," Kamal Nawash, has political ambitions, and has already run unsuccessfully once, and no doubt hopes to parlay this "March Against Terrorism" into something that he can take advantage of, makes one even more doubtful about the motives, and worth of this whole thing.

When I write that Islam is the problem that explains the failures -- political, economic, social, and intellectual, of Muslim societies, and it "is their problem" and we need "not make it ours" I do not mean we should do nothing. But the less contact we have with the Muslim world, even the contact of American soldiers with some of those "good Iraqis" we are training in Iraq or still more, working with in Afghanistan, can lead the unwary and naive soldiers (one can be a big burly tough soldier and still a complete innocent, or make colossally bad political decisions -- look at brave, tough, utterly pathetic Arik Sharon)into misunderstanding the nature of Islam, by focussing on this or that Muslim version of Gunga Din (there might be a very few) and refusing to think geopolitically. Innocence is not necessarily ended by participation in a war, especially where the Western world is wallowing in sentimentalism, and has been for some decades.

I was also thinking, when I wrote "Islam is their problem" and we "need not make it ours" about the whole mythology that has sprung up -- the latest attempt to avoid reality -- about "the war within Islam." It sounds plausible to some. It ignores, of course, 1350 years of conquest and aggression of Muslims, wherever and whenever possible, against non-Muslims in other lands, or non-Muslims living under Muslim rule. But assorted Muslims (that young Iranian who has just published his idiotic book), and non-Muslims who think we need to work at encouraging the "moderates" (again, without defining them, without explaining how we can be sure these "moderates" will even stay "moderate" -- see Turkey, see Iran), who are promoting this idea are dangerous, if they keep the unwary -- unwary.

I suspect, if you read this posting, and consider what I have written many times (even for pedagogic reasons endlessly repeating the same phrases, which I hate to do) you will realize we don't disagree.

I do think we have to meddle in the sense of reducing our aid, of every kind, and reducing the contacts with the Muslim world (access to our universities

Hugh? I believe the universities have been the widest gate of all - even more so than illegal immigrants.

I also believe that many universities have sold America down the road - being bought by Islamic nations.

And I agree - those gates should be shut - immediately.

Here's a solution - lols but really:

Let all American parents boycott the universities for a while [it wouldn't take long]

What good is an education if you have to be concerned with being blown to pieces at a mall, hospital, bus, trian......?

"Your children should, by rights, have to live in and endure the world that you are helping to create -- which should provide, over time, the impetus for Arabs and Muslims themselves to modify their own societies."

The reverse (as you have stated many times before) is also true.

Our children, by right, have to live in and endure the world that we are creating.

Why is it that a 1981 Ford Escort got 36 highway mpg and a 2000 Subaru Forester gets only 24 highway mpg?

Another lesson that we take our sweet time to learn.

The containment of contemporary Islam starts right here, at home.

Dunno where I heard this but it seems apt:

"The first victim of islam is the muslim".

Hence, give mussis sympathy where possible. Mussis ought to be encouraged to seek the light of truth in religion, not death cults.

Reduced contact, regrettably, seems to be the only option.

The sudden reversion of "moderates" to what imams and non-moderates call "true islam" creates a class of the utterly unpredictable, representing a physical threat to those around them. What's the key? Poverty? No. Education? No. Justice? No. The common denominator is a return to the 7th-century core of the islamic faith.

Is there any truth to the inevitable argument of "cultural" effects? Well, since radicals seem to burst into full flower without real provocation in East and West, from band-camp rejects to successful businessmen, no. Or what "cultural effects" in the West are we meant to believe causes a man to order his wife to wear a veil? What "culture" is he representing? Where in Western culture is this represented?

And finally, the islamicist examples we collect at JW seem to confirm the worst fears, without exception: hatred, religious intolerance (to which I emphasize the utter hatred islam has for its 'fellow Abrhamic faith', Christianity, to say nothing of Judaism), false assumption, superiority complexes, blind faith, historical and religious revisionism, triumphalism - and, of course, the ancient rub, antisemitism. What is one expected to believe in such cases? What can we possibly find in such examples to make us in any way hopeful or happy about this religion? There are examples to the contrary - Naseem, Thomas - but they are outnumbered. Some sects don't even consider them muslim.

So maybe the answer is isolation after all. Each side goes to their corner and isn't allowed to play with each other for a thousand years; for if we can't get along, then it is better to get apart.

Geoff

Geoff,

I hate Hindusim as much as YHWH hated the makers and worshippers of the golden calf, and for the same reason.

Jakester,

I wouldnt go there if I were you, someone will eventully call you a racist, and take it from me, it hurts when they do. Boo Hoo!!!!

Hugh,

How did Prophet Muhammed and his companions treat thier guest workers? Theres is the only example I follow?

Brownie...YHVH is incapable of hate. YHVH is not a person and has no human attributes...YHVH is not a name...It is also known as the "Holy Tetragrammaton". It was considered too holy to be pronounced, except on rare occasions. It was used in a magical sense as proper pronunciation would cause phenomena.
When Moses asked God his name, God avoided the name issue by stating, I AM THAT I AM...this is not a name...it means, existence is existence. "I AM" is not a name either...You notice that God did not say its name was Allah, while it had a chance to do so...In the rest of the bible book of Exodus it is refered to as LORD AM, or, YHVH in existence. None of these, except Allah, are names...The reason for that is that God has no name...The WORD GOD is a title , not a name...The WORD Ilah, is also not a name, only "things" have names and God is not a "thing". God cannot be a "thing" because he is the creator of all "things"...believing that God is a "thing" diminishes it because it leads to the argument of who created the creator...
Allah is a name, Allah is a "thing", Allah cant be God...I know that was deep but try to follow it...YHVH cant hate anyone...

I hate Hindusim as much as YHWH hated the makers and worshippers of the golden calf, and for the same reason.

Theology is an endless logical trap. If the all-powerful, all-knowing, eternal creator of the universe - bounded by nothing - wants to work through a bit of matter, who am I to judge? The Virgin Mary pops up on grilled cheese sandwiches. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Well, it's clear Brownfinger's not into either respect for other religions (which, to restate, she can neither prove nor disprove) and that she doesn't care about hating other races, either (blacks AND whites; very ecumenical...like Archie Bunker, but without writers or redemptive qualities, and much more rabid).

Sad, yes. Unexpected...no.

Thanks for supporting the work of this site.

Interesting point, swami - nice post. It makes one wonder who's really doing the hating - the god of Brownfinger, or Brownfinger herself.

Geoff

Hugh:

"We are under no obligation to modify our own civiilzation for another, much more primitive, unpleasant, demeaning, and hostile one."

Absolutely! I knew you did not mean what I understood when I read "It is their problem, we need not make it ours..."

Thanks for clarifying that!

And yet, we have made it our problem by bending over backwards accommodating them, by giving them all the undeserved benefits of the welfare system, even the vote! We tried to integrate the fanatical followers of a cult, of a foreign planet! It's like testing a virus without the antibiotica needed to isolate it...

I watched Tim Sebastian last night from BBC: An audience of mostly Arbs and ME's, and a discussion with a bundhc of Imams, Mufties and other apologists. Looks like they pulled his teeth already... Nowadays they rub it in circular motion: It's aone way street: Never what they can do to integrate, assimilate, no way! It's always us having to "understand" them...

Funny, the meaning of 'understand' translated in other languages means 'to be under' or to submit...

Hugh:

"We are under no obligation to modify our own civiilzation for another, much more primitive, unpleasant, demeaning, and hostile one."

Absolutely! I knew you did not mean what I understood when I read "It is their problem, we need not make it ours..."

Thanks for clarifying that!

And yet, we have made it our problem by bending over backwards accommodating them, by giving them all the undeserved benefits of the welfare system, even the vote! We tried to integrate the fanatical followers of a cult, of a foreign planet! It's like testing a virus without the antibiotica needed to isolate it...

I watched Tim Sebastian last night from BBC: An audience of mostly Arbs and ME's, and a discussion with a bundhc of Imams, Mufties and other apologists. Looks like they pulled his teeth already... Nowadays they rub it in circular motion: It's aone way street: Never what they can do to integrate, assimilate, no way! It's always us having to "understand" them...

Funny, the meaning of 'understand' translated in other languages means 'to be under' or to submit...

Voletti,

What is a Mussis, must be the Jewish version of a kike.

Unsurprising that some people would invoke the "k-word". How charming.

One is forced to wonder as to Brownfinger's position on Jews.

Then again, maybe not.

Geoff

Geoff,

No one said anything to that Voletti when she used the word Mussis which is just as derogatory. So I used the k-word, or kike simply to show that its ok to insult Muslims but not to insult jews.

My position on Jews doesnt deviate from the Quran and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (sallalalhu alaihi wa salam)

When he/she stops using Mussis I will not use kike. I dont like the word because using it is an imitation of the kafirs and thier irrational hatred of Jews, but in the interest of trying to make a point, I must.

I approve of neither term; but which race are muslims? The Jews are a race; black people are a race; white people are a race. Which race are muslims?

Moreover, you have ALREADY called all non-muslims i) "kufr", which is viciously derogatory, ii) "unclean" ("naij"), which is EXTREMELY derogatory, and lastly you opined that we resembled "shaytan", or Satan, the devil. The latter is, of course, beyond insult to actually religious people.

To say nothing of your racial insults against white and black people.

So, conversely, you think it's fine to insult black people, white people and non-muslims (and Jews) but not muslims. Additionally, in following your 'prophet' directly, this also means you have extremely offensive and bigoted views of Jews: "doesnt deviate from the Quran and the Sunnah of Muhammed". I can only imagine what you say about us when you walk away from the computer and are free to talk among friends.

Thus, although I personally find the word offensive, I think you can hardly complain about what other people in turn say about muslims, can you really? And perhaps you can tell us what "mussis" implies, anyway?

Pot, meet kettle.

And Allah knows least.

Geoff

Allah is a name, Allah is a "thing", Allah cant be God...I know that was deep but try to follow it...YHVH cant hate anyone...

duh_swami?

Mal 1:3 And I [The Lord] hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

There are a whole bunch more like that one.

And they come from the Old testament - not the New

which has to be said - because there are some who don't accept the New

The Lord does so hate - certain ones - and He tells why.

Geoff,

"I approve of neither term; but which race are muslims? The Jews are a race; black people are a race; white people are a race. Which race are muslims?"

I didnt know Jews were a race. I only thought the Nazis thought they were a race. SO Ethiopian Jews, Yemeni Jews, Russian Jews, and Indian Jews are all the same race? Oh right that Cohen gene. Anyway get off the race thing, its so primitive. Besides before blacks were a race, before the Europeans and Arabs got to Africa, they were Hutu, Tutsi, Swahili, Zulu, but in our utter contempt for them we decided they would just be black.

"Moreover, you have ALREADY called all non-muslims i) "kufr", which is viciously derogatory, ii) "unclean" ("naij"), which is EXTREMELY derogatory, and lastly you opined that we resembled "shaytan", or Satan, the devil. The latter is, of course, beyond insult to actually religious people."

Actually kafir isnt derogatory but if you dont want me to call you a kafir I will just call you a disbliever. THat is essentially what it means. Najis- unclean, I cant comment on that word because I dont know the ruling on that concept.

"Additionally, in following your 'prophet' directly, this also means you have extremely offensive and bigoted views of Jews: "doesnt deviate from the Quran and the Sunnah of Muhammed"."

Actually I think the Messenger was alot nicer to Jews than the Bible. But whatever.

"I can only imagine what you say about us when you walk away from the computer and are free to talk among friends."

Friends...? Only if...

"And perhaps you can tell us what "mussis" implies, anyway?" Actually it kinda sounds vulgar.

Jews can trace their ancestry back to Adam and Eve.