More Iraq Violence

Our Iraq jihad update comes from Reuters, "Nine dead in U.S. assault, blasts hit Baghdad"

BAGHDAD - The U.S. military said on Saturday nine of its troops were killed in an offensive against insurgents and foreign fighters in western Iraq, and guerrillas struck again in Baghdad, leaving at least five people dead.

Backed by air power, U.S. Marines, sailors and soldiers have been trying to root out guerrillas in the rebellious Anbar province to weaken an insurgency that has escalated attacks since a new Iraq government was announced April 28.

The assault, which entered its seventh day, is designed to root out guerrillas in one of their most active areas near the Syrian border.

Insurgents struck again in the capital when a suicide car bomber blew himself up next to an Iraqi police patrol in central Baghdad, killing at least four people, police sources said.

The blast echoed across central Baghdad and thick black smoke rose from burning vehicles in what has become a daily scene since Iraq announced a cabinet.

In a second attack, insurgents hurled grenades at a police convoy in western Baghdad, killing one policeman...

In the oil refining town of Baiji, a car bomb blast killed five Iraqis on Friday evening, police said.

Two policemen and two civilians were killed in clashes in the town of Samarra on Saturday, police Captain Hashem al-Sulami said...

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Once again off subject, but I felt I had to say something...

Mr President,

Ms Rices' statement on American respect for the most hateful religious book ever conceived has made me truly angry. To the Arab mind she is groveling before them as the representative of the most powerful nation in recorded history!

Ms Rices apology for one more Islamic lie is simply beyond belief! Without so much as a verification of the voracity of the claim, she grovels before the Arab world! Ms Rice owes an apology to the American people, and you do as well!

You apologize because you fear Islamic reaction, yet make no statement about the countless atrocities perpetrated in the name of Allah! How can you and your administration be such dhimmis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi ) that you would grovel before the Arab world!

Where in the military Code of Conduct does it say to uphold any document but the United States Constitution? Are we to revere the precepts of a religion that calls for the destruction of our way of life? Are you telling American servicemen to revere the Koran?

Mr President you are slowly giving our freedom away, just as European politicians are allowing the Islamization of Europe. Soon we will stand alone against an Islamic Europe bent on our destruction! France and Germany are merely the first of all European nations to submit to the demands of Islam. Soon even England will no longer be able to support America as the weight of Muslim opinion drives them into Dhimmitude.

Where is your vision, your leadership in this time of danger to America?

My children will live under Islamic law unless you put a stop to the endless concessions you make to our enemies. Yes, enemies of freedom, enemies of religious freedom, enemies of everything that is American!

Make no mistake here Mr President, all of Islam is our enemy, not a select few - all of Islam Mr President. In the last 1400 years Islam has destroyed freedom throughout the middle east, and they have designs on America that you refuse to recognize. The Arabs laugh at you, for you continue to practice Dhimmitude, even as the Muslim world proclaims death to America. Have you no dignity? Have you no respect for what we stand for?

I am absolutely disgusted with your demeaning of America by groveling before Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Indonesia, and every other Islamic nation!

I now regret voting for you and will do everything in my power to convince others that we need an American president who will preserve our way of life.

You have made Dhimmitude American foreign policy and in so doing emboldened all of Islam against us and endangered every American serviceman who has sworn to defend this country.

The key word here is alleged alegations, as in unproven and probably bullshit. Why should we apologize for something that never even happend?


Right on Billr...you said that really well, and reflects what a lot of thinking people are thinking. And you did it without quoting one Allahism...you too win the swami award for perpetual excellence...keep up the good work...

BillR are you referring to this statement:

"Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States," she said. "We honor the sacred books of all the world's great religions. Disrespect for the holy Koran is abhorrent to us all."

She said Americans "share and understand" the concerns of Muslims but added, "I am asking that all our friends around the world reject incitement to violence by those who would mischaracterize our intentions."

.................................................

God Bless America.

I respect the American Government for sending this message out to the World. The US is a good example to the whole World, the US is a country that is tolerant and also very considerate.

God Bless America.


Yeah IA...too bad there is so much BS wrapped up in it...you respect the American gov of caving in to BS...well, fortunatly for the American people, the gov is not the people, and it's policys are not always the policys of the majority. Often the gov is dead wrong and this kiss ass attitude is one of those times...

"Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States," she said. "We honor the sacred books of all the world's great religions. Disrespect for the holy Koran is abhorrent to us all."

What is wrong with this statement???

Good-on-ya BillR. Well said and about time. Our societies in the West, are based on disrespect of dogma of any sort, be it religious or otherwise. That is how the various Reformations came about.

"My children will live under Islamic law unless you put a stop to the endless concessions you make to our enemies. Yes, enemies of freedom, enemies of religious freedom, enemies of everything that is American!"

Are you being serious! Who will enforce Islamic law on the US! you are losing the plot old chap!

"Make no mistake here Mr President, all of Islam is our enemy, not a select few - all of Islam Mr President. In the last 1400 years Islam has destroyed freedom throughout the middle east, and they have designs on America that you refuse to recognize. The Arabs laugh at you, for you continue to practice Dhimmitude, even as the Muslim world proclaims death to America. Have you no dignity? Have you no respect for what we stand for?"

So Islam is the enemy of the West!!! You really are insane. What about the Muslims born in the West what about us. I love Britain, you extremist views are appalling.

"I am absolutely disgusted with your demeaning of America by groveling before Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Indonesia, and every other Islamic nation!"

Rice:
"Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States," she said. "We honor the sacred books of all the world's great religions. Disrespect for the holy Koran is abhorrent to us all."

You call this grovelling, the World calls this tolerance and justice. Its a shame that your distorted views of the World have cause you to spew out such deep and intense hatred.

I feel sorry for you.

ia - you are full of BS. You say BillR is intolerant and extremist, you of all people say this?

You ia, approve of sex with 9 year old girls, and you have the hide to call BillR extremist?

ia - go to Saudi Arabia or Iran and fight extremism over there. Because if you don't, the "extremism" that is growing in the west agianst Islam will come back to haunt you.

Be a man ia - the Muslims in the ME are your fellow Muslims. Go and defend them, for the sake of us all. Enlighten them to their folly, before WW3 really erupts. Or are you just "all mouth", in other words a coward who haunts JW simply to attack infidels who disagree with you?

"Be a man ia - the Muslims in the ME are your fellow Muslims. Go and defend them, for the sake of us all. Enlighten them to their folly, before WW3 really erupts. Or are you just "all mouth", in other words a coward who haunts JW simply to attack infidels who disagree with you?"

I am defending the Muslims from extremists, the people here need to do the same. We need to build bridges and come closer together. We need to make distinctions.

WW3, what do you mean by that, Islam versus the rest of the World, that is ridiculous and you know it.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/mar2005/iran-m02.shtml

Despite US pressure, Russia signs nuclear fuel deal with Iran

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/31/content_387140.htm

China, Iran sign biggest oil & gas deal ($70 Billion)

http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4496273.stm

"Russian President Vladimir Putin has offered a range of assistance to the Palestinians after talks in Ramallah.
He offered to help re-build Gaza's economy, train security services and sell helicopters to the Palestinians."

What World War 3, you are losing it old chap.

"the World calls this tolerance and justice"

ia - where is the tolerance and justice in any Muslim country of minorities? Especially in the ME - the heart and soul of Islam?

We infidels in the West do not want to end up living like those poor infidels in Muslim Iran, Egypt, the stolen Jewish lands of "Palestine", Syria, Afghanistan etc. There is no tolerance in these "peace loving" countries.

IA - as a true Muslim you should be going over to these countries and preaching tolerance towards the Jew, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu etc. Don't worry, its forbidden in the Koran for one Muslim to kill another. Go on ia - DO IT, help avert WW3. Show us all here on JW that you aren't just full of it, while at the same time enlightening your fellow Muslims to the intolerance that exists in their countries.

In fact a good time to do it would be at Mecca during Ramadan. Stand at the entrance to the Black Stone you all face to worship - and proclaim with a loud speaker the intolerance’s of the Islamic world and how they have it wrong. Muslims from all over the world will hear you. Besides you would also be fulfilling pilgrimage. If you can't afford it - I'm sure many posters here at JW would donate.

Be a man ia - stand up for what you believe in - do it. The peace loving people won't hurt you - its forbidden.

When does seperation of church and state come into play? when convenient for big brother thats when.

I dont cair one 1 iowta about they're book but our elected seem to care more about it than they do with the Holy Bible here in hometown USA, we are not at war with muslims..."we are at war with the people who hijacked the Koran" and they are a large bunch.

BillR....Great letter and I am disturbed by the comments well.

"the people here need to do the same" - your a coward and you know it.

Fine then prove otherwise - stand outside some of your extremist Mosques in Britian - I'm sure some posters here can suggest a few - and proclaim the truth - that Muslims are to tolerate Jews etc. Again do it during Ramadan when attentances will be high.

Do so that all can hear - video tape it and send it in to JW - just to show all here that you are not full of S#$%!

ia - there are two types of Muslims. Both are at war with the West.

1st you hane the Radical Muslims - the Bin Ladens of the world.

2nd you have the evolutionary Muslims - Muslims like you, who will use the democractic system to Islamisise "their" country.

Both have the same goal. The destruction of the freedoms of the West.

ia - I'm glad your're happy that Iran is on the verge of getting nukes. If you are in Britan - you will be nuked when Iran deals with "The Great Satan" and her allies.

As you won't die in Jihad - well looks like you miss out on all those 9yo virgins!

"We infidels in the West do not want to end up living like those poor infidels in Muslim Iran, Egypt, the stolen Jewish lands of "Palestine", Syria, Afghanistan etc. There is no tolerance in these "peace loving" countries."

I live in the West, I am a Brit. I know there are fanatical Muslims that bash the West, however I know about the West. I know that the people here are kind, helpful and tolerant. Everything that I have achieved is because of the UK and the people here, I appreciate this fully and I will give the West back what it gave me, I will return love with love.

I quoted something that Ms. Rise said, what is it that you find so bad about the statement.
"Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States," she said. "We honor the sacred books of all the world's great religions. Disrespect for the holy Koran is abhorrent to us all."

You keep saying you don't want to live under a land with Islamic Law, who is going to force Islamic Law on the US, you know it cracks me up every time you say that. Who is going to force you to convert, tell me.

"WW3, what do you mean by that, Islam versus the rest of the World, that is ridiculous and you know it" - ia

So you know what I'm thinking do you? You are full of it. Actually you're a (try hard) "Brit" - Why don't you do a bit of research on what Winston Churchill said about Islam? Or is he just 'rediculous' as well?

"ia - there are two types of Muslims. Both are at war with the West.

1st you hane the Radical Muslims - the Bin Ladens of the world.

2nd you have the evolutionary Muslims - Muslims like you, who will use the democractic system to Islamisise "their" country.

Both have the same goal. The destruction of the freedoms of the West."

I am not at war with the West, I don't know any Muslims in the UK that have declared war against the West. Yes I do hate those that are extremists, they are zealots that know little about Islam.

How is it possible for me to use democracy to Islamisise the UK, tell me. There are many Muslims in the UK, now my Sheikh has stated that if you are not happy with the laws here, leave. Its that simple.

"WW3, what do you mean by that, Islam versus the rest of the World, that is ridiculous and you know it" - ia

"So you know what I'm thinking do you? You are full of it. Actually you're a (try hard) "Brit" - Why don't you do a bit of research on what Winston Churchill said about Islam? Or is he just 'rediculous' as well?"

I'm a try hard Brit, what the is that supposed to mean???

World War 3, I've heard it before the World versus Islam. Come on, that is so ludicrous its funny. Read my earlier post. If Islam is such a threat why did France, Germany, Russia and China not support the War. Why has China signed a massive ($70 Billion) deal with Iran after the Iraq war. Why does Russia support the Iranians, the Syrians and the Palestinians. Why does France and Germany want the EU to counter the US. You are not looking at the bigger picture. Why has no European country sent troops to help the US in Iraq???

ia - NZ Islamic population barley numbered 6000 a few years back. Now its well into the 30,000. This is happening all over the West.

Obviously you are not good at maths or extrapolating figures.

Again - show you're a man - and carry on outside of some of your Mosques - saying the things you do here - to your fellow Muslims. Tape it.

"Who is going to force you to convert, tell me."

Oh I don't know ia? The same people who came into my Mother in Laws village in Malaysia when she was a child, and at the point of a gun said, "convert or else"? Or maybe just some person who believes in the Koran? Or maybe some Muslim extremists who were never stopped by so called "liberal" Muslims like you - because you spent all your time debating infidels at JW?

Maybe it will be the same Koran believing people who are chopping the heads off preachers in Indonesia who are also attached to my church. Maybe it will be the same Muslims who are seeking to have Daniel Scot thrown in jail in Australia for exercising his freedom of speech.

You say you speak out about extremists - you aren't doing a very good job. You are nothing but a wolf in sheeps clothing - or a lame duck.

Take up the challenge ia - go to a Mosque and stand outside it - and condem the intolerances of the ME by Muslims.

"If Islam is such a threat why did France, Germany, Russia and China not support the War".

They get their oil from the ME. Don't have to be Einstein to work that one out (sorry for mentioning that Jews name).

The US gets most of her oil from Sth America and from home, and a smaller amount from the ME.

If you haven't noticed - Europe hates America.

"Try hard" Brit - just that. You're Koran is contrary to everything than Britian stands for. Its like the Prince wearing the swastika, or proclaiming Mein Kampf. That what! Its like the Muslims who sided with the Nazi's in WW2 - "birds of a feather....."

Besides - if you were really a Brit - concerned for freedom - you'd be outside the Mosque proclaiming the intolerances of Islam in the ME and how they "have it wrong" wouldn't you?

"ia - NZ Islamic population barley numbered 6000 a few years back. Now its well into the 30,000. This is happening all over the West."

Are you talking about immigration, that is another issue. Regarding conversion rates, well anyone in the World is free to accept Islam. There are many White Muslims in the UK, what do you think of them??

"Again - show you're a man - and carry on outside of some of your Mosques - saying the things you do here - to your fellow Muslims. Tape it."

I tell all my friends the same things that I tell you people. The majority of the Mosques in the UK preach moderately. Those that don't Omar Bakri, Abu Hamza are exposed and publicly humiliated by Muslims. We moderates are doing a good job of exposing the fanatics, we do this because we oppose terrorism and extremism. The people here should be supporting the moderates.

There are Muslim organisations in the UK that oppose extremism and these are supported by the Government, this is the way forward. We need to build bridges.

ia - Ms Rice wouldn't know her mouth from her bum - or what comes out of either.

Like most politians today, they are liars, and they are protecting their personal multi million dollar businesses. Ever seen how many pollies make their money via ME interests? On BOTH sides of parliment? Ever bothered to look at how many public servants make their money off protecting "Multi-culturalism"?

In answer to the above ia - money talks, and some of us have sold our souls to the devil via Dhimmhi.

How about infiltrating and providing intelligence?

Moose

I recommend you watch the Power of Nightmares, it was a documentary shown on the BBC, it made everything clear.


Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power
by Thom Hartmann

What if there really was no need for much - or even most - of the Cold War? What if, in fact, the Cold War had been kept alive for two decades based on phony WMD threats?
What if, similarly, the War On Terror was largely a scam, and the administration was hyping it to seem larger-than-life? What if our "enemy" represented a real but relatively small threat posed by rogue and criminal groups well outside the mainstream of Islam? What if that hype was done largely to enhance the power, electability, and stature of George W. Bush and Tony Blair?

And what if the world was to discover the most shocking dimensions of these twin deceits - that the same men promulgated them in the 1970s and today?

It happened.

The myth-shattering event took place in England the first three weeks of October, when the BBC aired a three-hour documentary written and produced by Adam Curtis, titled "The Power of Nightmares." If the emails and phone calls many of us in the US received from friends in the UK - and debate in the pages of publications like The Guardian are any indicator, this was a seismic event, one that may have even provoked a hasty meeting between Blair and Bush a few weeks later.

I can provide a link for you so that you can watch it.

www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm

Theres part 1

"I tell all my friends the same things that I tell you people. The majority of the Mosques in the UK preach moderately"

No be a man ia - you seem passionate enough here behind the Monitor - preach it publicly - what are you afraid of? You're a Muslim - they can't kill you, or they will go to hell. Tell your Muslims brothers - not just fellow "moderates" or your infidel friends (say the Koran says not to befriend infidels - Allah guideth not the wrong doer and they are friends of one another)

Like I told Thomas - until the Koran is re written there will be continual violence. Not that you'd agree with that - after all, I believe you approve of sex with 9 year olds, like Shukri (correct me if I'm wrong!).

"Those that don't Omar Bakri, Abu Hamza are exposed and publicly humiliated by Muslims"

I'm yet to see marches in the street in the same numbers as Muslims did to oppose the war on terror in Iraq. Why is that? Because YOU ARE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB of speaking out. Come on - how hard could it be to organize a big, massive rally of Muslims to denounce terror and the Middle eastern intolerance’s, demanding Freedom of Religion for all? I mean ia, according to the likes of you, you are in "the majority" and the terrorists are the "minority". Lets see that rally - lets make it a regular occurrence until the extremists see the light.

A good start would be outside the Mosques with a loud speaker - face them directly. Are you not sick of the hate that these extremists cause on both sides ia, that no doubt affects you? Come on - do it for Allah. Show the world he is a god of "peace", tape it for all at JW to see!.

And no - indiscriminate immigration IS part of the problem. Where do you think those "extremist" preachers come from ia?

Bill - I liked it so much

I created a page [but not without my 2 cents added]

I bookmarked this jihadwatch page - just incase you don't approve

Under the 'World News' section - on the link called "A Nation in Trouble" is where it can be found:

http://palestinename.com/testimony.htm

GREAT POST!

ia - yea right the bastion of truth - the BBC. In light of the BBC, all I can say is THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET!!!

ia - go have a look at how many BBC are either Muslims, or married to Muslims. Not that that would worry you, but as an infidel it worries me. Besides - that BBC crap soesn't address the issue of HATE coming out of MUSLIM mosques. ia - Britian needs you - get that speaker phone organise a rally and denounce the HATE. We are waiting.

ia - come to think of it, there is something wrong with my eyesight, every time I look at the NY skyline the towers are gone! Jewish conspriacy no doubt.

Oh yes - if you do approve - and would like to add anything - post it here.

"A good start would be outside the Mosques with a loud speaker - face them directly. Are you not sick of the hate that these extremists cause on both sides ia, that no doubt affects you? Come on - do it for Allah. Show the world he is a god of "peace", tape it for all at JW to see!."

I don't know of any extremist Mosques in my area, they have all been dealt with, extremism is being fought. Believe me. With the help of the Government and Good Muslims, true Islam will destroy the fanatics.

Hi Beth I remember we were discussing Jesus. Would you like to carry on.

ia786,

"Hi Beth I remember we were discussing Jesus. Would you like to carry on."

The topic of this thread is, "More Iraq Violence," not "Muslim Attempts To Convert Christian."

It appears that you never are on topic while you approach these threads as your own.

ia786,

"Hi Beth I remember we were discussing Jesus. Would you like to carry on."

The topic of this thread is, "More Iraq Violence," not "Muslim Attempts To Convert Christian."

I am not trying to convert anyone. By the way did you read the first post on this thread? You should be making a fuss about that old chap.

I'm off people. Talk to you soon.

Take Care ^_^

"I don't know of any extremist Mosques in my area, they have all been dealt with, extremism is being fought. Believe me". ia -

You can spit from one end of Britian to the other - its tiny in geographical size. Go preach outside the Mosques ia. If my religion and country was threatend I'd be publically speaking up (as I do). Be a man - speak up ia. We are waiting, no excuses please.

Like I said - you are a coward and a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Duck, weave, don't address the issue - just look all pious and hope to win converts. Why not address my issue with terrorism ia, intead of trying to convert Beth?

I expected nothing less from you ia. Label people intolerant, racist etc when you can't win a proper debate. Then when all else fails and your bluf has been called, divert and duck - go to another issue.

I'm off to practice my target shooting ia, I will be thinking of your "peaceful" religion.

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I made some major adjustments [refresh the page - if you already visited:

http://palestinename.com/testimony.htm

ia786,

"Hi Beth I remember we were discussing Jesus. Would you like to carry on."

Yes I remember.

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lols [that's cute]

If my religion and country was threatend I'd be publically speaking up (as I do).

3rdtimelucky

AMEN!!!! to Australia

Desecration of the quran is Free Speech - and Free Speech trumps muslim sensibilities hands down. Personally, I think we should all own a warehouse full of holy quran toilet paper.

We should use it several times every day.

Almost forgot: No muslims. No mosques.

I still say - No Mosques - No Muslims

Smile Havoc

"Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States," she said. "We honor the sacred books of all the world's great religions. Disrespect for the holy Koran is abhorrent to us all"

That's a load of bollocks. The truth is more like the koran is abhorrent to us all.

I remember paging through a koran at my high school, 10 years before 9/11, and finding the pages stained with chewing tobacco expectorate!

The irony is that those stains paled in comparission to the filth written on the pages.

I remember paging through a koran at my high school, 10 years before 9/11, and finding the pages stained with chewing tobacco expectorate!

The irony is that those stains paled in comparission

'''''to the filth written on the pages''''

Belisarius - REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I read in 93 - just to see what all this "Islam of peace" preaching was about.

I was STUNNED - literally STUNNED - for about a week!

The thing that was so shocking - was that so many bow to it.

And I had to keep telling myself - "No - this is not a movie - thie is real"


Power of Nightmares...another conspiracy theory propaghanda film no doubt...shades of Michael Moore...Now IA wants us to go to the mooooovies, cause mooooovies make everything so clear...hahahaha what a chump...


What is there in or about the Quran that anyone other than a psychotic muslim would respect? Do we respect that Allah wants us all in the hellfire , wants to force feed us boiling water, burn our skins off and continually replace them for new ones , so he can burn them off again??? Is this what we are supposed to respect? We respect being tied to a rotissery and roasted? And for what? Un-believership or at the whim of Allah...Dont know about you folks, but I respect that a lot...thats why I carry a jar of holy water and a big stick...

Alarm! Listen up you all:

The History channel is currently running a reportage on Saudi Arabia. Among other Saudi fat- cats the reporter interviews Prince Turki:

Prince Turki calls 9/11 a 'TRAVESTY'-

NOW LET THE RIOTS BEGIN!!! The first time I thought I didn't hear right. The Dhimmi reporter didn't ask. Then it came again:

The 9/11 'TRAVESTY'- with a big grin on his face!


Nuke the bastards!!!!!! NUKE THE BASTARDS NOWWW!!!!

Bill R: I couldn't agree more about Rice's comments re the "Holy Koran." I agree with her that Christians shouldn't intentionally disparage or denigrate what someone else holds to be holy, but I see no reason why we, or the US gov't, should label the Koran as "holy." Her combination of those words really bothered me. She could have said, simply, the US doesn't condone disparaging religious beliefs or relgious items.

By the way, I saw Kingdom of Heaven tonight. I was torn whether to support it or not, but decided to go just for the blood. The battle scenes were great and the military accuracy pretty right on. But Orlando can't pull off the gravitas needed for his role, and it was clearly a pro-Muslim slanted -- at least -- view of the Crusades. All the Christians are either madmen bent on war, or agnostic goody-two-shoes. Anyway, I give it half a thumb up for the warfare scenes.

Asian Times points the blame for the Koran riots, on the extreme anti-democracy movement, Hizb-ut-Tahrir.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/GE14Ag01.html

Once again, State Department inclusivism has ensured that university based Muslims, subsidized by American taxpayers, work against American interests. Bush-Rice might as well hand deliver millions of dollars to the Hizbis. As much as they despise those of us who challenge the murder-cult, they indulge the same savages who would abolish liberty. I don't make it a habit of placing long posts here, but I make the following exception:

Balochistan Post
Thursday, November 07, 2002
An advice to Mutahida Majlis-e-Ammal
By Hizb-at-Tahrir

It is quite clear from the election results that the Ummah wants the implementation of Islam and liberation from the American Raj. In the light of the Shari'ah rules, as derived from the Seerah of the Prophet (sallAllaho alayhi wa sallam), we understand that the implementation of the Islamic system is not possible through democracy. The bitter experience of the Islamic parties of Turkey and Algeria demonstrates the same point. Legislation in a democratic system requires a 51% majority, a condition which contradicts the Islamic ruling system. Making the acceptance by the majority of the people, or their representatives, a necessary condition for implementing the commandments of Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) and His Messenger (sallAllaho alayhi wa sallam) is in reality snatching sovereignty from the hands of Allah and passing it on to man. However, Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) has not given man any right to make law.

"It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman, that when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, to have any option about their decision." [Qur'an Al-Ahzab 33:36]

In reality, the biggest obstacle to the implementation of Islam in Pakistan over the past fifty years has been the democratic principle of majority approval as a condition for law. And today this condition will be an obstacle in your way. In the Islamic ruling system, the Khilafah, the responsibility of the Khaleefah is only to implement the laws of Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala). For this, the Khaleefah neither needs the approval of the majority of the Majlis-e-Ummah nor any other type of ratification. Instead of becoming a part of this system by participating in the polling process, you should account the rulers and pressurise them to leave democracy and re-establish the Khilafah. And it is this Khilafah which will call the Islamic Ummah to enter under its authority so that the Muslims can once again run their affairs under a single leader.

In a system of vested interests such as democracy, principles are sacrificed through sugar-coated terms like "compromise", "flexibility", "adjustment" and "national interest". You were only selected so as to look after the Ummah's affairs by Islam and liberating the Muslims from the American Raj. So, any kind of compromise, flexibility or deviation from these principles would amount to treachery against the Ummah. We hope that you, as those who aspire to uphold Islamic politics, will avoid any kind of compromise of the principles of Islam. Therefore, whether the issue is US bases and FBI offices on Pakistani soil; or interest (riba) and submission to the IMF and World Bank; or corporate farming and privatisation of oil, gas and minerals; or the change of the educational curriculum and the selling off of health and education sector - your responsibility is to raise your voice against all such issues and to stop the rulers from taking steps that are anti-Ummah and anti-Islam. You should only demand the comprehensive, complete and immediate implementation of Islam. This is because Islam is a complete, whole and integrated system and so Islam can neither properly function in a gradual way and nor can it be implemented in parts. And although gradual or partial implementation of Islam seems better than nothing, Islam has totally rejected this compromise. The Messenger of Allah (sallAllaho alayhi wa sallam) rejected the offers of ruling made by Qur'aysh and other Arab tribes because they made the compromise of Islam a condition. This was even though at that time Muslims were subjugated to kafir oppression and the offer seemed far better than nothing. Also, the Qur'an strictly commands the complete implementation of Islam and warns us of torment and chastisement if we are seduced into leaving any part of Islam by following people's desires.

"And rule between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their vain desires, but beware of them lest they seduce you from part of what Allah has revealed to you." [Qur'an Al-Maidah 5:48]. And the Qur'an has strictly forbidden the partial implementation of Islam and compromising its integrity.

"Do you believe in a part of the Book and reject the rest? What else, then should be the retribution of those among you who do this than that they should live in degradation in the present life, and that on the Day of Resurrection they should be sent to the severest chastisement?" [Qur'an Al-Baqarah 2:85]

We pray that you are able to fulfil the responsibility of looking after the Ummah's affairs that you have been burdened with. And that you may be able to proudly declare before Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) in the Hereafter that you never compromised the principles and laws of Islam, neither to seek the pleasure of America and other kafir powers nor for worldly gains and recognition. Furthermore, we call upon you to adopt the method of Prophet Muhammad (sallAllaho alayhi wa sallam) to re-establish the Khilafah. This is the method by which the Messenger of Allah (sallAllaho alayhi wa sallam) successfully established the first Islamic State in Madinah. We pray to Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) that He may use us all to re-establish the Khilafah which will unify the Ummah once again and restore the Ummah to its rightful position as a witness over all of humankind. Ameen!

Terminator,
Matt Welch was on the blog A-list until he began noticing the Saudi suck-up list, and its White House principals. Then the links stopped. The following article isn't politically correct.

National Post
August 24, 2002
Shilling for the House of Saud
Matt Welch

LOS ANGELES - It has been another dreadful month for United States-Saudi Arabia relations. On Aug. 6, word leaked out that senior Defence Department officials had been recently advised by Laurent Murawiec of the Rand Corporation that "Saudis are active at every level of the terror chain," and represent "the kernel of evil, the prime mover [and] the most dangerous opponent" in the Middle East (as opposed to, say, Iraq).

Nine days later, 600 relatives of Sept. 11 victims filed a US$1-trillion federal lawsuit against various Saudi princes, charities and banks, claiming they helped fund Osama Bin Laden and the World Trade Center massacre.

This past week, more than 100 Saudi scholars issued a joint statement saying Israel and the United States were part of an "axis of evil." Then, on Wednesday, the Financial Times reported Saudis had withdrawn US$100-billion to US$200-billion worth of investment from the United States in the past year, in large part because of growing political tensions.

With each deteriorating week, as in the 49 previous weeks, a curious cadre of Americans has stood up to defend the oppressive House of Saud against its critics in the democratic United States. No, it is not the academic multiculturalists, or the effete bi-coastal elites -- still favourite whipping boys, nearly a year later, of those agitating for the next U.S. war.

The real apologists have far more influence and access to power than all that, earned through decades of high-profile government employment. They are the former U.S. ambassadors to Saudi Arabia, and they have carved out a fine living insulting their own countrymen while shilling for one of the most corrupt regimes on Earth.
The morning after The Washington Post revealed the "kernel of evil" briefing, ex-Saudi ambassador Walter Cutler (who served two separate terms in Riyadh) and former deputy chief of mission Edward "Ned" Walker (who has also been ambassador to Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Israel) tag-teamed on National Public Radio's Talk of the Nation program to swat down the latest Saudi-bashing.

Cutler, president of the non-profit Meridian International Center -- of which Saudis have been "very supportive" financially, he told The Washington Post in February -- said: "I don't think this is the time to reassess the basics of the relationship.... They have been very sensitive about appearing to be too beholden to the great power, and this is for domestic reasons, which I think are understandable."
Walker, the president of the Middle East Institute, which he told The Washington Post received $200,000 of its US$1.5-million budget last year from Saudi donors, was also understanding. "I don't think you can condemn an entire people for the acts of a few citizens," he said. "By no means is Saudi [Arabia] necessarily the worst when you start looking around the world."

When a caller expressed frustration at the yawning gap between President George W. Bush's rhetoric about "truth and justice" and the Saudi government's "dictatorial" record, Walker chose to look on the bright side: "I spoke to a senior Saudi prince the other day, and he was talking about this very problem, something that the senior members of the family understand. And he said that he would be willing to bet that within 10 years, they will have free elections in Saudi Arabia. That's a pretty profound statement for somebody in the ruling family."

What might be even more profound is the path by which a life-long member of the U.S. diplomatic corps could come to find it impressive that the earliest a totalitarian government could even ponder free elections would be a decade from now. A clue into that journey can be found in the phrase, "I spoke to a senior Saudi prince."

U.S. ambassadors, current and former, are forever gleaning their primary information from the ever-growing ranks of Saudi princes (at least 6,000 at last count), who dominate the government and elite business class. That is in large part because many Saudi princes speak English, while U.S. ambassadors, at the direct behest of the House of Saud, do not speak Arabic. (New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman reported last October that King Fahd had persuaded former U.S. president Ronald Reagan in 1988 to withdraw his recently appointed Arabic-speaking ambassador, Hume Horan, and that "ever since then, we've been sending non-Arabic-speaking ambassadors to Riyadh -- mostly presidential cronies who knew exactly how to penetrate the White House but didn't have a clue how to penetrate Saudi Arabia.")

When you do not speak Arabic, and your movements are curtailed (U.S. diplomats are forbidden to visit Mecca, for example, even if they happen to be Muslim), it is inevitable that you would begin seeing Saudi conditions and even Mideast politics through the eyes of the only people you can communicate with. Foreign service veterans know the condition of "clientitis" can affect diplomats in any post, let alone one with such a bizarre combination of oil-interest realpolitik, close historic ties and a formal chasm between the rulers and the ruled.

By all accounts, the smartest of the princes are a worldly and self-aware bunch, winking and nudging about all that strict Islamic stuff they broadcast to their subjects, while enjoying the more secular debaucheries to be found in such places as Miami, New York and Las Vegas. Surely, many are capable of smart talk about geopolitics into the wee hours.

Still, it is jarring to observe how closely the ex-ambassadorial rap about Crown Prince Abdullah resembles a slightly more dignified and coherent version of Dennis Hopper's sycophantic character in Apocalypse Now, describing the great and terrible Colonel Kurtz to Martin Sheen's Willard. "[Prince Abdullah's] unhappiness with Israeli treatment of the Palestinians, and now his real anguish over the humanitarian crisis they face, is very clear every time I speak with him," Richard Murphy, ambassador from 1981-1983, told the Christian Science Monitor on April 29.
"Anybody who thinks the Saudi Crown Prince plays brinkmanship seriously misjudges him," Ned Walker warned the British weekly The Spectator after Bush met with Abdullah on April 25. Three weeks earlier, Walker had told The Baltimore Sun: "They may be misjudging Crown Prince Abdullah.... He's stared down secretaries of state in the past."
If you closed your eyes, you would think the person talking held a Saudi passport. "One of the things that the Crown Prince had been nervous about and concerned about for some time was that he wasn't getting his message through to the President," Walker told CNN on April 25. "He started some six months ago to warn the President about the impact on U.S. relations in the region if we didn't do something about the Israeli issue and the Palestinian problem. This message, hopefully, the President got and the President reassured the Crown Prince. That will help a lot."
Like Walker, Cutler and Murphy, former Saudi ambassadors Wyche Fowler (1996-2001) and Charles "Chas" Freeman (1989-1992) can be counted on to deliver quotes consistent with Saudi foreign policy -- opposed to invading Iraq, unequivocally impressed by the "Saudi Peace Plan," hostile toward Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and the "Israeli lobby" in Washington, more sympathetic toward Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians than the Bush administration, and insistent that the Israel/Palestine conflict is the root cause of much of the Arab world's unrest. What is more surprising is how they cross the line into defending the indefensible.

When Richard Murphy, who is a Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and an advisory committee member for a new billion-dollar Saudi-dominated Islamic bank in Bahrain, was asked at a May 22 House of Representatives hearing about an article written by the Saudi ambassador to England about George Bush's "Freudian problems," he made sure to mention "this man considers himself an outstanding satirist." Murphy has also defended Saudi Arabia's donations to the families of suicide bombers. When CNN's Wolf Blitzer asked Wyche Fowler, who is board chairman of the Middle East Institute, about dress codes for American women when they venture off U.S. territory in the desert kingdom, the Clinton appointee breezily responded: "They wear what my mother and sister always wore on Wednesday and Friday night. They wear what amounts to a choir robe."

Unfortunately, the issue transcends the odd euphemism. There are a reported 92 children with U.S. passports living in Saudi Arabia against their will, according to House hearings on the subject in June, and the grieving American mothers blame the State Department and the U.S. embassy for not wanting to ruffle Saudi feathers to get the youngsters back.

"I hold Wyche Fowler responsible for both of my daughters being married," Pat Roush, whose children were kidnapped by her estranged Saudi former husband 16 years ago at ages 7 and 3, respectively, told MSNBC's Chris Matthews on June 11. Fowler, Roush said, showed no interest in completing a complicated deal worked out by his predecessor to return her girls.

She reiterated her accusations the following day in a sworn statement before a Congressional committee. "He dismissed me like an impertinent schoolgirl who was way out of line by even speaking to him," she said. "Wyche Fowler was in Saudi Arabia for six years. He lobbied hard for that job and made a lot of money. He is now the grand statesman about town -- the Mideast expert and chairman of the board of the Mid East Institute. He gives speeches, goes to dinner parties and I am sure has many Saudi friends. He appears on television as an expert on Saudi Arabia.... He should be held responsible for what he did to my family. He is a criminal."

To say the United States has an unusual relationship with Saudi Arabia is a pretty radical understatement. The country, as most of us have learned by now, has a quarter of the world's known oil reserves and three-quarters of the world's known Sept. 11 hijackers. Its homegrown Wahhabist Islam can be found in the soil anywhere al-Qaeda grows, yet the House of Saud lives in fear of Osama bin Laden. Even though Saudi Arabia has only 23 million people, the United States operates two regional consulates there, more than it maintains in much larger countries such as Indonesia (population 228 million), Bangladesh (131 million), Nigeria (127 million), Egypt (70 million), Spain (40 million) and more than a dozen others. Riyadh has conducted literally hundreds of billions of dollars worth of business with the United States, especially in sectors well known to the Bush administration and family: oil, construction and defence.

All of which may help explain why the administration goes into spasms whenever pressed on its Saudi policies. When Congressman Dan Burton made repeated inquiries into the State Department's Visa Express program, which allowed three of the 19 hijackers to enter the country without so much as an embassy interview, bureaucrats wrote e-mails calling him a "neo-Nazi." Reporter Joel Mowbray of the right-leaning National Review magazine, whose aggressive reporting on the Visa Express system led to its recent suspension, was physically detained after a State Department press conference in which he admitted possessing mildly confidential embassy correspondence.

But the most obnoxious recent response may well have come from the new ambassador to Saudi Arabia: Robert Jordan, a Texas lawyer who has represented the Bush family in Middle Eastern oil deals. On the same day (June 25) that Dubya unveiled his Mideast peace plan calling for sweeping democratic reforms of the Palestinian Authority (the likes of which have never been contemplated in Riyadh), Jordan penned a condescending op-ed in the Dallas Morning News admonishing Americans for criticizing the House of Saud so harshly. "If we strike out blindly against perceived enemies and undermine the ability of our friends to work with us against the scourge of global terrorism, we will have a lot to answer for," Jordan warned. "Do we agree with the Saudis on every issue? No, of course not. If that were the criterion for friendship with the United States, we wouldn't have a friend in the world."

Whatever real U.S.-Saudi diplomacy there is, is being conducted off-camera. Bush, Robert Jordan and the flock of former ambassadors seem to prefer it that way. But quietly looking the other way in the name of realpolitik while a "friend" oppresses its own people has its drawbacks, particularly when Saudi Arabia is guilty of many of the sins being pinned on such unfriendlies as Iraq, Taliban-era Afghanistan and Iran. The diplomatic status quo, whereby business is conducted in secret and scrutiny is shot down or punished, has sheltered a corrupt monarchy ruling an explosive country that exports the raw theological material for anti-U.S. Islamic terrorism.

Meanwhile, the Saudi-friendly elites in the United States continue to dine with the princes and mimic their arrogance. "I wish the Americans would see Arabs and Muslims the way I see them," Neil Bush, George's brother, said during a January junket in Jeddah. "But Arabs are losing the public relations battle in the United States."
Ambassador Jordan, meanwhile, has been spending his time doing such things as bashing his home country's media, insisting the "moderate" House of Saud is a "friend," and launching initiatives to boost Saudi tourism to the United States.
Sounds as if he is auditioning for his next job.
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"...and Winston loved Big Brother."

Getting away from the koran-toilet connection (via word association?) and to the topic at hand, the problem with Iraq is the oil. Without it, the factions in that Islamic paradise would be left to fend for themselves, as Muslim on Muslim warfare is left to do in other places. As Hugh Fitzgerald holds, tying to bring the gift of democracy to the benighted is a thankless and fruitless effort.

Tameem, what a stupid post. You showed your ass with that one. You are as malevolent as your brothers whose brains are baking under the MidEast sun. What's your excuse? Got all liquored up last night?

Tameem, you need help! Perhaps D.C. Watson can give you the treatment you need....

Tameem, what a stupid post. You showed your ass with that one. You are as malevolent as your brothers whose brains are baking under the MidEast sun. What's your excuse? Got all liquored up last night?

Posted by: dennisw

Tameem is suffering - from the hatred within.

Tameem is consumed with it - and under those conditions - life is not worth liveing.

No wonder so many of them don't mind dying

Tameem says: Ive never met a man i feared, and Ive faced death many times and never hesitated. So you little mouthy, cowardly pissants certainly dont phase me. You wouldnt make a pimple on a badmans ass where i come from."

Oh man, what a "peace loving hero". Tameen can I have you autograph?

So you served in the US military - big deal! So too did the wanker "US" soldier who threw genades at his infidel "brothers". So Tameen what was it like serving in a military for a country that was founded on CHRISTIAN principles?

You wouldn't happen to be Anthony 'The Man' Mundine's bum chum would you? He carries on like you to - he's also another peace loving Muslim.

Christians in Jewish Sumeria and Judea? (aka "Palestine") Yes Tameen their once were a lot of them, until your Muslim "brothers" started to "defend" Islam.

Thanks for your rant Tameen. You have shown the character of a true muslim. That is:-

If somebody says something you don't like - KILL THEM in the name of "defending" Islam. Well done Tameen. You are like your prophet - Mohammed (MAY PIGS PISS BE UPON HIM)

"we kick your ass, and we'll do it in the name of God" - Yes Tameen we see your peace loving traits comming out. No wonder their are so many dictatorships in Muslim countries - the majority of Muslims must have Tameen's attitude.

Keep posting Tameen - you show the world the true colours of Islam.

Maybe Tameen is in desparate need of a nine year old sex goddess so that he can make himself feel like a "real" man - just like Mohammed (may pigs piss be upon him) did!

Tamemm, I may be a prospect. Tell my why you think Paul taught a blood cult? I'll be back soon to see if you respond. Or, try me at

Horpeide@yahoo.com

Tamemm, I may be a prospect. Tell my why you think Paul taught a blood cult? I'll be back soon to see if you respond. Or, try me at

Horpeide@yahoo.com

Actually Tameen many of us to speak up publicly against Islam - I do and so do others I know do. Some of you "peace lovers" spread your peace by throwing us death threats - and carrying them through.

Why don't you be a man Tameen - the West is a place of Freedom of Speech (or used to be). That’s what helped make it great. You have shown by your above post that you are against that. That you will not tolerate that. Go live in your paradise - Saudi Arabia. You have shown that you are against the tenants of Free Speech. So get out of the West - be a 'man' put you money where your mouth is. Go live in your Islamic paradise.

"Actually, im a very happy person" Yea right we can all see that. What's that again? More insults? Do you really expect us to give you our names and addresses - just so you can kill us in the name of Islam and do who knows what to our families? Well done Tameen - you are the coward. Publish your name and address on the web for all to see. Be a 'real man' you little troll.

You have shown above that you have no love, no compassion - but as you are a follower of the moon god of Arabia - the god of war - what would one expect? (have a look at that crescent moon next time you kiss the ground at mosque)

"In an actual confrontation you'd hide under your bed til we dragged you out" - Tameen

Notice the word "we" - bullies always act with others - they are cowards.

Tameen - real men don't sleep with helpless nine year old girls. So why do you condone this horrible act, let alone follow the man who said it was OK?

Like Shukri and ia and brownwonder - you are one sick puppy - stuck in your cult.

Tameem...I just saw Iblis...he's looking for you...has a big stick in his hand and a mean look on his face...say's you got to get past him, to prove yourself before you attack any kufars...I have never seen Iblis that close up before...usully we just talk on the telephone...he's one big demon, Tameem...If I were you, I would lay low and stay out of sight untill he leaves...good luck...

Why would a western man be called Tameen? BTW, I hope you have a visitor soon, since you have threatened the posters here for stating their opinions. The rage you show is typical, irrational muslim behavior. The spirit you follow is the one who demands death, not Christianity.

"And as far as "beth", I take your a woman. i cannot offer the challenge to you, as Islam forbids a men to harm women in conflict.But then, most of the so-called "men" on this site are showing they are too gutless to claim any
masculine title."

Tell me again, who was Margaret Hassan?

Cowardly little worms. you are below contempt, not worthy to lick my boots.you have shown yourselves to be completely nonconsequential and as dangerous as a cotton ball.In an actual confrontation you'd hide under your bed til we dragged you out, and cry little bitches for mercy. May Allah save your sad souls.

What a horrible horrible jackass you are Tameem.

There is no allah, there is only monkeys with weapons.

Your hatred and the sickness of islam overrides a million years of evolution....dragging you back into the failed line of the Neanderthal.

Poor poor flatheads..huddling scared of the night and the beasts within it...no knowledge of fire to warm thier misrable hides...Then along come the cro-magnons (round heads) with thier sharpend sticks and the knowledge of fire to keep them warm and the night at bay....
Poor flatheads...exterminated to the last...

although seeing your latest rant i am inclined to belive that perhaps some of the flathead females were spared.

It is not nessasary to roid out at some blog to make yourself feel manly and effective.If you truly want to be manly and effective in this world go do volunteer work at a soup kitchen or join the peace corps.There is no shame without islam .but within islam there is only shame and dishonour untill the sweet release of death.

IE>The Messenger of Allah (SAWS) said: "Whoever dies without having fought in battle, nor having the sincere wish in his heart to fight in battle, dies on a branch of hypocrisy." [Sahih Al-Bukhari]

Be a real man... leave this twisting writhing evil manipulation of humans that is islam and THINK FOR YOUR SELF.
or is your head permanently flattend??

Tameen - You put the challenge out there - then claim you are a man - put your money where your mouth is - publish your name and address for all to see.

AND we see how the mighty jihadis fight, they hide in holes. They run away and hide in the mountains of Afghanistan. I have a friend who personally has bombed the living p#ss out of your tough-guy friends and introduced many to their "virgins". We see how brave they are, stapping bombs on retarded kids, to go among innocent people to explode. Don't tell us about how brave you are.

Thanks for spilling your guts here Taneem. You do us all a favor by displaying your "true Islam". Your posts are a fine insight into the perpetually agitated, enraged Muslim mind. You say what other Muslims finesse with taqiyya for stupid liberal Westerners.

Thanks once again. You have performed a public service.


Tameem

You talk like an emaciated and neutered eunuch. Muslim men, I have noticed these days, are more and more resembling eunuchs, and their rage against insults to Mohammed appear to me as the mad ramblings of impotent cavemen. Their attitudes are those of troglodytes, and you are a good example of that. Moronic, prehistoric, cultish, hysterical, idiotic. You are a fine example of the current condition of Islam. No wonder when your are neutered and castrated your manhood has to be affirmed by the hell you provide to your women: you have become that castrated impotent wimp who can only feel good by bullying the weak, the woman.

Now, let me just say, that I consider your Prophet Mohammed to have been a paedophiliac mass murdering psychopath, and in line with his example, you are doing a good job of emulating your fuhrer, sorry, I mean your Prophet, founder of the violent cult of blood and death you belong to.

I dont believe you are a strong man. I think like many many Muslim men living in the west you are a coward and a brute. The police and law courts will deal with such arrogant and stone age imbeciles who make threats of death and violence. Face it, terrorism is hard wired into your soul and your religion and your incomparably stupid Prophet, too.


we all know what "true" Islam is Taneem...you cant teach anyone here anything except that half of your words contradict the other half...you are not credible...Your credibility vanishes when your good works are buried under statements like "watch your back"...you give yourself away as a lout and a braggart as well as a dullard...plus you seem to have one foot on a bannana peel and the other in violence. Perhaps you should clean up your own backyard before demanding that others clean theirs...

Would you like me to get you an orange jump suit? And I think I have a dull knife lying around here somewhere so that you could use it on Mr. Zico and all the rest of us who are a waste of God's oxygen.

BTW...you never did answer the gentleman's question about how Muslims treat their women now did you?

I know...can't defend the indefensible.

Tameem

You are truly cut from the maniacal violent cloth of your Prophet Mohammed. Islamic man is castrated, Daisy Cutters declare that he is no longer free to kill rape loot and maim in the name of Mohammed; the Hindu, Jew and American has him pinned down and has (metaphorically) castrated him. The sons of Mohammed, the pedrast who had sex with a nine year old girl, who slaughtered Jews and terrorised women, you are floundering like eunuchs, hemmed in by the infidels, the eternal idiotic juvenile thug of the modern world.

That is why, despite your three degrees, you are a base hooligan who threatens to smash people's teeth in, because you come from this death cult and have violence hard wired into your soul, bequeathed to you by the mad epileptic who was your 'Prophet'.

The comedy of your situation is that, eunuch that you are, castrated by the Americans, hindus and Jews, you hate this civilisation, but live in this society that you hate with all the rage that your Prophet teaches you. This is ultimately what puts you into the area of laughably contemptible hypocrite and fool of the highest kind.

Tameem: Again, for you and anyone else:

horpeide@yahoo.com


BTW, as, if you claim on one of your posts, that you are a veteran of the US military, I thank you for your service. I'm an American abroad; not English (which, I assume, is what you meant by calling me "limey"--apologies to any Brits out there. No offense taken. The War of 1812-15 is a pretty long time to nurture a grudge, especially since one group of our then-enemies is still up there on the other side of the Great Lakes).

Sorry you're so angry at me. I gave you my e-mail. If you're ever in Taichung, Taiwan, I know a place that serves halal Chinese food. My treat. Jiao Zi made with lamb or beef are indeed good. But, please tell me why you think Paul taught a "blood cult". That was my question. You did not back up your assertions with any quotes from Paul or anywhere else in the New Testament. I think I've posed it to you twice.

Also, the last time I bit into communion bread and wine, I most certainly remembered the sacrifice Christ paid for my sins, and was grateful for it; but it did taste of bread and wine.

On the other hand, on Id, in various Muslim quarters around the world, we do see sheep getting their throats slit. I've even wished people Id Mubarak, and they were very pleasant with me even though they knew I wasn't a Muslim. Not that I'm complaining, for I like mutton, too, and don't drink blood (Acts 15). Also, before Jesus paid the final and eternal sacrifice for the sins of his people (Mark 10:45; the whole book of Hebrews), God did indeed ordain that animal sacrifices should be made at Jerusalem, to show that our sins cost lives. Yet, the generation that saw Jesus also had members who saw the old altar destroyed in 70 AD.

However, I've never before seen a human or animal sacrificed in any church I've ever gone to. If I did, I doubt I'd remain in attendance.

You're the one whose response to me all but shrieked of violence, suggesting that I'm out to drive by your place and shoot out your windows, and threaten your children (God forbid!--and I'm not one to take Big Number Three lightly), and that you'll "stomp my ass". That shouldn't be too hard a job, for I'm middle-aged, not very athletic, and the few times I engaged in target shooting (I used to live in a rural area and had friends who hunted) I wasn't very good.

Again, for you and anyone else:

horpeide@yahoo.com

IA--appreciate your reasonable tone. However, we Christians don't need government encouragement or money to distance ourselves from the Aryan Nations or KKK.


Sounds to me like Tameems suffering from severe gastric hyperacidity and flatuous production...Thats Iblis doing that. Iblis is responsible for most of the overacidity suffered by muslims...he gets in the falafal. Muslims are noted for eye burning gaseous emmissions...
Tameem needs alluminum hydroxide gel mixed with holy water, and lots of it...that and sticking a wet finger into a light socket will drive Iblis out...Iblis is kind of stubborn, so you may need to stick your finger in a light socket more than once...must be tough to be demon possessed...Good luck Tameem

Tameem Wrote: Carolyn,its "Tameem" not Tameen, and obviously its not my birthname.My birthname is Christian, and I dropped it, though its meaning in greek, "Honoring God" was ok.

Timothy, nice to meet you.

The FBI says for Tameem to walk over to the living room window and wave.

People like you who promote evil against Gods people infuriate me.

Tameen

For all of the preaching that 'allah' does in NOT associating othre gods with him - he has taught his people well - in 'playing god' themselves.

God is the Life Giver - Therefore, Only God has the right to take it.

Why do you think God set aside a day called Judgment Day?

To judge the wicked.

It is a GRAVE sin to take the Judgment Seat of God before that time....

Because there is only ONE God - in heaven - who is RIGHTEOUS enough to sit in it.

The FBI says for Tameem to walk over to the living room window and wave.

Posted by: CGW

ROFL

Hey TaMEAN, read this about Aisha,

http://www.muslim-answers.org/aishah.htm

3rdtimelucky:

All kinds of quotes, including the great man Churchill at my blog:
http://muslimsandme.blogspot.com/

Havoc:

There may be something brewing when it comes to TP

BillR

I need for you to send me my username again.

I apologize for the inconvieniece.

I trusted it to memory - sheeeze.

I LOVE the 'Ask the imam' section!

Please e-mail me

Thanks

Never mind BillR

Got it

I can't thank you enough for this invitation

I really love the site!

It's very very very Good - and is desporately Needed! - to arm everyone in order to rise up to the call.

The leaders surely aren't!

"I spit on you, and may God curse you and bring you ruin"

More love from our friendly Muslim. Taneem, if you're ever in Australia, say so on JW and I'll arrange a meeting. You threaten people and then you are too chicken to show all where you live? Not to mention how stupid you are - putting yourself at risk when you have a family to feed.
No doubt if something did happen to you Taneem the taxpayer would foot the bill right? Allah will protect you right? Yea right! Just like Allah led the Arabs to victory over tiny little Israel –

As for 3 degrees? Really? Judging by your mastery of the English language, where did you get those degrees, the back of a Cornflakes packet? I can only speculate that you became a Muslim to help yourself through uni, as your posts here aren't all that intellectual. I'll sum them up for you:

"Wanna fight.....Fight Me!!!! I'm THE MAAAAAAN! I spit on you!!!!!"

Yep - you're very intellectual.

As for little Aisha, sorry Taneem, she was 9, and your pedophile prophet had sex with her. You can't pick and chose which parts of Mohammed’s (may pigs piss be upon him) life you want to follow. Take it all, "MAN". In fact the learned clerics in Iran allow Child wives - as do many other Muslim clerics throughout the world. Are you with your 3 degrees more learned than these clerics who, unlike you, are totally immersed in the Islamic way?

"You are lower than pond scum to me, and barely even human in my eyes" -

While you're on the subject of Muslim love Taneem, please quote the passages in the Koran where Allah commands us to love one another?

"In an actual confrontation you'd hide under your bed til we dragged you out'

Sorry Taneem, bit of a Freudian slip hey? You used the word "we". Why? Because like most Muslims when you kill or bash you do it in company. You are bullies. I know some of my friends have been abused by types like you – in very cowardly ways. And if you didn't mean to use the word "we" - well your the one with 3 degrees right?

No Taneem - you come here preaching violence. Keep posting, it shows what you Muslims are all about. HATE

As for tolerance - tell me Taneem - where are all the persecutions to the same degree of Muslims in the West, as infidels in Muslim lands? Oh that’s right there are bugger all. Yep the West is really intolerant, that's why as a real "man" you chose to live in the West when your fellow Muslims live under tyranny. Oh what a man you are Taneem!

For someone with 3 degrees, you can't seem to hold your own intellectually. Your just like IA and Shukri - duck weave, hide. Except you really follow Mohammed, and throw a bit of violence in as well.

Taneem - do us all a favour, go over to one of the many "freedom fighter" schools in Pakistan or Iran, and teach via demonstration the students there how to be suicide bombers er martyrs. I'm sure they, and we, will appreciate your efforts.

Taneem
Robert Spencer should arrange for you to write once weekly here.He should make you a vice president of the JihadWatch board of directors. You are best teacher of Islam on the internet. You really set things right about Islam that I was wavering on before.

Dennis...
I doubt Robert wants Tameem hanging around the office. You just never know when Tameem is going to blow it, loose his cool, go over the edge. He's far to unstable for a job at JW. On top of that he's lousy at public relations...not veep material...

Respect the Koran, why? they never respect us or our religions, but we are all supposed to grovel to some hysterical, violent Islamo-savages in a rage over a lie! I want to have rolls of toilet paper made that have the whole Koran printed on it and give it out for free so we can all wipe our butts on their miserable hate book!

'You just never know when Tameem is going to blow it' ~Duh_swami

Duh_Swami, exploding vests are not in Mr. Spencer's dress code for the office.

"BUrn in Hellfire "

Peace to you to Taneem.

Taneem - you are a coward - you threaten people and then you don't even give your name? Scared are you? Won't Allah protect you? Only a fool goes to war on his enemies terms, do you really expect people to do that? You make the challenge – give us your full name and details.

Besides - if you were a real man - you'd use your brains, not your testosterone. Three degrees hey? Lets see you use some of that “intellect” for vigorous debate. Lets see the “peace” that Islam reckons it is. Or can’t you show us that? Is Islam all talk about peace and nothing more than war? Or don't you have the brains? Are your degrees real? From a reputable uni? It doesn't look like it.

You typify the men who first followed Mohammed - thugs and thieves, who rather than abandoning their wicked ways, Mohammed used them to expand his cult of death and misery. He really was a “profit” wasn’t he?

Keep posting Taneem - so that all can see what Islam really is. Nothing more than a religion of thugs, who chuck a tantrum if they don’t get their own way.

TaMean thinks because we didn't bother with him that we don't know anything... I still don't believe he is an American. His speech patterns are not American. (unless, when you revert you have to start talking like an arab)







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