Hamas Wins Big in PA Elections

Actually, I read this morning, either in the (Toronto) Globe & Mail or the Canadian Jewish News that Hamas is crying foul over the results which haven't been all that shabby for Fatah.

I have noticed how the international press is downplaying this story by saying how Hamas "only" won 33 percent.

Somehow, I don't find it comforting that an open terrorist organization like Hamas could win a third of the electorate with their first swing at bat. Not that their agenda is all that different from that of Fatah in the first place, however. Hamas is now firmly established as the PA opposition party, after only one minor vote.

The fact that the White House seems to think politicizing terrorist goals is a good idea, strikes me as the epitome of naivete.

To the best of my recollection, the German National Socialist Party never won over 40%.

Cordially,
Rebecca

Rebecca,

Why isnt that every thing that happens in the Muslim world you have to refer to Germany or the Nazis? If someone takes a crap will you argue how Hitler took a crap in the same fashion? You dont think it is a bit disingienuous of the memory of the War, the deaths, and the destrutcion of World War II and NAzi Germany to try and manipulate history just so you can satisfy your contemporary political agenda?

There is nothing going on today in the Muslim World that has anything to do with the Nazis, Hitlet, Germany or anything.

Perhaps if you new anything about the history of the world in that time you wouldnt so easily plug it into your arguments. What a disgrace.

'There is nothing going on today in the Muslim World that has anything to do with the Nazis, Hitlet, Germany or anything. '~ brownwonder.

brownwonder~ You missed a few things:

Grand Mufti (muslim) with Hitler:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

muslims marching with Hitler's armies:

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/NaziAllies.html

Neo-Nazis and muslims work together:

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/538

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/817

Al-queda / Neo-nazi connections:

http://www.middleeast.org/forum/fb-public/1/4320.shtml

...figure it out.

Gary:

You also missed out all the current efforts in the Muslim world to disseminate promote The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Mein Kampf and the cosy relationship that known Holocaust deniers like Ernst Zundel and neo-Nazis like David Duke have with various Muslim elements. And last week, didn't we read about the virulently antisemetic William Baker being a keynote speaker at a Muslim-sponsored gathering at a Marriott hotel in Florida.

Brownfinger -- I offer you my middle finger.

Brownfinger
There is nothing going on today in the Muslim World that has anything to do with the Nazis, Hitler,Germany or anything
no,Just carrying on the murderous tradition that influenced the Nazis.Such as striving for world dominance,hate for jews,genocide of all who thank different
The only difference I can find between the Nazis of yesterday and the Muzis of today is the Nazis had more brains than you Muzi have ever had.
Like the Nazis where crushed so will the Muzis should you continue there murderous agenda of hate against humanity
Also you seem to be unaware as to the link of Arafat-Mufti of Palestine-Nazi Germany

If someone takes a crap-----
A ha Brownfinger

You guys are so terrible. You guys keep refering to the same Mufti of Jerusalem and some neo - nazi being hosted by two Muslim organization. Is that all you guys have, it seems to me that you guys are grabbing at straws. On the one hand you argue Muslims arent supposed to befirend non- Muslim, then you say we are in alliance with Nazis.

Shiva, you being in India should know better.

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Mein Kampf and the cosy relationship that known Holocaust deniers like Ernst Zundel and neo-Nazis like David Duke have with various Muslim elements."

So this is the new Saudi funded Dawah? As a Muslim I reject all other religons and idealogies which include Nazism, captilism, democracy, communism.They are religion who have man as thier god. The Protocols or Mein Kamf, which contain kufr and shirk.Though I havent read it I assume that they do, especially the racial aspect of Nazism which rejects superiority on the basis of faith and good deeds in Islam.

"Just carrying on the murderous tradition that influenced the Nazis."

Who didnt the Muslims influence, so the hundreds of years of pogroms against the Jews in Europe, war in Europe, were all inspired by Islam? Wow, it is a shame that ISlam came and ruined the Judeo-Christian-Pagan Utopia that existed before her.

By the way, The Grand Mufti went so far away from home for recruits, why?

Shiva,
When Britian was occupying India, which has a huge Muslim population, did the Muslims fight against Britian? How will all those illiterate Muslim be reading The Protocols and Mein Kampf?

Well, "friends" means a great number of things, doesn't it? Someone can be a "friend" so long as they're useful without ever being a real friend - the whole concept of hudna is based on this. But your best counter-argument is about the definition of "friend"? Talk about racists grasping at straws! LOL

"You guys are so terrible."

Oh? Well, we're not racists. On the other hand, you are. Want me to post your statement? =D

"You guys keep refering to the same Mufti of Jerusalem and some neo - nazi being hosted by two Muslim organization."

Correct. But of course, there are more and stronger such contacts being revealed all the time. Hell, you probably believe that 9/11 was done by the Mossad.

"So this is the new Saudi funded Dawah?"

Gee, is it? You tell us, Wahhabi racist.

"As a Muslim I reject all other religons and idealogies which include Nazism, captilism, democracy, communism.They are religion who have man as thier god."

Sure, you just agree with their tenets. It's ok, racist, we understand.

"Wow, it is a shame that ISlam came and ruined the Judeo-Christian-Pagan Utopia that existed before her."

Oh, islam didn't 'ruin' anything. It just added new problems, and made ones that we almost had extirpated worse. That's ok, though. We'll just pick it up and start fixing it again.

"By the way, The Grand Mufti went so far away from home for recruits, why?"

Well, it's not as though he ignored the Middle East - he had quite a few recruits there as well, but he more wanted them to deal with the, ah, "Jewish problem" at home. The recruits he incited to express their hatred in Europe and the Balkans were intended to murder Jewish people THERE; his continual whine to Hitler, you racist, was to keep more Jewish people from emigrating to the Middle East.

"How will all those illiterate Muslim be reading The Protocols and Mein Kampf?"

Well, I'm sure they don't need to. If they're illiterate, just listening to their imam for a while will be inducement enough.

Instead, they should listen to me.

Imam Geoff

Does anyone know if Hitler claimed to belong to any main religion?

Just curious

During those times - it would have been difficult for him to openly claim Islam.

Beth~ it has been claimed that he was a staunch christian ( I am not About to honor that with a Capital C). He may have been born into a Christian family, but he not only was at the very least a total hypocrite about it, but he had his nazi researchers working to re-write the bible.

If he was such a good christian, what need was there to Change the very nature of the Bible?

In any case, he had a high degree of interest in the occult, as well.

Beth, Rublev posted a very interesting article about Hitler December 12, 2004 on the "Marines learn how to fight for allah" thread. He discovered "Hitler's Table Talks" and posted a long post about it.

Geoff,

I am not a racist. I am better than you and everyone else on this site before of my iman- faith.

If I said anything that was racist, my bad. Racism is a result of rejecting Islam and deciding that man's way is better.

"Sure, you just agree with their tenets. It's ok, racist, we understand."

What tenets do I believe in?

Well, Brownfinger, you called Carolyn a "stupid white girl". I imagine she saved that post. So, too late, moron. You're a racist. End of story.

Moreover, you are specifically NOT better than anyone else on the site, you are most certainly NOT better than me, and frankly you are not even the equal of any of the other posters here, with the possible exception of Shirki who also has some very sick beliefs. You, because of your radical beliefs and your racism, are below us all - so far below me, in fact, that I actually lower myself by speaking to you.

In your case at least, I wonder whether racism is a function of your faith, as it appears to be, misguided or not.

Geoff

Geoff,

As I have said in another post, I may have sounded like a bigot but not a racist. Racism is when you feel a race, yours, is superior or think anohter is inferior. I assumed she was white, so I called her a white girl, and she has demonstrated that she is quite dumb, so I put two and two togehter and got stupid white girl.

Why would you wonder wehter racism is a function of my faith? There are lots of racist christians and even more racism Jews, do you question wehter it is a function of thier faith? Probably now. The sacred cows will live another day.

Thank you Gary and Carolyn.

I intend to look at this furter - it is interesting - "The Table Talks" [never heard of them]

The table talk has Hitler saying such things such as: "Christianity is an invention of sick brains...," "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death."

Well - there is NO WAY Hitler was a Christian. That is obvious.

But - could he have been a 'closet Muslim' ?

His actions CERTAINLY fit the bill!

I have always trusted in the things that the Lord has taught me:

Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.

I have no doubt that Hitler was a 'Closet Muslim'

Beth,

Considering that Christians have a long history, perhaps inspired by Muslim, of killing Jews, Hitler does fit the bill of a Christian. However he may not fit the bill of Christianity with its loving everyone and everything in all, except until Armageddon, ofcourse.

"Geoff,

As I have said in another post, I may have sounded like a bigot but not a racist. Racism is when you feel a race, yours, is superior or think anohter is inferior. I assumed she was white, so I called her a white girl, and she has demonstrated that she is quite dumb, so I put two and two togehter and got stupid white girl."

What great islamic inventions can you name brown-piece-of -#^%@? Yes, you are quite superior, aren't you? So superior that you can't ride in the front seat of a car in SA. You can't drive as a matter of fact in a lot of islamic countries. You can't vote because you have a "deficient" brain. You can't leave the house without a man's permission or without being escorted by a man. Yes, that sounds really superior to western women. You get your superior ass beaten by your superior muslim man, and you like it. I like the way you think your civilization is superior to the west, go to ANY muslim country and what do you see? Primative conditions for the majority of the people. You use western technology and curse us at the same time. Oh well, I've wasted too much time on a totally irrelevant asshole, Skank.

"Somehow, I don't find it comforting that an open terrorist organization like Hamas could win a third of the electorate with their first swing at bat. Not that their agenda is all that different from that of Fatah in the first place, however."

Bear in mind that Hamas has a different domestic side than the terrorist one we see abroad - humanitarian aid and social programmes do produce notable benefits for Palestinians living in their areas so they were always assured of strong support.

Carolyn,

Learn to debate and dont have a tantrum. PMS is so last week.

"What great islamic inventions can you name brown-piece-of -#^%@?"

Islam doesnt invent anything. ITs a religion.

"Yes, you are quite superior, aren't you? So superior that you can't ride in the front seat of a car in SA."

Really, I didnt know that. Why is that because I am a woman. I think the Prophets wives had thier own camel so perhaps I can ride in the front seat of a car. Besides bedioun women in the empty quarters do drive. The idea of not letting women drive in SA is because whatever leads to a sin, is not permissible. So, the rulers of Saudi think that women driving may lead to sin and trails for the women, if they get into a car accident, they have to deal with the police, if their car breaks down they have to deal with men, etc. Its not a uniform rule in Islamic countries.

"You can't vote because you have a "deficient" brain."

I cant vote because voting isnt an Islamic practive. No Muslim, male of female should be voting. IT is an innovation.

"You can't leave the house without a man's permission or without being escorted by a man."

Actually I only need my husband permission to go out. It is best if I go with him, my son, my father, my paternal or maternal uncles.

"Yes, that sounds really superior to western women. You get your superior ass beaten by your superior muslim man, and you like it."

Have you been looking through my windows? Bad girl. I have a question, can you provide proof the Prophet Muhammed (sallalahu alaihi wa salam) beat his wives? I understand you will quote Surah An-Nisa 4:34, but the hadith talks about his life, in very great detail, so please try it. Muslims are to follow his example in most ways, that includes how to perform ablution for prayer and his behavior towards his wives and women folk.

"I like the way you think your civilization is superior to the west, go to ANY muslim country and what do you see?"

God doesnt judge civilization as they are a creation of man. He will judge me, by my works and you by yours. I will be judged more faithful, InshaAllah, because I keep his laws and his commandments. Will you dear?

"You use western technology and curse us at the same time. Oh well, I've wasted too much time on a totally irrelevant asshole, Skank."

Wow, I guess its that old time mysogyny rearing its ugly head. Calling me a skank? Why must you always tarnish up a woman's sexuality when trying to insult her? You are so Middle Eastern. LOL.

You know Muslims dont have a problem giving credit where credit is due. SO that is why, in the middle of the night we Muslim wake up from our sleep, while you are still rolling around in your bed snoring, passing gas, and sweating like a Floridian pig. We wash ourselves, and make a prayer called Tahajjud. Standing before our Lord in prayer. We praise and thank the One who created the heavens, the earth and all that is in between. WHile Western inventions are great, and convinient, it has nothing on the Sun, Moon, Stars, and the fact that I woke up this morning. All creations of Allah Azzawajal, and we thank him for it.

Sorry we havent gotten around to thanking the west or the people at Compaq or Sprint for our computers and cellular phones. My guess is that me paying my bills on time is thanks enough.

"I cant vote because voting isnt an Islamic practive. No Muslim, male of female should be voting. It is an innovation."

Malaysia? Indonesia? Both Muslim countries that vote. And what about Muslims living in Western countries who vote? They all seem to think that voting can be an Islamic practice...

Beth,

Considering that Christians have a long history, perhaps inspired by Muslim, of killing Jews, Hitler does fit the bill of a Christian. However he may not fit the bill of Christianity with its loving everyone and everything in all, except until Armageddon, ofcourse.

brownwonder - Can you present ANY New Testament Scriptures [a convenant that was given to this present world] that would justify the actions of Hitler?

This is VERY important - because - I can present MANY Koran writings that do.

Unitl you present the Scriptures that justify humans hurting each other - along with addressing certain Koran writings - you will never be able to justify ANY of your arguments.

The evidence is VERY clear brownwonder. You can continue to fool yourself - But is that REALLY what you want to do?

The blind will easily fall into a ditch

Beth,

I am convinved that you are functionally illeterate. But dont worry, I have been told that I am not much of a speller.

Doesn't matter what I am.

But what does matter - is the Truth.

I have never claimed to be a great writer - FAR FROM IT!

Does that make me stupid?

The way I see it - there are lots of professors who know how to put words together so elegantly - and yet - they void of wisdom.

Maybe God put me here so that at least any children reading these post can keep up.

I think that's a very good thing.

Maybe I spent too much time studying the Bible - and looking through the Koran along with watching the leaders of this world - that I had no time left - to learn how to 'talk the talk' that 'the wise men' of this world seem to think is so important.