Credit card jihad. From the Detroit News, :
DEARBORN -- A 41-year-old Dearborn businessman sought to support the Lebanese terror group Hezbollah by collecting at least $600 to send to relatives of suicide bombers, the FBI said Tuesday.FBI agents arrested Nemr Ali Rahal on April 20 at his Dearborn home. They found a videotape of a 2002 Hezbollah rally in Lebanon attended by Rahal. Agents also found books, posters and videos -- one of which was titled "A Martyr Speaks About Martyrs."
One tape was described by a federal prosecutor as a recruitment video. A picture showed Rahal and another man tearing and burning an American flag.
The U.S. government has named Hezbollah, a Lebanese group known as the Party of God, as a terrorist organization. Hezbollah has conducted many high-profile attacks, especially on Israelis, and including the killing of a U.S. Marine lieutenant in 1989.
On Tuesday, U.S. Magistrate Steven D. Pepe ordered Rahal to stand trial on charges he had committed financial fraud by stealing more than $400,000 -- largely by opening more than 30 credit card accounts and then failing to pay balances.
Pepe said he would decide today whether to release Rahal on bond.
Yeah, let him out, Judge. You wouldn't want to appear "Islamophobic."
In Michigan, do they allow posting bail by credit card?
:)
Wow, someone tries to help the family of a suicide bomber and automatically he is supporting terrorism? Obviously, some people seems to disagree with the concept that one is only responsible for one's own actions. Supporting someone who has not perpetrated a terrorist attack is not supporting terrorism.
You pays your money, and you makes your choice.
Better call the ACLU and CAIR to try to throw out the evidence based on an illegal search. Does the ACLU accept donations from muslims with credit cards, no matter, the ACLU will to it “pro bono”.
Shukri:
You've been abrogated!
Since Al Aryan's defense "team" says he "can't get a fair trail" (thank YOU, Mel Martinez) in Tampa, does that mean that prosecutors will make sure Rahal will not be tried in Dearborn, Michigan?
Furthermore--WTF?--by "opening more than 30 credit cards" he got 400 THOUSAND dollars? How? It couldn't have been over 35, since they would have said "more than 35 credit cards." So let's say it was 35 at the most. Every one gave him (on average) an INITIAL line of credit of $11,000? It seems crazy to me. Maybe he had some help "on the inside." Well whatever; he'd better hurry up and declare bankruptcy...he's only got about five months left to do so.
Maybe he's wealthy. I guess maybe someone that's rich can get those kind of terms.
Another thing... he stole $400K and only sent a paltry $600 to the "martyrs"? What a cheapskate. And these are the pighumpers that say JEWS are cheap? Yeah, right. So long Rahal. Enjoy spending the rest of you life in prison.
Please, Shurki (misspelling intended), before you whine, read:
On Tuesday, U.S. Magistrate Steven D. Pepe ordered Rahal to stand trial on charges he had committed financial fraud by stealing more than $400,000 -- largely by opening more than 30 credit card accounts and then failing to pay balances.
And helping to compensate the families of the jihadis for their "loss" is certainly aiding and abetting terror.
KJ,
Why do you call him Al Aryan, is he a Persian or something?
I hope they throw the book at this guy.
Please, Shurki (misspelling intended), before you whine
Remember, whine is Haraam for all Muslims.
He has all that extra spending money and credit because he lives off the taxpayers and the liberal Gov't give away programs. Welfare, housing assistance, free medical, etc. Not difficult to understand how he can get credit, he doesn’t pay for any living costs. I’m sure he is very grateful to the liberal democrats in this country. Not. And now he will go to prison (that is if CAIR and the ACLU doesn’t get him off) and be a further expense on the middleclass.
We should tax all immigrants at a higher rate to offset the cost of all this expense. Better yet, not let them in at all, especially if they come from Islamic countries.
May 5, 2005
Bronx explosion last night??
TX church burned Sunday??
MI wont let middle school band play Louie Louie they think it is obscene? Even after an FBI report that took 2 years to prove other wise? So see what mulsums can do take away your music and fun??
Democrats in the house all vote no to the money for the US Military and the money for the victims of the killer wave?? So who was it the other day who said democrats care about this fight??? I would say they are lucky that the American People have seen through them and not given them power!!
2 people shot dead @ oil company in TX??
UN=LON=Arab league worker [Dutch] gets pissed @ pretty pots in NYC?? Could his job have been to see what it takes to take out our flowers??
Thanks to the USA and FREE Afghanis 76 islamic terrorist DEAD seams some were Chechens?? And what is this about the Russians finding a truck with 2600lbs of explosives and some thing about sarain gas?? Guess the iranis have lied to them as well?? Guess the Russians are in some luck maybe it is my new Alexandrite ring really love the color!!
What is up with that libby guy why didn’t he kill him self isn’t like those bastards to lie say I will fight to the death but in the end give up or run away!!!
THE 2ND AMENDMENT
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http://www.beecy.net/frank/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Default.htm#Attacks
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From: menachem bigums
11/1/2004 4:00:24 AM
Subject: RE:The UN shows its backbone - as usual - as Muslims run amok and burn churches down
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY[FREEDOM][LOUIE LOUIE] TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THIS EVIL AMEN
PS
Egypt has arrested 1000 islamic terrorist wonder how long they will hold or how many they will kill??
Hey Everyone,
FYI, Ayaan Hirsi Ali was on NPR's Talk of the Nation today. She's a pleasant, articulate person and I suspect she would destroy any Islamist in a debate about Islam. One of the callers delivers a classic 'People who criticize Islam( Islamists always say Is-lamb ) don't really know or understand it.'
Right.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4632123
Should be available in the archives later today.
Cheers.
Shirki, what are you doing still posting here after I exposed you for your commitment to violence?
In excuse of violence you wrote:
"To deny and disbelieve in God, who has blessed us with all of the blessings that we take for granted, is the height of AGGRESSION and injustice. Those who believe in God will, in reality, always be superior to those who disbelieve."
"God blesses humans with LIFE, the senses, -- And then man rejects God! Is this not the highest transgression?"
Ergo, you support it. These are pleading arguments for violence.
You make that abundantly clear when you maliciously attempt to repaint Rahal's paying off the families of suicide bombers and his use of fraud to do so.
Speaking of fraud, Shirki: when are you going to pay 3rdtime his money?
Imam Geoff
I did read that. So it is a financial crimes case. Why is it on Jihad Watch then? (if not to demonize Muslims by citing "examples")
So, you believe that a family is directly responsible for the "crime" of a relative?
And BTW: someone who pays off families of suicide bombers IS supporting terrorism.
Do not go against my words, Shirki.
Imam Geoff
In the case of suicide bombers like Hassan Al-banna's Jordanian-born and bred grandson who recently blew up 120+ Shiite Muslims in Iraq and wounded many more and was celebrated by his family after as a martyr, yes, I sure do.
And this is probably not the exception, but the rule. We know all about the venerating of martyrs and celebrating of the noble mothers who give birth to them and raise them to believe that the dysfuntional society they live in is the result of Israel, and not because they are being used as pawns by their Arab Muslim fellows who, as Anwar Saddat put it, weep crocodile tears over them as they profit, either as Arafat did by stealing aid money, or as the oil sheiks do through the price of oil.
Stating that denying God's blessing is aggression and transgression is NOT calling for violence. It is merely a statement of fact.
So, you too believe that one's relatives are guilty of one's crimes?
Shurki:
If you can accept as fact something that cannot be supported with empirical evidence (that they, or anyone else, has God's blessing), generally engage in magical thinking and employ circular arguments, I can believe that most of the families of homicide bombers and other jihadis are aiders and abetters when I see so much evidence of the fact (e.g.: public exhortations, veneration, etc., captured from various Arab media outlets.)
Not all of us are as credulous and gullible as you are, but then we don't submit to Islam.
Cross:
The SOB had access to all of that credit through multiple fraudulent applications for credit. Doubtless he engaged in quite a bit of identity theft to do so.
Qur’an 4:171 “O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion; nor speak lies of Allah. The Messiah, Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease and Desist: (it is) better for you: for Allah is one Ilah (God). (Far it is removed from him of) having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. The Messiah is proud to be a slave of Allah, as are the angels, those nearest. Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant. He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer)…. He will punish with a painful doom; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or save them.”
Qur’an 5:77 “Say (Muhammad): ‘People of the Book, do not overstep the bounds in your religion, or follow the people who erred and led many astray. Cursed are the unbelievers among the Children of Israel by David and Jesus.... They do vile things, allying themselves with the infidels so that Allah’s indignation is upon them and in torment they will suffer for all eternity.” [Another translation reads:] “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”
NOW ASK YOURSELF WHAT THE CAIR TELL THE PRESS AND MOST PEOPLE WE HAVE RESPECT FOR THE CHRISTIANS WE BELIEVE IN JESUS TOO???
YEA THEY BELIVE HE WAS EVIL AND YOU ARE TO WORSHIP HIM ARE A PAGAN??
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
Answer is Arm yourself and buy lot's of ammo and learn to shoot and know who your neighbors are and who your neighbors who are armed are and remember all ammo does not fit all guns??
waterdragon52 - I have read reports that some Arabs in Israel (I won't call them 'Palestinians' as to do so before 1948 was a grave insult to the Muslims as it was synonymous with being a "Jew" - they took on this underdog tag after losing their war of aggression - the Romans called the Jews Palestinians after trashing Judea and Sumeria, the West bank in order to insult the Jews who were left), who have objected to what their offspring did in terms of slaying the infidels.
Unfortunately most are "arrested" and "tried" for treason (for aiding Israel), then executed. Sorry I meant to mention - if they get a Kangaroo Court Trial they are lucky - most are just executed.
Oh thanks for reminding me Geoff - Shukri, I am still waiting on my money that you are going to donate to the victims of homicide bombers. Hows the hunt for a nine year old sex goddess going Shukri???
3Xlucky:
I applaud you for being so sensitive and judicious in the application of the sobriquette "Palestinian", which was appropriated rather late in the game by people who were formerly content to be deemed Jordanian or whatever.
And yes, I'm aware of the truth behind the seemingly disproportionate losses on the Arab side, of supposedly of innocent civilians (ie. they weren't armed or otherwise strapped with explosives. Many were murdered for cooperating with Israel. Others were unfortuate enough to be located near one of the many hospitals and schools that serve as bomb factories, or travelling on an Israeli bus to or from work. Others still were guilty of being homosexual. And there are probably many examples of the 16 year old who was killed last summer by one of the usual three suspect Jihadi groups for trying to help his family clear a nest of missile launchers off of the family farm. Hamas had the typical gall to claim him as a martyr (but I think the jihadis were members of either Al-Aqsa or Islamic Jihad).
Please take time to e-mail stories like this to your State Congressmen and Senators. I have found it to be worth it. The Government doesn't hear or see us unless we show up in their office in the form of a phone call or an e-mail.
Otherwise, they have disconnected themselves from the American people. Please, hammer away at this by sending articles describing the ongoing terror and fraud related arrests of Muslims in America.
Chip away at the stone, which in this case are the rock solid melons sitting on top of the necks of our elected officials.
I'll restate the whole statement here:
Me: "Islam abhors those who do not believe, and this is reiterated numerous times throughout the Qur'an."
Shirki: "To deny and disbelieve in God, who has blessed us with all of the blessings that we take for granted, is the height of AGGRESSION and injustice. Those who believe in God will, in reality, always be superior to those who disbelieve."
You've said many times that islam permits violence in response to "aggression". Ergo, you support violence against those who merely fail to believe in your god - for "To deny and disbelieve in God, who has blessed us with all of the blessings that we take for granted, is the height of AGGRESSION" (your words). These are pleading arguments for violence.
"Stating that denying God's blessing is aggression and transgression is NOT calling for violence. It is merely a statement of fact."
And the fact is that islam tells it's followers to defend themselves against aggression - since the only thing distinguishing muslims from non-muslims is religion, then it is in the way of islam to harm those who commit this "aggression", this "height of aggression".
Me: Someone who pays off families of suicide bombers IS supporting terrorism.
Shirki: So, you too believe that one's relatives are guilty of one's crimes?
No, unlike you, I do not believe that, nor does anyone else here - other than your coreligionist, Brownfinger. Brownfinger has stated previously that the wives of those whom muslims make war on can be legally taken as slaves in islam. This would, in fact, be making one's family "guilty" of the crimes of their legal relatives. Since you do not post anything to the contrary regarding Brownfinger, nor any of your coreligionists on this site, I can only conclude that you support Brownfinger's position.
If you do not, your next posting will start with a refutation of Brownfinger's point. This would bring three charges against you to date, of which two have been proven: your innate acceptance of islamic violence, your support for paedophilia, and to which we would add the extension of guilt to associated family members for the "crime" of self-defense against islamic aggression. Don't let this happen to yourself, Shirki. And don't blame me for your own theological failings.
My point above actually - as you again fail to acknowledge - refers to the well-known practice of paying the families of shaheeds (so-called "martyrs") for their martyrdom. You already know this; as I know it too, it's curious that you raise it as a point of contention. And moreover, how would NOT giving the families of suicide murderers money for their actions be construed in any way as punishment? Explain, ideologue, if you can.
Imam Geoff
Lion of Man
Catherine,
"What is up with that libby guy why didn’t he kill him self isn’t like those bastards to lie say I will fight to the death but in the end give up or run away!!!"
What’s up indeed. These Islamic anti-US soldiers should be killed on the spot and not taken captive.
On a positive note though, I hope these killer captives like this coward are convinced to freely offer information.
Either way dead or alive, the New York (Duranty) Times will say they were tortured or murdered by US troops.
Does the NYT donate money to the ACLU? No matter the NYT will print positive reviews about the ACLU and CAIR anyway and will distort and print negative hateful lies about the military.
So we are to judge the family members of alleged criminals based on what we hear from the mass media?
Sorry, Geoff, you continue to misunderstand what I say. I said that defending yourself and your land, using violence(if necessary) to the extent needed, is obligatory in Islam. Whatever is aggressed upon by God, God, Majestic and Glorious be He, will defend himself.
Not so, my friend. Firstly, war is primarily defensive in Islam. Secondly, the intent behind taking the women captive is to take care of them and provide them with help and support. Do no imagine "slavery" here to mean the enslavement of Blacks as happened in pre-20'th century America.
More later...
Shirki,
Firstly, I am not your friend. You have made statements on this website that are beneath appaling; they border on evil. I am not your friend.
"So we are to judge the family members of alleged criminals based on what we hear from the mass media?"
No, we're to take the word of the exploded jihadis that they weren't. Jihadis, that is. Exploded, well, that's a bit harder to deny.
You again fail to explain what you mean by "judging" these families. If a terrorist organization gives them money for their sons or daughters being suicide murderers, how would not giving that money be "judging them"?
"Sorry, Geoff, you continue to misunderstand what I say."
Nope, got it down pat: you say that islam says that defence is okay; you say that not accepting Allah is "aggression" (your word). That means that not accepting Allah is aggression towards him, which means that non-muslims are the enemy of muslims. DO post on it again. In fact, I command you to do so; I love getting this point out to the readers of this site.
"Brownfinger has stated previously that the wives of those whom muslims make war on can be legally taken as slaves in islam. This would, in fact, be making one's family "guilty" of the crimes of their legal relatives."
"Not so...Firstly, war is primarily defensive in Islam."
LOL - I got you again, on a rebound, even. Oopsie! "War is PRIMARILY defensive in islam." Not "only" or "strictly" or even "almost completely". "PRIMARILY". Secondly, it must be about addressing insults to Allah, urine be upon him.
Honestly, how many more times can I win this argument? LOL. =D
"Secondly, the intent behind taking the women captive is to take care of them and provide them with help and support."
Noooo, actually it's about being women "taken by the right hand". Or did you forget that Mohammed ordered the rape of his female captives? I'm sure someone has a quote for that here. =)
"Do no imagine "slavery" here to mean the enslavement of Blacks"
Which slavery of blacks, the one in North America, or the one in the Middle East by muslims? And how would they be different? I've heard this point about 10x, but no one I've debated has EVER stopped to explain how it's different.
Geoff
Geoff:
"Noooo, actually it's about being women "taken by the right hand". Or did you forget that Mohammed ordered the rape of his female captives? I'm sure someone has a quote for that here. =)"
Here it is:
Qur'an 4:24 "Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess."
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm
"Slavery in Islam"
by Silas
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/slavery.htm
"Ibn Warraq writes: "Arabs were deeply involved in the vast network of slave trading - they scoured the slave markets of China, India, and Southeast Asia. There were Turkish slaves from Central Asia, slaves from the Byzantine Empire, white slave from Central and East Europe, and BLACK SLAVES FROM WEST AND EAST AFRICA. Every city in the Islamic world had its slave market."
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(The article is for anyone interested in further research on slavery in Islam.)
Freedom1 - thanks mate!
Say, doesn't Shirki owe you some money too? No, wait...you're a "Satan", like me - that's it.
Sign of the devil! Blaaa - blaaaaah - BLLAAAAAHHHHHH! Boo!
Heh,
Geoff
A 41-year-old Dead born businessman---
"Dead-born"- I like that, Shiva!
Shuggi is a dyed in the wool Jihadi, and it won't be long before he blows something up somewhere, wearing 3 pairs of underwear...
"Sorry, Geoff, you continue to misunderstand what I say. I said that defending yourself and your land, using violence(if necessary) to the extent needed, is obligatory in Islam. Whatever is aggressed upon by God, God, Majestic and Glorious be He, will defend himself."
Shuggi: Israel is defending herself with every right a nation can ever claim. Israel can & must, and should destroy the houses and all those who wage war against her..
Shuggi: Muzzies NEVER wage DEFENSIVE wars, they invented terror as warfare and that's what they do. You "defend" this kind of queer philosophy, but you don't score. Did Bin Laden "defend" Islam when he attacked the US?
I can believe that most of the families of homicide bombers and other jihadis are aiders and abetters when I see so much evidence of the fact (e.g.: public exhortations, veneration, etc., captured from various Arab media outlets.)
So we are to judge the family members of alleged criminals based on what we hear from the mass media?
Posted by: Shukri at May 5, 2005 07:56 PM
Shukri:
Read what I wrote -- Arab media, not Western "mass" media. That would include the Palestinian Authority's own TV outlet, among others. And there are many NGO monitoring organizations that verify the authenticity of both the feeds and the translations.
And how would they be different? I've heard this point about 10x, but no one I've debated has EVER stopped to explain how it's different.
Geoff? I've never owned a slave.
Have you ever owned a slave?
As far as I know - no American owns a slave.
Or have been kept in the dark?
It was Americans who fought - to end slavery - No?
Muslims LOVE to point at past sins of those who believed it to be their right to own a slave, and are all dead now.
They accuse others of they themselves worship:
009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Gina: Point taken!