The abuse rained down heavier than usual after I posted this last Monday. How dare I support the brutal Karimov regime? (I don't.) How dare I say that the people who are revolting in Uzbekistan are jihadists? They're just reacting to years of oppression. All right. But this just came in from AP (thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist). How to explain it? It is hard to get reliable information, but I suspect that jihadists are trying to co-opt the legitimate opposition to Karimov. That sort of thing has happened before.
May 18, 2005 - A Muslim rebel group claimed Wednesday it had seized control of a small Uzbek town on the border of Kyrgyzstan and vowed to build an Islamic state. Diplomats and U.N. officials toured a nearby city where government troops fired on demonstrators, reportedly killing hundreds.The leader of the rebel group, Bakhtiyor Rakhimov, said his forces controlled Korasuv, a town of 20,000, and were ready to fight any government troops that came to crush his rebellion. An AP reporter in Korasuv saw no sign of government officials in the town.
"The town is in the hands of people. People are tired of slavery," Rakhimov told The Associated Press while leaning down from the back of a horse. "We will be building an Islamic state here in accordance with the Quran."
The group claimed to have 5,000 militants.
The government of President Islam Karimov quickly shrugged off Rakhimov's claims.
"It's all sheer nonsense, everything is normal there," Uzbek Interior Minister Zakir Almatov said when asked whether the government would move against the insurgents in Korasuv....
Saw a guy on a horse yelling at the crowd about how stupid they were you should have seen the veins stickin out boy was he pissed!!!
as in Clevland when the people were destroying their own town for what a criminal???
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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
""The town is in the hands of people. People are tired of slavery," Rakhimov told The Associated Press while leaning down from the back of a horse. "We will be building an Islamic state here in accordance with the Quran."
Anyone else see the irony in that statement?
Out of the frying pan...
Even if the Karimov government had a wonderful reputation (which it doesn't), it only endorses Islam 'lite'.
That isn't the goal of Hizb Ut Tahrir.
If they set up a Shariah government the people haven't seen the BEGINNING of "slavery" yet.
They'll be wishing for a return of the KGB.
I don't expect you to agree with this, Mr. Spencer, but it seems to me that the LAST thing we want in an Islamic nation is democracy. Just imagine what (the people of) Pakistan would do if they were allowed to hold elections. They would probably elect a mullah on a platform of nuking India and Israel. They would probably elect Bin Laden if he ran for the office. This is one reason that I didn't support the campaign to oust Saddam Hussein.
WHEN the Shiite majority in Iraq votes in another Ayatollaship and implements Sharia, guess where all those "moderates" in Iraq are going to have to go to flee persecution? Hopefully they can all be sent to Texas.
WHAT WAS THE CITY
MALMO? AMSTERDAM, DETRIOT HAMTRACK MEMPHIS TAMPA ,
"the LAST thing we want in an Islamic nation is democracy."
Exactly. It is quite evident that the grass-roots will of the Muslim people is for anti-liberal, intolerant, inhumane, regressive Theocracy.
Geopolitically, we are forced to choose between
1) the naive expectation that a liberal secular democracy can take root in the Muslim world
or
2) supporting varying degrees of dictatorships who will be marginally secular and marginally pro-Western.
#1 will be far more impractical and dangerous than #2.
Even the grudging half-assed support against Islamic extremism we get from the Saudi, Pakistani and Egyptian leadership, is prererrable to the alternative: the rabidly anti-Western, theocratic will of the Muslim people.
As the people of Iran has surely learned, they did not exchange a tyrannical ruler for liberty, but just switched the s.o.b. in the Big Chair.
Until education hits, the choices are:
Our mad dog, who will not attack us.
Or:
An uncontrolled mad dog who will.
And, in this mess, we can only hope that the global insinuation of free information leaking into the Muslims subconscious everywhere can counteract the virulent jihadist propaganda coming over the same web.
Once enough of them see that you need not live like a terrorized serf under irrational mullahs, there may be a little light erupting from the murk of Islam. And calls for real freedom, not just a rotation of the crazy crop.
But, meanwhile, I'd advise to keep plinking tin cans off the fence post and learning tactical Arabic.
Here's a phrase all should know (phonetically):
"HAH-tet KAL-liff kam?" (How much will it cost?)
"we can only hope that the global insinuation of free information leaking into the Muslims subconscious everywhere can counteract the virulent jihadist propaganda coming over the same web"
That would be an imprudent and dangerous hope. The brainwashing of Islamic culture surrounding & permeating the hearts, minds, souls and bodies of Muslims is too profound and ancient for our counter-propaganda to have much effect. And don't expect our materialism and pop culture to wear down their puritanical pathology: the Muslim psyche simply absorbs our material culture via its schizophrenic parasitical appetite, and continues to hate us -- even more so, since the tentacles of our values are insinuating themselves into their orifices and tempting them, which only inflames their apocalyptically ascetic hatred all the more.
" They're just reacting to years of oppression."
How many times haven't we heard that? Also about the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, and of course, the Palestinian jihadis, and the Chechen child killers, and many more.
Of course they are. But what's their alternative to the existing opression? Peace, democracy, human rights and equality for all? And is random, brutal violence really necessary to resist political oppression?
Could these goodhearted and understanding Jihadi apologists explain why so many people have "reacted to years of oppression" by PEACEFUL non-violent demonstrations and eventually, democratic regime changes in Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Checkoslovakia, Slovenia, Chile, China, Myanmar, Taiwan, Brasilia... you name it?
Compare that to the violence, explained as inevitable in the fight "against oppression", or "for independence", in Algeria, Egypt, "Palestine", southern Thailand, Chechnya, Indonesia's Aceh, now Uzbekistan - is there anything except Islam to explain the difference?
Big Sleep:
Don't buy the propaganda that the Shah was a SOB. The Shah was a modern ruler, far better than Marcos in the Phillipines or any of those that are compared to him. He was a modern man who did his best to bring Iran into the modern world.
He failed. Thanks to peanut Carter who just didn't get it and never understood a f..@#*ng thing to this very day! The King of Afghanistan tried that also, and he had to flee from the prevailing Mohammedan madness.
Ataturk succeeded, temporarily. How long before Erdogan turns the 'secular Turkey'-which it never was in the first place-back into an Islamic hell-hole?